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1. 04:59 AM - Re: Flaperon limits? (MacDonald Doug)
2. 05:24 AM - Re: Flaperon limits? (Randall J Hebert)
3. 06:23 AM - Re: Recent progress pic (Geoff Heap)
4. 06:25 AM - Re: Recent progress pic (Geoff Heap)
5. 06:39 AM - Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A (n801bh@netzero.com)
6. 07:24 AM - Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A (Geoff Heap)
7. 08:05 AM - Re: Flaperon limits? (SABorns@aol.com)
8. 08:06 AM - Re: Flaperon limits? (SABorns@aol.com)
9. 08:11 AM - Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A (dons701)
10. 09:13 AM - Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A (JohnDRead@aol.com)
11. 09:19 AM - Re: Flaperon limits? (JohnDRead@aol.com)
12. 11:25 AM - Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A (dons701)
13. 12:55 PM - Chat Tonight (George Race)
14. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Recent progress pic (John Marzulli)
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon limits? |
John, if I remember correctly the flapperon up/down deflections are 13 degr
ees.- The flap deflection is supposed to be 15.- This gives you a total
of 28 down and 13 up.
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But as I said, the above information is based on memory so double check bef
ore cutting aluminum.
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Doug MacDonald
CH-701 C-GBQX
NW Ontario, Canada
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--- On Sun, 10/24/10, John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com> wrote:
From: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Flaperon limits?
Received: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 11:25 PM
I can't seem to find the flaperon deflections for my 701. I have the neutra
l position identified, but I am unsure how how far up and down from neutral
the slots need to be cut.
Thanks,
John Marzulli
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| Subject: | Flaperon limits? |
Aileron (flaperons) UP 13 +/- 1
Down 13 +/- 1
Flap Max 16 +/- 2
Elevator UP 32 to 35
Down 28 to 30
>From the Construction manual
Randall J Hebert
N7701P
Plans Building
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MacDonald
Doug
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Flaperon limits?
John, if I remember correctly the flapperon up/down deflections are 13
degrees. The flap deflection is supposed to be 15. This gives you a total
of 28 down and 13 up.
But as I said, the above information is based on memory so double check
before cutting aluminum.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 C-GBQX
NW Ontario, Canada
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--- On Sun, 10/24/10, John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com> wrote:
From: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Flaperon limits?
Received: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 11:25 PM
I can't seem to find the flaperon deflections for my 701. I have the neutral
position identified, but I am unsure how how far up and down from neutral
the slots need to be cut.
Thanks,
John Marzulli
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| Subject: | Re: Recent progress pic |
Hey John. What do you do with all that space around your plane, play football?
You ever get lost....Haaaaaaaa....Geoff
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Dual controls. Dynon 180. Icom 210 Garmin 296. Becker transponder. Sigtronics intercom.
Electric flaperons.
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| Subject: | Re: Recent progress pic |
Thats an old photo. I'm hoping for FAA insp in the spring....Geoff
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Dual controls. Dynon 180. Icom 210 Garmin 296. Becker transponder. Sigtronics intercom.
Electric flaperons.
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A |
It is my opinion that Chris designs all his planes using a tried and tru
e method. A simple way to counteract P force and to get the plane to fly
decent he adds offset to the engine mounts.
Here is a link to the 801 thrust line drawing. I bet it is similar to al
l his designs, especially the 701.
http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/data/thrust.pdf
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Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "dons701" <burdon1@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A
I recently noticed that the centerline of my Jabiru 2200A was pointing d
ownward a degree or so, relative to the longitudinal centerline of my 70
1. I have ordered new rubber motor mounts from Jabiru USA as the existin
g mounts are showing some surface cracks and generally are sagging.
The question I have is what if any advantage would there be to shim t
he centerline of thrust to any angle other than parallel to the centerli
ne of the plane as seen from the side view. When viewed from above I hav
e the required 3 degrees, (23 mm measured at the back of the engine), of
offset thrust to the passenger side. Just curious if anyone running the
same combination might have experimented with the thrust centerline in
any way. Pro's Con's ?/
Thanks....Don
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Zenith 701 #76120
Jabiru 2200A #2456 67 hours
Sensenich Wood 64-PJ-36 Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A |
Don. I agree the 3 to the right is normal. The 1 down...Never heard of it. Ive
been on these Matronics lists for a long time........Geoff
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Dual controls. Dynon 180. Icom 210 Garmin 296. Becker transponder. Sigtronics intercom.
Electric flaperons.
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon limits? |
John,
This is the info you need.
