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1. 05:15 AM - 701 DVD's SOLD ()
2. 08:18 AM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (Jon Croke)
3. 09:47 AM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (BokKat)
4. 11:27 AM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (David Mikesell)
5. 11:39 AM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (David Mikesell)
6. 12:11 PM - Home built Help and Jon Croke (David Mikesell)
7. 12:11 PM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (Randall Hebert)
8. 12:22 PM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (Jon Croke)
9. 12:43 PM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (Iberplanes IGL)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (David Mikesell)
11. 01:24 PM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (David Mikesell)
12. 01:26 PM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (fgantt@texaviation.com)
13. 01:30 PM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (BokKat)
14. 01:30 PM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (Robert D. Taylor)
15. 02:12 PM - Re: Home built Help and Jon Croke (n801bh@netzero.com)
16. 03:13 PM - Re: Home built Help and Jon Croke (joe motis)
17. 03:14 PM - Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale (kmccune)
18. 03:20 PM - Re: Home built Help and Jon Croke (Gordon)
19. 03:40 PM - Re: Home built Help and Jon Croke/......ok that is all ()
20. 04:22 PM - Re: Home built Help and Jon Croke/......ok that is all (Ken Ryan)
21. 04:43 PM - Re: Home built Help and Jon Croke (Jon Croke)
22. 05:48 PM - Re: Home built Help and Jon Croke (n801bh@netzero.com)
23. 06:05 PM - Re: Home built Help and Jon Croke (NYTerminat@aol.com)
24. 06:36 PM - Yep, ON TO BUILDING a CH750 ()
25. 06:41 PM - Re: Home built Help and Jon Croke/......ok that is all (Art Gibeaut)
26. 06:50 PM - Re: Yep, ON TO BUILDING a CH750 (Robert Pelland)
27. 07:06 PM - Re: Yep, ON TO BUILDING a CH750/ scratch building (fritz)
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Thanks for all the inquires, the DVD's have sold.
David M.
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale |
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my
Homebuilt Help DVD's. I have
It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but I
must state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs
will not be welcome to get technical support from me.
Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling" -
but this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks for
your support.
Jon
HomebuiltHELP
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale |
Yes, Jon put a lot of work into a product that has little volume to make
up with the trouble aqnd expense. His DVD's are tops and I just wish
I'd discovered them earlier in my project.
I suppose if a guy bought them for a project and never got working on
the project and never used them, I be OK with selling them or throwing
them into the deal for the next guy. But I doubt Jon even breaks even
on them. More of a "labor of love!"
But its a free country - not judging anyone here......
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Croke
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my
Homebuilt Help DVD's. I have
It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but I
must state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs
will not be welcome to get technical support from me.
Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling" -
but this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks
for your support.
Jon
HomebuiltHELP
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale |
Wow Jon, I did just buy the 750 DVD's from you because I am not building
the 701 that is why I am selling the 701 dvds. Your comments seem to be
just a bit on the rude, to very rude side. In the listing I even said "I
have decided not to build the 701" so since I am not going to use the
DVD's I got from you, they are new and cost me over $220 getting a
little back from unused DVD's is not a crime, and accusing me of putting
your "one man business" out of business for selling a unused set of
DVD's? Recycling? No way are they recycled since they are new and I am
not building the plane, so your comments are very rude and uncalled for.
It really upsets me since I also just purchased the 750 DVD's also...Oh
I get it you are saying since they are new and I am not going to use
them I should just throw them away?????? Again NO WAY Jon, calm down you
are making plenty of money off me and I have in no way taken anything
away from your business.
I believe a public and sincere apology is due from you.
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Croke
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my
Homebuilt Help DVD's. I have
It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but I
must state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs
will not be welcome to get technical support from me.
Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling" -
but this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks
for your support.
Jon
HomebuiltHELP
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale |
I am sorry but I just can not get over the anger from the blantent
statement by Jon Croke saying I am killing his business, that I am doing
something wrong. From his statement I should take my brand new unused
DVS's and crush them since I am not going to use them, heck with that
mentality I should have just set the $220 on fire instead of even
ordering the DVD's since I never built the plane.
How and any respectable businessman make such statements openly.
Telling customers and the public that the selling of a new and unused
item is moraly wrong and causing him to loose money. That statement is
beyond lunacy. I had alot of respect for Jon and his help to builders,
but if selling something unused and new is what he considers morally
corrupt and wrong??? My respect for his work is gone. I feel publicly
insulted by his accusation and his rude comments.
I suggest Jon that you switch to decaf, see a shrink and apologize for
your rude and uncalled for accusation.
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Croke
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my
Homebuilt Help DVD's. I have
It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but I
must state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs
will not be welcome to get technical support from me.
Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling" -
but this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks
for your support.
Jon
HomebuiltHELP
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| Subject: | Home built Help and Jon Croke |
Well Jon cancelled my order for the CH750 videos. Well that totally
ruins all respect for this guy. He is a real piece of work. I sell
something that I bought from him that is brand new and unused, he wants
me to just throw it away and waste the money that I worked to earn.
Since I sell the new unused videos and reply to his rude and uncalled
for comments he cancels my order. I must say he has a deep metal
problem.
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Croke
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my
Homebuilt Help DVD's. I have
It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but I
must state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs
will not be welcome to get technical support from me.
Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling" -
but this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks
for your support.
Jon
HomebuiltHELP
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| Subject: | Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale |
I agree David.
Not a very good salesmanship approach.
I lost a little respect for you also Jon
When my 701 is completed I assure you my DVDs will not collect dust on the
shelf.
Such is life Jon. Many buy used cars, not the new showroom models. This is
the American way.
Recouping a little on my investment and helping someone else is part of my
plan.
You told me once that you could not send me the template for my gear so I
bought it. It is sitting here until I finish my 701 but when I don't need
it I certainly will be passing it along.
