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1. 11:26 AM - Re: Slatless 701 (ronlee)
2. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: Slatless 701 (BobKat)
3. 04:33 PM - Gear Mounting Pads (Philip Smith)
4. 07:05 PM - Pictures of Gera Pads (Philip Smith)
5. 07:33 PM - Re: Pictures of Gera Pads (rayj)
6. 08:31 PM - Re: Pictures of Gera Pads (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: Slatless 701 |
bobkat
How many pounds did the paint increase the weight of your airplane?
How much did it affect the weight and balance?
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: Slatless 701 |
I think about 6, maybe 8 pounds. I took off the slats which weigh a bit,
and installed a couple of baggage compartment doors and put in a removable
armrest and added a top and tail strobe, so its a bit difficult to say what
weighs what, but overall empty weight turned out 1 pound more. W & B was
negligible, a tiny bit aft. I think most of the liquid in the paint must
flare off.
I have 4 wing tanks and only used the inboard two up to now. For some
reason I developed a leak in the right inboard one - maybe a tank seam or
connection in the wing from turning it and flipping it around, etc. I
didn't make the tanks accessible during their construction so for the time
being I'll use the two outboard tanks. Though the plans don't call for it,
I'd recommend that access to the tanks through the top of the wing be built
into the plane, for anyone at that stage. Mine are all surrounded in cork
with no metal touching metal, but the thing still sprung a small leak!
Makes me think its a seam or the fuel line connector, though I used
aluminum throughout the wing to the root!?
During the first post paint flight the OLED panel on my new Icom radio
sputtered a bit then died. Always something.....
-----Original Message-----
From: ronlee
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 1:23 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Slatless 701
bobkat
How many pounds did the paint increase the weight of your airplane?
How much did it affect the weight and balance?
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=341938#341938
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| Subject: | Gear Mounting Pads |
OK Listers,
After reading to all of your ideas and having a couple of conversations of
other's thoughts by email I decided to change out the "old style rubber"
pads on my 701 with the "new polyurethane material" as supplied by Zenith..
To start with the plane has 13.2 hours on the tach. The pads have been in
place for about two years - noticed when I was starting to do slow taxi
tests before the first flight last fall the gear was loose so I diligently
tightened the brackets down until the gear seemed snug.
How snug is right??? This has been asked many time before with no answer
except to tighten up things until the gear won't move fore and aft. For me
this was quite tight into the rubber. Also I've only flown off of hard
surface with light braking - no off road stuff ... yet!!!
Then on inspection, during pre flights, I noticed that the rubber that was
showing was beginning to crack where the tension was applied at the edge of
the bottom bracket. That's when I started to ask questions and research the
past articles. I had already been aware of the "weak link" and I got some
new pads from Zenith after talking with Roger - but as we all are want my
efforts were to get into the air so delayed putting on the pads.
Attached four pics and you can see why I'm glad I took the two hours to
get-er-done. (Sorry they are out of sequence) IMHO, if I had a 701 with
the old pads I'd get out there and get on my back and take a good look. The
majority of the delamination and such is not noticeable until you take it
apart so be guided by that thought. I'd be interested in what everyone
finds. Don't know how this would have affected airworthiness but looks like
something that needs attention.
One response stated that they change out the pads at each condition
inspection - rest assured I will be keeping a close "jaundiced" eye on
things.
Really straight forward; borrowed a motorcycle jack, fit up some spacers,
chocked the nose and off side wheel (you can just see the nonslip chocks I
built) and lifted one side till the tire was just off the ground. Dropped
the bracket to the end of the bolt thread travel, lifted the side a little
more and took out that side's upper pad. Inserted the new material pad
(from Zenith) and lowered away till the weight was just back on the wheel -
then bolted up the lower pad and bracket.
As they say "repeat one thru...ten for other side"!
Worked great with no problems and I felt the the plane was stable and if
things went terribly wrong if I had not taken the whole gear out of the
"channel and bracket" AND the other side was still mounted that there was
really no place for the plane to go. That's why I opted to do it one side
at a time without complete disassembley.
After both sides were done I rolled it back and forth to "normalize" the
tracking and all seems well. Let you know if any other quirks come up.
Anyway, thanks for all of your input.
Still Grinnin
Phil
CH-701
Buhl ID
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| Subject: | Pictures of Gera Pads |
OK how do I attach pictures to my email that will show up on the web
site??? In the past I haven't ever been able to see the referenced pictures
when someone attaches them to their matronics post except when they show up
at the bottom as http: something or other..
I might be able to build a plane but the computer thing leaves me in the
dust
I attached four pics in my post to Zenith 701901-list as I would for a
normal email and the narrative went through - they show up on emails I sent
out - but nothing came through on the 701801 site.
If anyone wants to see what's going on with the pads - HELP - also you could
contact me off line for pics and or to tell me how to format the pics to
share on site.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Pictures of Gera Pads |
Phil, they came through to me. I am getting individual emails, not
digest mode, if that makes a difference.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 06/03/2011 09:02 PM, Philip Smith wrote:
> OK how do I attach pictures to my email that will show up on the web
> site??? In the past I haven't ever been able to see the referenced
> pictures when someone attaches them to their matronics post except when
> they show up at the bottom as http: something or other..
> I might be able to build a plane but the computer thing leaves me in the
> dust
> I attached four pics in my post to Zenith 701901-list as I would for a
> normal email and the narrative went through - they show up on emails I
> sent out - but nothing came through on the 701801 site.
> If anyone wants to see what's going on with the pads - HELP - also you
> could contact me off line for pics and or to tell me how to format the
> pics to share on site.
> Phil
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Pictures of Gera Pads |
It is automatic and they appear to be there now. Since they are large give
your web browser time to load them when you get to the page.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=82026
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Philip
Smith
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 7:03 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Pictures of Gera Pads
OK how do I attach pictures to my email that will show up on the web site???
In the past I haven't ever been able to see the referenced pictures when
someone attaches them to their matronics post except when they show up at
the bottom as http: something or other..
I might be able to build a plane but the computer thing leaves me in the
dust
I attached four pics in my post to Zenith 701901-list as I would for a
normal email and the narrative went through - they show up on emails I sent
out - but nothing came through on the 701801 site.
If anyone wants to see what's going on with the pads - HELP - also you could
contact me off line for pics and or to tell me how to format the pics to
share on site.
Phil
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