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1. 03:41 AM - Re: What's up with Zenith's prices? (Jay Parker)
2. 06:42 AM - Re: A not-so-busy fternoonA not-so-busy fternoon (Tommy Walker)
3. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: A not-so-busy fternoon (Keith Ashcraft)
4. 08:44 AM - Re: What's up with Zenith's prices? (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | What's up with Zenith's prices? |
Craig are you saying those prices are in Canadian dollars?- If so, that w
ould make the cost comparable and what I would expect in US dollars.- And
I just found out yesterday that the 801 ARE just made in Canada....didn't
know that fact until I asked-Zenith about the 8 inch wheels that is-off
ered as an option for the 750..
Jay
--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: What's up with Zenith's prices?
com>
Aren't the 801 parts made in Canada and the US parts made in Mexico, MO? An
then there is the difference in volume.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: What's up with Zenith's prices?
You're asking the wrong people, ask Zenith and then tell us.- I for one
would be interested.- Thanks for bringing it up.- Larry, N1345L
Jay Parker wrote:
> Can someone tell me why the fuel tanks for the 750 is at $995 and the
801's price is $1,475.00.- These are both 15 gallon tanks and even if the
slope of the tank is different to fit the contour of the different plane's
wing I would think you could still make the 750s tank fit in the larger
801's wing..- The same goes for their extended range fuel tanks, where th
e
750's tanks are $490 and the 801's are at a whopping $1085.- I don't get
it,
they're all 15 gallons tanks, why the discrepancy?- And I'm sure the hosi
ng
is not vastly different in linear feet to warrant the huge cost difference.
The streamline wing struts are free in the 750 and cost $280 for the 801.
The VGs are much cheaper at $95.50 compared to the 801's VGs at $148.00.
How much longer could the horizontal tail section be, maybe 2 or 4 extra VG
s
to outfit a 801?- That's pretty expensive for a couple pieces of bent
aluminum.- I think Zenith needs to adjust their prices for the
>- 801 to match common features for the new 750.
>-
> Jay
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| Subject: | Re: A not-so-busy fternoonA not-so-busy fternoon |
Keith,
I should be just about finished with the plane and doing taxi tests by then.
Hopefully I'll be ready for the inspection.
Come on down!
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Do Not Archive
Personal note: I should be down your way again around the last week of Oct
and
first week of Nov. I might stop by again if you wouldn't mind!!!
Keith
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| Subject: | Re: A not-so-busy fternoon |
HI John,
I still haven't made it out to your place yet, but I am wanting to.
Also, I guess a way to work with the RPM issue would be to use a variable pitch
prop like airmaster or IVO. Also, do you know how the cooling issues are coming
along with the 3300?
Is the other guy you are talking about, Stan, up North around the Denver area?
Keith
Divide CO
N 38.9940
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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From: "JohnDRead@aol.com" <JohnDRead@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2009 11:18:56 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: A not-so-busy fternoon
Hi Keith;
There
are a couple of us that are planning to fly 701's at high altitude in
Colorado. I am at 7200 feet and the other guys is at around 8500 feet elevation.
We are each using Jabiru 3300 engines. The 3300 is rated at 120 peak HP at sea
level, 100 continuous at our elevations we will be lucky to see about 80%
of the sea level power, further our props will not have the bite they would at
sea level. We are still limited to the max RPM at take off so we cannot up the
revs to compensate.
John
Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax:
303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 10/2/2009 8:30:12 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
ch701builder@yahoo.com writes:
Hey Tommy,
>I think that 80hp is OK, but since most of my flying will
> be at 10,500' and above, an 80 horse engine will perform like a 50hp engine,
> which really stinks.
>
>I have had a hard time finding anybody who will
> post some performance numbers for high altitude flying. There is a guy up in
> the Denver area that has a 701 with a 914, that I would like to go see this
> Winter.
>
>Personal note: I should be down your way again around the last
> week of Oct and first week of Nov. I might stop by again if you wouldn't
> mind!!!
>
>Keith
>(still trying to buck rivet the cabin
> sides)
>************************************************
>
>
________________________________
From: Tommy Walker
> <twalker@cableone.net>
>To: > zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:29:58
> PM
>Subject: > Zenith701801-List: Re: A not-so-busy fternoon
>
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> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
>
>Zed,
>
>I
> agree. I think the 912ULS is too much engine for the 701. I guess
> you can't really have too much power, but with the 100hp Rotax, it seems that
> way.
>
>It seems to me the 912ULS just hurls the 701 into the
> air.
>
>I think, and if I were going to fly a 701 forever, I would try to
> put a 912UL in it. Both for fuel economy (regular gas) and smoother
> engine.
>
>But the 912ULS will certainly get you in the sky in a
> hurry.
>
>Tommy Walker in Alabama
>N8701T Getting ready to put the
> wings on.
>Do Not Archive anything I write
>
>
>"When Chris Heintz
> designed the 701 he put a two-stroke 60HP up front. There was mention some
> years ago of one flying with 40 horses up front. Obviously neither of these
> engines pose any
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| Subject: | What's up with Zenith's prices? |
No, I am thinking they are US$ but production costs are higher in Canada.
Also the 801 production may be less automated. I know they have an NC
machine in MO but I don't know about CA.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay
Parker
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: What's up with Zenith's prices?
Craig are you saying those prices are in Canadian dollars? If so, that
would make the cost comparable and what I would expect in US dollars. And I
just found out yesterday that the 801 ARE just made in Canada....didn't know
that fact until I asked Zenith about the 8 inch wheels that is offered as an
option for the 750..
Jay
--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: What's up with Zenith's prices?
<craig@craigandjean.com
<http://us.mc592.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=craig@craigandjean.com> >
Aren't the 801 parts made in Canada and the US parts made in Mexico, MO? An
then there is the difference in volume.
-- Craig
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Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:15 PM
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Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: What's up with Zenith's prices?
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You're asking the wrong people, ask Zenith and then tell us. I for one
would be interested. Thanks for bringing it up. Larry, N1345L
Jay Parker wrote:
> Can someone tell me why the fuel tanks for the 750 is at $995 and the
801's price is $1,475.00. These are both 15 gallon tanks and even if the
slope of the tank is different to fit the contour of the different plane's
wing I would think you could still make the 750s tank fit in the larger
801's wing.. The same goes for their extended range fuel tanks, where the
750's tanks are $490 and the 801's are at a whopping $1085. I don't get it,
they're all 15 gallons tanks, why the discrepancy? And I'm sure the hosing
is not vastly different in linear feet to warrant the huge cost difference.
The streamline wing struts are free in the 750 and cost $280 for the 801.
The VGs are much cheaper at $95.50 compared to the 801's VGs at $148.00.
How much longer could the horizontal tail section be, maybe 2 or 4 extra VGs
to outfit a 801? That's pretty expensive for a couple pieces of bent
aluminum. I think Zenith needs to adjust their prices for the
> 801 to match common features for the new 750.
>
> Jay
>
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