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1. 07:26 AM - Re: Radiator shutter (dons701)
2. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Radiator shutter (Gordon)
3. 11:04 AM - Mounting horrizonal stab (philip smith)
4. 12:50 PM - Re: Mounting horrizonal stab (Art Gibeaut)
5. 01:07 PM - Re: 701 with Jabiru (Les Goldner)
6. 05:57 PM - Matco wheel upgrade (Chuck Deiterich)
7. 10:23 PM - How to install the cowling sink plates? (John Marzulli)
8. 11:05 PM - Official Zenith701801-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
9. 11:10 PM - Official Zenith701801-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator shutter |
On this subject of over cooling the oil, has anyone tried or are using a thermostatic
bypass valve ? The oil temp would be regulated within a range that would
be suitable in all conditions. I remember seeing this used in the automotive
aftermarket. The valve was located in the oil filter mounting adapter and maintains
180 degree oil temp, no shutters needed. Don
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Jabiru 2200A #2456 55 hours
Sensenich Wood 64-PJ-36 Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Radiator shutter |
Don,
I installed a oil thermostat that I bought from Lockwood. The oil
temperature gets of to 180 deg. in about 10 minutes even on very cold winter
days here in Vermont. It also maintains 180 deg. when flying in temperatures
that are in the minus numbers, something that I don't think would be
possible without it.
"701 912uls on skis"
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "dons701" <burdon1@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:26 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Radiator shutter
>
> On this subject of over cooling the oil, has anyone tried or are using a
> thermostatic bypass valve ? The oil temp would be regulated within a range
> that would be suitable in all conditions. I remember seeing this used in
> the automotive aftermarket. The valve was located in the oil filter
> mounting adapter and maintains 180 degree oil temp, no shutters needed.
> Don
>
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> Zenith 701 #76120
> Jabiru 2200A #2456 55 hours
> Sensenich Wood 64-PJ-36 Prop
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279594#279594
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| Subject: | Mounting horrizonal stab |
OK you Gurus of 701;
I'm in a quandary on two points:
One - when you figure the elevator deflection up and down. Do you start
from neutral on the top of the elevator and use an electronic level? Or do
you (if your using a level) start from a line from the hinge pin - center of
rotation - to the center of the trailing edge. Don't want to build the jig
as shown on Zenith drawings if I don't have to.
Now the next question - when mounting the horizontal stabilizer to the
fuselage it shows a dimension of 135 mm from the top of the spar - front and
rear - to an A-E reference line. If I do this the lower elevator horn seems
to have a lot of interference to the upper rudder mounting plate. It
shows to "cut out the offending area" but that would really "bite" into the
elevator horn structure in my situation. Can you mount the stab higher to
aviod some of this or what.
Is there a trick that I can't seem to resolve - let me know ASAP - I've
already spent the morning in the shop trying to sort this out.
Thanks
Phil
701 - Buhl ID - only a few more bolts
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| Subject: | Re: Mounting horrizonal stab |
I had the same quandary, but it all worked out in the end. Mounting the horiz.
stab. too high will cause problems later when you install the cables. There won't
be adequate clearance and you'll end up cutting the hole in the front of the
stab. lower.
One of the guys that responded to my problem here advised me NOT to alter the elevator
horn but rather make accommodations with the L angle that it interferred
with and that was the right solution. I just added a backer to the angle and
cut out for clearance.
I made the top of the Horizontal Stab. parallel to the AE line and then measured
my elevator deflections from the top of the stabilizer. The guys here told me
that I'll never see full down deflection anyway so not to worry about it.
They were right and it all worked itself out. It is like a whole series of small
compromises, none too radical, and making sure you are looking far enough ahead
before you make a cut or drill a hole. Good luck and let us know how it works
out.
