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1. 07:06 AM - Re: 801 Slats (akskydiver)
2. 07:15 AM - Chat Reminder (George Race)
3. 08:16 AM - Re: 801 HS Rib Saga (ricklach)
4. 08:46 AM - Re: 801 Slats (John Swartout)
5. 10:24 AM - Re: 701 wheels and brakes (Stanley A Challgren)
6. 11:34 AM - Re: 801 Slats (Carl)
7. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: 801 HS Rib Saga (Jake Crause)
8. 05:45 PM - Re: 801 Slats (akskydiver)
9. 06:34 PM - Re: 701 wheels and brakes (Les Goldner)
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Thanks Ben,=0AI'm begining to wish I could drill my own is some areas.- I
would make things slower, but I know I could do a better job.=0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@ne
tzero.com>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sun, November 8, 2
009 12:49:40 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 801 Slats=0A=0A=0A=0AI ca
n't help ya with that. When I built my 801 we had to drill all the holes an
d create all slots so some of the panels could work on each side. I do reme
mber that when I mated the inner and outer slats where they telescope toget
her I didn't have the proper edge distance so I made my wing pick up points
different.=0A=0A=0ABen Haas=0AN801BH=0Awww.haaspowerair.com=0A=0A---------
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o: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: 801 Slats
=0ADate: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:22:08 -0800 (PST)=0A=0A=0ALooking for some help
on my slats.- I just finished both sections of the left slat and the rig
ht inboard section.- The right and left inboard slat skins and ribs are d
ifferent.- My question, just to make sure I'm not going crazy is:- Are
the outboard right and left skins supposed to be different too? -The reas
on I am asking is because-my kit came with-two identical outboard slat
skins.- I thought this was wrong so I talked to zenith and had them send
me a right skin.- I opened it up today and it looks just like the other t
wo.- Did they send me another left skin?- If they are supposed to be th
e same, i'm having trouble figuring out how to make the mounting brackets m
atch my right wing using the precut slots for the slat mounting brackets.
- My guess is, I have two extra left skins and no right skin.- If I am
reading the manual wrong, can someone point me in the right direction?=0A
=0AAny help will be greatly appreciated.=0A=0AThanks=0A=0AChane-Burk=0AN8
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| Subject: | Re: 801 HS Rib Saga |
Jake,
If you havent gotten one yet you should get the FAA Publication 43.13-2B, Acceptable
Methods, Techniques, and Practices - Aircraft Alterations. Its the bible
for A&P mechanics to do repair and maintenance on certified aircraft. In it you
should find information for acceptable repair methods for sheet metal and anything
else you might find in aircraft. If you cant find it at your local pilot
shop you can get it at Aircraft Spruce or Sportys. This is a 2-inch thick repair
and maintenance bible for aircraft that everyone building an airplane should
have on the bench when they are working on the project.
Rick
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N35 26.700, W118 16.743
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271702#271702
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Chane,
Left and right, both inboard and outboard sections, should be mirror images
of each other. Obviously the slat brackets on the wing should determine
where the slots should be. You can clamp the slat sections to the wing to
determine the exact amount to overlap the inboard and outboard skins. I had
a very early kit. I think Ben and I started about the same time, and I just
followed the instructions as to where to make the slots, instead of
measuring between the slat brackets on the wing. Like Ben, when I went to
join the inner and outer sections, I found that the skins were not long
enough (either from the outboard slot on the inboard section to the outboard
edge of the skin, or from the inboard slot on the outboard section to the
inboard edge of the skin, or both) to overlap a sufficient distance to
provide correct edge distance for the rivets joining the two together. So
I trimmed the skins to butt together rather than overlap, and made about a
2.5" wide splice piece which fits an inch and a quarter into the ends of
both sections where they butt together.
Are you sure you don't have three right skins?
John
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:22 PM, akskydiver <akskydiver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Looking for some help on my slats. I just finished both sections of the
> left slat and the right inboard section. The right and left inboard slat
> skins and ribs are different. My question, just to make sure I'm not going
> crazy is: Are the outboard right and left skins supposed to be different
> too? The reason I am asking is because my kit came with two identical
> outboard slat skins. I thought this was wrong so I talked to zenith and had
> them send me a right skin. I opened it up today and it looks just like the
> other two. Did they send me another left skin? If they are supposed to be
> the same, i'm having trouble figuring out how to make the mounting brackets
> match my right wing using the precut slots for the slat mounting brackets.
