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Wed 08/26/09


Total Messages Posted: 15



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     1. 03:05 AM - Re: Re: VGs (mksoucy@yahoo.com)
     2. 07:05 AM - Alaska CH701 NTSB Report (Tom P)
     3. 07:05 AM - MIC-switch Install (ricklach)
     4. 08:22 AM - Re: MIC-switch Install (MacDonald Doug)
     5. 09:47 AM - Re: Edge Forming Tool (Phil Owens)
     6. 09:54 AM - parting out Zenair 701 on amphibian floats (Ces701@aol.com)
     7. 10:24 AM - Re: parting out Zenair 701 on amphibian floats (John Marzulli)
     8. 12:05 PM - 701 Leg Room (Robert Schoenberger)
     9. 02:10 PM - Re: 701 Leg Room (fritz)
    10. 05:21 PM - Does anyone know if 701 training is available in Alberta? (ablebob)
    11. 06:20 PM - Re: 701 Leg Room (Larry)
    12. 06:34 PM - Re: 701 Leg Room (ProWash)
    13. 06:38 PM - Re: MIC-switch Install (BokKat)
    14. 06:52 PM - secondary fuel pump (ejessee)
    15. 08:14 PM - Re: secondary fuel pump (NYTerminat@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:05:00 AM PST US
    From: "mksoucy@yahoo.com" <mksoucy@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: VGs
    I do not consider a super cub wing a bad performer and I've seen vg's enhance takeoff sometimes a lot. Mike Sent from my iPod On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:54 AM, "d.shrader" <chilledj@yahoo.com> wrote: [quote="JohnDRead(at)aol.com"]I am familiar with vgs and how they work. The fact is that a slotted wing is the best way to get STOL characteristics. And I'll repeat vgs make a poor (or under performing) airfoil work better. They will not make a regular airfoil into a STOL airfoil. Find a copy of Abbot and Von Doenhoff, they explain slots very well. John Read I didnt see anything on vg's in Abbot and Von Doenhoff what pg. John dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259642#259642


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    Time: 07:05:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Alaska CH701 NTSB Report
    From: "Tom P" <tompizza@hotmail.com>
    http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 090715X15408&key=1 -------- Tom CH801 Dynon D180 Lycoming IO-360 From Teledyne Mattituck http://home.cogeco.ca/~tomp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259680#259680


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    Time: 07:05:59 AM PST US
    Subject: MIC-switch Install
    From: "ricklach" <rick@ravenaviation.us>
    Ive decided to install a permanent MIC switch in the control stick of my 701. After looking at the stick movement at the bottom Im not sure where or how would be the best way to route the wire out of the stick and under the seat to the instrument panel. The wire will be coming down the inside of the stick tube from the switch at the top and coming out somewhere. I was hoping someone with experience in this area can give me some valuable advice to save me some time and cut MIC wires. Thanks Rick -------- 701Driver N35 26.700, W118 16.743 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259683#259683


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    Time: 08:22:11 AM PST US
    From: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: MIC-switch Install
    The way I installed mine was to drill about a 1/4" hole in the control stick between the gussets for the pivot point. I ran my wires out there and into the horizontal tube that carries the rotation back to the flapperons. An inch or two back from the seat front, I drilled another hole in the horizontal tube and exited the wires there. Another hole in the side of the tunnel and routed the wires up to my intercom via the right side of the cockpit. All of these holes had grommets installed to prevent wire damage an I allowed a decent service loop to prevent binding. Keep in mind that I am still only building at this point and have not flown with my installation but I have played with it extensively and found no binding or chafing on the wires. Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada Final Assembly > posted by: "ricklach" <rick@ravenaviation.us> > > Ive decided to install a permanent MIC switch in > the control stick of my 701. After looking at the stick > movement at the bottom Im not sure where or how > would be the best way to route the wire out of the stick and > under the seat to the instrument panel. The wire will be > coming down the inside of the stick tube from the switch at > the top and coming out somewhere. I was hoping someone with > experience in this area can give me some valuable advice to > save me some time and cut MIC wires. > > Thanks > > Rick > > -------- > 701Driver > N35 26.700, W118 16.743 __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now


