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2. 02:35 PM - 801 HS Rib Saga (Jake Crause)
3. 03:28 PM - Re: 801 HS Rib Saga (Carlos Sa)
4. 03:38 PM - Re: 801 HS Rib Saga (John Bolding)
5. 05:07 PM - Re: 801 HS Rib Saga (Jake Crause)
6. 05:07 PM - Re: 801 HS Rib Saga (fritz)
7. 05:18 PM - Lycoming for sale (Larry)
8. 06:05 PM - Re: 801 HS Rib Saga (Jake Crause)
9. 07:02 PM - Re: 801 HS Rib Saga (MacDonald Doug)
10. 07:43 PM - Re:Stol Fences (Jim Fosse)
11. 07:51 PM - Re: 801 HS Rib Saga (Jake Crause)
12. 08:44 PM - Re: 801 HS Rib Saga (Joe Harrington)
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This is what I plan on doing.
Kevin
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Hey guys, =0A=0AI could use your expert opinion on this one.- I was a bon
e head and damaged-one of my 801 Horizontal-Stabilizer-ribs to the po
int I needed to replace it.- So, I sent away for the 32 dollar rib with (
gulp) 53 dollar shipping (wasn't expecting that one).- Anyway, I got the
rib and installed it where the old one had been.- Went very smoothly.-
I went to debur the edges and noticed a nice crack in the top rear flange (
see first photo).- I'm positive I did not cause the crack because there a
re-grinding marks that overlap the crack.- There are also some pretty d
eep tooling marks in that area as well.--The only type of pressure I've
put on the rib was to clamp it in place, and my clamps would not reach tha
t far anyway.- It looks to me that it cracked when it was bent in the for
m.=0A=0AAnyhoo, my question is this:- Can I remove-the area-I've mark
ed with a sharpie in the second photo to remove the crack and continue the
mission?- It's a Number 20 hole and edge distance is already an issue (5m
m but should be 8mm)-as you can see.- The hole on the other side of the
flange has a 5mm edge distance as well.- The-damaged rib I'm replacing
had correct edge distances-so-this new rib has a shorter flange.- I
emailed Zenair this morning but I think I missed them for the weekend.- I
leave for Afghanistan in less than a week and would like to finish this pa
rt before I go.- Thanks in advance.=0A=0AJake Crause=0APooler, GA=0A=0A
=0A
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| Subject: | Re: 801 HS Rib Saga |
Jake, take the following comment with a grain of salt - or several grains,
if you prefer.
There are two things I could do if this was my project: make another rib
myself (with $85 I could make a stack of them!).
Or, cut off the whole area around the rivet hole you show in the picture (a
diagonal starting at the top right, where you painted it with the sharpie,
going to the left and down), and add a new rivet to the left, with proper
edge distance.
Good luck
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
2009/11/6 Jake Crause <jakecrause@yahoo.com>
> Hey guys,
>
> I could use your expert opinion on this one. I was a bone head and
> damaged one of my 801 Horizontal Stabilizer ribs to the point I needed to
> replace it. So, I sent away for the 32 dollar rib with (gulp) 53 dollar
> shipping (wasn't expecting that one). Anyway, I got the rib and installed
> it where the old one had been. Went very smoothly. I went to debur the
> edges and noticed a nice crack in the top rear flange (see first photo).
> I'm positive I did not cause the crack because there are grinding marks that
> overlap the crack. There are also some pretty deep tooling marks in that
> area as well. The only type of pressure I've put on the rib was to clamp it
> in place, and my clamps would not reach that far anyway. It looks to me
> that it cracked when it was bent in the form.
>
> Anyhoo, my question is this: Can I remove the area I've marked with a
> sharpie in the second photo to remove the crack and continue the mission?
> It's a Number 20 hole and edge distance is already an issue (5mm but should
> be 8mm) as you can see. The hole on the other side of the flange has a 5mm
> edge distance as well. The damaged rib I'm replacing had correct edge
> distances so this new rib has a shorter flange. I emailed Zenair this
> morning but I think I missed them for the weekend. I leave for Afghanistan
> in less than a week and would like to finish this part before I go. Thanks
> in advance.