Randall J Hebert
(Also a business owner)
701 plans building
N7701P Reserved
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Mikesell
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
I am sorry but I just can not get over the anger from the blantent statement
by Jon Croke saying I am killing his business, that I am doing something
wrong. From his statement I should take my brand new unused DVS's and crush
them since I am not going to use them, heck with that mentality I should
have just set the $220 on fire instead of even ordering the DVD's since I
never built the plane.
How and any respectable businessman make such statements openly.
Telling customers and the public that the selling of a new and unused item
is moraly wrong and causing him to loose money. That statement is beyond
lunacy. I had alot of respect for Jon and his help to builders, but if
selling something unused and new is what he considers morally corrupt and
wrong??? My respect for his work is gone. I feel publicly insulted by his
accusation and his rude comments.
I suggest Jon that you switch to decaf, see a shrink and apologize for your
rude and uncalled for accusation.
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Croke <mailto:Jon@joncroke.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my Homebuilt
Help DVD's. I have
It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but I must
state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs will not be
welcome to get technical support from me.
Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling" - but
this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks for your
support.
Jon
HomebuiltHELP
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale |
Wow, sorry I got you so upset, Dave!
I never said there was anything "morally" wrong with reselling. How did
you come to that conclusion?
And I never used your name in my post.
I simply said (and will say it again!) that
1) I cannot provide tech support for buyers/sellers that dont purchase
from me (isn't that fair?)
2) This type of activity will/can put me out of business -- that is a
judgement on my part and not some accusation of morally bad behavior on
your part.
I said that business is business and that means that no one should feel
sorry for me or my good/bad judgements. I was pointing out that while
it is OK to buy/resell - both legally and morally - the consequences for
this are stated above. Some bad for me, some for others.
It is a pitch on my part to get more people to buy new vs resold - you
are free to choose. I appreciate all that use these videos!
BTW, I see from my records that it was 2 years ago that you bought that
"new/unused" 701 set.... hmm...
I apologize for upsetting you with my point of view, it was not my
intention, sorry... but I kinda stand by my original points made above.
Jon (a big Ebay buyer/reseller myself!)
----- Original Message -----
From: David Mikesell
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
I am sorry but I just can not get over the anger from the blantent
statement by Jon Croke saying I am killing his business, that I am doing
something wrong. From his statement I should take my brand new unused
DVS's and crush them since I am not going to use them, heck with that
mentality I should have just set the $220 on fire instead of even
ordering the DVD's since I never built the plane.
How and any respectable businessman make such statements openly.
Telling customers and the public that the selling of a new and unused
item is moraly wrong and causing him to loose money. That statement is
beyond lunacy. I had alot of respect for Jon and his help to builders,
but if selling something unused and new is what he considers morally
corrupt and wrong??? My respect for his work is gone. I feel publicly
insulted by his accusation and his rude comments.
I suggest Jon that you switch to decaf, see a shrink and apologize for
your rude and uncalled for accusation.
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Croke
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my
Homebuilt Help DVD's. I have
It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but
I must state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs
will not be welcome to get technical support from me.
Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling"
- but this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks
for your support.
Jon
HomebuiltHELP
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale |
Hi guys,
This is not my call but I=B4d love to share my experience with you. I=B4m a
n IT
Systems Analyst, I work in close relation with Cisco Systems and Microsoft,
both as an instructor. I=B4ve spent 1500 this yeat on trainning DVDs
only
for Cisco and 2100 for Microsoft. Both companies on their contracts
clearly say that i=B4m not allow to sell/re-sell or even lend those DVD. So
I
guess John is right on his comment.
No flames here, just to tell you what=B4s the way two huge American compani
es
are doing business these days.
Bye,
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Started
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale |
I am sure that is why you cancelled my 750 DVD purchase, and you replied
to my posting on here which has my name in it Jon. I know now you are
trying to act like it was just a harmless statement, but it wasn't Jon.
You was so ok with it you also cancelled my 750 DVD order, yeah great
salemanship and it speaks loads for your business Jon. Yep they were 2
years old, sitting on the shelf, because I just finished a B10 flying
wing, LePelican UL from Cananda restoration and almost finished with a
Beaver RX restoration, all shown on my website but yet no postings in
the group of building a 701, no FAA record of me building a 701, and no
parts or a 701 sold by me either because I haven't gotten around to
building it yet. Since the 750 came out I would prefer to build it and
the most amazing thing is I can sell my unused 701 plans and Zenith
won't care as long as I have not built a plane and I havent. The only
person who feels I should have just trashed the DVD's since I did not
use them was you. Funny how you got your money then canceled my order
for the NEW 750 DVD's too.
A good business man will admit he was wrong, apologize and complete my
order. Someone like you will now just try to save face and probably now
post false hoods to try and save face for doing something that was
wrong, rude and totally uncalled for.
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Croke
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
Wow, sorry I got you so upset, Dave!
I never said there was anything "morally" wrong with reselling. How
did you come to that conclusion?
And I never used your name in my post.
I simply said (and will say it again!) that
1) I cannot provide tech support for buyers/sellers that dont purchase
from me (isn't that fair?)
2) This type of activity will/can put me out of business -- that is a
judgement on my part and not some accusation of morally bad behavior on
your part.
I said that business is business and that means that no one should
feel sorry for me or my good/bad judgements. I was pointing out that
while it is OK to buy/resell - both legally and morally - the
consequences for this are stated above. Some bad for me, some for
others.
It is a pitch on my part to get more people to buy new vs resold - you
are free to choose. I appreciate all that use these videos!
BTW, I see from my records that it was 2 years ago that you bought
that "new/unused" 701 set.... hmm...
I apologize for upsetting you with my point of view, it was not my
intention, sorry... but I kinda stand by my original points made above.
Jon (a big Ebay buyer/reseller myself!)
----- Original Message -----
From: David Mikesell
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
I am sorry but I just can not get over the anger from the blantent
statement by Jon Croke saying I am killing his business, that I am doing
something wrong. From his statement I should take my brand new unused
DVS's and crush them since I am not going to use them, heck with that
mentality I should have just set the $220 on fire instead of even
ordering the DVD's since I never built the plane.
How and any respectable businessman make such statements openly.
