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1. 04:31 AM - Re: O200 powered 701's ??? (kmccune)
2. 07:13 AM - What's up with Zenith's prices? (Jay Parker)
3. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: A not-so-busy fternoon (Keith Ashcraft)
4. 10:48 AM - Re: Home built hanger door (George Race)
5. 06:18 PM - Re: Home built hanger door (kmccune)
6. 06:26 PM - Re: O200 powered 701's ??? (jetboy)
7. 07:24 PM - Re: What's up with Zenith's prices? (Larry)
8. 08:03 PM - Re: What's up with Zenith's prices? (Craig Payne)
9. 10:32 PM - Re: Re: A not-so-busy fternoon (JohnDRead@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: O200 powered 701's ??? |
Had me going there I had to look it up... thought you were saying that the C-85
was hand prop only. I get about 195 lbs for the -8 model.
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| Subject: | What's up with Zenith's prices? |
Can someone tell me why the fuel tanks for the 750 is at $995 and the 801's
price is $1,475.00.- These are both 15-gallon tanks and even if the sl
ope of the tank is different to fit the contour of the different plane's wi
ng I would think you could still make the 750s tank fit in the larger 801's
wing..- The same goes for their extended range fuel tanks, where the 750
's tanks are $490 and the 801's are at a whopping $1085.- I don't get it,
they're all 15 gallons tanks, why the discrepancy?--And I'm sure the h
osing is not vastly different in linear feet to warrant the huge cost-dif
ference.- The streamline wing struts are free in the 750 and cost $280 fo
r the 801. The-VGs are much cheaper at $95.50 compared to the 801's VGs a
t $148.00.- How much longer-could the horizontal tail section be, maybe
2 or 4 extra VGs to outfit a 801?- That's pretty expensive for a couple
pieces of bent aluminum.- I think Zenith needs to adjust their prices for
the
801 to match common features for the new 750.
-
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: A not-so-busy fternoon |
Hey Tommy,
I think that 80hp is OK, but since most of my flying will be at 10,500' and above,
an 80 horse engine will perform like a 50hp engine, which really stinks.
I have had a hard time finding anybody who will post some performance numbers for
high altitude flying. There is a guy up in the Denver area that has a 701 with
a 914, that I would like to go see this Winter.
Personal note: I should be down your way again around the last week of Oct and
first week of Nov. I might stop by again if you wouldn't mind!!!
Keith
(still trying to buck rivet the cabin sides)
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From: Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:29:58 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: A not-so-busy fternoon
Zed,
I agree. I think the 912ULS is too much engine for the 701. I guess you can't
really have too much power, but with the 100hp Rotax, it seems that way.
It seems to me the 912ULS just hurls the 701 into the air.
I think, and if I were going to fly a 701 forever, I would try to put a 912UL in
it. Both for fuel economy (regular gas) and smoother engine.
But the 912ULS will certainly get you in the sky in a hurry.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
N8701T Getting ready to put the wings on.
Do Not Archive anything I write
"When Chris Heintz designed the 701 he put a two-stroke 60HP up front. There was
mention some years ago of one flying with 40 horses up front. Obviously neither
of these engines pose any danger to existing speed records.
The 80HP Rotax 912 does a great job. Then Rotax kicked that up to 100HP. Somebody
put in on the 701."
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N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | Home built hanger door |
Hi Kevin:
I have that door. In fact the link:
http://www.cool-airinc.com/photo/isinstall/ is of my install of the door.
Somewhere on Dave's site are additional pictures of the completed install.
I love it, it really work easily, only takes about 6 inches off of each
sidewall. I built a 30 X 40 hanger and was able to have about 9 inches of
clearance at each wing tip with my Zenith 701. Snug fit but hauling it in
on the centerline was just never a problem. Dave sells the "frame" kit with
all the mounting hardware, you supply the sheet metal to match the outside
of your hangar. There are a lot more pictures on my web site showing my
hangar being built and the door being installed. Here is a link to the
hangar page: http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyHanger/index.htm Please take a
look when you have the opportunity.
Just to make it clear, I have no business connection with Cool-Airinc, but
am a very satisfied customer. Always find time to visit with Dave at
Oshkosh each year. Just another fellow pilot!
All the best,
George
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[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kmccune
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 9:01 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Home built hanger door
Hey I think I may have found the home built hanger door for me.
I didn't want to get into the big swing up types and I also didn't (OK Amy )
didn't want wings on the side for regular sliding door 30 foot opening. And
snow in the winter pretty much says no swinging 15 foot sections. But here
is a cool internal sliding door. And the install manual pretty much shows
you how to home build it! Of course you should at least check the price
first!
http://www.cool-airinc.com/index_files/Page690.htm
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Home built hanger door |
Thanks for the info, the one thing I'm a little fuzzy about is the door section
closest to the wall. Does it pivot towards the wall from the corner and then
the rest slide past it on the track?
