---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/02/11: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:57 AM - 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (John Marzulli) 2. 03:34 AM - Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (MacDonald Doug) 3. 05:57 AM - Aluminum Guage (Bob Gibfried) 4. 06:01 AM - Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (NYTerminat@aol.com) 5. 06:21 AM - 701 Kit for Sale (hart701@charter.net) 6. 07:59 AM - Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (ronlee) 7. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (John Marzulli) 8. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (MacDonald Doug) 9. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (fritz) 10. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (mike soucy) 11. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (Robert Pelland) 12. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (fritz) 13. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (Craig Payne) 14. 11:53 AM - Re: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod (fritz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod From: John Marzulli I am seriously considering adding a rolling bearing to my nose strut to reduce friction while flying. Looking at ACS it was unclear if I wanted a DP ( my guess ) or DSP bearing. Anyone have the part number? Thinking about it more, since I have a gap between the strut stop plate and the support shelf, adding a 2" ID thrust bearing between the two would be the easiest and most foolproof way. Has anyone done this or found such a thrust bearing? Thanks, John Marzulli http://MarzulliPhoto.net/ http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:26 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod John, I think you'll find this is just the "newness" of your plane.- Mine was stiff the first few flights too but by the end of the test period it w as nice and smooth.- Make sure you've got some lube on-the-nylon bear ings-and it will probably work its way in before too long.=0A-=0ADoug M acDonald=0ACH-701, NW Ontario, Canada=0A-=0ADo Not Archive=0A=0AFrom: Joh n Marzulli =0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:54:16 AM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod=0A=0A=0AI am seriously considering adding a rol ling bearing to my nose strut to reduce friction while flying.=0A=0ALooking at ACS it was unclear if I wanted a DP ( my guess ) or DSP bearing. Anyone have the part number?=0A=0AThinking about it more, since I have a gap betw een the strut stop plate and the support shelf, adding a 2" ID thrust beari ng between the two would be the easiest and most foolproof way. Has anyone done this or found such a thrust bearing?=0A=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0AJohn Marzull =============== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:20 AM PST US From: "Bob Gibfried" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Aluminum Guage I know that many scratch builders have increased the aluminum gauge on the fuselage to eliminate oil canning. What gauge would be recommended on the top boot cowl since it takes a lot of abuse in normal operations, filling the tanks, etc.? Bob ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:36 AM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod I agree with Doug Bob Spudis In a message dated 9/2/2011 6:34:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dougsnash@yahoo.com writes: John, I think you'll find this is just the "newness" of your plane. Mine was stiff the first few flights too but by the end of the test period it was nice and smooth. Make sure you've got some lube on the nylon bearings and it will probably work its way in before too long. Doug MacDonald CH-701, NW Ontario, Canada Do Not Archive From: John Marzulli Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:54:16 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod I am seriously considering adding a rolling bearing to my nose strut to reduce friction while flying. Looking at ACS it was unclear if I wanted a DP ( my guess ) or DSP bearing. Anyone have the part number? Thinking about it more, since I have a gap between the strut stop plate and the support shelf, adding a 2" ID thrust bearing between the two would be the easiest and most foolproof way. Has anyone done this or found such a thrust bearing? Thanks, John Marzulli _http://MarzulliPhoto.net/_ (http://marzulliphoto.net/) _http://701Builder.blogspot.com/_ (http://701builder.blogspot.com/) ist" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:07 AM PST US From: hart701@charter.net Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Kit for Sale I will be running this on Barnstormers, but want to put it out once more to Zenith lists. My Zenith 701 airframe kit is for sale due to health concerns. The tail feathers are completed and the right wing with flaperons is covered. The left wing is almost ready for cover--it needs wing tank and wingtip skin installed before disassembly, debur and riveting . I have many construction photos. and will include some tools and jigs that I have made and a lot of clecos. I was not planning on wiring the wings for lights, but have PVC tube running through the wing to facilitate future wiring. I also have some of the Croke construction videos. The selling price will be what I paid Zenith for the kit. This is approximately $1,000 less than what a new kit costs today and a lot of the work is completed giving the new owner a good jump-start. Buying a kit at this stage should allow the new owner to get his/her repairman certificate (by completing 51% of the aircraft.) The kit price of $13,725 included: Airframe kit & finishing kit, bubble door option, electric trim, metric tape measure, drill bits, 4 handiclamps, rivet spacing fan, 8 inch file and edge marker block. I will also include a rivet gun, hand riveter, jigs that I have made and extra clecos (you can never have too many.) I have a large compressor that I will sell at a much-reduced price. Please respond to me off list at: hart701@charter.net Rich Hartwig Waunakee WI ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:54 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod From: "ronlee" One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now. I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy and does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701 the stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did it shows they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the 701 for a long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of this I do love my 701 very much. -------- Ron Lee Tucson, Arizona Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:55 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod From: John Marzulli Where did you put the nylon? Between the strut stop plate and the shelf? On aspect I really do not like are the steering extensions on the strut that are supposed to rub on the pieces of extrusion that act as nose gear stops. John Marzulli http://MarzulliPhoto.net/ http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 7:55 AM, ronlee wrote: > > One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now. > I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy > and does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701 > the stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has > to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did it > shows they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the 701 > for a long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of this I > do love my 701 very much. > > -------- > Ron Lee > Tucson, Arizona > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:46 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod Ron, it might be a "pilot preference" thing with regard to the rudder feel. --I was happy with the rudder feel on the demo plane and am completely satisfied with the feel of my plane. - As for the 750, there is some difference on how-the lower bearing-fits together.- The lower bearing block is a black plastic material and has th e "V" block built into it.- There is no metal to metal contact in this se tup.- I only have the one demo flight for time on a 750 and don't recal t here being any rudder feel issues.- Additionally, I found the 750-to be -more of a "feet flat on the floor" plane that the 701.