>
> Jake Crause
> Pooler, GA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 801 HS Rib Saga |
send it back, that's crap. Shouldn't have been shipped.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Jake Crause
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 4:33 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 801 HS Rib Saga
Hey guys,
I could use your expert opinion on this one. I was a bone head and
damaged one of my 801 Horizontal Stabilizer ribs to the point I needed
to replace it. So, I sent away for the 32 dollar rib with (gulp) 53
dollar shipping (wasn't expecting that one). Anyway, I got the rib and
installed it where the old one had been. Went very smoothly. I went to
debur the edges and noticed a nice crack in the top rear flange (see
first photo). I'm positive I did not cause the crack because there are
grinding marks that overlap the crack. There are also some pretty deep
tooling marks in that area as well. The only type of pressure I've put
on the rib was to clamp it in place, and my clamps would not reach that
far anyway. It looks to me that it cracked when it was bent in the
form.
Anyhoo, my question is this: Can I remove the area I've marked with a
sharpie in the second photo to remove the crack and continue the
mission? It's a Number 20 hole and edge distance is already an issue
(5mm but should be 8mm) as you can see. The hole on the other side of
the flange has a 5mm edge distance as well. The damaged rib I'm
replacing had correct edge distances so this new rib has a shorter
flange. I emailed Zenair this morning but I think I missed them for the
weekend. I leave for Afghanistan in less than a week and would like to
finish this part before I go. Thanks in advance.
Jake Crause
Pooler, GA
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| Subject: | Re: 801 HS Rib Saga |
Thanks for the suggestions guys.- I would consider sending it back but I'
m on a deadline so a fix would be better.- A fix like Carlos mentioned so
unds like a good plan.- What do you think about cutting away just enough
of the crack to get rid of it - Then add an L bracket on the inside of the
flange that is long enough to have the proper edge distance using the same
holes?- I would rivet-the L bracket-to the web with the same number o
f holes and spacing as used on the flange and spar.=0A-=0AJake Crause=0AP
ooler, Ga=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: 801 HS Rib Saga |
Jake-- How far are you into your project? If just starting, you should
learn to make your own replacement parts, a lot cheaper and saves a lot
of time and frustration.
Fritz--- do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jake Crause
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:33 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 801 HS Rib Saga
Hey guys,
I could use your expert opinion on this one. I was a bone head and
damaged one of my 801 Horizontal Stabilizer ribs to the point I needed
to replace it. So, I sent away for the 32 dollar rib with (gulp) 53
dollar shipping (wasn't expecting that one). Anyway, I got the rib and
installed it where the old one had been. Went very smoothly. I went to
debur the edges and noticed a nice crack in the top rear flange (see
first photo). I'm positive I did not cause the crack because there are
grinding marks that overlap the crack. There are also some pretty deep
tooling marks in that area as well. The only type of pressure I've put
on the rib was to clamp it in place, and my clamps would not reach that
far anyway. It looks to me that it cracked when it was bent in the
form.
Anyhoo, my question is this: Can I remove the area I've marked with a
sharpie in the second photo to remove the crack and continue the
mission? It's a Number 20 hole and edge distance is already an issue
(5mm but should be 8mm) as you can see. The hole on the other side of
the flange has a 5mm edge distance as well. The damaged rib I'm
replacing had correct edge distances so this new rib has a shorter
flange. I emailed Zenair this morning but I think I missed them for the
weekend. I leave for Afghanistan in less than a week and would like to
finish this part before I go. Thanks in advance.
Jake Crause
Pooler, GA
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| Subject: | Lycoming for sale |
I have a friend who is building a 750. He bought a Lycoming 235-C
engine for it and has since changed his mind and it now going with a
Jabiru 3300. The Lycoming is for sale, about 100 hours on it. It is
not certified. Complete with carb, mags, and alternator. Also comes
with a Sensenich prop. He is the type that likes turn key things. He
doesn't weld or do fiberglass. Bottom line is that it is really priced
right, around 7k complete. If anyone is interested let me know off list
at my e-mail address, lrm@skyhawg.com and I will put you in touch.
Larry, N1345L
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| Subject: | Re: 801 HS Rib Saga |
Not too far into it.- My rudder is complete and I'm just getting ready to
finish the Horizontal Stab.- I can't argue with you on that one Fritz.
