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1. 06:51 AM - Re: Re: C of G and a heavy nose... (Chris Blackmore)
2. 09:15 AM - GP 1915 VW with Valley Redrive (Steve Dixon)
3. 09:30 AM - Re: Zenith701801- Looking to buy. (Chris Blackmore)
4. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Zenith701801- Looking to buy. (Chris Blackmore)
5. 10:00 AM - Fw: GP 1915 VW with Valley Redrive (Steve Dixon)
6. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: C of G and a heavy nose... (JG)
7. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: C of G and a heavy nose... (Chris Blackmore)
8. 12:47 PM - Re: C of G and a heavy nose... (jetboy)
9. 01:47 PM - Any graphic designers on the list? (John Marzulli)
10. 02:50 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Any graphic designers on the list? (Larry McFarland)
11. 03:53 PM - Re: C of G and a heavy nose... (pipross)
12. 06:32 PM - Bolts for Rotax motor mount to firewall (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: C of G and a heavy nose... |
I was just wondering if anyone has tried to put a jack screw like the one
s
found on the pa 18 , Navion and others, it sounds like a slick way to tri
m
the tail, I know I shall be needing the weight back there anyway
Chris
-------Original Message-------
From: JG
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: C of G and a heavy nose...
The slats don't bring the center of lift forward. A bit surprising I kno
w,
but tested over and over again, that removing the slats caused no change
in
trim.
See the testing and results at www.stolspeed.com
There's a whole new set of tests there, comparing the performance with
slats/no slats.
JG
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| Subject: | GP 1915 VW with Valley Redrive |
Hello,
I am the new owner of a GP 1915 VW with a 1.6:1 Valley Redrive. I
wondered if anyone else here had this powerplant on their 701, and what
their opinion of it was?
Thanks,
Steve Dixon
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith701801- Looking to buy. |
Just wondering if there are any builders in Western Canada or NW Sta
tes
that have had enough and would like to part with their Fuselage and may b
e
fuel tanks. Also a 100hp Rotax would make my day so to speak, I just don
't
seem to be able to find the time anymore!
Chris
blackmore@platinum.ca
Calgary AB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith701801- Looking to buy. |
Sorry, forgot to say for a 701
-------Original Message-------
From: Chris Blackmore
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Zenith701801- Looking to buy.
Just wondering if there are any builders in Western Canada or NW Sta
tes
that have had enough and would like to part with their Fuselage and may b
e
fuel tanks. Also a 100hp Rotax would make my day so to speak, I just don
't
seem to be able to find the time anymore!
Chris
blackmore@platinum.ca
Calgary AB
Canada
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| Subject: | Fw: GP 1915 VW with Valley Redrive |
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Dixon
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 9:39 PM
Subject: GP 1915 VW with Valley Redrive
Hello,
I am the new owner of a GP 1915 VW with a 1.6:1 Valley Redrive. I
wondered if anyone else here had this powerplant on their 701, and what
their opinion of it was?
Thanks,
Steve Dixon
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| Subject: | Re: C of G and a heavy nose... |
Changing the incidence of the horizontal stab works for trimming at cruise
speeds, but loses effectiveness at the very slow landing speeds of these
aircraft. So, the nose will still come down heavily on touch down, or even
before, when the weight and balance overcomes the diminishing aerodynamic
forces.....
JG
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Chris Blackmore <blackmore@platinum.ca>wrote:
> I was just wondering if anyone has tried to put a jack screw like the
> ones found on the pa 18 , Navion and others, it sounds like a slick way to
> trim the tail, I know I shall be needing the weight back there anyway
> Chris
>
> *-------Original Message-------*
>
> *From:* JG <vgstol@bigpond.net.au>
> *Date:* 19/01/2010 9:46:27 PM
> *To:* zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: C of G and a heavy nose...
>
> The slats don't bring the center of lift forward. A bit surprising I know,
> but tested over and over again, that removing the slats caused no change in
> trim.
> See the testing and results at www.stolspeed.com
> There's a whole new set of tests there, comparing the performance with
> slats/no slats.
>
> JG
> *
> *
>
>
> *
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>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: C of G and a heavy nose... |
Thanks, just learning!!, and still looking for an orphaned fuselage .
-------Original Message-------
From: JG
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: C of G and a heavy nose...
Changing the incidence of the horizontal stab works for trimming at cruis
e
speeds, but loses effectiveness at the very slow landing speeds of these
aircraft. So, the nose will still come down heavily on touch down, or ev
en
before, when the weight and balance overcomes the diminishing aerodynamic
forces.....