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    Time: 09:47:20 AM PST US
    From: "Phil Owens" <powens@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: Edge Forming Tool


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    Time: 09:54:42 AM PST US
    From: Ces701@aol.com
    Subject: parting out Zenair 701 on amphibian floats
    Hello Listers I have decided to part out my Zenair 701 on amphibian floats. I will consider offers for any of the major components e.g.: wings, floats, etc.or will sell it in its entirety but without the engine. The engine is a Rotax 618, two cycle, which I will sell separately. The engine and airframe have close to 300 hours and have always been hangered. I am located on Leesburg airport in central Florida. Anyone interested please contact me off list for additional information and pictures. I must act soon. Charlie S _ces701@aol.com_ (mailto:ces701@aol.com) 352-360-0293 do not archive


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    Time: 10:24:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: parting out Zenair 701 on amphibian floats
    From: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
    Why are you parting it out? Thanks, John Marzulli http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/ http://MarzulliPhoto.net/ http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:45 AM, <Ces701@aol.com> wrote: > Hello Listers > > I have decided to part out my Zenair 701 on amphibian floats. I will > consider > offers for any of the major components e.g.: wings, floats, etc.or will > sell > it in its entirety but without the engine. The engine is a Rotax 618, two > cycle, > which I will sell separately. The engine and airframe have close to 300 > hours and > have always been hangered. > I am located on Leesburg airport in central Florida. > Anyone interested please contact me off list for additional information and > pictures. > I must act soon. > > Charlie S > ces701@aol.com > 352-360-0293 > > do not archive > > ------------------------------ > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 12:05:02 PM PST US
    From: Robert Schoenberger <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: 701 Leg Room
    I have a friend who is interested in building a 701. He recently found a completed plane in which he could sit to see how his frame fits. He is 6' - 1" but has very long legs in relation to his torso. When he sat in the plane and put his feet on the pedals, he said the top of his knees were above the top of the Y yoke. This hindered him from moving the yoke to either side. I'd like some suggestions on how others have overcome this problem or must he look at alternate planes? Thanks for your help. Robert Schoenberger 701 60%


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    Time: 02:10:19 PM PST US
    From: "fritz" <klondike@megalink.net>
    Subject: Re: 701 Leg Room
    on the older 701's there was a " most forward or most back" position for installing the rudder pedals. Maybe the plane he sat in had the "most forward" position when built. Fritz-------do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:04 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Leg Room > <hrs1@frontiernet.net> > > I have a friend who is interested in building a 701. He recently found a > completed plane in which he could sit to see how his frame fits. He is > 6' - 1" but has very long legs in relation to his torso. When he sat in > the plane and put his feet on the pedals, he said the top of his knees > were above the top of the Y yoke. This hindered him from moving the yoke > to either side. I'd like some suggestions on how others have overcome > this problem or must he look at alternate planes? Thanks for your help. > Robert Schoenberger 701 60% > > >


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    Time: 05:21:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Does anyone know if 701 training is available in Alberta?
    From: "ablebob" <rastacey@nl.rogers.com>
    Hello all. I am plans building a 701 in Newfoundland Canada. The nearest 701 is over 300 miles from home which is why I have never seen, much less flown in a 701! I will be flying to Calgary next month for a couple of weeks and was wondering if anyone knows where to get some training on a 701, within a reasonable distance of Calgary Alberta ? Thanks. :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259837#259837


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    Time: 06:20:00 PM PST US
    From: Larry <lrm@skyhawg.com>
    Subject: Re: 701 Leg Room
    Had the same problem, I'm 6'1". I moved my instrument panel two inches forward. I also mounted my petals as far forward as possible. My son-in-law is 6'4" and has no problems. Larry N1345L Robert Schoenberger wrote: > <hrs1@frontiernet.net> > > I have a friend who is interested in building a 701. He recently found > a completed plane in which he could sit to see how his frame fits. He > is 6' - 1" but has very long legs in relation to his torso. When he sat > in the plane and put his feet on the pedals, he said the top of his > knees were above the top of the Y yoke. This hindered him from moving > the yoke to either side. I'd like some suggestions on how others have > overcome this problem or must he look at alternate planes? Thanks for > your help. Robert Schoenberger 701 60% > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >


