---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/02/10: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:55 AM - Chat Reminder (George Race) 2. 06:29 AM - a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted (ejessee) 3. 06:30 AM - Re: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted (ejessee) 4. 07:43 AM - Re: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted (NYTerminat@aol.com) 5. 08:11 AM - Re: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted (ricklach) 6. 09:03 AM - Re: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted (JohnDRead@aol.com) 7. 11:54 AM - Re: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted (Craig Payne) 8. 11:56 AM - Re: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted (Craig Payne) 9. 07:49 PM - Re: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted (NYTerminat@aol.com) 10. 08:51 PM - Re: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:01 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Chat Reminder Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ DO NOT ENTER ANY PASSWORD, JUST YOUR USER NAME CHOICE Check out my line of items for Experimental Airplane Builders My Products: http://www.mykitairplane.com/Products/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:40 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted From: "ejessee" Hello all, I was flying this weekend in the beautiful Appalachian mountains. I landed at an old friends strip. I had a good landing. As a matter of fact, I have had no "rough landings" in a while. He wasn't home. Upon takeoff with 2 adults and just as I rotated to lift off, I heard a horrific noise. My first though was that I had dragged the tail, but I didn't think I had rotated that severely. Perhaps there was some obstruction that I hit. I had just landed on that strip and it was asphault. Maybe a dog came out on me. I don't know what happened, but I soon discovered that my gear was not hanging straight. I flew back to KJFZ and with my sister holding a fire-extinquisher and both of us praying, I had a gear-up landing in my 701. I am a man of faith. I was scared out of my mind. God landed it this time and boy is he a good pilot. The pictures attached are not staged. This where she stopped. Afterword, I went to lowes and bought an angel grinder, a drill, a piece of angle, and some rubber hose. I put her back on her gear with the help of 2 beefy newphews. Friends, there isn't a scratch on her except the bolts were severely bent on the right strut backet, tie-down loop was bent, and the bolt heads were ground off the rudder horn attachments. The rudder horn is bent a bit and thus I will replace it I left here in Virginia until I get a new right strut bracket, some new AN bolts, and a new rudder horn. I thought it best to drive back from Virginia anyway and let my nerves settle before I took back to the air. I have included pictures of the plane where she rested and of the rubber spacers and aluminum brackets holding the sandwich together. The rubber is old -- I should have replaced it earlier. Could this rubber being old have caused this? Maybe this post will save someones live. Check those spacers. They are very important. The Psalmist wrote: ... Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there;... If I rise on the wings of the dawn,... even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. -------- Ernest Jessee N4931M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307178#307178 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img00004_20100730_1458_406.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:42 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted From: "ejessee" couldn't get the 2nd pic on the original... here are the spacers and brackets. -------- Ernest Jessee N4931M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307179#307179 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/0802100852_199.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:14 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted Ernest, Thanks for sharing your story and giving credit to the Lord. I have always had problems with those rubber spacers breaking down and wearing out and allowing the gear to loosen up to the point it would rock back and forth. I solved the issue with using the sidewall of a truck tire for spacers and have not had any issues since. I am glad that you and your sister are safe. The links for the pictures are not valid and I was unable to open them up. Bob Spudis N701ZX/ CH701/ 912S/ 186hrs --> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "ejessee" Hello all, I was flying this weekend in the beautiful Appalachian mountains. I landed at an old friends strip. I had a good landing. As a matter of fact, I have had no "rough landings" in a while. He wasn't home. Upon takeoff with 2 adults and just as I rotated to lift off, I heard a horrific noise. My first though was that I had dragged the tail, but I didn't think I had rotated that severely. Perhaps there was some obstruction that I hit. I had just landed on that strip and it was asphault. Maybe a dog came out on me. I don't know what happened, but I soon discovered that my gear was not hanging straight. I flew back to KJFZ and with my sister holding a fire-extinquisher and both of us praying, I had a gear-up landing in my 701. I am a man of faith. I was scared out of my mind. God landed it this time and boy is he a good pilot. The pictures attached are not staged. This where she stopped. Afterword, I went to lowes and bought an angel grinder, a drill, a piece of angle, and some rubber hose. I put her back on her gear with the help of 2 beefy newphews. Friends, there isn't a scratch on her except the bolts were severely bent on the right strut backet, tie-down loop was bent, and the bolt heads were ground off the rudder horn attachments. The rudder horn is bent a bit and thus I will replace it I left here in Virginia until I get a new right strut bracket, some new AN bolts, and a new rudder horn. I thought it best to drive back from Virginia anyway and let my nerves settle before I took back to the air. I have included pictures of the plane where she rested and of the rubber spacers and aluminum brackets holding the sandwich together. The rubber is old -- I should have replaced it earlier. Could this rubber being old have caused this? Maybe this post will save someones live. Check those spacers. They are very important. The Psalmist wrote: ... Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there;... If I rise on the wings of the dawn,... even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. -------- Ernest Jessee N4931M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307178#307178 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img00004_20100730_1458_406.