Telling customers and the public that the selling of a new and
unused item is moraly wrong and causing him to loose money. That
statement is beyond lunacy. I had alot of respect for Jon and his help
to builders, but if selling something unused and new is what he
considers morally corrupt and wrong??? My respect for his work is gone.
I feel publicly insulted by his accusation and his rude comments.
I suggest Jon that you switch to decaf, see a shrink and apologize
for your rude and uncalled for accusation.
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Croke
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701
for sale
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my
Homebuilt Help DVD's. I have
It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand,
but I must state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased
DVDs will not be welcome to get technical support from me.
Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling"
- but this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of
business.
I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me --
thanks for your support.
Jon
HomebuiltHELP
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List">http://www.
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale |
I totally agree you with, you bought them and used them. In this
instance these DVD's have not been used and if Jon had called me before
posting he would have known that and if you had offered a discount on
the New 750 DVD's with trade in of the New 701 DVD's then all would be
fine.
That is the problem, Jon decided to just be rude and acusative instead
of just emailing me or calling me, he has my phone number it is on the
order\payment form he received.
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
Hi guys,
This is not my call but I=B4d love to share my experience with you.
I=B4m an IT Systems Analyst, I work in close relation with Cisco Systems
and Microsoft, both as an instructor. I=B4ve spent 1500 this yeat
on trainning DVDs only for Cisco and 2100 for Microsoft. Both
companies on their contracts clearly say that i=B4m not allow to
sell/re-sell or even lend those DVD. So I guess John is right on his
comment.
No flames here, just to tell you what=B4s the way two huge American
companies are doing business these days.
Bye,
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Started
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale |
Hey GuysYou guys should take this off list the rest of us are not intereste
d and I have read all the post and all Jon said was that it was okay to res
ale but he would not provide customer support the third party.
Floyd
----------------------------------------
From: "David Mikesell" <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
I am sure that is why you cancelled my 750 DVDpurchase, and you replied to
my posting on here which has my name in it Jon. Iknow now you are trying to
act like it was just a harmless statement, but itwasn't Jon. You was so ok
with it you also cancelled my 750 DVD order, yeahgreat salemanship and it
speaks loads for your business Jon. Yep they were 2years old, sitting on th
e shelf, because I just finished a B10 flying wing,LePelican UL from Canand
a restoration and almost finished with a Beaver RXrestoration, all shown on
my website but yet no postings in the group ofbuilding a 701, no FAA recor
d of me building a 701, and no parts or a 701 soldby me either because I ha
ven't gotten around to building it yet. Since the 750came out I would prefe
r to build it and the most amazing thing is I can sell myunused 701 plans a
nd Zenith won't care as long as I have not built a plane and Ihavent. The o
nly person who feels I should have just trashed the DVD's since Idid not us
e them was you. Funny how you got your money then canceled myorder for the
NEW 750 DVD's too. A good business man will admit he was wrong,apologize a
nd complete my order. Someone like you will now just try to save faceand pr
obably now post false hoods to try and save face for doing something thatwa
s wrong, rude and totally uncalled for. David M.----- Original Message ----
- From:Jon Croke To: zenith701801-list@matronics.comSent: Wednesday, Octobe
r 07, 2009 12:21PMSubject: Re: Zenith701801-List: HomebuiltHelp DVD's for t
he 701 for sale
Wow, sorry I got you so upset, Dave! I never said there was anything "moral
ly"wrong with reselling. How did you come to that conclusion? And I never
used your name in mypost. I simply said (and will say it again!) that 1) I
cannot provide tech support forbuyers/sellers that dont purchase from me (i
sn't that fair?) 2) This type of activity will/can put me out ofbusiness --
that is a judgement on my part and not some accusation of morallybad behav
ior on your part. I said that business is business and that meansthat no on
e should feel sorry for me or my good/bad judgements. I waspointing out th
at while it is OK to buy/resell - both legally and morally -the consequence
s for this are stated above. Some bad for me, some forothers. It is a pi
tch on my part to get more people tobuy new vs resold - you are free to cho
ose. I appreciate all thatuse these videos! BTW, I see from my records that
it was 2years ago that you bought that "new/unused" 701 set.... hmm... I a
pologize for upsetting you with my point ofview, it was not my intention, s
orry... but I kinda stand by my originalpoints made above. Jon (a big Ebay
buyer/resellermyself!)----- Original Message ----- From:DavidMikesell To: z
enith701801-list@matronics.comSent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:35PMSubje
ct: Re: Zenith701801-List:Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
I am sorry but I just can not get over theanger from the blantent statement
by Jon Croke saying I am killing hisbusiness, that I am doing something wr
ong. From his statement I should takemy brand new unused DVS's and crush th
em since I am not going to use them,heck with that mentality I should have
just set the $220 on fire instead ofeven ordering the DVD's since I never b
uilt the plane. How and any respectable businessman make suchstatements ope
nly. Telling customers and the public that theselling of a new and unused i
tem is moraly wrong and causing him to loosemoney. That statement is beyond
lunacy. I had alot of respect for Jon andhis help to builders, but if sell
ing something unused and new is what heconsiders morally corrupt and wrong?
?? My respect for his work is gone. Ifeel publicly insulted by his accusati
on and his rude comments. I suggest Jon that you switch to decaf, see ashri
nk and apologize for your rude and uncalled for accusation. David M.----- O
riginal Message ----- From:Jon CrokeTo: zenith701801-list@matronics.comSent
: Wednesday, October 07, 20097:39 AMSubject: Re: Zenith701801-List:Homebuil
t Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
----- Original Message ----- Subject: Zenith701801-List:Homebuilt Help DVD
's for the 701 for sale
Hey guys, I am no longerbuilding the 701 and looking to sell my Homebuilt H
elp DVD=92s. I have It is perfectly legal to buy and sell thesevideos secon
d-hand, but I must state that both buyers andsellers of previously-purchase
d DVDs will not be welcome to gettechnical support from me. Business is bus
iness and we all need to savea buck by "recycling" - but this is a sure me
thod to put myone-man operation out of business. I appreciate every custome
r that makes apurchase from me -- thanks for your support. JonHomebuiltHELP
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Wow! Maybe we all should go to decaff, and/or lay off whatever else we
might happen to be on! Hardly worth fighting about, especially anger
filled multiple posts, IMHO......
