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1. 04:29 AM - Re: Zenith701801-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/04/10 (Brett Hanley)
2. 07:20 AM - replacing a strut fitting (ejessee)
3. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Zenith701801-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/04/10 (JohnDRead@aol.com)
4. 10:25 AM - Re: replacing a strut fitting (JohnDRead@aol.com)
5. 03:41 PM - Re: replacing a strut fitting (Ralph Sharp)
6. 05:07 PM - Re: replacing a strut fitting (Flydog1966@aol.com)
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I know this is not the 750 list buty I neeed a little advice and that list
is dead.- Not sure why they have thier own any way.
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I am building a 750 with a 0-200 Continental.- Any one on the list have a
recomendation for a prop.- I will be tied down outside part of the year
so wood is out of the question.
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Time: 06:38:04 AM PST US
From: Ryan Vechinski <brothapig@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Riveting wing skeleton
I would just like some confirmation as to when to rivet the wing skeleton t
ogether.
Currently=2C I have the right wing skeleton 99% done=2C and am ready to
mov
e onto the skins.- I believe I am able to rivet the skeleton together at
th
is point=2C and this would be my preference=2C because I believe the ri
vets
hold stronger than clecos.- However=2C is there anything to watch out f
or
if I did this?- Anything that would become a problem in the future while
do
ing the wing skins if the skeleton is riveted together?
I have gotten by yearly "kick in the butt" to get going on my airplane agai
n.- Seems that always happens after AirVenture :) --- ----
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From: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Riveting wing skeleton
Ryan, it's been a couple of years for me but I think you are right about ri
veting your wing skeleton before heading on to the skins.- I don't remebe
r any gotchas doing it that way.
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From: Ryan Vechinski <brothapig@hotmail.com>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Riveting wing skeleton
Received: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 8:37 AM
I would just like some confirmation as to when to rivet the wing skeleton t
ogether.
Currently, I have the right wing skeleton 99% done, and am ready to move on
to the skins.- I believe I am able to rivet the skeleton together at this
point, and this would be my preference, because I believe the rivets hold
stronger than clecos.- However, is there anything to watch out for if I d
id this?- Anything that would become a problem in the future while doing
the wing skins if the skeleton is riveted together?
-
I have gotten by yearly "kick in the butt" to get going on my airplane agai
n.- Seems that always happens after AirVenture :)
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From: "BobKat" <bobkat@btinet.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Riveting wing skeleton
Good job, Ryan.- Just going from memory here, but I think you have to
rivet the wing skeleton together before you lay out and mark the skins.-
Rivet the skeleton, then put on the bottom skin, then the tank or
tanks, then the requisit wiring and pitot tube hardware with slat and
flaperon hangers,- then lastly the- trailing edge skins, leading edge,
then the top wing skins.---Something like that, anyway.
If you try to rivet the skeleton while fighting the wing skins you will
likely have a heck of a time riveting in those small spaces.-
From: Ryan Vechinski
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:37 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Riveting wing skeleton
I would just like some confirmation as to when to rivet the wing
skeleton together.
Currently, I have the right wing skeleton 99% done, and am ready to move
onto the skins.- I believe I am able to rivet the skeleton together at
this point, and this would be my preference, because I believe the
rivets hold stronger than clecos.- However, is there anything to watch
out for if I did this?- Anything that would become a problem in the
future while doing the wing skins if the skeleton is riveted together?
I have gotten by yearly "kick in the butt" to get going on my airplane
again.- Seems that always happens after AirVenture :)
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Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Riveting wing skeleton
From: "bryanekholm" <ekholmbk@lakedalelink.net>
I just completed my right wing.- The only parts you need to worry about n
ot attaching
permanently to the wing skeleton are the front strut attach point and
the tie down ring.- It just makes it a little easier when you are strappi
ng on
the leading edge skin.
Bryan Ekholm
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Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Riveting wing skeleton
From: ruruny@aol.com
My fuel tanks, main and aux on each wing, had a lip where the welding was
done. It was a pain to remove and install them.