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:47 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted From: "ricklach" I replace the gear mount rubbers every annual with truck side walls like Bob, because I fly out of dirt strips most of the time. I also found that the cheese "L" bracket like yours didn't last very long either. So I replaced it with a piece of 1/2 thick 6060-T6 and that cured the bracket problem. With this maintenance program and the thick bracket I have had no problems for the last three years. I feel very secure now flying out of rough dirts strips. Rick -------- 701Driver N35 26.700, W118 16.743 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307187#307187 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:29 AM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted Zenith has a urethane part for the UC cushions which does not rot. Regards, John CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300 Cell: 719-494-4567 Home: 303-648-3261 In a message dated 8/2/2010 8:43:23 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, NYTerminat@aol.com writes: Ernest, Thanks for sharing your story and giving credit to the Lord. I have always had problems with those rubber spacers breaking down and wearing out and allowing the gear to loosen up to the point it would rock back and forth. I solved the issue with using the sidewall of a truck tire for spacers and have not had any issues since. I am glad that you and your sister are safe. The links for the pictures are not valid and I was unable to open them up. Bob Spudis N701ZX/ CH701/ 912S/ 186hrs --> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "ejessee" Hello all, I was flying this weekend in the beautiful Appalachian mountains. I landed at an old friends strip. I had a good landing. As a matter of fact, I have had no "rough landings" in a while. He wasn't home. Upon takeoff with 2 adults and just as I rotated to lift off, I heard a horrific noise. My first though was that I had dragged the tail, but I didn't think I had rotated that severely. Perhaps there was some obstruction that I hit. I had just landed on that strip and it was asphault. Maybe a dog came out on me. I don't know what happened, but I soon discovered that my gear was not hanging straight. I flew back to KJFZ and with my sister holding a fire-extinquisher and both of us praying, I had a gear-up landing in my 701. I am a man of faith. I was scared out of my mind. God landed it this time and boy is he a good pilot. The pictures attached are not staged. This where she stopped. Afterword, I went to lowes and bought an angel grinder, a drill, a piece of angle, and some rubber hose. I put her back on her gear with the help of 2 beefy newphews. Friends, there isn't a scratch on her except the bolts were severely bent on the right strut backet, tie-down loop was bent, and the bolt heads were ground off the rudder horn attachments. The rudder horn is bent a bit and thus I will replace it I left here in Virginia until I get a new right strut bracket, some new AN bolts, and a new rudder horn. I thought it best to drive back from Virginia anyway and let my nerves settle before I took back to the air. I have included pictures of the plane where she rested and of the rubber spacers and aluminum brackets holding the sandwich together. The rubber is old -- I should have replaced it earlier. Could this rubber being old have caused this? Maybe this post will save someones live. Check those spacers. They are very important. The Psalmist wrote: ... Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there;... If I rise on the wings of the dawn,... even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. -------- Ernest Jessee N4931M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307178#307178 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img00004_20100730_1458_406.jp=========== ============ = Use utilities Day ================================================ - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ================================================ - List Contribution Web Site sp; ================================================== (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:26 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted This is what Caleb at Zenith wrote a few weeks back: "We supply polyurethane blocks for the rubber spacers now, the part number is 7L2-2A/1. We use those blocks on both top and bottom. We have gotten a lot better life out of the polyurethane than we ever have using rubber. They should be a drop in replacement for the rubber that you have." They are $6.50 each and you need four. -- Craig _____ From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JohnDRead@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:03 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted Zenith has a urethane part for the UC cushions which does not rot. Regards, John CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300 Cell: 719-494-4567 Home: 303-648-3261 In a message dated 8/2/2010 8:43:23 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, NYTerminat@aol.com writes: Ernest, Thanks for sharing your story and giving credit to the Lord. I have always had problems with those rubber spacers breaking down and wearing out and allowing the gear to loosen up to the point it would rock back and forth. I solved the issue with using the sidewall of a truck tire for spacers and have not had any issues since. I am glad that you and your sister are safe. The links for the pictures are not valid and I was unable to open them up. Bob Spudis N701ZX/ CH701/ 912S/ 186hrs Hello all, I was flying this weekend in the beautiful Appalachian mountains. I landed at an old friends strip. I had a good landing. As a matter of fact, I have had no "rough landings" in a while. He wasn't home. Upon takeoff with 2 adults and just as I rotated to lift off, I heard a horrific noise. My first though was that I had dragged the tail, but I didn't think I had rotated that severely. Perhaps there was some obstruction that I hit. I had just landed on that strip and it was asphault. Maybe a dog came out on me. I don't know what happened, but I soon discovered that my gear was not hanging straight. I flew back to KJFZ and with my sister holding a fire-extinquisher and both of us praying, I had a gear-up landing in my 701. I am a man of faith. I was scared out of my mind. God landed it this time and boy is he a good pilot. The pictures