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1. 06:04 AM - Re: Front strut steering (ronlee)
2. 09:28 AM - Re: Front strut steering (johnaswanson)
3. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Front strut steering (n801bh@netzero.com)
4. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Front strut steering (frank goodnight)
5. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: Front strut steering (John Marzulli)
6. 02:05 PM - 701 tail wheel (fritz)
7. 03:46 PM - Re: 701 tailwheel (MacDonald Doug)
8. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: Front strut steering (fritz)
9. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Front strut steering (Graeme@Coletoolentre)
10. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: Front strut steering (NYTerminat@aol.com)
11. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Front strut steering (MacDonald Doug)
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| Subject: | Re: Front strut steering |
Don't try landing too slow and steep at first as you will not be able to control
the nose wheel coming down quickly. Start landing faster until you get the feel
of the 701. As you get used to it you will be able to land slower while keeping
the nose wheel up much better. Do not let it down (nose wheel) until you
can no longer keep it off the runway.
Taking the slats off and add vortex generators, helps do this much easier as the
plane will float a bit farther before plunking down. I think you will like your
701 better with slats off. If you must land on VERY short runways then keep
them on.
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: Front strut steering |
I believe the ch701 has a serious design fault with the design of the
front strut and the nose wheel and rudder always being linked
together unlike production aircraft.
My topic was meant to address this design flaw not to critique our
landings. 36 years of flying certified aircraft has never resulted in any
damage or hard landings as in the CH701
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John ch701 912
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| Subject: | Re: Front strut steering |
It has been 25 years since I sold my PA -28-151 but I 'think' the Pipe
r Pa-28 series aircraft have the nose wheel and rudder interconnected..
.
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: "johnaswanson" <jswanson@jamadots.com>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
ts.com>
I believe the ch701 has a serious design fault with the design of the
front strut and the nose wheel and rudder always being linked
together unlike production aircraft.
My topic was meant to address this design flaw not to critique our
landings. 36 years of flying certified aircraft has never resulted in an
y
damage or hard landings as in the CH701
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John ch701 912
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| Subject: | Re: Front strut steering |
As a newbe to this list. and just starting to build my 701. I have a lot of
questions, some
of witch I'm sure have already been asked and answered.Does anyone know the
reason Zenith did away with the tail wheel on the 701 ?
Frank Goodnight
Arkansas 701 builder
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From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
Sent: Mon, January 2, 2012 11:45:21 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
It has been 25 years since I sold my PA -28-151 but I 'think' the Piper Pa-28
series aircraft have the nose wheel and rudder interconnected...
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: "johnaswanson" <jswanson@jamadots.com>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
I believe the ch701 has a serious design fault with the design of the
front strut and the nose wheel and rudder always being linked
together unlike production aircraft.
My topic was meant to address this design flaw not to critique our
landings. 36 years of flying certified aircraft has never resulted in any
damage or hard landings as in the CH701
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| Subject: | Re: Front strut steering |
Without the tail wheel you do not have to "re-rotate" the plane on takeoff.
John Marzulli
http://MarzulliPhoto.net/
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM, frank goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>wrote:
> As a newbe to this list. and just starting to build my 701. I have a lot
> of questions, some
> of witch I'm sure have already been asked and answered.Does anyone know
> the reason Zenith did away with the tail wheel on the 701 ?
> Frank Goodnight
> Arkansas 701 builder
>
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> *From:* "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
> *To:* zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Mon, January 2, 2012 11:45:21 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
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> It has been 25 years since I sold my PA -28-151 but I 'think' the Piper
> Pa-28 series aircraft have the nose wheel and rudder interconnected...
>
>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "johnaswanson" <jswanson@jamadots.com>
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:24:13 -0800
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> jswanson@jamadots.com>
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> I believe the ch701 has a serious design fault with the design of the
> front strut and the nose wheel and rudder always being linked
> together unlike production aircraft.
>
> My topic was meant to address this design flaw not to critique our
> landings. 36 years of flying certified aircraft has never resulted in any
> damage or hard landings as in the CH701
>
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> John ch701 912
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With the tail wheel, the wings were at a positive of angle of attack making
the airplane want to fly in gusty winds (anything above stall speed)-- which
isn't much.
Fritz
----- Original Message -----
From: "frank goodnight" <frank.goodnight@att.net>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
> As a newbe to this list. and just starting to build my 701. I have a lot
> of
> questions, some
> of witch I'm sure have already been asked and answered.Does anyone know
> the
> reason Zenith did away with the tail wheel on the 701 ?