You can rivet the entire skeleton, but I left clecos in the rear channels
behind the tank and the channels that are right behind
the tank/tanks. Just made things easier.
Brian
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Hello,
Per my incident with the worn-out rubber spacers, I have to replace the strut fitting
on the right side of my 701. I ordered one from Zenith, had it shipped
next day air, and will have it painted tonight for installation on Saturday morning
at KJFZ.
I am not the builder, so I am not intimately familiar with the attachment of the
piece. I have a few questions I would appreciate help with.
1. Per the drawings, It looks like there are screws from the sides of the gear
channel into the little fingers that insert parallel to the gear channel. Are
these screws or bucked rivets.
2. Will I be able to access all the screws that hold the fitting in place by opening
the access panel or will I need to remove the passenger seat panel?
3. anyone ever done this? If so, any tips on jacking up the plane for the operation?
Thanks for your help.
By the way, I also purchased a complete set of the "rubber" spacers now supplied
by Zenith, they look like they should work and last much better. I hope so.
--------
Ernest Jessee
N4931M
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307630#307630
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Brett;
Have you tried asking Zenith? I believe that is one of the engines
they recommend so they should have a suggestion for a suitable prop.
Regards, John
CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
Cell: 719-494-4567
Home: 303-648-3261
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I know this is not the 750 list buty I neeed a little advice and that list
is dead. Not sure why they have thier own any way.
I am building a 750 with a 0-200 Continental. Any one on the list have a
recomendation for a prop. I will be tied down outside part of the year so
wood is out of the question.
Brett
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1. 06:38 AM - Riveting wing skeleton (Ryan Vechinski)
2. 07:20 AM - Re: Riveting wing skeleton (MacDonald Doug)
3. 07:33 AM - Re: Riveting wing skeleton (BobKat)
4. 10:05 AM - Re: Riveting wing skeleton (bryanekholm)
5. 01:42 PM - Re: Riveting wing skeleton (_ruruny@aol.com_
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________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 06:38:04 AM PST US
From: Ryan Vechinski <_brothapig@hotmail.com_
(http://us.mc508.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=brothapig@hotmail.com) >
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Riveting wing skeleton
I would just like some confirmation as to when to rivet the wing skeleton
t
ogether.
Currently=2C I have the right wing skeleton 99% done=2C and am ready to mov
e onto the skins. I believe I am able to rivet the skeleton together at th
is point=2C and this would be my preference=2C because I believe the rivets
hold stronger than clecos. However=2C is there anything to watch out for
if I did this? Anything that would become a problem in the future while do
ing the wing skins if the skeleton is riveted together?
I have gotten by yearly "kick in the butt" to get going on my airplane agai
n. Seems that always happens after AirVenture :)
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Time: 07:20:41 AM PST US
From: MacDonald Doug <_dougsnash@yahoo.com_
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Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Riveting wing skeleton
Ryan, it's been a couple of years for me but I think you are right about ri
veting your wing skeleton before heading on to the skins.- I don't remebe
r any gotchas doing it that way.
-
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch builder
99.99999% done
NW Ontario, Canada
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From: Ryan Vechinski <_brothapig@hotmail.com_
(http://us.mc508.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=brothapig@hotmail.com) >
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Riveting wing skeleton
Received: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 8:37 AM
I would just like some confirmation as to when to rivet the wing skeleton t
ogether.
Currently, I have the right wing skeleton 99% done, and am ready to move on
to the skins.- I believe I am able to rivet the skeleton together at this
point, and this would be my preference, because I believe the rivets hold
stronger than clecos.- However, is there anything to watch out for if I d
id this?- Anything that would become a problem in the future while doing
the wing skins if the skeleton is riveted together?
-
I have gotten by yearly "kick in the butt" to get going on my airplane agai
n.- Seems that always happens after AirVenture :)
=0A=0A
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Time: 07:33:16 AM PST US
From: "BobKat" <_bobkat@btinet.net_
(http://us.mc508.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bobkat@btinet.net) >
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Riveting wing skeleton
Good job, Ryan. Just going from memory here, but I think you have to
rivet the wing skeleton together before you lay out and mark the skins.