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    Time: 06:34:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 701 Leg Room
    From: "ProWash" <rcraigcraig@yahoo.com>
    I'm also 6'1". I built my 701 from a new kit. I moved the rudder pedals about an inch and a half forward Everything else is according to plans. I feel comfortable in it R Craig -------- R Craig North Central Arkansas 701 SP Nearly Done Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259859#259859


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    Time: 06:38:07 PM PST US
    From: "BokKat" <bobkat@btinet.net>
    Subject: Re: MIC-switch Install
    I did mine with a hole near the bottom of the yoke and a grommet, of course. I ran the PTT wires from each side and the 4 wires from the electric trim switch out the same hole, then exited the whole bunch of wires out the tunnel. I put some protector of some kind on the wires between the stick and the tunnel wall, and while I protected them with grommets and the wrap around stuff, if I remember correctly I gooped them all down liberally with some kind of silicone seal/glue. After I made sure my wiring was OK, that is..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "MacDonald Doug" <dougsnash@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: MIC-switch Install > <dougsnash@yahoo.com> > > The way I installed mine was to drill about a 1/4" hole in the control > stick between the gussets for the pivot point. I ran my wires out there > and into the horizontal tube that carries the rotation back to the > flapperons. An inch or two back from the seat front, I drilled another > hole in the horizontal tube and exited the wires there. Another hole in > the side of the tunnel and routed the wires up to my intercom via the > right side of the cockpit. All of these holes had grommets installed to > prevent wire damage an I allowed a decent service loop to prevent binding. > > Keep in mind that I am still only building at this point and have not > flown with my installation but I have played with it extensively and found > no binding or chafing on the wires. > > Doug MacDonald > CH-701 Scratch Builder > NW Ontario, Canada > Final Assembly > > >> posted by: "ricklach" <rick@ravenaviation.us> >> >> Ive decided to install a permanent MIC switch in >> the control stick of my 701. After looking at the stick >> movement at the bottom Im not sure where or how >> would be the best way to route the wire out of the stick and >> under the seat to the instrument panel. The wire will be >> coming down the inside of the stick tube from the switch at >> the top and coming out somewhere. I was hoping someone with >> experience in this area can give me some valuable advice to >> save me some time and cut MIC wires. >> >> Thanks >> >> Rick >> >> -------- >> 701Driver >> N35 26.700, W118 16.743 > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your > favourite sites. Download it now > > >


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    Time: 06:52:26 PM PST US
    Subject: secondary fuel pump
    From: "ejessee" <eejessee@us.ibm.com>
    I have a 912 UL engine with only the engine fuel pump. I know that many 912's in other planes have electric pumps for cold-start and for obvious safety reasons. Has anyone put an electric secondary fuel pump on a 912 in a 701. I am not sure how to plump it. As the engine pump uses suction, is it OK to pressurize the inlet side of that pump with a secondary pump. This would eliminate the need for a second fuel filter. I can also see away to plumb the secondary pump around the engine pump with check valves and a few tees. That very quickly becomes very complicated. I know that a secondary pump isn't on most 701's. Seems like a good idea to me though. thanks. -------- Ernest Jessee N4931M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259866#259866


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    Time: 08:14:12 PM PST US
    From: NYTerminat@aol.com
    Subject: Re: secondary fuel pump
    Ernest, I have mine right after the gasolator in series with the mechanical pump. Some will argue to put it in parallel, I suppose both works. If I was to do it over I would install a return line shown in the Rotax manual to help prevent any vapor lock. Bob Spudis N701ZX 912ULS/ 180Hrs In a message dated 8/26/2009 9:52:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eejessee@us.ibm.com writes: I have a 912 UL engine with only the engine fuel pump. I know that many 912's in other planes have electric pumps for cold-start and for obvious safety reasons. Has anyone put an electric secondary fuel pump on a 912 in a 701. I am not sure how to plump it. As the engine pump uses suction, is it OK to pressurize the inlet side of that pump with a secondary pump. This would eliminate the need for a second fuel filter. I can also see away to plumb the secondary pump around the engine pump with check valves and a few tees. That very quickly becomes very complicated. I know that a secondary pump isn't on most 701's. Seems like a good idea to me though. thanks. -------- Ernest Jessee




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