- Not the the 70 1 has bad adverse yaw, I just found the 750 that much better. - Doug MacDonald CH-701 from scratch NW Ontario, Canada - Do Not Archive --- On Fri, 9/2/11, ronlee wrote: From: ronlee Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod Received: Friday, September 2, 2011, 9:55 AM One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now. I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy an d does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701 th e stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did it s hows they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the 701 fo r a long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of this I do love my 701 very much. -------- Ron Lee Tucson, Arizona ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:53 AM PST US From: "fritz" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod Not to "re-invent the wheel" but---- have you done away with the "V" notch the strut sits in while in flight? If not, lift the nose off the ground and watch how this assembly flex(s). Terrible!!!!! After seeing this, I did away with the "V" notch and made mine without the notch. (many years ago) Fritz ----- Original Message ----- From: "ronlee" Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:55 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod > > One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now. > I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy > and does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701 > the stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has > to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did > it shows they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the > 701 for a long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of > this I do love my 701 very much. > > -------- > Ron Lee > Tucson, Arizona > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:41 AM PST US From: mike soucy Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod If I remember right, Fred S. Poor had the same solution and it worked out g reat for him. --- On Fri, 9/2/11, fritz wrote: From: fritz Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod Not to "re-invent the wheel" but---- have you done away with the "V" notch the strut sits in while in flight?- ---If not,- lift the nose off the ground and watch how this assembly flex(s).---Terrible!!!!!- - After seeing this, I did away with the "V" notch and made mine without the notch.- (many years ago) Fritz ----- Original Message ----- From: "ronlee" Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:55 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod > > One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now. > I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy and does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701 the stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did it shows they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the 701 for a long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of this I do love my 701 very much. > > -------- > Ron Lee > Tucson, Arizona > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253 > > > > > > > > > > le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:22 AM PST US From: "Robert Pelland" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod I wonder if anyone has removed the notches completely, making it more like the Cessna's and Piper's we all learned to fly on. I can't see myself landing any aircraft with out both feet feverishly working the rudders, so centering the nose wheel would not be needed, nor be an issue for me. Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "ronlee" Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:55 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod > > One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now. > I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy > and does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701 > the stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has > to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did > it shows they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the > 701 for a long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of > this I do love my 701 very much. > > -------- > Ron Lee > Tucson, Arizona > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:11 AM PST US From: "fritz" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod yes and replacing the "old metal V notch" with "Teflon" without the notch. This gives a lot more surface are for the "pin" which goes through the nose strut to slide on. If new on site, check archives, should be a lot of info there also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Pelland" Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod > > > I wonder if anyone has removed the notches completely, making it more like > the Cessna's and Piper's we all learned to fly on. I can't see myself > landing any aircraft with out both feet feverishly working the rudders, so > centering the nose wheel would not be needed, nor be an issue for me. > > Robert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ronlee" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 10:55 AM > Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod > > >> >> One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now. >> I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy >> and does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo >> 701 the stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. >> There has to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If >> they did it shows they don't care as it has been a topic of >> disappointment on the 701 for a long time so they are certainly well >> aware of it. In spite of this I do love my 701 very much. >> >> -------- >> Ron Lee >> Tucson, Arizona >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:52 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod The 750 uses the design from the 601/650: a large black/gray nylon block with the V notch formed by the nylon. So no steel on aluminum. Having had a 601 kit in the past I ordered the 601 parts and adapted them for my 701. Haven't flown it yet. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronlee Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 7:56 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now. I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy and does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701 the stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has to be a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did it shows they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the 701 for a long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of this I do love my 701 very much. -------- Ron Lee Tucson, Arizona Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:19 AM PST US From: "fritz" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod I'd get rid of the "V" notch, no matter what I used for material. Fritz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Payne" Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 1:21 PM Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod > > > The 750 uses the design from the 601/650: a large black/gray nylon block > with the V notch formed by the nylon. So no steel on aluminum. Having had > a > 601 kit in the past I ordered the 601 parts and adapted them for my 701. > Haven't flown it yet. > > -- Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronlee > Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 7:56 AM > To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Nose Strut Bearing Mod > > > One would think Zenith would have found a fix to this shortcoming by now. > I put nylon sliders on mine and it helps considerably but is still heavy > and > does not move freely as it should. Even when I first flew the demo 701 the > stiff rudder got my attention and it had tons of time on it. There has to > be > a better way. Did they use the same system on the 750? If they did it > shows > they don't care as it has been a topic of disappointment on the 701 for a > long time so they are certainly well aware of it. In spite of this I do > love > my 701 very much. > > -------- > Ron Lee > Tucson, Arizona > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=351253#351253 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith701801-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith701801-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith701801-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith701801-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.