---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 10/28/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:58 AM - Re: Fuel level sender and tank removal with 7-WTA-1 cover (bryanekholm) 2. 08:10 AM - Re: Another 701 takes off (bryanekholm) 3. 08:18 AM - 701 Max structural Cruising Speed (txpilot) 4. 08:22 AM - Re: Fuel return line on Rotax 912ULS - revisited (txpilot) 5. 01:45 PM - Re: Fuel level sender and tank removal with 7-WTA-1 cover (kmccune) 6. 06:06 PM - Re: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed (Les Goldner) 7. 07:15 PM - Re: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed (txpilot) 8. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed (Les Goldner) 9. 09:51 PM - Re: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed (jetboy) 10. 10:40 PM - Re: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed (txpilot) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Fuel level sender and tank removal with 7-WTA-1 cover From: "bryanekholm" Kevin, Since I'm at my work computer, the zenith.aero website is filtered as a "social networking" site and won't display any of the pictures. I do get the text, but not the pictures. So if you it's possible, could you please attach the photo of Ken's wing tank cover to this topic string. This site is not filtered. Thanks, Bryan -------- Bryan Ekholm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269823#269823 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:25 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Another 701 takes off From: "bryanekholm" Ianrat, I like the paint scheme. I have been seriously considering using the Suzuki 1.3L with the Raven Redrive as well. I bought the manual from Raven (Jeron?) and attended the builders forum while I was at Airventure in 2008. I've been looking for a low mileage engine to start tinkering with. I know you've just started flying the plane, but please keep us posted on how the plane and engine perform. I see that you are using the belly mounted radiator setup. Rick Roberts used that on his 701 and says that he has no cooing issues at all. How is it working in your plane? Bryan Ekholm -------- Bryan Ekholm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269830#269830 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed From: "txpilot" Does anyone know the max structural cruising speed for the 701 (VNO)? I can't seem to find it in the plans. They only show max flaps down, maneuvering speed, and VNE. Thanks, Dan Ginty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269831#269831 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:51 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Fuel return line on Rotax 912ULS - revisited From: "txpilot" Thanks to all who replied. I guess I'll just get my airplane flying as is and worry about the fuel manifold later. Craig -- thanks for the idea of building a manifold. I'll consider that in the future. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269834#269834 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:45:44 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Fuel level sender and tank removal with 7-WTA-1 cover From: "kmccune" Her it is, my apologies to Ken for posting with out permission. Kevin -------- History is a great teacher if you take time to study it. Steve Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269892#269892 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2146_129.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:53 PM PST US From: "Les Goldner" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed Dan, On the third page of my copy of the 701 plans (Page 7-G-3) there is a speed limitation paragraph. It says the Vne is 110 mph or 180 km/h. However, the plane is so "draggy" that you have to work a little to get it past Vne. Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of txpilot Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:18 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed Does anyone know the max structural cruising speed for the 701 (VNO)? I can't seem to find it in the plans. They only show max flaps down, maneuvering speed, and VNE. Thanks, Dan Ginty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269831#269831 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:32 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed From: "txpilot" Yes, Thanks Les. I got the Vne, but I'm looking for Vno. Vne (110 mph) is the redline on the airspeed indicator. Vno, the maximum structural cruising speed, should be the 'divider' between yellow and green arcs on the airspeed indicator. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269938#269938 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:07:06 PM PST US From: "Les Goldner" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed Dan, Now I have questions! What does Vno represent and why is it important for you to know its value? When I fly I want to know how fast the plane can go before the thing will fly apart, what is the maximum speed I can go in turbulent air during turbulent maneuvers, what speed do I need to be at so I can deploy flaps, and the speed the plane will stall at in various configurations. I think I know these things. The first three are provided by Zenith and the last I have come to by testing. Why do I need to know Vno? Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of txpilot Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed Yes, Thanks Les. I got the Vne, but I'm looking for Vno. Vne (110 mph) is the redline on the airspeed indicator. Vno, the maximum structural cruising speed, should be the 'divider' between yellow and green arcs on the airspeed indicator. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269938#269938 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:27 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed From: "jetboy" For the TP10141E specd 701 Vfe 52Kt Vno 74Kt Vne 96Kt for Europe specs complying with BCAR'S' Vfe 55Kt Va 62Kt "max speed for large abrupt control changes" Vno 78Kt " max structural cruise clean air" Vne 94Kt Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269947#269947 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:40:04 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Max structural Cruising Speed From: "txpilot" > Now I have questions! What does Vno represent and why is it important for > you to know its value? > Vno is essentially defined by FAR Part 23 Cert standards. I know it's not required since we're experimental, but here's the gist: Aircraft Manufacturers like Cessna show Vno as the max cruising speed and say "Do not exceed this speed except in smooth air, and then only with caution." Basically, the certified aircraft are required to show no structural damage if the aircraft encounters vertical gusts up to 50 fpm at or below Vno (The FAA call it Vc). For reference, it's under FAA Regs 23.333 through 23.337, although I recommend a strong cup of coffee before diving into it! Conservatively, I could just call Va at 84mph the Vno speed, but with a 100hp Rotax engine I'm hoping the aircraft will fly faster than 84mph. I'm not interested in flying the plane continuously in a yellow arc region and would simply like to know what value I could safely show the green arc. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=269949#269949 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith701801-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith701801-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith701801-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith701801-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.