attached are not staged. This where she stopped. Afterword, I went to lowes and bought an angel grinder, a drill, a piece of angle, and some rubber hose. I put her back on her gear with the help of 2 beefy newphews. Friends, there isn't a scratch on her except the bolts were severely bent on the right strut backet, tie-down loop was bent, and the bolt heads were ground off the rudder horn attachments. The rudder horn is bent a bit and thus I will replace it I left here in Virginia until I get a new right strut bracket, some new AN bolts, and a new rudder horn. I thought it best to drive back from Virginia anyway and let my nerves settle before I took back to the air. I have included pictures of the plane where she rested and of the rubber spacers and aluminum brackets holding the sandwich together. The rubber is old -- I should have replaced it earlier. Could this rubber being old have caused this? Maybe this post will save someones live. Check those spacers. They are very important. The Psalmist wrote: ... Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there;... If I rise on the wings of the dawn,... even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. -------- Ernest Jessee N4931M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307178#307178 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img00004_20100730_1458_406.jp=========== ============ = Use utilities Day ================================================ - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ================================================ - List Contribution Web Site sp; ================================================== =================================== List href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List =================================== ms.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com =================================== tp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution =================================== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:06 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted If the link to the attachments doesn't work (like it didn't for me) just follow the link below "Read this topic online here:" and scroll down: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307178#307178 -- Craig _____ From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NYTerminat@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:42 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted Ernest, Thanks for sharing your story and giving credit to the Lord. I have always had problems with those rubber spacers breaking down and wearing out and allowing the gear to loosen up to the point it would rock back and forth. I solved the issue with using the sidewall of a truck tire for spacers and have not had any issues since. I am glad that you and your sister are safe. The links for the pictures are not valid and I was unable to open them up. Bob Spudis N701ZX/ CH701/ 912S/ 186hrs Hello all, I was flying this weekend in the beautiful Appalachian mountains. I landed at an old friends strip. I had a good landing. As a matter of fact, I have had no "rough landings" in a while. He wasn't home. Upon takeoff with 2 adults and just as I rotated to lift off, I heard a horrific noise. My first though was that I had dragged the tail, but I didn't think I had rotated that severely. Perhaps there was some obstruction that I hit. I had just landed on that strip and it was asphault. Maybe a dog came out on me. I don't know what happened, but I soon discovered that my gear was not hanging straight. I flew back to KJFZ and with my sister holding a fire-extinquisher and both of us praying, I had a gear-up landing in my 701. I am a man of faith. I was scared out of my mind. God landed it this time and boy is he a good pilot. The pictures attached are not staged. This where she stopped. Afterword, I went to lowes and bought an angel grinder, a drill, a piece of angle, and some rubber hose. I put her back on her gear with the help of 2 beefy newphews. Friends, there isn't a scratch on her except the bolts were severely bent on the right strut backet, tie-down loop was bent, and the bolt heads were ground off the rudder horn attachments. The rudder horn is bent a bit and thus I will replace it I left here in Virginia until I get a new right strut bracket, some new AN bolts, and a new rudder horn. I thought it best to drive back from Virginia anyway and let my nerves settle before I took back to the air. I have included pictures of the plane where she rested and of the rubber spacers and aluminum brackets holding the sandwich together. The rubber is old -- I should have replaced it earlier. Could this rubber being old have caused this? Maybe this post will save someones live. Check those spacers. They are very important. The Psalmist wrote: ... Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there;... If I rise on the wings of the dawn,... even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast. -------- Ernest Jessee N4931M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307178#307178 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img00004_20100730_1458_406.jp=========== ============ = Use utilities Day ================================================ - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ================================================ - List Contribution Web Site sp; ================================================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:21 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted Craig, I get the feeling that there was another picture that he tried to post other than the parts. Bob Spudis In a message dated 8/2/2010 2:56:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, craig@craigandjean.com writes: If the link to the attachments doesn't work (like it didn't for me) just follow the link below "Read this topic online here:" and scroll down: _http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307178#307178_ (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307178) -- Craig ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:53 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted I think you are right but at least this gives us one. -- Craig _____ From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NYTerminat@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: a close call -- rubber spacers dry-rotted Craig, I get the feeling that there was another picture that he tried to post other than the parts. Bob Spudis In a message dated 8/2/2010 2:56:17 P.M. 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