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4. 08:47 AM - Re: what to build ? (MacDonald Doug)
5. 09:04 AM - Re: what to build ? (frank.goodnight)
6. 10:48 AM - Re: what to build ? (BokKat)
7. 11:49 AM - Re: what to build ? (Les Goldner)
8. 03:54 PM - Re: what to build ? (frank.goodnight)
9. 04:39 PM - Re: what to build ? (kmccune)
10. 06:25 PM - Re: For Sale: CH701 Tail Kit, Merry Christmas (Tommy Walker)
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: CH701 Tail Kit |
Interested, will have some time to come look after the first of Jan.
John
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From: Randy & Anna Carroll
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: For Sale: CH701 Tail Kit
Hi John. I still have the kit. Let me know if you are
interested.
Regards, Randy
--- On Mon, 12/21/09, John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
wrote:
From: John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: For Sale: CH701 Tail Kit
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 8:36 AM
Randy, Sell the kit yet? Thanks John
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From: Randy & Anna Carroll
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:54 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: For Sale: CH701 Tail Kit
Hello,
I need to sell my Zenith CH701 tail kit. The parts are
still wrapped and in the original crate. Also included is the Electric
Trim Tab Kit. The rudder was completed at a factory workshop in 1999. In
recent years, I have not had time to work on the kit and it has just
been taking up room in my garage. Pickup only Humble, TX (Houston).
Original costs: Tail Kit 1210, Electric Trim Kit
230
Price: $500
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: CH701 Tail Kit, Merry Christmas |
Sorry, should have been off list,
as long as I've wasted some bandwidth,
MERRY CHRISTMAS to you guys and girls.
LO&SLO
John
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From: John Bolding
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Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: For Sale: CH701 Tail Kit
Interested, will have some time to come look after the first of Jan.
John
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From: Randy & Anna Carroll
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: For Sale: CH701 Tail Kit
Hi John. I still have the kit. Let me know if you are
interested.
Regards, Randy
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wrote:
From: John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: For Sale: CH701 Tail Kit
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 8:36 AM
Randy, Sell the kit yet? Thanks John
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To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 10:54 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: For Sale: CH701 Tail Kit
Hello,
I need to sell my Zenith CH701 tail kit. The parts
are still wrapped and in the original crate. Also included is the
Electric Trim Tab Kit. The rudder was completed at a factory workshop in
1999. In recent years, I have not had time to work on the kit and it has
just been taking up room in my garage. Pickup only Humble, TX (Houston).
Original costs: Tail Kit 1210, Electric Trim Kit
230
Price: $500
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Hello all,
I'm new to this list. I want to build a 701 or a750 , leaning towards
the 701. Its cheaper
and seems to do, on paper most everything the 750 does except a
little range, load,and
speed. The load and speed are not too important to me but I do need
long range. I fly a Kolb
Firestar 2 with a HKS engine and 200 miles is really pushing it. 55mph
cruise. I'm not sure
how much better, if any a 701 preforms --speed, comfort , noise, short
takeoff ,CLIMB,range etc.
If someone on this list is familiar with both A/C I would really
appreciate your thoughts.
I'm thinking about a jabiru 2200 engine and would like to hear from
anyone that knows anything
about this engine and or 2200 701 combo.
I'm retired and this will likely be the last plane I build so I
would sure like to get it right.
Any thoughts , ideas, comments ,or suggestions will help me to make
the right decision . Thanks.
Frank Goodnight
Brownsville , TX.
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| Subject: | Re: what to build ? |
Frank, I am 90/90% on a scratch 701 project. I am also helping a friend kit build
his 750 Tail kit. I have done demo flights in both factory planes. If I
were starting over today, knowing what I know. I would likely build the 750.
The 701 is a great plane but the 750 is just a little better. The only thing
the 701/912S combo has is a little better short takeoff performance. I don't
know how the 2200 compares to the 912S.
Since you say cost is an issue. You can usually get good mid time O-200s for between
$6000.00 to $10000.00. That will save you significantly on a 750 and tends
to level the field with the 701/2200 choice.
Hope this helps
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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--- On Wed, 12/23/09, frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net> wrote:
> From: frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: what to build ?
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Received: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 10:12 AM
> --> Zenith701801-List message
> posted by: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
>
>
> Hello all,
> I'm new to this list. I want to build a 701 or a750 ,
> leaning towards the 701. Its cheaper
> and seems to do, on paper most everything the 750
> does except a little range, load,and
> speed. The load and speed are not too important to me but I
> do need long range. I fly a Kolb
> Firestar 2 with a HKS engine and 200 miles is really
> pushing it. 55mph cruise. I'm not sure
> how much better, if any a 701 preforms --speed, comfort ,
> noise, short takeoff ,CLIMB,range etc.
