---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/11/09: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:14 AM - Re: stuck (bryanekholm) 2. 05:29 AM - Re: locking fuel cap (fritz) 3. 05:47 AM - Re: stuck (BokKat) 4. 06:25 AM - water heat for the cockpit (LarryMcFarland) 5. 06:36 AM - water heat for the cockpit (LarryMcFarland) 6. 06:43 AM - Re: water heat for the cockpit (n801bh@netzero.com) 7. 08:11 AM - Re: stuck (Roy Szarafinski) 8. 08:43 AM - Re: stuck (Randy L. Thwing) 9. 08:50 AM - Re: stuck (Carlos Sa) 10. 11:35 AM - un-stuck ! (Carlos Sa) 11. 01:13 PM - 701 Upholstery (Chuck Deiterich) 12. 02:23 PM - Re: locking fuel cap (dashwood) 13. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: locking fuel cap (Randy L. Thwing) 14. 03:47 PM - Re: water heat for the cockpit (n801bh@netzero.com) 15. 06:38 PM - Re: 701 Upholstery (Les Goldner) 16. 08:10 PM - Re: water heat for the cockpit (Larry) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: stuck From: "bryanekholm" Try using a little penetrating oil and then either wiggle it out like you were doing or us a punch and rap it out if you can figure out a way to get by the flange on the other side. Bryan Ekholm -------- Bryan Ekholm Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277142#277142 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:46 AM PST US From: "fritz" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: locking fuel cap Is this a case of "damn'd if you do, and damn'd if you don't"? If you lock the cap, there are other ways to get the fuel out, remove the lower tank drain, or use the drain?----- punch a hole in the tank ? Some folks are not aware of the stiff penalties of "messing with aircraft", probably a stupid quesiton, but would a warning sign help????? Feed back----- to lock or not lock ???????? Sorry to hear folks are stooping this low. Fritz--------------- do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "dashwood" Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: locking fuel cap > > > is anyone using locking caps for the wing tanks on a 701 circa 1994. the > opening is 1 1/2 " and is like the old automotive type cap with the two > tabs the go 1/2 turn and hold cap in place. the new plastic ones for autos > are not going to work. my dad had one on his car and i still remember > putting the key into the round chrome cap. that was my job at refueling > time. > had 60L of fuel walk away by itself last night. and a damaged cap as well. > they walked on it and brock off the vent tube. the game has started . they > will be back for a fillup. > > -------- > Ross Aalexander: CH701 driver 912ul 380tt > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277133#277133 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:43 AM PST US From: "BokKat" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: stuck I'd cut it flush with a Dremel tool and that little fiber cutting wheel, then drill it out with a pneumatic right angled drill and put in a new one going right through all layers. If you do enlarge the hole a bit by doing this put in a small doubler plate as a washer. Years ago when I went to build my first airplane another experienced builder told me the number one most important and handy tool to have is a Dremel tool. A couple of airplanes later having worn out 2 or 3 of them I sure agree with him. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Sa To: zenith-list@matronics.com ; zenith701801-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:01 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: stuck This is embarrassing. I am stuck. Literally. See pictures - this is an A6 pop rivet. It won't budge, in or out. Access from the back is rather difficult, as the rear and front rib are already riveted. The A6 is one of the two last rivets in this station. I can remove the rear rib, but that's my last option - and I still will have a stuck A6 after I remove the rear rib. Suggestions? Carlos CH601-HD, plans stuck ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:16 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith701801-List: water heat for the cockpit Hi guys, I'm looking for a best installation of a coolant heater for the cabin. My heat muff works o.k. down to freezing, but I'm looking at components that might offer better cabin warming. Perhaps you Canadians have a list of parts that better describes what you used and how you made connections within the cabin. Even pictures would be nice. Thanks Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:50 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Zenith701801-List: water heat for the cockpit Hi guys, I'm looking for a best installation of a coolant heater for the cabin. My heat muff works o.k. down to freezing, but I'm looking at components that might offer better cabin warming. Perhaps you Canadians have a list of parts that better describes what you used and how you made connections within the cabin. Even pictures would be nice. Thanks Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:17 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: water heat for the cockpit Larry. Let me dig up the info on my coolant cabin heater. I can keep my 801 at 80` when it is -20 outside. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: LarryMcFarland com, zenith701801-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith701801-List: water heat for the cockpit ne.com> Hi guys, I'm looking for a best installation of a coolant heater for the cabin. My heat muff works o.k. down to freezing, but I'm looking at components that might offer better cabin warming. Perhaps you Canadians have a list of parts that better describes what you used and how you made connections within the cabin. Even pictures would be nice. Thanks Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ____________________________________________________________ Auto Loans Click here to save cash and find low rates on auto loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=ldawKg6PvtICnft5VzYR1 AAAJ1HJCPpfjg3mPNA79-KnIlAaAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWI wAAAAA ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:48 AM PST US From: Roy Szarafinski Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: stuck I'd-tap or push the nail in, so the bulge in the nail is through the hole , then-grab the body of the rivet with some locking pliers, -and wiggle , twist and pull. So what, destroy the rivet, the hole will need re-drilled -to accept a new A6, but drilling or hammering from the bulge side with the nail in, expands the rivet, and there is a chance of the drill walking. Save the hole, destroy the rivet.Roy701 etc. --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Carlos Sa wrote: From: Carlos Sa Subject: Zenith701801-List: stuck This is embarrassing. I am stuck. Literally. See pictures - this is an A6 pop rivet. It won't bud ge, in or out. Access from the back is rather difficult, as the rear and front rib are alr eady riveted. The A6 is one of the two last rivets in this station. =0AI can remove the rear rib, but that's my last option - and I still will have a stuck A6 after I remove the rear rib. Suggestions? Carlos CH601-HD, plans stuck =0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:33 AM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: stuck do not archive Just curious Carlos: Is the hole the correct size for the A6? In the pic it looks undersize. Regards, Randy, Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: Roy Szarafinski To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: stuck I'd tap or push the nail in, so the bulge in the nail is through the hole, then grab the body of the rivet with some locking pliers, and wiggle, twist and pull. So what, destroy the rivet, the hole will need re-drilled to accept a new A6, but drilling or hammering from the bulge side with the nail in, expands the rivet, and there is a chance of the drill walking. Save the hole, destroy the rivet. Roy 701 etc. This is embarrassing. I am stuck. Literally. See pictures - this is an A6 pop rivet. It won't budge, in or out. Access from the back is rather difficult, as the rear and front rib are already riveted. The A6 is one of the two last rivets in this station. I can remove the rear rib, but that's my last option - and I still will have a stuck A6 after I remove the rear rib. Suggestions? Carlos CH601-HD, plans stuck ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:33 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: stuck From: Carlos Sa Yes, it is the right size. I did insert with no great difficulty an A6 in the spar bottom hole. >From the replies I got, I believe A6 fit much more snugly than the A4 and A5. Carlos still stuck 2009/12/11 Randy L. Thwing > do not archive > > Just curious Carlos: > > Is the hole the correct size for the A6? In the pic it looks undersize. > > Regards, > > Randy, Las Vegas > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:35:34 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: un-stuck ! From: Carlos Sa Stubborn little bugger !!! I had to support the back of the spar with a 2x4, then hammer the rivet stem until it got through. Then I pulled it from the back with pliers. The remaining material (rivet less the stem) came out easily by pulling from the from, with pliers. Geez, what an experience ! Thanks to all that provided suggestions. Carlos CH601-HD, plans resuming riveting of centre wing. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:53 PM PST US From: "Chuck Deiterich" Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Upholstery Does ZAC still sell upholstery (seat cushions) for the 701? I could not find it on their web site. If so, what is cost? (my homemade ones are getting worn.) Thanks, Chuck D. N701TX ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:48 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: locking fuel cap From: "dashwood" the field is posted with signs and vidio no gates . was too dark a night with blowing snow. manager said this is the first time this has ever happened. Have had a problem with pickups trucks on the runways tearing up the grass but the brains were apprehended. turned out to be the offspring of some the upper class in this town. one of the fathers even had a plane at the field. all were prosecuted. am still looking for alternatives . one suggestion was screens in the filler neck so a siphon will not go in. still leaves the possibility of contamination though. -------- Ross Aalexander: CH701 driver 912ul 380tt Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=277221#277221 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:04 PM PST US From: "Randy L. Thwing" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: locking fuel cap Do not archive Hello Ross: Sorry to hear of your problem. Since you speak of fuel in Litres, I's guessing you're in Canada? What do the Autorities say about investigating? Have you considered these: TimberviewT 1.3 MP Digital Game Scouting Camera. A prepared hunter is a successful hunter! Game Scouting Camera, Click to Zoom Get to know the resident whitetails before you step foot in your stand. This 1.3 MP Digital Camera uses an infrared sensor to detect motion and heat up to 30' away and then snaps a clear, digital photo with time, date and photo number stamp to help you keep track of the area's comings and goings. Comes complete with bungee cords and tree peg design for easy mounting. This is just an example, tons of models are available. Others have infra-red flash for at night. Do an internet search for "game scouting cameras" or "trail cameras" They are around everywhere. I'm about to put one up on my garage for reasons similar to yours. Best of luck, Randy, Las Vegas ----- Original Message ----- From: "dashwood" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 2:23 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: locking fuel cap > > > the field is posted with signs and vidio no gates . was too dark a night > with blowing snow. manager said this is the first time this has ever > happened. Have had a problem with pickups trucks on the runways tearing up > the grass but the brains were apprehended. turned out to be the offspring > of some the upper class in this town. one of the fathers even had a plane > at the field. all were prosecuted. > am still looking for alternatives . one suggestion was screens in the > filler neck so a siphon will not go in. still leaves the possibility of > contamination though. > > -------- > Ross Aalexander: CH701 driver 912ul 380tt ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:02 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: water heat for the cockpit This is the one I used.. Price went up alot since I bought mine but it w orks great and the feature of defroster vents sold me. I can deice my wi ndscreen darn fast too. You can make a heater using a small heater core and a muffin fan but probably not get the BTU's to keep you warm enough. .. http://www.jcwhitney.com/Under_Dash-mount_Heater_with_Defroster_Duct_Hos e?ID=12;0;0;0;100001;ProductName;0;0;0;0;2002939;0;0 Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: LarryMcFarland com, zenith701801-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith701801-List: water heat for the cockpit ne.com> Hi guys, I'm looking for a best installation of a coolant heater for the cabin. My heat muff works o.k. down to freezing, but I'm looking at components that might offer better cabin warming. Perhaps you Canadians have a list of parts that better describes what you used and how you made connections within the cabin. Even pictures would be nice. Thanks Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=sWt_7kwj2cmCIuFD5z2lI gAAJ1HJCPpfjg3mPNA79-KnIlAaAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQ AAAAAA ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:01 PM PST US From: "Les Goldner" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: 701 Upholstery Chuck The west coast Zenith outlet, Quality Sport Planes (http://www.qualitysportplanes.com/), offers nice looking seat cushions. Les From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Deiterich Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Upholstery Does ZAC still sell upholstery (seat cushions) for the 701? I could not find it on their web site. If so, what is cost? (my homemade ones are getting worn.) Thanks, Chuck D. N701TX ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:15 PM PST US From: Larry Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: water heat for the cockpit I use a heater core out of a mid 80s Subaru. It all aluminum with 3/8" barbed fittings, seems strong and very light. I boxed it in with a 12v computer fan and piping for defrosters. It would be very difficult to take pictures now. 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