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1. 01:57 AM - 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (John Marzulli)
2. 03:34 AM - Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (MacDonald Doug)
3. 05:57 AM - Aluminum Guage (Bob Gibfried)
4. 06:01 AM - Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (NYTerminat@aol.com)
5. 06:21 AM - 701 Kit for Sale (hart701@charter.net)
6. 07:59 AM - Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (ronlee)
7. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (John Marzulli)
8. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (MacDonald Doug)
9. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (fritz)
10. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (mike soucy)
11. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (Robert Pelland)
12. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (fritz)
13. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (Craig Payne)
14. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (fritz)
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| Subject: | 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod |
I am seriously considering adding a rolling bearing to my nose strut to
reduce friction while flying.
Looking at ACS it was unclear if I wanted a DP ( my guess ) or DSP bearing.
Anyone have the part number?
Thinking about it more, since I have a gap between the strut stop plate and
the support shelf, adding a 2" ID thrust bearing between the two would be
the easiest and most foolproof way. Has anyone done this or found such a
thrust bearing?
Thanks,
John Marzulli
http://MarzulliPhoto.net/
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod |
John, I think you'll find this is just the "newness" of your plane.- Mine
was stiff the first few flights too but by the end of the test period it w
as nice and smooth.- Make sure you've got some lube on-the-nylon bear
ings-and it will probably work its way in before too long.=0A-=0ADoug M
acDonald=0ACH-701, NW Ontario, Canada=0A-=0ADo Not Archive=0A=0AFrom: Joh
n Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:54:16 AM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List:
701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod=0A=0A=0AI am seriously considering adding a rol
ling bearing to my nose strut to reduce friction while flying.=0A=0ALooking
at ACS it was unclear if I wanted a DP ( my guess ) or DSP bearing. Anyone
have the part number?=0A=0AThinking about it more, since I have a gap betw
een the strut stop plate and the support shelf, adding a 2" ID thrust beari
ng between the two would be the easiest and most foolproof way. Has anyone
done this or found such a thrust bearing?=0A=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0AJohn Marzull
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I know that many scratch builders have increased the aluminum gauge on the
fuselage to eliminate oil canning. What gauge would be recommended on the
top boot cowl since it takes a lot of abuse in normal operations, filling
the tanks, etc.?
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod |
I agree with Doug
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 9/2/2011 6:34:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dougsnash@yahoo.com writes:
John, I think you'll find this is just the "newness" of your plane. Mine
was stiff the first few flights too but by the end of the test period it
was nice and smooth. Make sure you've got some lube on the nylon bearings
and it will probably work its way in before too long.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701, NW Ontario, Canada
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From: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:54:16 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod
I am seriously considering adding a rolling bearing to my nose strut to
reduce friction while flying.
Looking at ACS it was unclear if I wanted a DP ( my guess ) or DSP
bearing. Anyone have the part number?
Thinking about it more, since I have a gap between the strut stop plate
and the support shelf, adding a 2" ID thrust bearing between the two would be
the easiest and most foolproof way. Has anyone done this or found such a
thrust bearing?
Thanks,
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| Subject: | 701 Kit for Sale |
I will be running this on Barnstormers, but want to put it out once more
to Zenith lists.
My Zenith 701 airframe kit is for sale due to health concerns. The tail
feathers are completed and the right wing with flaperons is covered. The
left wing is almost ready for cover--it needs wing tank and wingtip skin
installed before disassembly, debur and riveting . I have many
construction photos. and will include some tools and jigs that I have
made and a lot of clecos. I was not planning on wiring the wings for
lights, but have PVC tube running through the wing to facilitate future
wiring. I also have some of the Croke construction videos. The selling
price will be what I paid Zenith for the kit. This is approximately
$1,000 less than what a new kit costs today and a lot of the work is
completed giving the new owner a good jump-start. Buying a kit at this
stage should allow the new owner to get his/her repairman certificate
(by completing 51% of the aircraft.)
The kit price of $13,725 included: Airframe kit & finishing kit, bubble
door option, electric trim, metric tape measure, drill bits, 4
handiclamps, rivet spacing fan, 8 inch file and edge marker block. I
will also include a rivet gun, hand riveter, jigs that I have made and
extra clecos (you can never have too many.) I have a large compressor
that I will sell at a much-reduced price. Please respond to me off list
at: hart701@charter.net
Rich Hartwig
Waunakee WI
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod |
One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now.
I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy and does
not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701 the stiff
rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has to be a better
way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did it shows they don't
care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the 701 for a long time so
they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of this I do love my 701 very much.
--------
Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod |
Where did you put the nylon?
Between the strut stop plate and the shelf?
On aspect I really do not like are the steering extensions on the strut that
are supposed to rub on the pieces of extrusion that act as nose gear stops.