Rivet the skeleton, then put on the bottom skin, then the tank or
tanks, then the requisit wiring and pitot tube hardware with slat and
flaperon hangers, then lastly the trailing edge skins, leading edge,
then the top wing skins. Something like that, anyway.
If you try to rivet the skeleton while fighting the wing skins you will
likely have a heck of a time riveting in those small spaces.
From: Ryan Vechinski
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:37 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Riveting wing skeleton
I would just like some confirmation as to when to rivet the wing
skeleton together.
Currently, I have the right wing skeleton 99% done, and am ready to move
onto the skins. I believe I am able to rivet the skeleton together at
this point, and this would be my preference, because I believe the
rivets hold stronger than clecos. However, is there anything to watch
out for if I did this? Anything that would become a problem in the
future while doing the wing skins if the skeleton is riveted together?
I have gotten by yearly "kick in the butt" to get going on my airplane
again. Seems that always happens after AirVenture :)
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Time: 10:05:28 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Riveting wing skeleton
From: "bryanekholm" <_ekholmbk@lakedalelink.net_
(http://us.mc508.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ekholmbk@lakedalelink.net) >
I just completed my right wing. The only parts you need to worry about
not attaching
permanently to the wing skeleton are the front strut attach point and
the tie down ring. It just makes it a little easier when you are
strapping on
the leading edge skin.
Bryan Ekholm
--------
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My fuel tanks, main and aux on each wing, had a lip where the welding was
done. It was a pain to remove and install them.
You can rivet the entire skeleton, but I left clecos in the rear channels
behind the tank and the channels that are right behind
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Hi Ernest;
I took a look at my, still under construction 701, there are
quite a few bolts under the seat pan which can be reached with difficulty
through the access hatch. Though it will be a pain I think it would be better
to take the seat pan out to do the work. None of the rivets are bucked.
also with the seat pan out you will be able to back drill all of the hole
into the new fitting. You should look on the _www.zenith.com_
(http://www.zenith.com) web site to see if there is a 701 builder near you who could help
since you are not the original builder. As far as jacking up the aircraft,
I think I would make a low saw horse and place it in front of the gear.
Good luck with the work. Just work steadily and remember it is supposed to be
educational!
Regards, John
CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
Cell: 719-494-4567
Home: 303-648-3261
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Hello,
Per my incident with the worn-out rubber spacers, I have to replace the
strut fitting on the right side of my 701. I ordered one from Zenith, had it
shipped next day air, and will have it painted tonight for installation on
Saturday morning at KJFZ.
I am not the builder, so I am not intimately familiar with the attachment
of the piece. I have a few questions I would appreciate help with.
1. Per the drawings, It looks like there are screws from the sides of the
gear channel into the little fingers that insert parallel to the gear
channel. Are these screws or bucked rivets.
2. Will I be able to access all the screws that hold the fitting in place
by opening the access panel or will I need to remove the passenger seat
panel?
3. anyone ever done this? If so, any tips on jacking up the plane for
the operation?
Thanks for your help.
By the way, I also purchased a complete set of the "rubber" spacers now
supplied by Zenith, they look like they should work and last much better. I
hope so.
--------
Ernest Jessee
N4931M
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=307630#307630
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Also Ernest, should you not be aware, you will need the customized-head
(concave) riveter head to pull the four Avex A5 rivets.
Ralph
CH701 - Jabiru 2200
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To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: replacing a strut fitting
Hi Ernest;
I took a look at my, still under construction 701, there
are quite a few bolts under the seat pan which can be reached with
difficulty through the access hatch. Though it will be a pain I think it
would be better to take the seat pan out to do the work. None of the
rivets are bucked. also with the seat pan out you will be able to back
drill all of the hole into the new fitting. You should look on the
www.zenith.com web site to see if there is a 701 builder near you who
could help since you are not the original builder. As far as jacking up
the aircraft, I think I would make a low saw horse and place it in front
of the gear. Good luck with the work. Just work steadily and remember it
is supposed to be educational!