Not trying to start a fight, but the way I see it, a guy like Jon puts
a lot of time, effort and some bucks to produce these great videos to
sell to an extremely limited market of buyers. After all, how many
people build 701's or 750's? Not many from a marketing viewpoint, and
few of these already-few builders buy the DVD's!
If we buy a set of DVD's, build one, then resell the DVD's to other
builders, any tiny amount of profit that Jon might have would go down
the tube. Then the result would be that he goes out of business, and
does that help the next builder?? Nope!
I've never met Jon, and can only testify to his excellent advice and
tech support via phone and sure have no financial interest in his tiny
company, nor IMO would any other savvy investor! But believe me, the
technical support is worth every penny!
I personally never mind spending more money to keep the American
Entrepenuer alive and well, whether it be tools, (I tried to buy an
American made air compressor and could not find one, despite looking in
all the fine print for a week!) cars, airplanes, or anything else. I
supose we could buy DVD's with made in China stamped on them if they
were available (no money in it so not likely to happen!) and likely no
one would complain with their resale! The Chinese are well known for
their total lack of respect for copyrights and patents.
Also, if someone works and figures out a template of something or a
better gadget or way to do something, more power to him! The
INVENTOR/DEVELPER, IMO should reap any financial benefit, however small.
So I can understand his objecting to the resale of these DVD's. Sure
its the American way to sell what we have paid for, but we could easily
kill the Goose that laid the Golden Egg by doing so.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Croke
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
Wow, sorry I got you so upset, Dave!
I never said there was anything "morally" wrong with reselling. How
did you come to that conclusion?
And I never used your name in my post.
I simply said (and will say it again!) that
1) I cannot provide tech support for buyers/sellers that dont purchase
from me (isn't that fair?)
2) This type of activity will/can put me out of business -- that is a
judgement on my part and not some accusation of morally bad behavior on
your part.
I said that business is business and that means that no one should
feel sorry for me or my good/bad judgements. I was pointing out that
while it is OK to buy/resell - both legally and morally - the
consequences for this are stated above. Some bad for me, some for
others.
It is a pitch on my part to get more people to buy new vs resold - you
are free to choose. I appreciate all that use these videos!
BTW, I see from my records that it was 2 years ago that you bought
that "new/unused" 701 set.... hmm...
I apologize for upsetting you with my point of view, it was not my
intention, sorry... but I kinda stand by my original points made above.
Jon (a big Ebay buyer/reseller myself!)
----- Original Message -----
From: David Mikesell
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
I am sorry but I just can not get over the anger from the blantent
statement by Jon Croke saying I am killing his business, that I am doing
something wrong. From his statement I should take my brand new unused
DVS's and crush them since I am not going to use them, heck with that
mentality I should have just set the $220 on fire instead of even
ordering the DVD's since I never built the plane.
How and any respectable businessman make such statements openly.
Telling customers and the public that the selling of a new and
unused item is moraly wrong and causing him to loose money. That
statement is beyond lunacy. I had alot of respect for Jon and his help
to builders, but if selling something unused and new is what he
considers morally corrupt and wrong??? My respect for his work is gone.
I feel publicly insulted by his accusation and his rude comments.
I suggest Jon that you switch to decaf, see a shrink and apologize
for your rude and uncalled for accusation.
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Croke
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701
for sale
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my
Homebuilt Help DVD's. I have
It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand,
but I must state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased
DVDs will not be welcome to get technical support from me.
Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling"
- but this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of
business.
I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me --
thanks for your support.
Jon
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If anyone cares.....
I have to side with David on this. What difference does it make who
actually holds the DVD? Realizing the fact that Jon should only offer
assistance to ONE customer per DVD, he certainly shouldn't shun the new
holder of the DVD. I think it a very poor business practice to do so.
There should be some form of transferrability to this type of product.
To offer assistance to only those who buy NEW is being a bit short
sighted. To bad. I know I won't be buying and DVD's from him.
Sorry, Jon.
Bob Taylor
Wadsworth, Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: Iberplanes IGL
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
Hi guys,
This is not my call but I=B4d love to share my experience with you.
I=B4m an IT Systems Analyst, I work in close relation with Cisco Systems
and Microsoft, both as an instructor. I=B4ve spent 1500 this yeat
on trainning DVDs only for Cisco and 2100 for Microsoft. Both
companies on their contracts clearly say that i=B4m not allow to
sell/re-sell or even lend those DVD. So I guess John is right on his
comment.
No flames here, just to tell you what=B4s the way two huge American
companies are doing business these days.
Bye,
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
----------------------------------------------
Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Started
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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My two cents worth.. I have met Jon and his other half. They both seem n
ice, sincere and honest. If you bought the DVD's and paid for them then
they are yours to do whatever you went. He does not need to support anyo
ne but you for technical issues, but geez, these are DVD,s. He burns the
m, ships them, you watch them... How much product support is needed ????
In a business where profit margins are so tight cancelleing your order
is petty at best and suicidal at worst.... Jon, did you really cancel hi
s order? and why?
do not archive.