John Marzulli
http://MarzulliPhoto.net/
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 7:55 AM, ronlee <rlee468@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now.
> I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy
> and does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701
> the stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has
> to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did it
> shows they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the 701
> for a long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of this I
> do love my 701 very much.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod |
Ron, it might be a "pilot preference" thing with regard to the rudder feel.
--I was happy with the rudder feel on the demo plane and am completely
satisfied with the feel of my plane.
-
As for the 750, there is some difference on how-the lower bearing-fits
together.- The lower bearing block is a black plastic material and has th
e "V" block built into it.- There is no metal to metal contact in this se
tup.- I only have the one demo flight for time on a 750 and don't recal t
here being any rudder feel issues.- Additionally, I found the 750-to be
-more of a "feet flat on the floor" plane that the 701.- Not the the 70
1 has bad adverse yaw, I just found the 750 that much better.
-
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 from scratch
NW Ontario, Canada
-
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--- On Fri, 9/2/11, ronlee <rlee468@comcast.net> wrote:
From: ronlee <rlee468@comcast.net>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod
Received: Friday, September 2, 2011, 9:55 AM
One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now.
I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy an
d does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701 th
e stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has to
be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did it s
hows they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the 701 fo
r a long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of this I do
love my 701 very much.
--------
Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod |
Not to "re-invent the wheel" but---- have you done away with the "V" notch
the strut sits in while in flight? If not, lift the nose off the ground
and watch how this assembly flex(s). Terrible!!!!! After seeing this,
I did away with the "V" notch and made mine without the notch. (many years
ago)
Fritz
----- Original Message -----
From: "ronlee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod
>
> One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now.
> I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy
> and does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701
> the stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has
> to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did
> it shows they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the
> 701 for a long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of
> this I do love my 701 very much.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod |
If I remember right, Fred S. Poor had the same solution and it worked out g
reat for him.
--- On Fri, 9/2/11, fritz <klondike@megalink.net> wrote:
From: fritz <klondike@megalink.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod
Not to "re-invent the wheel" but---- have you done away with the "V" notch
the strut sits in while in flight?- ---If not,- lift the nose off
the ground and watch how this assembly flex(s).---Terrible!!!!!-
- After seeing this, I did away with the "V" notch and made mine without
the notch.- (many years ago)
Fritz
----- Original Message ----- From: "ronlee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod
>
> One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now.
> I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy
and does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701
the stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has
to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did it
shows they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the 701
for a long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of this I
do love my 701 very much.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod |
I wonder if anyone has removed the notches completely, making it more like
the Cessna's and Piper's we all learned to fly on. I can't see myself
landing any aircraft with out both feet feverishly working the rudders, so
centering the nose wheel would not be needed, nor be an issue for me.
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: "ronlee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:55 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod
>
> One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now.
> I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy
> and does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701
> the stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has
> to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did
> it shows they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the
> 701 for a long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of
> this I do love my 701 very much.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod |
yes and replacing the "old metal V notch" with "Teflon" without the notch.
This gives a lot more surface are for the "pin" which goes through the nose
strut to slide on.
If new on site, check archives, should be a lot of info there also.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Pelland" <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod
> <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
>
> I wonder if anyone has removed the notches completely, making it more like
> the Cessna's and Piper's we all learned to fly on. I can't see myself
> landing any aircraft with out both feet feverishly working the rudders, so
> centering the nose wheel would not be needed, nor be an issue for me.
>
> Robert
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ronlee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
> To: <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:55 AM
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod
>
>
>>
>> One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now.
>> I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy
>> and does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo
>> 701 the stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it.
>> There has to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If
>> they did it shows they don't care as it has been a topic of
>> disappointment on the 701 for a long time so they are certainly well
>> aware of it. In spite of this I do love my 701 very much.
>>
>> --------
>> Ron Lee
>> Tucson, Arizona
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod |
The 750 uses the design from the 601/650: a large black/gray nylon block
with the V notch formed by the nylon. So no steel on aluminum. Having had a
601 kit in the past I ordered the 601 parts and adapted them for my 701.
Haven't flown it yet.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronlee
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 7:56 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod
One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now.
I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy and
does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701 the
stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has to be
a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did it shows
they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the 701 for a
long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of this I do love
my 701 very much.
--------
Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod |
I'd get rid of the "V" notch, no matter what I used for material.
Fritz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> The 750 uses the design from the 601/650: a large black/gray nylon block
> with the V notch formed by the nylon. So no steel on aluminum. Having had
> a
> 601 kit in the past I ordered the 601 parts and adapted them for my 701.
> Haven't flown it yet.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronlee
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 7:56 AM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod
>
>
> One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now.
> I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy
> and
> does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701 the
> stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has to
> be
> a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did it
> shows
> they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the 701 for a
> long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of this I do
> love
> my 701 very much.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253
>
>
>
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