JG
On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Chris Blackmore <blackmore@platinum.ca>
wrote:
I was just wondering if anyone has tried to put a jack screw like the one
s
found on the pa 18 , Navion and others, it sounds like a slick way to tri
m
the tail, I know I shall be needing the weight back there anyway
Chris
-------Original Message-------
From: JG
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: C of G and a heavy nose...
The slats don't bring the center of lift forward. A bit surprising I kno
w,
but tested over and over again, that removing the slats caused no change
in
trim.
See the testing and results at www.stolspeed.com
There's a whole new set of tests there, comparing the performance with
slats/no slats.
JG
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| Subject: | Re: C of G and a heavy nose... |
Ross:
Notwithstanding my opinion that the most important thing is to ensure the weight/balance
is within design limits for TC 10141E compliance, and a "701" without
the slats is NOT, you may get sufficient elevator authority with power off by
installing the elevator VG kit from Zenair.
They have some videos of a set being trialled which is quite impressive.
Ralph
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283122#283122
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| Subject: | Any graphic designers on the list? |
So far the harderst part of this project has not involved drills, metal,
wire, batterys, color of Scotch Brite, rivets or clecos or even the Matco
tubeless tires. I have been working on my paint design. This has been an
interesting process filled with frustration.
There are two ideas that I have been iterating on. The first is the one that
I want to make work, but have been having problems getting to look "right":
http://marzulliphoto.net/photos/771236046_Vk8F4-L.jpg
It is based on Costal Salish art. The goal was to make a highly visible
aircraft that would stand out against the water, trees and mountains of the
area while using traditional NW Indian colors.
The concept is very appealing to me, but I am really having a hard time
getting it tied together.
The other design a "backup" based on D-Day invasion stripes and a shark's
mouth: http://marzulliphoto.net/photos/765696683_m7jdv-M.jpg
If anyone has some knowledge of graphic design or Costal Salish art, please
contact me. If you have any ideas on how to make the design better, please
share them.
Full gallery of the previous ( failed ) design iterations:
http://marzulliphoto.net/Airplanes/Paint-Scheme-Doodles/10933935_Auwde/1/771236046_Vk8F4
Many thanks in advance!
John Marzulli
98% done, only 192% more to go. Moving it to the airport in March!
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ <http://701builder.blogspot.com/>
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| Subject: | Re: Any graphic designers on the list? |
John,
I like your first iteration as it's something I've not seen before.
Going forward, I'd suggest the paint be one that can be easily touched
up. The colors, if in a urethane
hard finish, be a compatible type of paint that offers a matching color.
The hardest colors to match are seldom found in small spray bottles. If
not a urethane,
a acrylic enamel per Bingilis book recommendations. I picked an off
pale yellow which has been hard to match with a compatible touch-up and
the original process
was a very intensive operation I'd not like to repeat. Just a thought.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
John Marzulli wrote:
> So far the harderst part of this project has not involved drills,
> metal, wire, batterys, color of Scotch Brite, rivets or clecos or even
> the Matco tubeless tires. I have been working on my paint design. This
> has been an interesting process filled with frustration.
>
> There are two ideas that I have been iterating on. The first is the
> one that I want to make work, but have been having problems getting to
> look "right": http://marzulliphoto.net/photos/771236046_Vk8F4-L.jpg
>
> It is based on Costal Salish art. The goal was to make a highly
> visible aircraft that would stand out against the water, trees and
> mountains of the area while using traditional NW Indian colors.
>
> The concept is very appealing to me, but I am really having a hard
> time getting it tied together.
>
>
> The other design a "backup" based on D-Day invasion stripes and a
> shark's mouth: http://marzulliphoto.net/photos/765696683_m7jdv-M.jpg
>
> If anyone has some knowledge of graphic design or Costal Salish art,
> please contact me. If you have any ideas on how to make the design
> better, please share them.
>
>
> Full gallery of the previous ( failed ) design iterations:
> http://marzulliphoto.net/Airplanes/Paint-Scheme-Doodles/10933935_Auwde/1/771236046_Vk8F4
>
> Many thanks in advance!
> John Marzulli
>
> 98% done, only 192% more to go. Moving it to the airport in March!
>
> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ <http://701builder.blogspot.com/>
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: C of G and a heavy nose... |
Thanks Ralph, I already have VG's on the wings and the elevator
Ross
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=283144#283144
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| Subject: | Bolts for Rotax motor mount to firewall |
I have the old bed-style motor mount. I'm surprised that the lower four
corners (as opposed to the top center brace) fasten to the firewall with
mere AN3 bolts. I thought it was a mistake in my fourth-hand kit but that is
what the plans show too. What size bolts hold the newer ring-style mount to
the firewall? Can anyone see any downside to stepping up to AN4?
-- Craig
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