---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/31/11: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:14 AM - Re: New Member (dcstrng) 2. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: New Member (frank goodnight) 3. 05:00 AM - Re: New Member (frank goodnight) 4. 05:11 AM - Re: New Member (fritz) 5. 05:25 AM - Re: New Member (frank goodnight) 6. 05:30 AM - Re: New Member (MacDonald Doug) 7. 05:50 AM - Re: New Member (frank goodnight) 8. 05:50 AM - Re: New Member (fritz) 9. 06:11 AM - Re: New Member (frank goodnight) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:14:57 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: New Member From: "dcstrng" There was an off-shore variant known as the Bingo 4T (Google will find several references for you) that had an HKS and more than one Avid Flyer has had an installation as well, so it would seem worthy of conversation at least My observation, however, is that the move from the UL version to the SP version moved the power discussion from the 60hp range to the 80-100hp range and I see that at least one turbine powered CH701 exists hotrodding is alive and well -------- -- Larry Virginia, USA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362080#362080 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:06 AM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: New Member Morning Larry,=0AThis is the type of info I was hoping to get. Very helpful . Thanks for your Time =0Aand effort.=0AHappy , safe flying.=0AFrank=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: dcstrng =0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, December 31, 2011 6: 10:11 AM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: Re: New Member=0A=0A--> Zenith701801 -List message posted by: "dcstrng" =0A=0AThere was a n off-shore variant known as the Bingo 4T (Google will find several =0Arefe rences for you) that had an HKS and more than one Avid Flyer has had an =0A installation as well, so it would seem worthy of conversation at least=C3 =A2=82=AC=C2 My =0Aobservation, however, is that the move from the UL version to the SP version =0Amoved the power discussion from the 60hp rang e to the 80-100hp range and I see =0Athat at least one turbine powered CH70 1 exists =C3=A2=82=AC=9C hotrodding is alive and =0Awell=C3=A2 =82=AC=C2=0A=0A--------=0A-- Larry=0AVirginia, USA=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead th is topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=36 =========== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:37 AM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member Hi John, Thanks for your input. every bit helps when just starting out. Happy & safe flying Frank ________________________________ From: John Marzulli Sent: Fri, December 30, 2011 11:26:20 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member You would probably be disappointed with a 60HP engine on the current 701. The 912ULS is by far and away the best option for the modern 701. John Marzulli http://MarzulliPhoto.net/ http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:23 AM, frank goodnight wrote: Hi All , >I'm new to the list. I had some parts for a 701 ,so I ordered the rest of the >parts that >make up the firewall aft, and the finishing kits, from zenith they are supposed >to be ready >to pick up Feb. 2. > I'm not a newcomer to aviation but the only zenith I've been around is when I >got a ride >in the factory demo a couple of months ago. I fly a Kolb firestar 2 with a HKS >700 engine. >Wich brings me to my question. I know its a bit early , but when I think about >what engine >to use, I can't help but wonder if anyone has put a HKS on a 701? If any of you >know of someone that has , please help me get in touch with them. How it turned >out could save me a ton of money, time and effort. > I am looking forward to getting to know all of you. The Kolb list is of great >help to anyone who >flys a Kolb. I'm sure the people on the Zenith list represent a large pool of >knowledge and experience. I would welcome the chance to visit ----Email , Phone >, or if close enough, in person with owners or builders. Happy Flying!! > > > Frank Goodnight > Fayetteville, Arkansas > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com >="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List >tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:25 AM PST US From: "fritz" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member I agree with John--- you'll be disappointed with anything less than 80 hp. Mine was "OK" with a 65hp "582" (2 stroke)--- but wouldn't do it again. Fritz ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Marzulli" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member > You would probably be disappointed with a 60HP engine on the current 701. > > The 912ULS is by far and away the best option for the modern 701. > > John Marzulli > > http://MarzulliPhoto.net/ > http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:23 