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "David Mikesell" <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Home built Help and Jon Croke
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fice" />Well Jon cancelled my order for the CH750 videos. Well that tota
lly ruins all respect for this guy. He is a real piece of work. I sell s
omething that I bought from him that is brand new and unused, he wants m
e to just throw it away and waste the money that I worked to earn. Since
I sell the new unused videos and reply to his rude and uncalled for com
ments he cancels my order. I must say he has a deep metal problem. David
M.----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Croke To: zenith701801-list@ma
tronics.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AMSubject: Re: Zenith
701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
----- Original Message ----- Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help
DVD's for the 701 for sale
Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my Homebui
lt Help DVD=92s. I have
It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but I m
ust state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs will
not be welcome to get technical support from me. Business is business a
nd we all need to save a buck by "recycling" - but this is a sure metho
d to put my one-man operation out of business. I appreciate every custom
er that makes a purchase from me -- thanks for your support. JonHomebuil
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Jon,
I bought a couple of your videos and I am using them to scratch build my CH 750
I am building at EAA 96 's hangar in Compton Ca and have had quite a
bit of interest from and help from a few of the Young Eagles. I was
considering giving a talk at our monthly meeting and showing one of
the videos to the chapter to try and incite some interest to get
someone else to start building a CH 750. Now I am wondering if that is
ethical or not. I kind of see it as if I buy a movie and watch it with
my friends. I am not sure now, from you're point of view if that is
ethical.
What is your take?
My opinion on cancelling this gentleman's order is; what a shame and a
poor business decision. Finally, what kind of support are you talking
about? If I hit a wall the choices are Zenith, my tech advisers with
EAA and this list. I wouldn't even consider calling you, no offense
meant. I would call you if the DVD was defective and that is about it.
Thanks,
Joe Motis
scratch built CH 750
WilliamWynn Corvair
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Mikesell <skyguynca@skyguynca.com> wrote:
> Well Jon cancelled my order for the CH750 videos. Well that totally ruins
> all respect for this guy. He is a real piece of work. I sell something that
> I bought from him that is brand new and unused, he wants me to just throw it
> away and waste the money that I worked to earn. Since I sell the new unused
> videos and reply to his rude and uncalled for comments he cancels my order.
> I must say he has a deep metal problem.
>
> David M.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jon Croke
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
>
> Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my Homebuilt
> Help DVDs. I have
>
>
> It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but I must
> state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs will not
> bewelcome to get technical support from me.
>
> Business is business and we all need to save a buck by"recycling" - but
> this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
>
> I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks for your
> support.
>
> Jon
> HomebuiltHELP
>
>
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I agree that software or things in digital storage media are difficult to deal
with the used sale of. I also understand that this is a small potential market.
Maybe should be a disclaimer so that everyone is on the same page at the time
of purchase?
Kevin
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Not to add fuel to the fire, but Ben said exactly what I was thinking--
I agree completely.
do not archive
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: n801bh@netzero.com
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Home built Help and Jon Croke
My two cents worth.. I have met Jon and his other half. They both seem
nice, sincere and honest. If you bought the DVD's and paid for them then
they are yours to do whatever you went. He does not need to support
anyone but you for technical issues, but geez, these are DVD,s. He burns
them, ships them, you watch them... How much product support is needed
???? In a business where profit margins are so tight cancelleing your
order is petty at best and suicidal at worst.... Jon, did you really
cancel his order? and why?
do not archive.
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "David Mikesell" <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
To: <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Home built Help and Jon Croke
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:10:48 -0700
Well Jon cancelled my order for the CH750 videos. Well that totally
ruins all respect for this guy. He is a real piece of work. I sell
something that I bought from him that is brand new and unused, he wants
me to just throw it away and waste the money that I worked to earn.
Since I sell the new unused videos and reply to his rude and uncalled
for comments he cancels my order. I must say he has a deep metal
problem.
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Croke
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
----- Original Message -----
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my
Homebuilt Help DVD=92s. I have
It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but
I must state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs
will not be welcome to get technical support from me.
Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling"
- but this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks
for your support.
Jon
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all
Guys I am sorry that Jon chose to take this public on the forum. He
basically said by selling my new/unused videos I am taking money from him
and going to drive him out of business. Then he cancel's my order for the
CH750 DVD's....wow talking about driving someone out of business, he is
doing that for himself.
Well I am going to take a more legal channel with Jon since we had a
contract and he accepted it when he said he would ship my videos today and
then decided to not ship them at all.
Thanks for all your support guys, one thing I suggest:
If doing business with Homebuit Help or Jon Croke, get everything in writing
because you can see where being a customer got me.
David M.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of joe motis
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Home built Help and Jon Croke
Jon,
I bought a couple of your videos and I am using them to scratch build my CH
750
I am building at EAA 96 's hangar in Compton Ca and have had quite a
bit of interest from and help from a few of the Young Eagles. I was
considering giving a talk at our monthly meeting and showing one of
the videos to the chapter to try and incite some interest to get
someone else to start building a CH 750. Now I am wondering if that is
ethical or not. I kind of see it as if I buy a movie and watch it with
my friends. I am not sure now, from you're point of view if that is
ethical.
What is your take?
My opinion on cancelling this gentleman's order is; what a shame and a
poor business decision. Finally, what kind of support are you talking
about? If I hit a wall the choices are Zenith, my tech advisers with
EAA and this list. I wouldn't even consider calling you, no offense
meant. I would call you if the DVD was defective and that is about it.
Thanks,
Joe Motis
scratch built CH 750
WilliamWynn Corvair
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Mikesell <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
wrote:
> Well Jon cancelled my order for the CH750 videos. Well that totally ruins
> all respect for this guy. He is a real piece of work. I sell something
that
> I bought from him that is brand new and unused, he wants me to just throw
it
> away and waste the money that I worked to earn. Since I sell the new
unused
> videos and reply to his rude and uncalled for comments he cancels my
order.
> I must say he has a deep metal problem.
>
> David M.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jon Croke
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
>
> Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my Homebuilt
> Help DVDs. I have
>
>
> It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but I must
> state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs will not
> bewelcome to get technical support from me.
>
> Business is business and we all need to save a buck by"recycling" - but
> this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
>
> I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks for
your
> support.
>
> Jon
> HomebuiltHELP
>
>
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nics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List
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all
David,
I agree that Jon's sending that message was an unwise move. It was an
over-reaction to someone selling his videos. Not smart ...
But now you are over-reacting to Jon's over-reaction. Hear me out ...
If you read his message dispassionately, it was really quite benign. All he
was saying was "Hey, if everybody does this, then my business won't have a
chance, and there won't be any videos in the future." None of the
viciousness that you have attributed to it was in his message.