> If someone on this list is familiar with both A/C I would
> really appreciate your thoughts.
> I'm thinking about a jabiru 2200 engine and would like to
> hear from anyone that knows anything
> about this engine and or 2200 701 combo.
> I'm retired and this will likely be the last plane I build
> so I would sure like to get it right.
> Any thoughts , ideas, comments ,or suggestions will help me
> to make the right decision . Thanks.
> Frank Goodnight
> Brownsville , TX.
>
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| Subject: | Re: what to build ? |
Thanks for your thoughts Doug.
Frank Goodnight
On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:43 AM, MacDonald Doug wrote:
> >
>
> Frank, I am 90/90% on a scratch 701 project. I am also helping a
> friend kit build his 750 Tail kit. I have done demo flights in both
> factory planes. If I were starting over today, knowing what I
> know. I would likely build the 750. The 701 is a great plane but
> the 750 is just a little better. The only thing the 701/912S combo
> has is a little better short takeoff performance. I don't know how
> the 2200 compares to the 912S.
>
> Since you say cost is an issue. You can usually get good mid time
> O-200s for between $6000.00 to $10000.00. That will save you
> significantly on a 750 and tends to level the field with the
> 701/2200 choice.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 Scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> --- On Wed, 12/23/09, frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net> wrote:
>
>> From: frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
>> Subject: Zenith701801-List: what to build ?
>> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>> Received: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 10:12 AM
>> --> Zenith701801-List message
>> posted by: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>> I'm new to this list. I want to build a 701 or a750 ,
>> leaning towards the 701. Its cheaper
>> and seems to do, on paper most everything the 750
>> does except a little range, load,and
>> speed. The load and speed are not too important to me but I
>> do need long range. I fly a Kolb
>> Firestar 2 with a HKS engine and 200 miles is really
>> pushing it. 55mph cruise. I'm not sure
>> how much better, if any a 701 preforms --speed, comfort ,
>> noise, short takeoff ,CLIMB,range etc.
>> If someone on this list is familiar with both A/C I would
>> really appreciate your thoughts.
>> I'm thinking about a jabiru 2200 engine and would like to
>> hear from anyone that knows anything
>> about this engine and or 2200 701 combo.
>> I'm retired and this will likely be the last plane I build
>> so I would sure like to get it right.
>> Any thoughts , ideas, comments ,or suggestions will help me
>> to make the right decision . Thanks.
>> Frank Goodnight
>> Brownsville , TX.
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: what to build ? |
I agree with Doug. That extra gross and usefulo weight, while keeping it in
the Sport Pilot range, would be nice. I love my 701 and am discovering new
things that it'll do every day. If I were going to start right now,
though, I'd probably go with the 750.
----- Original Message -----
From: "MacDonald Doug" <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: what to build ?
> <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>
> Frank, I am 90/90% on a scratch 701 project. I am also helping a friend
> kit build his 750 Tail kit. I have done demo flights in both factory
> planes. If I were starting over today, knowing what I know. I would
> likely build the 750. The 701 is a great plane but the 750 is just a
> little better. The only thing the 701/912S combo has is a little better
> short takeoff performance. I don't know how the 2200 compares to the
> 912S.
>
> Since you say cost is an issue. You can usually get good mid time O-200s
> for between $6000.00 to $10000.00. That will save you significantly on a
> 750 and tends to level the field with the 701/2200 choice.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 Scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> --- On Wed, 12/23/09, frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net> wrote:
>
>> From: frank.goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
>> Subject: Zenith701801-List: what to build ?
>> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>> Received: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 10:12 AM
>> --> Zenith701801-List message
>> posted by: "frank.goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
>>
>>
>> Hello all,
>> I'm new to this list. I want to build a 701 or a750 ,
>> leaning towards the 701. Its cheaper
>> and seems to do, on paper most everything the 750
>> does except a little range, load,and
>> speed. The load and speed are not too important to me but I
>> do need long range. I fly a Kolb
>> Firestar 2 with a HKS engine and 200 miles is really
>> pushing it. 55mph cruise. I'm not sure
>> how much better, if any a 701 preforms --speed, comfort ,
>> noise, short takeoff ,CLIMB,range etc.
>> If someone on this list is familiar with both A/C I would
>> really appreciate your thoughts.
>> I'm thinking about a jabiru 2200 engine and would like to
>> hear from anyone that knows anything
>> about this engine and or 2200 701 combo.
>> I'm retired and this will likely be the last plane I build
>> so I would sure like to get it right.
>> Any thoughts , ideas, comments ,or suggestions will help me
>> to make the right decision . Thanks.
>> Frank Goodnight
>> Brownsville , TX.