--- On Fri, 1/1/10, philip smith <madriver@wildblue.net> wrote:
> From: philip smith <madriver@wildblue.net>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Mounting horrizonal stab
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 12:23 PM
> OK you Gurus of 701;
>
> I'm in a quandary on two points:
>
> One - when you figure the elevator deflection up and
> down.Do you start from neutral on the top of the
> elevator and use an electronic level? Or do you (if your
> using a level) start from a line from the hinge pin - center
> of rotation - to the center of the trailing edge.
> Don't want to build the jig as shown on Zenith drawings
> if I don't have to.
>
>
> Now the next question - when mounting the horizontal
> stabilizer to the fuselage it shows a dimension of 135 mm
> from the top of the spar - front and rear - to an A-E
> reference line. IfI do thisthe lower elevator
> hornseems to have a lot of interference to the upper
> rudder mounting plate. It shows to "cut out the
> offending area" but that would really "bite"
> into the elevator horn structure in my situation. Can you
> mount the stab higher to aviod some of this or what.
>
>
> Is there a trick that I can't seem to resolve -
> let me know ASAP - I've already spent the morning in the
> shop trying to sort this out.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil
>
> 701 - Buhl ID - only a few more bolts
>
>
>
>
>
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I have no first-hand experience with Jabiru, but at AirVenture met a guy who
said he runs a big flying school Australia. He told me that he had to pull
out the Jabiru engines from all of his planes because of bad performance and
because Jabiru did not standing behind their product. I think he said that
they were 100 or 120 HP, but am not certain of this.
Les
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[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
frank.goodnight
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 with Jabiru
<frank.goodnight@att.net>
I hope you get some good answers, I'm thinking about the same thing .
So far I haven't been able to get much info. I"ve tried jabiru usa
about the engine, but they won't
even answer my e mail much less give me the TBO and other info i've
asked for, makes me wonder how much service I would get if I bought
their engine.
Good luck.
Frank Goodnight
Brownsville , TX.
On Dec 31, 2009, at 10:49 AM, rogwibb wrote:
>
> Is anyone on this forum flying a 701 with a Jabiru 2200, preferably
> without slats, and VG's on the wings and elevator. I'm about 30%
> complete, and am leaning towards this configuration, but would like
> any airspeeds that you have been experiencing such as stall speed,
> and approach. I don't want to hurt myself the first time around the
> pattern.
>
> Roger
> Atwater, Ca.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=279422#279422
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| Subject: | Matco wheel upgrade |
Are any of you 701/750/801 drivers upgrading to the new Matco rims?
I am trying to decide if it is really a safety issue.
Chuck D.
N701TX
Jab 2200
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| Subject: | How to install the cowling sink plates? |
There are some details lacking in the Zenith instructions for the new style
FFW cowling install. ;-)
I have my cowling clecoed on, but am not sure about how to use the sink
plates.
Based on the instructions/HBH video, it seems like the process is this:
1) Get the cowling positioned and clecoed together.
2) Drill out the forward four holes where the split pieces join
A) to AN5 on the top piece ( to let the washers rest "counter sunk" )
B) to AN3 on the bottom piece
3) Attach the nutplates to the bottom half.
So based on this I have a few questions
1) How do I keep the cowling lip as nicely aligned as I have it now? I would
guess that since the holes are a little large that there is some slack.
2) Since the recieving shaft of the nutplate is larger than AN3, I will
assume that the plate gets riveted to the inside. What is the best procedure
for drilling the holes for the rivets without loosing alignment?
3) I am supposed to countersink the rivets for the nutplate. How do you
countersink thin fiberglass like this? Making a dimple seems like a bad
idea. Using a drilling reamer/countersink seems worse. The directions call
for the holes to be enlarged to #30, but not which rivets to use. The soft
brass A3s fit without enlarging, but the dome head would cause a poor fit...
Many thanks in advance,
John Marzulli
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://MarzulliPhoto.net/
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Official Zenith701801-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Zenith701801-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Zenith701801-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Zenith701801-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
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Failure to use the Zenith701801-List in the manner described below may result
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Zenith701801-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Zenith701801-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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