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: O200 powered 701's ??? |
you're right kevin I should have checked more closely. But turning to page 16 of
the manual you see that the -8 engines have no provision to fit a starter or
generator and cannot be retrofitted either.
The choice is a C85-8F at 159lbs with no electrical systems, or C-85-12F (169lbs)
/ O-200 (170lbs) plus 26lbs of starter and generator, by the time everything
else including oil is put in the installed weight is over 220lbs.
Because I don't wish to expose myself to hand starting I would choose the heavier
option regardless, but my 701 is of the heavier empty weight version and without
any extra wing it is on its practical flying and handling limits with just
the 2200a engine, when I operate 2 up and full fuel.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: What's up with Zenith's prices? |
You're asking the wrong people, ask Zenith and then tell us. I for one
would be interested. Thanks for bringing it up. Larry, N1345L
Jay Parker wrote:
> Can someone tell me why the fuel tanks for the 750 is at $995 and the 801's price
is $1,475.00. These are both 15 gallon tanks and even if the slope of the
tank is different to fit the contour of the different plane's wing I would think
you could still make the 750s tank fit in the larger 801's wing.. The same
goes for their extended range fuel tanks, where the 750's tanks are $490 and
the 801's are at a whopping $1085. I don't get it, they're all 15 gallons tanks,
why the discrepancy? And I'm sure the hosing is not vastly different in
linear feet to warrant the huge cost difference. The streamline wing struts
are free in the 750 and cost $280 for the 801. The VGs are much cheaper at $95.50
compared to the 801's VGs at $148.00. How much longer could the horizontal
tail section be, maybe 2 or 4 extra VGs to outfit a 801? That's pretty expensive
for a couple pieces of bent aluminum. I think Zenith needs to adjust their
prices for the
> 801 to match common features for the new 750.
>
> Jay
>
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| Subject: | What's up with Zenith's prices? |
Aren't the 801 parts made in Canada and the US parts made in Mexico, MO? An
then there is the difference in volume.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: What's up with Zenith's prices?
You're asking the wrong people, ask Zenith and then tell us. I for one
would be interested. Thanks for bringing it up. Larry, N1345L
Jay Parker wrote:
> Can someone tell me why the fuel tanks for the 750 is at $995 and the
801's price is $1,475.00. These are both 15 gallon tanks and even if the
slope of the tank is different to fit the contour of the different plane's
wing I would think you could still make the 750s tank fit in the larger
801's wing.. The same goes for their extended range fuel tanks, where the
750's tanks are $490 and the 801's are at a whopping $1085. I don't get it,
they're all 15 gallons tanks, why the discrepancy? And I'm sure the hosing
is not vastly different in linear feet to warrant the huge cost difference.
The streamline wing struts are free in the 750 and cost $280 for the 801.
The VGs are much cheaper at $95.50 compared to the 801's VGs at $148.00.
How much longer could the horizontal tail section be, maybe 2 or 4 extra VGs
to outfit a 801? That's pretty expensive for a couple pieces of bent
aluminum. I think Zenith needs to adjust their prices for the
> 801 to match common features for the new 750.
>
> Jay
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: A not-so-busy fternoon |
Hi Keith;
There are a couple of us that are planning to fly 701's at
high altitude in Colorado. I am at 7200 feet and the other guys is at around
8500 feet elevation. We are each using Jabiru 3300 engines. The 3300 is
rated at 120 peak HP at sea level, 100 continuous at our elevations we will be
lucky to see about 80% of the sea level power, further our props will not
have the bite they would at sea level. We are still limited to the max RPM
at take off so we cannot up the revs to compensate.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 10/2/2009 8:30:12 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
ch701builder@yahoo.com writes:
Hey Tommy,
I think that 80hp is OK, but since most of my flying will be at 10,500'
and above, an 80 horse engine will perform like a 50hp engine, which really
stinks.
I have had a hard time finding anybody who will post some performance
numbers for high altitude flying. There is a guy up in the Denver area that has
a 701 with a 914, that I would like to go see this Winter.
Personal note: I should be down your way again around the last week of Oct
and first week of Nov. I might stop by again if you wouldn't mind!!!
Keith
(still trying to buck rivet the cabin sides)
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From: Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:29:58 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: A not-so-busy fternoon
--> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker"
<_twalker@cableone.net_ (mailto:twalker@cableone.net) >
Zed,
I agree. I think the 912ULS is too much engine for the 701. I guess you
can't really have too much power, but with the 100hp Rotax, it seems that
way.
It seems to me the 912ULS just hurls the 701 into the air.
I think, and if I were going to fly a 701 forever, I would try to put a
912UL in it. Both for fuel economy (regular gas) and smoother engine.
But the 912ULS will certainly get you in the sky in a hurry.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
N8701T Getting ready to put the wings on.
Do Not Archive anything I write
"When Chris Heintz designed the 701 he put a two-stroke 60HP up front.
There was mention some years ago of one flying with 40 horses up front.
Obviously neither of these engines pose any
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