D:\Photo Assembly Guides\Construction Manual\DEFLECTIONS.pdf
Steven Bornstein K8IDN
475 E. North Broadway
Columbus, Ohio 43214
614 263-5819
In a message dated 10/25/2010 12:32:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
john.marzulli@gmail.com writes:
I can't seem to find the flaperon deflections for my 701. I have the
neutral position identified, but I am unsure how how far up and down from
neutral the slots need to be cut.
Thanks,
John Marzulli
_http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/_ (http://www.genevievemarzulli.org/)
_http://MarzulliPhoto.net/_ (http://marzulliphoto.net/)
_http://701Builder.blogspot.com/_ (http://701builder.blogspot.com/)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List)
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon limits? |
Steven Bornstein K8IDN
475 E. North Broadway
Columbus, Ohio 43214
614 263-5819
In a message dated 10/25/2010 12:32:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
john.marzulli@gmail.com writes:
I can't seem to find the flaperon deflections for my 701. I have the
neutral position identified, but I am unsure how how far up and down from
neutral the slots need to be cut.
Thanks,
John Marzulli
_http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/_ (http://www.genevievemarzulli.org/)
_http://MarzulliPhoto.net/_ (http://marzulliphoto.net/)
_http://701Builder.blogspot.com/_ (http://701builder.blogspot.com/)
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A |
Thanks to all
I plan to purchase a digital protractor today to see how far nose down the engine
is relative to the fuselage. Always wanted one those, now I have a good excuse.
Thanks for the drawing Ben, interesting to see they allow a 5 degree tolerance
+ or -, that is surprising. One can only imagine how she would fly thrust
up, or thrust downward 5 degrees.
Jabiru USA is out of rubber engine mounts and I will have to wait literally
for a slow boat from Australia. My mounts are sagged a bit and a few are showing
small surface cracks......Don
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Zenith 701 #76120
Jabiru 2200A #2456 67 hours
Sensenich Wood 64-PJ-36 Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A |
Down a degree is OK. I had to mess around with the washers between the
mount rubber inserts.
Regards, John
CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
Cell: 719-494-4567
Home: 303-648-3261
In a message dated 10/24/2010 4:40:40 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
burdon1@comcast.net writes:
--> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "dons701" <burdon1@comcast.net>
I recently noticed that the centerline of my Jabiru 2200A was pointing
downward a degree or so, relative to the longitudinal centerline of my 701. I
have ordered new rubber motor mounts from Jabiru USA as the existing mounts
are showing some surface cracks and generally are sagging.
The question I have is what if any advantage would there be to shim the
centerline of thrust to any angle other than parallel to the centerline of
the plane as seen from the side view. When viewed from above I have the
required 3 degrees, (23 mm measured at the back of the engine), of offset thrust
to the passenger side. Just curious if anyone running the same combination
might have experimented with the thrust centerline in any way. Pro's Con's
?/
Thanks....Don
--------
Zenith 701 #76120
Jabiru 2200A #2456 67 hours
Sensenich Wood 64-PJ-36 Prop
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316891#316891
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| Subject: | Re: Flaperon limits? |
The flaps are designed to go down 15 degrees, Travels are on one of the
drawings that shows all travels.
Regards, John
CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
Cell: 719-494-4567
Home: 303-648-3261
In a message dated 10/24/2010 10:32:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
john.marzulli@gmail.com writes:
I can't seem to find the flaperon deflections for my 701. I have the
neutral position identified, but I am unsure how how far up and down from
neutral the slots need to be cut.
Thanks,
John Marzulli
_http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/_ (http://www.genevievemarzulli.org/)
_http://MarzulliPhoto.net/_ (http://marzulliphoto.net/)
_http://701Builder.blogspot.com/_ (http://701builder.blogspot.com/)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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| Subject: | Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A |
After removing the motor mount nuts and lifting the motor slightly, I took notice
that the rubber mounts were permanently deformed downward where the engine
frame tubes poke through. So, I sprayed some soapy water on the rubbers and rotated
them half a turn then snugged everything up till the new rubbers come in.
The engine is now 0 to 1/2 degree nose up relative to the fuselage centerline.
P-factor angle was dead on. ...... Don
--------
Zenith 701 #76120
Jabiru 2200A #2456 67 hours
Sensenich Wood 64-PJ-36 Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Recent progress pic |
Compared to the vary small single compact car garage it used to be in...
John Marzulli
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://MarzulliPhoto.net/
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Geoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hey John. What do you do with all that space around your plane, play
> football? You ever get lost....Haaaaaaaa....Geoff
>
> --------
> Dual controls. Dynon 180. Icom 210 Garmin 296. Becker transponder.
> Sigtronics intercom. Electric flaperons.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316954#316954
>
>
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