AM, frank goodnight > wrote: > >> Hi All , >> I'm new to the list. I had some parts for a 701 ,so I ordered the rest of >> the parts that >> make up the firewall aft, and the finishing kits, from zenith they are >> supposed to be ready >> to pick up Feb. 2. >> I'm not a newcomer to aviation but the only zenith I've been around is >> when I got a ride >> in the factory demo a couple of months ago. I fly a Kolb firestar 2 with >> a >> HKS 700 engine. >> Wich brings me to my question. I know its a bit early , but when I think >> about what engine >> to use, I can't help but wonder if anyone has put a HKS on a 701? If any >> of you know of someone that has , please help me get in touch with them. >> How it turned out could save me a ton of money, time and effort. >> I am looking forward to getting to know all of you. The Kolb list is of >> great help to anyone who >> flys a Kolb. I'm sure the people on the Zenith list represent a large >> pool >> of knowledge and experience. I would welcome the chance to >> visit ----Email >> , Phone , or if close enough, in person with owners or builders. Happy >> Flying!! >> >> Frank Goodnight >> Fayetteville, Arkansas >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:23 AM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member Hi Fritz, Thanks for you thoughts. Was yours the 950 or the 1100 lb version? Happy & safe flying. Frank ________________________________ From: fritz Sent: Sat, December 31, 2011 7:06:48 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member I agree with John--- you'll be disappointed with anything less than 80 hp. Mine was "OK" with a 65hp "582" (2 stroke)--- but wouldn't do it again. Fritz ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Marzulli" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member > You would probably be disappointed with a 60HP engine on the current 701. > > The 912ULS is by far and away the best option for the modern 701. > > John Marzulli > > http://MarzulliPhoto.net/ > http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:23 AM, frank goodnight >wrote: > >> Hi All , >> I'm new to the list. I had some parts for a 701 ,so I ordered the rest of >> the parts that >> make up the firewall aft, and the finishing kits, from zenith they are >> supposed to be ready >> to pick up Feb. 2. >> I'm not a newcomer to aviation but the only zenith I've been around is >> when I got a ride >> in the factory demo a couple of months ago. I fly a Kolb firestar 2 with a >> HKS 700 engine. >> Wich brings me to my question. I know its a bit early , but when I think >> about what engine >> to use, I can't help but wonder if anyone has put a HKS on a 701? If any >> of you know of someone that has , please help me get in touch with them. >> How it turned out could save me a ton of money, time and effort. >> I am looking forward to getting to know all of you. The Kolb list is of >> great help to anyone who >> flys a Kolb. I'm sure the people on the Zenith list represent a large pool >> of knowledge and experience. I would welcome the chance to visit ----Email >> , Phone , or if close enough, in person with owners or builders. Happy >> Flying!! >> >> Frank Goodnight >> Fayetteville, Arkansas >> >> * >> >> * >> >> > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:08 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member I've gotta agree with John as well.- I have the 80hp Rotax in my 701 and wish I had the 100.- The 80hp gets in the air nicely with moderate loads and cool temps but when the desity altitude and load start to climb, the ex tra oomph of the 100hp sure would be nice.- Additionally, if I were to go on floats, I would be limited to solo flight with the 80 hp.=0A-=0ADoug M=0ACH-701 from scratch=0ANW Ontario, Canada=0A-=0ADo Not Archive=0A =0A =0A________________________________=0A From: fritz =0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 8:06:48 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member=0A =0A--> Zenith70 1801-List message posted by: "fritz" =0A=0AI agree w ith John--- you'll be disappointed with anything less than 80 hp.=0AMine wa s "OK" with a 65hp "582" (2 stroke)--- but wouldn't do it again.=0AFritz=0A =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----- From: "John Marzulli" =0ATo: =0ASent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:26 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member=0A=0A=0A> Y ou would probably be disappointed with a 60HP engine on the current 701.=0A > =0A> The 912ULS is by far and away the best option for the modern 701.=0A > =0A> John Marzulli=0A> =0A> http://MarzulliPhoto.net/=0A> http://701Build er.blogspot.com/=0A> =0A> =0A> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:23 AM, frank goodn ight wrote:=0A> =0A>> Hi All ,=0A>> I'm new to the list. I had some parts for a 701 ,so I ordered the rest of=0A>> the parts that=0A>> make up the firewall aft, and the finishing kits, from zenith the y are=0A>> supposed to be ready=0A>> to pick up Feb. 2.