As to his cancelling your order, my guess would be that it might have been
more of a reaction to your spirited posts than your selling his videos.
I've talked to Jon a number of times and I believe he's a good guy, and I
will continue to do business with him.
Will I sell his videos when I'm done? No, but not because he doesn't want m
e
to. I'll keep them because they are a good video record of how my airplane
is put together. I believe they are worth keeping for future reference.
Ken Ryan
CH 750, tail complete, moving slowly and deliberately
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:32 PM, <skyguynca@skyguynca.com> wrote:
>
> Guys I am sorry that Jon chose to take this public on the forum. He
> basically said by selling my new/unused videos I am taking money from him
> and going to drive him out of business. Then he cancel's my order for the
> CH750 DVD's....wow talking about driving someone out of business, he is
> doing that for himself.
>
> Well I am going to take a more legal channel with Jon since we had a
> contract and he accepted it when he said he would ship my videos today an
d
> then decided to not ship them at all.
>
> Thanks for all your support guys, one thing I suggest:
> If doing business with Homebuit Help or Jon Croke, get everything in
> writing
> because you can see where being a customer got me.
>
> David M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of joe
> motis
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:06 PM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Home built Help and Jon Croke
>
>
> Jon,
> I bought a couple of your videos and I am using them to scratch build my
CH
> 750
> I am building at EAA 96 's hangar in Compton Ca and have had quite a
> bit of interest from and help from a few of the Young Eagles. I was
> considering giving a talk at our monthly meeting and showing one of
> the videos to the chapter to try and incite some interest to get
> someone else to start building a CH 750. Now I am wondering if that is
> ethical or not. I kind of see it as if I buy a movie and watch it with
> my friends. I am not sure now, from you're point of view if that is
> ethical.
> What is your take?
> My opinion on cancelling this gentleman's order is; what a shame and a
> poor business decision. Finally, what kind of support are you talking
> about? If I hit a wall the choices are Zenith, my tech advisers with
> EAA and this list. I wouldn't even consider calling you, no offense
> meant. I would call you if the DVD was defective and that is about it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Motis
> scratch built CH 750
> WilliamWynn Corvair
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Mikesell <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
> wrote:
> > Well Jon cancelled my order for the CH750 videos. Well that totally rui
ns
> > all respect for this guy. He is a real piece of work. I sell something
> that
> > I bought from him that is brand new and unused, he wants me to just thr
ow
> it
> > away and waste the money that I worked to earn. Since I sell the new
> unused
> > videos and reply to his rude and uncalled for comments he cancels my
> order.
> > I must say he has a deep metal problem.
> >
> > David M.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jon Croke
> > To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sa
le
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
> >
> > Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my
> Homebuilt
> > Help DVD=92s. I have
> >
> >
> > It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but I
> must
> > state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs will no
t
> > be welcome to get technical support from me.
> >
> > Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling" - b
ut
> > this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
> >
> > I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks for
> your
> > support.
> >
> > Jon
> > HomebuiltHELP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List">
> http://www.matro
> nics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List
> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Hi Joe and all,
This is not the forum for some these issues, so this will be my last on this
topic.
David's order was not cancelled because of reselling videos. We have
communicated offline and I have offered to reinstate his order, his choice.
If you try to analyze the why and what was going on behind the scenes, you
do so at your own risk.
I am sure I could say this a dozen times and some would still miss it:
It is OK, legally and ethically to resell my DVDs. I never said different.
I did say that every resale loses a sale for me.
Nothing more, nothing less. And the lack of tech support for 2nd hand
purchasers: as Ben also states: its just a DVD, so support is not really an
issue. I do not disagree!
So, Joe... show to all the Eagle kids you want... that is a good thing! How
could it be otherwise? The more exposure the better. Thanks for the
publicity.
I was wrong in posting my original post. I was trying to appeal to the
sympathy chord for not re-selling videos as it truly hurts my business, more
than you think. (sympathy again). It wasnt aimed at an individual, and I
missed the mark on that one. Remember, once you have built your aircraft,
you have NO USE for these videos anymore - not the same as the screwdriver
or other tools you use. So, eventually, as you look for ways to get rid of
your DVDs, there will be a flood of these on the resale market as aircraft
are finished. My sales will virtually dissappear. Yes, I am selfishly
looking out for my hide. (sympathy). Never said I was a smart
businessman... just telling you like I see it. I realize now there were/are
smarter ways to deal with this issue than the way I presented it.
Back to building!
Jon
>
> Jon,
> I bought a couple of your videos and I am using them to scratch build my
> CH 750
> I am building at EAA 96 's hangar in Compton Ca and have had quite a
> bit of interest from and help from a few of the Young Eagles. I was
> considering giving a talk at our monthly meeting and showing one of
> the videos to the chapter to try and incite some interest to get
> someone else to start building a CH 750. Now I am wondering if that is
> ethical or not. I kind of see it as if I buy a movie and watch it with
> my friends. I am not sure now, from you're point of view if that is
> ethical.
> What is your take?
> My opinion on cancelling this gentleman's order is; what a shame and a
> poor business decision. Finally, what kind of support are you talking
> about? If I hit a wall the choices are Zenith, my tech advisers with
> EAA and this list. I wouldn't even consider calling you, no offense
> meant. I would call you if the DVD was defective and that is about it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Motis
> scratch built CH 750
> WilliamWynn Corvair
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Mikesell <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
> wrote:
>> Well Jon cancelled my order for the CH750 videos. Well that totally ruins
>> all respect for this guy. He is a real piece of work. I sell something
>> that
>> I bought from him that is brand new and unused, he wants me to just throw
>> it
>> away and waste the money that I worked to earn. Since I sell the new
>> unused
>> videos and reply to his rude and uncalled for comments he cancels my
>> order.
>> I must say he has a deep metal problem.
>>
>> David M.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jon Croke
>> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
>>
>> Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my
>> Homebuilt
>> Help DVDs. I have
>>
>>
>> It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but I
>> must
>> state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs will not
>> be welcome to get technical support from me.