> My guess is, I have two extra left skins and no right skin. If I am reading
> the manual wrong, can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chane Burk
> N801Z reserved
> Everything but half of one slat built on the airframe
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 wheels and brakes |
Les:
I am concerned about the prop clearance with my 701 and am considering
adding the block to the end of the nose gear strut to increase prop
clearance. I would imagine that the 8" nose wheel would result in
increased prop clearance. Do you know if anyone has just added the 8"
nose gear to increase prop clearance? I would guess that it might
result in nose gear first landings but that is pure speculation.
Stan
701/3300
On Nov 7, 2009, at 22:56 , Les Goldner wrote:
> >
>
> I just replaced 6"-wheels and brakes from my 701 with 8" wheels to fit
> larger tires. A builder in a hanger near mine, who is building two
> planes,
> immediately bought my old wheels and brakes and asked me if I know
> of anyone
> else who has a set to sell.
> If anyone wants to sell their 6" wheels and brakes from a 701, pls
> email me,
> lgold@quantum-associates.com.
> Les
>
>
> _-
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Chane,
I built a 701 from scratch in 94 and the right and left skins before
bending could be identical. To bend, you flip one over bend them and
should have one for each side.
If they are bent and are identical then you have a problem unless ZAC
has made major changes to the wing design.
Carl
----- Original Message -----
From: akskydiver
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 7:22 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 801 Slats
Looking for some help on my slats. I just finished both sections of
the left slat and the right inboard section. The right and left inboard
slat skins and ribs are different. My question, just to make sure I'm
not going crazy is: Are the outboard right and left skins supposed to
be different too? The reason I am asking is because my kit came with
two identical outboard slat skins. I thought this was wrong so I talked
to zenith and had them send me a right skin. I opened it up today and
it looks just like the other two. Did they send me another left skin?
If they are supposed to be the same, i'm having trouble figuring out how
to make the mounting brackets match my right wing using the precut slots
for the slat mounting brackets. My guess is, I have two extra left
skins and no right skin. If I am reading the manual wrong, can someone
point me in the right direction?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Chane Burk
N801Z reserved
Everything but half of one slat built on the airframe
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| Subject: | Re: 801 HS Rib Saga |
Yep, I sure do have it and have been looking to it for guidance for this pr
oblem.=C2-=C2-I've used it for some other issues=C2-I=C2-haven't br
ought to the lists attention.=C2- It's a great resource.=C2-=C2-A req
uirement really.=C2- =0A=0AJake =0A=0A________________________________=0A
From: ricklach <rick@ravenaviation.us>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.co
m=0ASent: Sun, November 8, 2009 11:15:48 AM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: R
<rick@ravenaviation.us>=0A=0AJake,=0A=0AIf you haven=C3=A2=82=AC=84
=A2t gotten one yet you should get the FAA Publication 43.13-2B, Acceptable
Methods, Techniques, and Practices - Aircraft Alterations. It=C3=A2=82
=AC=84=A2s the bible for A&P mechanics to do repair and maintenance on c
ertified aircraft. In it you should find information for acceptable repair
methods for sheet metal and anything else you might find in aircraft. If yo
u can=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t find it at your local pilot shop you can get
it at Aircraft Spruce or Sportys. This is a 2-inch thick repair and mainte
nance bible for aircraft that everyone building an airplane should have on
the bench when they are working on the project.=0A=0ARick=0A=0A--------=0A7
01Driver=0AN35 26.700,=C2- W118 16.743=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onli
ne here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=271702#271702
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John, =0AThe kit now comes with two precut slots in each slat skin.- The
manual says the short skin is the inboard skin.- I have both short sectio
ns completed and the one long section I have completed fits the left short
section and left wing.- I'm trying to figure out if it is possible-the
skins I-have are all-right skins, but I can't make the slots match up t
o the right wing or slat section.- I have even thought about trying to ma
ke the short section the outboard.- The problem comes from the distance f
rom the edge to the third slot.- The manual says to measure the distance
between the middle wing brackets and slid the slat sections together to mat
ch it.- With skins I have the distance is about 200mm too short.- I kee
p coming up with the same thing, I have three left skins.=0A=0ACarl, The sk
ins come prebent with the holes prepunched and slots cut from the factory.