=0A>>- I'm not a newcomer to aviation but the only zenith I've been around is=0A>> when I go t a ride=0A>> in the factory demo a couple of months ago. I fly a Kolb fire star 2 with a=0A>> HKS 700 engine.=0A>> Wich brings me to my question. I kn ow its a bit early , but when I think=0A>> about what engine=0A>> to use, I can't help but wonder if anyone has put- a HKS on a 701? If any=0A>> of you know of someone that has , please help me get in touch with them.=0A>> How it turned out could save me a ton of money, time and effort.=0A>>- I am looking forward to getting to know all of you. The Kolb list is of=0A>> great help to anyone who=0A>> flys a Kolb. I'm sure the people on the Zeni th list represent a large pool=0A>> of knowledge and experience. I would we lcome the chance to visit ----Email=0A>> , Phone , or if close enough, in p erson with owners or builders. Happy=0A>> Flying!!=0A>> =0A>>- Frank Good night=0A>>- Fayetteville, Arkansas=0A>> =0A>>- *=0A>> =0A>> *=0A>> =0A> - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:06 AM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member Hi Doug, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experience. Best wishes & safe flights. Frank ________________________________ From: MacDonald Doug Sent: Sat, December 31, 2011 7:25:19 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member I've gotta agree with John as well. I have the 80hp Rotax in my 701 and wish I had the 100. The 80hp gets in the air nicely with moderate loads and cool temps but when the desity altitude and load start to climb, the extra oomph of the 100hp sure would be nice. Additionally, if I were to go on floats, I would be limited to solo flight with the 80 hp. Doug M CH-701 from scratch NW Ontario, Canada Do Not Archive From: fritz Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 8:06:48 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member I agree with John--- you'll be disappointed with anything less than 80 hp. Mine was "OK" with a 65hp "582" (2 stroke)--- but wouldn't do it again. Fritz ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Marzulli" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member > You would probably be disappointed with a 60HP engine on the current 701. > > The 912ULS is by far and away the best option for the modern 701. > > John Marzulli > > http://MarzulliPhoto.net/ > http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:23 AM, frank goodnight >wrote: > >> Hi All , >> I'm new to the list. I had some parts for a 701 ,so I ordered the rest of >> the parts that >> make up the firewall aft, and the finishing kits, from zenith they are >> supposed to be ready >> to pick up Feb. 2. >> I'm not a newcomer to aviation but the only zenith I've been around is >> when I got a ride >> in the factory demo a couple of months ago. I fly a Kolb firestar 2 with a >> HKS 700 engine. >> Wich brings me to my question. I know its a bit early , but when I think >> about what engine >> to use, I can't help but wonder if anyone has put a HKS on a 701? If any >> of you know of someone that has , please help me get in touch with them. >> How it turned out could save me a ton of money, time and effort. >> I am looking forward to getting to know all of you. The Kolb list is of >> great help to anyone who >> flys a Kolb. I'm sure the people on the Zenith list represent a large pool >> of knowledge and experience. I would welcome the chance to visit ----Email >> , Phone , or if close enough, in person with owners or builders. Happy >> Flying!! >> >> Frank Goodnight >> Fayetteville, Arkansas >> >> * http://www.; -Matt DralNavigator?Zenith701801-List" >>target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navsp; --> >> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:08 AM PST US From: "fritz" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member It wasn't the 1100. About 950, don't remember exact number. I scratch built. 1995-1996 It was one of the first with the new main landing strut. And one of the last that the 582 was available from Zenair ( I bought the engine from them) I believe the SP version was the generation after mine--- which is all the more reason to go with the bigger engine. My plane would "jump off the ground" but lacked climb performance. I am not a Rotax fan--- but the 701 owners flying with the 4 stroke Rotax's swear by them. My opinion only. Fritz ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank goodnight" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member > Hi Fritz, > Thanks for you thoughts. Was yours the 950 or the 1100 lb version? > Happy & safe flying. > Frank > > > ________________________________ > From: fritz > To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sat, December 31, 2011 7:06:48 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member > > > I agree with John--- you'll be disappointed with anything less than 80 hp. > Mine was "OK" with a 65hp "582" (2 stroke)--- but wouldn't do it again. > Fritz > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Marzulli" > > To: > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member > > >> You would probably be disappointed with a 60HP engine on the current 701. >> >> The 912ULS is by far and away the best option for the modern 701. >> >> John Marzulli >> >> http://MarzulliPhoto.net/ >> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:23 AM, frank goodnight >>wrote: >> >>> Hi All , >>> I'm new to the list. I had some parts for a 701 ,so I ordered the rest >>> of >>> the parts that >>> make up the firewall aft, and the finishing kits, from zenith they are >>> supposed to be ready >>> to pick up Feb. 2. >>> I'm not a newcomer to aviation but the only zenith I've been around is >>> when I got a ride >>> in the factory demo a couple of months ago. I fly a Kolb firestar 2 with >>> a >>> HKS 700 engine. >>> Wich brings me to my question. I know its a bit early , but when I think >>> about what engine >>> to use, I can't help but wonder if anyone has put a HKS on a 701? If >>> any >>> of you know of someone that has , please help me get in touch with them. >>> How it turned out could save me a ton of money, time and effort. >>> I am looking forward to getting to know all of you. The Kolb list is >>> of >>> great help to anyone who >>> flys a Kolb. I'm sure the people on the Zenith list represent a large >>> pool >>> of knowledge and experience. I would welcome the chance to >>> visit ----Email >>> , Phone , or if close enough, in person with owners or builders. Happy >>> Flying!! >>> >>> Frank Goodnight >>> Fayetteville, Arkansas >>> >>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:22 AM PST US From: frank goodnight Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member Fritz , Thanks again. Stay safe. Frank ________________________________ From: fritz Sent: Sat, December 31, 2011 7:44:39 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member It wasn't the 1100. About 950, don't remember exact number. I scratch built. 1995-1996 It was one of the first with the new main landing strut. And one of the last that the 582 was available from Zenair ( I bought the engine from them) I believe the SP version was the generation after mine--- which is all the more reason to go with the bigger engine. My plane would "jump off the ground" but lacked climb performance. I am not a Rotax fan--- but the 701 owners flying with the 4 stroke Rotax's swear by them. My opinion only. Fritz ----- Original Message ----- From: "frank goodnight" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member > Hi Fritz, > Thanks for you thoughts. Was yours the 950 or the 1100 lb version? > Happy & safe flying. > Frank > > > > ________________________________ > From: fritz > To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sat, December 31, 2011 7:06:48 AM > Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member > > > I agree with John--- you'll be disappointed with anything less than 80 hp. > Mine was "OK" with a 65hp "582" (2 stroke)--- but wouldn't do it again. > Fritz > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Marzulli" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: New Member > > >> You would probably be disappointed with a 60HP engine on the current 701. >> >> The 912ULS is by far and away the best option for the modern 701. >> >> John Marzulli >> >> http://MarzulliPhoto.net/ >> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:23 AM, frank goodnight >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All , >>> I'm new to the list. I had some parts for a 701 ,so I ordered the rest of >>> the parts that >>> make up the firewall aft, and the finishing kits, from zenith they are >>> supposed to be ready >>> to pick up Feb. 2. >>> I'm not a newcomer to aviation but the only zenith I've been around is >>> when I got a ride >>> in the factory demo a couple of months ago. I fly a Kolb firestar 2 with a >>> HKS 700 engine. >>> Wich brings me to my question. I know its a bit early , but when I think >>> about what engine >>> to use, I can't help but wonder if anyone has put a HKS on a 701? If any >>> of you know of someone that has , please help me get in touch with them. >>> How it turned out could save me a ton of money, time and effort. >>> I am looking forward to getting to know all of you. The Kolb list is of >>> great help to anyone who >>> flys a Kolb. I'm sure the people on the Zenith list represent a large pool >>> of knowledge and experience. I would welcome the chance to visit ----Email >>> , Phone , or if close enough, in person with owners or builders. Happy >>> Flying!! >>> >>> Frank Goodnight >>> Fayetteville, Arkansas >>> >>> * >>> >>> * >>> >>> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith701801-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith701801-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith701801-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith701801-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.