>>
>> Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling" - but
>> this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
>>
>> I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks for
>> your
>> support.
>>
>> Jon
>> HomebuiltHELP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
>>
>>
>
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Congrats to Jon for being a great guy.. It takes alot of character to do
what you did and I commend you....
Let the building begin,,,, again. <G>
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jon Croke" <Jon@joncroke.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Home built Help and Jon Croke
Hi Joe and all,
This is not the forum for some these issues, so this will be my last on
this
topic.
David's order was not cancelled because of reselling videos. We have
communicated offline and I have offered to reinstate his order, his choi
ce.
If you try to analyze the why and what was going on behind the scenes, y
ou
do so at your own risk.
I am sure I could say this a dozen times and some would still miss it:
It is OK, legally and ethically to resell my DVDs. I never said differe
nt.
I did say that every resale loses a sale for me.
Nothing more, nothing less. And the lack of tech support for 2nd hand
purchasers: as Ben also states: its just a DVD, so support is not reall
y an
issue. I do not disagree!
So, Joe... show to all the Eagle kids you want... that is a good thing!
How
could it be otherwise? The more exposure the better. Thanks for the
publicity.
I was wrong in posting my original post. I was trying to appeal to the
sympathy chord for not re-selling videos as it truly hurts my business,
more
than you think. (sympathy again). It wasnt aimed at an individual, and
I
missed the mark on that one. Remember, once you have built your aircraf
t,
you have NO USE for these videos anymore - not the same as the screwdriv
er
or other tools you use. So, eventually, as you look for ways to get rid
of
your DVDs, there will be a flood of these on the resale market as aircra
ft
are finished. My sales will virtually dissappear. Yes, I am selfishly
looking out for my hide. (sympathy). Never said I was a smart
businessman... just telling you like I see it. I realize now there were
/are
smarter ways to deal with this issue than the way I presented it.
Back to building!
Jon
>
>
> Jon,
> I bought a couple of your videos and I am using them to scratch build
my
> CH 750
> I am building at EAA 96 's hangar in Compton Ca and have had quite a
> bit of interest from and help from a few of the Young Eagles. I was
> considering giving a talk at our monthly meeting and showing one of
> the videos to the chapter to try and incite some interest to get
> someone else to start building a CH 750. Now I am wondering if that is
> ethical or not. I kind of see it as if I buy a movie and watch it with
> my friends. I am not sure now, from you're point of view if that is
> ethical.
> What is your take?
> My opinion on cancelling this gentleman's order is; what a shame and a
> poor business decision. Finally, what kind of support are you talking
> about? If I hit a wall the choices are Zenith, my tech advisers with
> EAA and this list. I wouldn't even consider calling you, no offense
> meant. I would call you if the DVD was defective and that is about it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Motis
> scratch built CH 750
> WilliamWynn Corvair
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Mikesell <skyguynca@skyguynca.c
om>
> wrote:
>> Well Jon cancelled my order for the CH750 videos. Well that totally r
uins
>> all respect for this guy. He is a real piece of work. I sell somethin
g
>> that
>> I bought from him that is brand new and unused, he wants me to just t
hrow
>> it
>> away and waste the money that I worked to earn. Since I sell the new
>> unused
>> videos and reply to his rude and uncalled for comments he cancels my
>> order.
>> I must say he has a deep metal problem.
>>
>> David M.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jon Croke
>> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
>> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for
sale
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's for the 701 for sale
>>
>> Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking to sell my
>> Homebuilt
>> Help DVD=92s. I have
>>
>>
>> It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos second-hand, but I
>> must
>> state that both buyers and sellers of previously-purchased DVDs will
not
>> be welcome to get technical support from me.
>>
>> Business is business and we all need to save a buck by "recycling" -
but
>> this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out of business.
>>
>> I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from me -- thanks f
or
>> your
>> support.
>>
>> Jon
>> HomebuiltHELP
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List">http://
www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.c
om/c
>>
>>
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And Amen to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a message dated 10/7/2009 7:44:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jon@joncroke.com writes:
This is not the forum for some these issues, so this will be my last on
this
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| Subject: | Yep, ON TO BUILDING a CH750 |
I have been studying my CH750 Plans and I am soooooo pumped about finally
starting to scratch build it. I have watched Doug at QSP putting their 750
kit together (oh and for you guys who don't know they are having a open
house/rudder workshop/BBQ get together this weekend!!!) and I must say what
a improvement to the 701. I wish I could afford the kit but alas with my
wife in medical school becoming a doctor I have to build from scratch. I
love building from scratch so no big deal. Anyone else scratch building a
750?
David M.
_____
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
NYTerminat@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Home built Help and Jon Croke
And Amen to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a message dated 10/7/2009 7:44:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jon@joncroke.com writes:
This is not the forum for some these issues, so this will be my last on this
topic.
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all
OK guys, what do you say we stop fanning the fire, and let this die.
Here's my "one man's opinion" and I'm not trying to influence anyone; Jon is a
great guy and has been of immense help to me on my 701. I own all of his 701 DVD's
and he has always promptly answered my questions, either by email or on the
phone no matter how stupid they were. I too will keep the DVD's as a record
and remembrance of the fun I've had on this project. But that's just me, and
I'm in no way judging anyone else.
My point is this; he is an excellent resource and his work is invaluable to present
and future builders. I think we can all agree that we want him to continue
his excellent work, so what do you say we all just stop beating this to death
and get back to building. We're not the 601 crowd. How about it? Please?
--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Ken Ryan <keninalaska@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Ken Ryan <keninalaska@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Home built Help and Jon Croke/......ok that is
all
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 6:20 PM
> David,
>
> I agree that Jon's sending that message was an unwise
> move. It was an over-reaction to someone selling his
> videos. Not smart ...
>
> But now you are over-reacting to Jon's over-reaction.
> Hear me out ...
>
>
>
> If you read his message dispassionately, it was really
> quite benign. All he was saying was "Hey, if everybody
> does this, then my business won't have a chance, and
> there won't be any videos in the future." None of
> the viciousness that you have attributed to it was in his
> message.