- And I came up with the same thing you did, the left and right don't mir
ror eachother.- I was just reaching for straws on an easy/I don't want to
wait for another skin fix.- =0A=0AThanks for the responses...=0A=0AChane
=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: John Swart
out <jgswartout@gmail.com>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Su
n, November 8, 2009 9:45:59 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 801 Slats
=0A=0A=0AChane,=0A=0ALeft and right, both inboard and outboard sections, sh
ould be mirror images of each other.- Obviously the slat brackets on the
wing should determine where the slots should be.--You can clamp the sla
t sections to the wing to determine the exact amount to overlap the inboard
and outboard skins.- I had a very early kit.- I think-Ben and I star
ted about the same time, and I just followed the instructions as to where t
o make the slots, instead of measuring between the slat brackets on the win
g.- Like Ben, when I went to join the inner and outer sections, I found t
hat the skins were not long enough (either-from the outboard-slot-on
the inboard section-to the outboard edge of the skin, or-from the inboa
rd slot on the outboard section to the inboard edge of the skin, or both)
-to overlap a sufficient distance to provide correct edge distance for th
e rivets joining the two together.- So I-trimmed the skins to butt toge
ther rather than overlap, and
made about a 2.5" wide-splice piece which fits an inch and a quarter int
o the ends of both sections where they butt together.=0A=0AAre you sure you
don't have-three right skins?=0A=0AJohn=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7
:22 PM, akskydiver <akskydiver@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0ALooking for some help
on my slats.- I just finished both sections of the left slat and the rig
ht inboard section.- The right and left inboard slat skins and ribs are d
ifferent.- My question, just to make sure I'm not going crazy is:- Are
the outboard right and left skins supposed to be different too? -The reas
on I am asking is because-my kit came with-two identical outboard slat
skins.- I thought this was wrong so I talked to zenith and had them send
me a right skin.- I opened it up today and it looks just like the other t
wo.- Did they send me another left skin?- If they are supposed to be th
e same, i'm having trouble figuring out how to make the mounting brackets m
atch my right wing using the precut slots for the slat mounting brackets.
- My guess is, I have two extra left skins and no right skin.- If I am
reading the manual wrong, can someone point me in the right direction?=0A>
=0A>Any help will be greatly appreciated.=0A>=0A>Thanks=0A>=0A>Chane-Burk
=0A>N801Z reserved=0A>Everything but half of one slat built on the airframe
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| Subject: | 701 wheels and brakes |
Stan,
I'm the wrong guy to ask. Suggest you call the factory or read what
Sebastien had to say at
http://www.zenith.aero/profiles/blogs/testing-larger-bushwheel-tires. I went
over a little hilly area on a grass field last year and dented in my prop
tip, costing $300 to repair (Warpdrive), so I worry a little about this.
But maybe we worry too much. For example, On the way home to Cloverdale Ca.
from Copper State, in Nevada, Doug Dugger mangled the tips of his prop on
his 701 in a dust devil. Doug is very resourceful. Rather than worry how to
get home he simply took a hack saw, carefully cut over an inch from the
three blades on his prop, and kept going. So a "light" prop strike does not
necessarily have to shut you down.
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stanley A
Challgren
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 wheels and brakes
<challgren@mac.com>
Les:
I am concerned about the prop clearance with my 701 and am considering
adding the block to the end of the nose gear strut to increase prop
clearance. I would imagine that the 8" nose wheel would result in
increased prop clearance. Do you know if anyone has just added the 8"
nose gear to increase prop clearance? I would guess that it might
result in nose gear first landings but that is pure speculation.
Stan
701/3300
On Nov 7, 2009, at 22:56 , Les Goldner wrote:
<lgold@quantum-associates.com
> >
>
> I just replaced 6"-wheels and brakes from my 701 with 8" wheels to fit
> larger tires. A builder in a hanger near mine, who is building two
> planes,
> immediately bought my old wheels and brakes and asked me if I know
> of anyone
> else who has a set to sell.
> If anyone wants to sell their 6" wheels and brakes from a 701, pls
> email me,
> lgold@quantum-associates.com.
> Les
>
>
> _-
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