---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/25/10: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:59 AM - Re: Flaperon limits? (MacDonald Doug) 2. 05:24 AM - Re: Flaperon limits? (Randall J Hebert) 3. 06:23 AM - Re: Recent progress pic (Geoff Heap) 4. 06:25 AM - Re: Recent progress pic (Geoff Heap) 5. 06:39 AM - Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A (n801bh@netzero.com) 6. 07:24 AM - Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A (Geoff Heap) 7. 08:05 AM - Re: Flaperon limits? (SABorns@aol.com) 8. 08:06 AM - Re: Flaperon limits? (SABorns@aol.com) 9. 08:11 AM - Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A (dons701) 10. 09:13 AM - Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A (JohnDRead@aol.com) 11. 09:19 AM - Re: Flaperon limits? (JohnDRead@aol.com) 12. 11:25 AM - Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A (dons701) 13. 12:55 PM - Chat Tonight (George Race) 14. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: Recent progress pic (John Marzulli) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:02 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Flaperon limits? John, if I remember correctly the flapperon up/down deflections are 13 degr ees.- The flap deflection is supposed to be 15.- This gives you a total of 28 down and 13 up. - But as I said, the above information is based on memory so double check bef ore cutting aluminum. - Doug MacDonald CH-701 C-GBQX NW Ontario, Canada - Do Not Archive --- On Sun, 10/24/10, John Marzulli wrote: From: John Marzulli Subject: Zenith701801-List: Flaperon limits? Received: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 11:25 PM I can't seem to find the flaperon deflections for my 701. I have the neutra l position identified, but I am unsure how how far up and down from neutral the slots need to be cut. Thanks, John Marzulli =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:03 AM PST US From: "Randall J Hebert" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Flaperon limits? Aileron (flaperons) UP 13 +/- 1 Down 13 +/- 1 Flap Max 16 +/- 2 Elevator UP 32 to 35 Down 28 to 30 >From the Construction manual Randall J Hebert N7701P Plans Building From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MacDonald Doug Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 6:55 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Flaperon limits? John, if I remember correctly the flapperon up/down deflections are 13 degrees. The flap deflection is supposed to be 15. This gives you a total of 28 down and 13 up. But as I said, the above information is based on memory so double check before cutting aluminum. Doug MacDonald CH-701 C-GBQX NW Ontario, Canada Do Not Archive --- On Sun, 10/24/10, John Marzulli wrote: From: John Marzulli Subject: Zenith701801-List: Flaperon limits? Received: Sunday, October 24, 2010, 11:25 PM I can't seem to find the flaperon deflections for my 701. I have the neutral position identified, but I am unsure how how far up and down from neutral the slots need to be cut. Thanks, John Marzulli ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:54 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Recent progress pic From: "Geoff Heap" Hey John. What do you do with all that space around your plane, play football? You ever get lost....Haaaaaaaa....Geoff -------- Dual controls. Dynon 180. Icom 210 Garmin 296. Becker transponder. Sigtronics intercom. Electric flaperons. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316954#316954 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tail_assembled_small_625.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:32 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Recent progress pic From: "Geoff Heap" Thats an old photo. I'm hoping for FAA insp in the spring....Geoff -------- Dual controls. Dynon 180. Icom 210 Garmin 296. Becker transponder. Sigtronics intercom. Electric flaperons. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316955#316955 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:15 AM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A It is my opinion that Chris designs all his planes using a tried and tru e method. A simple way to counteract P force and to get the plane to fly decent he adds offset to the engine mounts. Here is a link to the 801 thrust line drawing. I bet it is similar to al l his designs, especially the 701. http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/data/thrust.pdf do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "dons701" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A I recently noticed that the centerline of my Jabiru 2200A was pointing d ownward a degree or so, relative to the longitudinal centerline of my 70 1. I have ordered new rubber motor mounts from Jabiru USA as the existin g mounts are showing some surface cracks and generally are sagging. The question I have is what if any advantage would there be to shim t he centerline of thrust to any angle other than parallel to the centerli ne of the plane as seen from the side view. When viewed from above I hav e the required 3 degrees, (23 mm measured at the back of the engine), of offset thrust to the passenger side. Just curious if anyone running the same combination might have experimented with the thrust centerline in any way. Pro's Con's ?/ Thanks....Don -------- Zenith 701 #76120 Jabiru 2200A #2456 67 hours Sensenich Wood 64-PJ-36 Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316891#316891 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obamas Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/4cc5853a1e2173f3381st03vuc ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:26 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A From: "Geoff Heap" Don. I agree the 3 to the right is normal. The 1 down...Never heard of it. Ive been on these Matronics lists for a long time........Geoff -------- Dual controls. Dynon 180. Icom 210 Garmin 296. Becker transponder. Sigtronics intercom. Electric flaperons. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316965#316965 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:25 AM PST US From: SABorns@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Flaperon limits? John, This is the info you need. D:\Photo Assembly Guides\Construction Manual\DEFLECTIONS.pdf Steven Bornstein K8IDN 475 E. North Broadway Columbus, Ohio 43214 614 263-5819 In a message dated 10/25/2010 12:32:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john.marzulli@gmail.com writes: I can't seem to find the flaperon deflections for my 701. I have the neutral position identified, but I am unsure how how far up and down from neutral the slots need to be cut. Thanks, John Marzulli _http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/_ (http://www.genevievemarzulli.org/) _http://MarzulliPhoto.net/_ (http://marzulliphoto.net/) _http://701Builder.blogspot.com/_ (http://701builder.blogspot.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:58 AM PST US From: SABorns@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Flaperon limits? Steven Bornstein K8IDN 475 E. North Broadway Columbus, Ohio 43214 614 263-5819 In a message dated 10/25/2010 12:32:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john.marzulli@gmail.com writes: I can't seem to find the flaperon deflections for my 701. I have the neutral position identified, but I am unsure how how far up and down from neutral the slots need to be cut. Thanks, John Marzulli _http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/_ (http://www.genevievemarzulli.org/) _http://MarzulliPhoto.net/_ (http://marzulliphoto.net/) _http://701Builder.blogspot.com/_ (http://701builder.blogspot.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:07 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A From: "dons701" Thanks to all I plan to purchase a digital protractor today to see how far nose down the engine is relative to the fuselage. Always wanted one those, now I have a good excuse. Thanks for the drawing Ben, interesting to see they allow a 5 degree tolerance + or -, that is surprising. One can only imagine how she would fly thrust up, or thrust downward 5 degrees. Jabiru USA is out of rubber engine mounts and I will have to wait literally for a slow boat from Australia. My mounts are sagged a bit and a few are showing small surface cracks......Don -------- Zenith 701 #76120 Jabiru 2200A #2456 67 hours Sensenich Wood 64-PJ-36 Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316971#316971 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:41 AM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A Down a degree is OK. I had to mess around with the washers between the mount rubber inserts. Regards, John CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300 Cell: 719-494-4567 Home: 303-648-3261 In a message dated 10/24/2010 4:40:40 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, burdon1@comcast.net writes: --> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "dons701" I recently noticed that the centerline of my Jabiru 2200A was pointing downward a degree or so, relative to the longitudinal centerline of my 701. I have ordered new rubber motor mounts from Jabiru USA as the existing mounts are showing some surface cracks and generally are sagging. The question I have is what if any advantage would there be to shim the centerline of thrust to any angle other than parallel to the centerline of the plane as seen from the side view. When viewed from above I have the required 3 degrees, (23 mm measured at the back of the engine), of offset thrust to the passenger side. Just curious if anyone running the same combination might have experimented with the thrust centerline in any way. Pro's Con's ?/ Thanks....Don -------- Zenith 701 #76120 Jabiru 2200A #2456 67 hours Sensenich Wood 64-PJ-36 Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316891#316891 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:50 AM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Flaperon limits? The flaps are designed to go down 15 degrees, Travels are on one of the drawings that shows all travels. Regards, John CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300 Cell: 719-494-4567 Home: 303-648-3261 In a message dated 10/24/2010 10:32:50 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, john.marzulli@gmail.com writes: I can't seem to find the flaperon deflections for my 701. I have the neutral position identified, but I am unsure how how far up and down from neutral the slots need to be cut. Thanks, John Marzulli _http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/_ (http://www.genevievemarzulli.org/) _http://MarzulliPhoto.net/_ (http://marzulliphoto.net/) _http://701Builder.blogspot.com/_ (http://701builder.blogspot.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:48 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Thrust Centerline of the 2200A From: "dons701" After removing the motor mount nuts and lifting the motor slightly, I took notice that the rubber mounts were permanently deformed downward where the engine frame tubes poke through. So, I sprayed some soapy water on the rubbers and rotated them half a turn then snugged everything up till the new rubbers come in. The engine is now 0 to 1/2 degree nose up relative to the fuselage centerline. P-factor angle was dead on. ...... Don -------- Zenith 701 #76120 Jabiru 2200A #2456 67 hours Sensenich Wood 64-PJ-36 Prop Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316995#316995 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:15 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Chat Tonight Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT http://www.mykitairplane.com Click on the Chat Room link at the top of the page. George ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Recent progress pic From: John Marzulli Compared to the vary small single compact car garage it used to be in... John Marzulli http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/ http://MarzulliPhoto.net/ http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Geoff Heap wrote: > > Hey John. What do you do with all that space around your plane, play > football? You ever get lost....Haaaaaaaa....Geoff > > -------- > Dual controls. Dynon 180. Icom 210 Garmin 296. Becker transponder. > Sigtronics intercom. Electric flaperons. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=316954#316954 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tail_assembled_small_625.jpg > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith701801-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith701801-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith701801-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith701801-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.