Regards, John
CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
Cell: 719-494-4567
Home: 303-648-3261
In a message dated 8/5/2010 8:20:47 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
eejessee@us.ibm.com writes:
<eejessee@us.ibm.com>
Hello,
Per my incident with the worn-out rubber spacers, I have to replace
the strut fitting on the right side of my 701. I ordered one from
Zenith, had it shipped next day air, and will have it painted tonight
for installation on Saturday morning at KJFZ.
I am not the builder, so I am not intimately familiar with the
attachment of the piece. I have a few questions I would appreciate help
with.
1. Per the drawings, It looks like there are screws from the sides
of the gear channel into the little fingers that insert parallel to the
gear channel. Are these screws or bucked rivets.
2. Will I be able to access all the screws that hold the fitting in
place by opening the access panel or will I need to remove the passenger
seat panel?
3. anyone ever done this? If so, any tips on jacking up the plane
for the operation?
Thanks for your help.
By the way, I also purchased a complete set of the "rubber" spacers
now supplied by Zenith, they look like they should work and last much
better. I hope so.
--------
Ernest Jessee
N4931M
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And prolly a snake,or angle drill. And some way to support the wing. When
you start drilling into the steel, the bit is going to walk,the existing
aluminum hole will become elongated/sloppy. A transfer punch might help.
In a message dated 8/5/2010 6:41:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rrsharp@cox.net writes:
Also Ernest, should you not be aware, you will need the customized-head
(concave) riveter head to pull the four Avex A5 rivets.
Ralph
CH701 - Jabiru 2200
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Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: replacing a strut fitting
Hi Ernest;
I took a look at my, still under construction 701, there are
quite a few bolts under the seat pan which can be reached with difficulty
through the access hatch. Though it will be a pain I think it would be better
to take the seat pan out to do the work. None of the rivets are bucked.
also with the seat pan out you will be able to back drill all of the hole
into the new fitting. You should look on the _www.zenith.com_
(http://www.zenith.com/) web site to see if there is a 701 builder near you who could help
since you are not the original builder. As far as jacking up the aircraft,
I think I would make a low saw horse and place it in front of the gear.
Good luck with the work. Just work steadily and remember it is supposed to be
educational!
Regards, John
CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
Cell: 719-494-4567
Home: 303-648-3261
In a message dated 8/5/2010 8:20:47 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
eejessee@us.ibm.com writes:
Hello,
Per my incident with the worn-out rubber spacers, I have to replace the
strut fitting on the right side of my 701. I ordered one from Zenith, had it
shipped next day air, and will have it painted tonight for installation on
Saturday morning at KJFZ.
I am not the builder, so I am not intimately familiar with the attachment
of the piece. I have a few questions I would appreciate help with.
1. Per the drawings, It looks like there are screws from the sides of the
gear channel into the little fingers that insert parallel to the gear
channel. Are these screws or bucked rivets.
2. Will I be able to access all the screws that hold the fitting in place
by opening the access panel or will I need to remove the passenger seat
panel?
3. anyone ever done this? If so, any tips on jacking up the plane for
the operation?
Thanks for your help.
By the way, I also purchased a complete set of the "rubber" spacers now
supplied by Zenith, they look like they should work and last much better. I
hope so.
--------
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N4931M
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith701801-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/04/10 |
And it's not the 601 list either.
I can't help specify the pitch or diameter, but,
my plane is tied down outside, > 6 years,
and has a wood prop. I use a prop cover to protect it.
No problem with weathering. I check the prop bolt
torque regularly. The wood sure is pretty - I like it.
Joe E @ BFI
N633Z, 638 hours
CH601XLB (24 hours since the upgrade)
Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 64x51 wood prop
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Brett Hanley wrote:
> ......snip-
> I am building a 750 with a 0-200 Continental.
> Any one on the list have a recomendation for a prop.
>-I will be tied down outside part of the year so wood
> is out of the question.
> Brett
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