>
>
> As to his cancelling your order, my guess would be that it
> might have been more of a reaction to your spirited posts
> than your selling his videos.
>
> I've talked to Jon a number of times and I believe
> he's a good guy, and I will continue to do business with
> him.
>
>
> Will I sell his videos when I'm done? No, but not
> because he doesn't want me to. I'll keep them
> because they are a good video record of how my airplane is
> put together. I believe they are worth keeping for future
> reference.
>
>
> Ken Ryan
> CH 750, tail complete, moving slowly and deliberately
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:32 PM,
> <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Guys I am sorry that Jon chose to take this public on the
> forum. He
>
> basically said by selling my new/unused videos I am taking
> money from him
>
> and going to drive him out of business. Then he
> cancel's my order for the
>
> CH750 DVD's....wow talking about driving someone out of
> business, he is
>
> doing that for himself.
>
>
>
> Well I am going to take a more legal channel with Jon since
> we had a
>
> contract and he accepted it when he said he would ship my
> videos today and
>
> then decided to not ship them at all.
>
>
>
> Thanks for all your support guys, one thing I suggest:
>
> If doing business with Homebuit Help or Jon Croke, get
> everything in writing
>
> because you can see where being a customer got me.
>
>
>
> David M.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
>
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of joe motis
>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:06 PM
>
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Home built Help and Jon
> Croke
>
>
>
> <joemotis@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> Jon,
>
> I bought a couple of your videos and I am using them to
> scratch build my CH
>
> 750
>
> I am building at EAA 96 's hangar in Compton Ca and
> have had quite a
>
> bit of interest from and help from a few of the Young
> Eagles. I was
>
> considering giving a talk at our monthly meeting and
> showing one of
>
> the videos to the chapter to try and incite some interest
> to get
>
> someone else to start building a CH 750. Now I am wondering
> if that is
>
> ethical or not. I kind of see it as if I buy a movie and
> watch it with
>
> my friends. I am not sure now, from you're point of
> view if that is
>
> ethical.
>
> What is your take?
>
> My opinion on cancelling this gentleman's order is;
> what a shame and a
>
> poor business decision. Finally, what kind of support are
> you talking
>
> about? If I hit a wall the choices are Zenith, my tech
> advisers with
>
> EAA and this list. I wouldn't even consider calling
> you, no offense
>
> meant. I would call you if the DVD was defective and that
> is about it.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Joe Motis
>
> scratch built CH 750
>
> WilliamWynn Corvair
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:10 PM, David Mikesell <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> > Well Jon cancelled my order for the CH750 videos. Well
> that totally ruins
>
> > all respect for this guy. He is a real piece of work.
> I sell something
>
> that
>
> > I bought from him that is brand new and unused, he
> wants me to just throw
>
> it
>
> > away and waste the money that I worked to earn. Since
> I sell the new
>
> unused
>
> > videos and reply to his rude and uncalled for comments
> he cancels my
>
> order.
>
> > I must say he has a deep metal problem.
>
> >
>
> > David M.
>
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: Jon Croke
>
> > To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:39 AM
>
> > Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help
> DVD's for the 701 for sale
>
> >
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> >
>
> > Subject: Zenith701801-List: Homebuilt Help DVD's
> for the 701 for sale
>
> >
>
> > Hey guys, I am no longer building the 701 and looking
> to sell my Homebuilt
>
> > Help DVDs. I have
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > It is perfectly legal to buy and sell these videos
> second-hand, but I must
>
> > state that both buyers and sellers of
> previously-purchased DVDs will not
>
> > bewelcome to get technical support from me.
>
> >
>
> > Business is business and we all need to save a buck
> by"recycling" - but
>
> > this is a sure method to put my one-man operation out
> of business.
>
> >
>
> > I appreciate every customer that makes a purchase from
> me -- thanks for
>
> your
>
> > support.
>
> >
>
> > Jon
>
> > HomebuiltHELP
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Yep, ON TO BUILDING a CH750 |
David,
Count me in, I purchased the first retail set of 750 plans, the day
became available. I originally planed on finishing my 701 before
starting the 750, but as things stand, I am making parts for both of
them at the same time.
Bob the 701 & 750 scratch builder
Trois Rivi=E8res, Quebec.
----- Original Message -----
From: skyguynca@skyguynca.com
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:33 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Yep, ON TO BUILDING a CH750
I have been studying my CH750 Plans and I am soooooo pumped about
finally starting to scratch build it. I have watched Doug at QSP putting
their 750 kit together (oh and for you guys who don't know they are
having a open house/rudder workshop/BBQ get together this weekend!!!)
and I must say what a improvement to the 701. I wish I could afford the
kit but alas with my wife in medical school becoming a doctor I have to
build from scratch. I love building from scratch so no big deal. Anyone
else scratch building a 750?
David M.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:05 PM
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Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Home built Help and Jon Croke
And Amen to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a message dated 10/7/2009 7:44:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jon@joncroke.com writes:
This is not the forum for some these issues, so this will be my last
on this
topic.
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| Subject: | Re: Yep, ON TO BUILDING a CH750/ scratch building |
Scratch Building 750, earlier scratch built 701 & 601XL
Fritz ---- do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: skyguynca@skyguynca.com
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:33 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Yep, ON TO BUILDING a CH750
I have been studying my CH750 Plans and I am soooooo pumped about
finally starting to scratch build it. I have watched Doug at QSP putting
their 750 kit together (oh and for you guys who don't know they are
having a open house/rudder workshop/BBQ get together this weekend!!!)
and I must say what a improvement to the 701. I wish I could afford the
kit but alas with my wife in medical school becoming a doctor I have to
build from scratch. I love building from scratch so no big deal. Anyone
else scratch building a 750?
David M.
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
NYTerminat@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:05 PM
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Home built Help and Jon Croke
And Amen to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a message dated 10/7/2009 7:44:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jon@joncroke.com writes:
This is not the forum for some these issues, so this will be my last
on this
topic.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-Listhttp://forums.matroni
cs.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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