>>
>
>
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Frank,
My 701/Rotax 912ULS was completed in early 2008. I like the extra cabin
space and visibility in the 750, but my thinking is that this is all you get
for the extra bucks. You say range is an issue in the 701. I flew from San
Francisco to Oshkosh this year and range was not at issue. I can stay in the
air for 7-hours at a clip with my optional wing tanks (40-gallons total) and
a jar to piss into. In addition, the 701 is a fully tested design and I
really enjoy getting into very small strips with it.
Les
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Hello all,
I'm new to this list. I want to build a 701 or a750 , leaning towards
the 701. Its cheaper
and seems to do, on paper most everything the 750 does except a
little range, load,and
speed. The load and speed are not too important to me but I do need
long range. I fly a Kolb
Firestar 2 with a HKS engine and 200 miles is really pushing it. 55mph
cruise. I'm not sure
how much better, if any a 701 preforms --speed, comfort , noise, short
takeoff ,CLIMB,range etc.
If someone on this list is familiar with both A/C I would really
appreciate your thoughts.
I'm thinking about a jabiru 2200 engine and would like to hear from
anyone that knows anything
about this engine and or 2200 701 combo.
I'm retired and this will likely be the last plane I build so I
would sure like to get it right.
Any thoughts , ideas, comments ,or suggestions will help me to make
the right decision . Thanks.
Frank Goodnight
Brownsville , TX.
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| Subject: | Re: what to build ? |
I would like to thank everyone that responded to my request for info,
both this list and the kolb list are invaluable resources
for anyone trying to learn. Thanks again.
Frank Goodnight
On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:12 AM, frank.goodnight wrote:
> >
>
>
> Hello all,
> I'm new to this list. I want to build a 701 or a750 , leaning
> towards the 701. Its cheaper
> and seems to do, on paper most everything the 750 does except a
> little range, load,and
> speed. The load and speed are not too important to me but I do need
> long range. I fly a Kolb
> Firestar 2 with a HKS engine and 200 miles is really pushing it.
> 55mph cruise. I'm not sure
> how much better, if any a 701 preforms --speed, comfort , noise,
> short takeoff ,CLIMB,range etc.
> If someone on this list is familiar with both A/C I would really
> appreciate your thoughts.
> I'm thinking about a jabiru 2200 engine and would like to hear from
> anyone that knows anything
> about this engine and or 2200 701 combo.
> I'm retired and this will likely be the last plane I build so I
> would sure like to get it right.
> Any thoughts , ideas, comments ,or suggestions will help me to make
> the right decision . Thanks.
> Frank Goodnight
> Brownsville , TX.
>
>
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I started a 701 plans built in 2008. OK, I got some under the table rib stuff for
the rudder in 2007... to find out if I really wanted to build from plans.
Well its a little later and I now have the rudder, stab and elevator done. I also
have the wing ribs, the aileron ribs and the aileron spar, cabin sides and
a couple of other odds and ends. No it is not like building from a kit, but I
like it and considering the personal and family issues that have happened along
the way, I have to say this is an easy plans build.... ( it is my first so I
really don't know, but it really is pretty easy with all the support out there).
As for the 750, yup a FEW extra lbs usable, wider, taller, more available engines
a little faster as I remember? So if I were building from a kit, starting right
now, I'd order a 750. But the kit was never in the budget with 2 kids about
to enter college.... And the only down side for me in building the 701 is the
oil canning... so add some stiffeners!
Now having said that I am 170 lbs and 5'8", the wife is 5'2" and 1XX lbs... sorry
I like my life. We are not big people , If I were a heavy weight, the 750 would
be the ticket, plans or kit.
Hope this helps
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale: CH701 Tail Kit, Merry Christmas |
Same to you John!
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: what to build ? |
Kevin,
Good post!
Tommy Walker in Alabama
N8701T (my second 7010.
kmccune wrote:
> I started a 701 plans built in 2008. OK, I got some under the table rib stuff
for the rudder in 2007... to find out if I really wanted to build from plans.
> Well its a little later and I now have the rudder, stab and elevator done. I
also have the wing ribs, the aileron ribs and the aileron spar, cabin sides and
a couple of other odds and ends. No it is not like building from a kit, but
I like it and considering the personal and family issues that have happened along
the way, I have to say this is an easy plans build.... ( it is my first so
I really don't know, but it really is pretty easy with all the support out there).
> As for the 750, yup a FEW extra lbs usable, wider, taller, more available engines
a little faster as I remember? So if I were building from a kit, starting
right now, I'd order a 750. But the kit was never in the budget with 2 kids about
to enter college.... And the only down side for me in building the 701 is
the oil canning... so add some stiffeners!
>
> Now having said that I am 170 lbs and 5'8", the wife is 5'2" and 1XX lbs... sorry
I like my life. We are not big people , If I were a heavy weight, the 750
would be the ticket, plans or kit.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Kevin
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N8701 - Anniston, AL
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