- I've been looking around locally to find 6061 but have come up-empty
handed.--With Gulfstream-5 miles from my house you would think I coul
d find some.- Everyone I've talked to seems to get it shipped in.--
--- =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: fritz <klond
ike@megalink.net>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, Novemb
er 6, 2009 8:07:09 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 801 HS Rib Saga=0A
=0A=0AJake-- How far are you into your project?- -If just starting, you
should learn to make your own replacement parts, a lot cheaper and saves a
lot of time and frustration.- =0AFritz--- do not archive=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: 801 HS Rib Saga |
Jake, I'm not sure how far away it is from you but Aircraft Spruce is in Peachtree
City, GA. I'm sure they have lost of 6061 in stock
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
Do Not Archive
--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Jake Crause <jakecrause@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Jake Crause <jakecrause@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 801 HS Rib Saga
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Received: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:04 PM
> Not too far into it.
> My rudder is complete and I'm just getting ready to
> finish the Horizontal Stab. I can't argue with you
> on that one Fritz. I've been looking around
> locally to find 6061 but have come upempty
> handed.With Gulfstream5 miles from my
> house you would think I could find some. Everyone
> I've talked to seems to get it shipped
> in.
>
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I have the fence on the horizontal Stab on my 701. I've had them on from
the gitgo so don't really know if they make a difference. Haven't
experienced any fish-tailing though.
Jim Fosse
N329F
101 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: 801 HS Rib Saga |
It's-4 hours away, which is in striking distance if need be.-- About
the equivalent of-90 bucks in shipping (one meal and gas to get there).
- Depending on what I need, it could be worth it.- Zenair occasionally
ships items to AMD which is only a couple of hours north of me.- They hav
e mentioned being able to save on shipping if I wait until they have a ship
ment going that way.- A friend of mine had his CH640 wings sent that way.
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: MacDonald Doug <dou
gsnash@yahoo.com>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, Novemb
er 6, 2009 10:01:17 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 801 HS Rib Saga=0A
.com>=0A=0A=0AJake, I'm not sure how far away it is from you but Aircraft S
pruce is in Peachtree City, GA.- I'm sure they have lost of 6061 in stock
=0A=0ADoug MacDonald=0ACH-701 Scratch Builder=0ANW Ontario, Canada=0A=0ADo
Not Archive=0A=0A--- On Fri, 11/6/09, Jake Crause <jakecrause@yahoo.com> wr
ote:=0A=0A> From: Jake Crause <jakecrause@yahoo.com>=0A> Subject: Re: Zenit
h701801-List: 801 HS Rib Saga=0A> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0A> R
eceived: Friday, November 6, 2009, 8:04 PM=0A> Not too far into it.-=0A>
My rudder is complete and I'm just getting ready to=0A> finish the Horizont
al Stab.- I can't argue with you=0A> on that one Fritz.- I've been look
ing around=0A> locally to find 6061 but have come up-empty=0A> handed.-
-With Gulfstream-5 miles from my=0A> house you would think I could find
some.- Everyone=0A> I've talked to seems to get it shipped=0A> in.--
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| Subject: | Re: 801 HS Rib Saga |
6061 T6 is pretty common. Often used when fabricating aluminum
service truck bodies, semi trailers, etc. Thickness (or lack thereof)
may be a problem though. As a scratch builder, it is also easy for me
to say, Get some material to re-fabricate parts, you will need it. I
agree, it will be worthwhile to learn the skills to fabricate parts.
Otherwise the project will take longer, waiting for parts and will
cost more. Do the 801 plans give enough detail?
BTW That piece does look poor.
Joe
On 6-Nov-09, at 7:04 PM, Jake Crause wrote:
> Not too far into it. My rudder is complete and I'm just getting
> ready to finish the Horizontal Stab. I can't argue with you on
> that one Fritz. I've been looking around locally to find 6061 but
> have come up empty handed. With Gulfstream 5 miles from my house
> you would think I could find some. Everyone I've talked to seems
> to get it shipped in.
>
> From: fritz <klondike@megalink.net>
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, November 6, 2009 8:07:09 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 801 HS Rib Saga
>
> Jake-- How far are you into your project? If just starting, you
> should learn to make your own replacement parts, a lot cheaper and
> saves a lot of time and frustration.
> Fritz--- do not archive
>
>
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