> Frank Goodnight
> Arkansas 701 builder
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, January 2, 2012 11:45:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
>
> It has been 25 years since I sold my PA -28-151 but I 'think' the Piper
> Pa-28
> series aircraft have the nose wheel and rudder interconnected...
>
>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "johnaswanson" <jswanson@jamadots.com>
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
> Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:24:13 -0800
>
> <jswanson@jamadots.com>
>
> I believe the ch701 has a serious design fault with the design of the
> front strut and the nose wheel and rudder always being linked
> together unlike production aircraft.
>
> My topic was meant to address this design flaw not to critique our
> landings. 36 years of flying certified aircraft has never resulted in any
> damage or hard landings as in the CH701
>
> --------
> John ch701 912
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| Subject: | Re: 701 tailwheel |
According the Chris (at an Oshkosh forum) the elimination of the tailwheel
as an option for the 701 was becasue it actually performed poorer as a STOL
aircraft.- The trike gear was able to lift off faster than the taildragg
er.=0A-=0ADoug M=0ACH-701 from scratch=0ANW Ontario, Canada=0A=0ADo Not A
rchive=0A- =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: frank goodnigh
t <frank.goodnight@att.net>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com =0ASent:
Monday, January 2, 2012 12:57:53 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: F
ront strut steering=0A =0A=0AAs a newbe to this list. and just starting to
build my 701. I have a lot of questions, some=0Aof witch I'm sure have alre
ady been asked and answered.Does anyone know the reason Zenith did away wit
h the tail wheel on the 701 ?=0AFrank Goodnight=0AArkansas 701 builder=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Front strut steering |
Excuse me for replying.
Fritz
----- Original Message -----
From: "johnaswanson" <jswanson@jamadots.com>
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
> <jswanson@jamadots.com>
>
> I believe the ch701 has a serious design fault with the design of the
> front strut and the nose wheel and rudder always being linked
> together unlike production aircraft.
>
> My topic was meant to address this design flaw not to critique our
> landings. 36 years of flying certified aircraft has never resulted in any
> damage or hard landings as in the CH701
>
> --------
> John ch701 912
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362240#362240
>
>
>
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| From: | "Graeme@Coletoolentre" <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Front strut steering |
I and most other CH701have done hundreds of landings with the serious design
flaw in our CH701 and not bent the front wheel.
Maybe 36years hasn't prepared you for the Ch701 try landing faster with more
elevator control!
graemecns
----- Original Message -----
From: "fritz" <klondike@megalink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
>
> Excuse me for replying.
>
> Fritz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "johnaswanson" <jswanson@jamadots.com>
> To: <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:24 PM
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
>
>
>> <jswanson@jamadots.com>
>>
>> I believe the ch701 has a serious design fault with the design of the
>> front strut and the nose wheel and rudder always being linked
>> together unlike production aircraft.
>>
>> My topic was meant to address this design flaw not to critique our
>> landings. 36 years of flying certified aircraft has never resulted in any
>> damage or hard landings as in the CH701
>>
>> --------
>> John ch701 912
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362240#362240
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| Subject: | Re: Front strut steering |
The 701 airplane is nothing like the certified planes that I have flown
over the years. It is more like a cross between an ultralight and a regular
plane. You need instruction in this plane just like I would need instruction
to land a 747. I believe that there is not a design flaw but a pilot flaw
in lacking experience in type.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX CH701/912S
In a message dated 1/2/2012 8:50:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au writes:
--> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "Graeme@Coletoolentre"
<graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
I and most other CH701have done hundreds of landings with the serious
design
flaw in our CH701 and not bent the front wheel.
Maybe 36years hasn't prepared you for the Ch701 try landing faster with
more
elevator control!
graemecns
----- Original Message -----
From: "fritz" <klondike@megalink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
>
> Excuse me for replying.
>
> Fritz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "johnaswanson" <jswanson@jamadots.com>
> To: <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 12:24 PM
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Front strut steering
>
>
>> --> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "johnaswanson"
>> <jswanson@jamadots.com>
>>
>> I believe the ch701 has a serious design fault with the design of the
>> front strut and the nose wheel and rudder always being linked
>> together unlike production aircraft.
>>
>> My topic was meant to address this design flaw not to critique our
>> landings. 36 years of flying certified aircraft has never resulted in
any
>> damage or hard landings as in the CH701
>>
>> --------
>> John ch701 912
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362240#362240
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: Front strut steering |
I've been trying to decide "if" and/or "how" to answer this thread.- I ha
ve been flying for nearly ten years, have about 300 hrs total time with abo
ut 125 of that in my scratch built 701.- I, like many of the posters here
, have not really found this "Serious Design Fault" with the Zenith nose wh
eel steering that the original poster, John,-mentioned.- I have landed
my little beastie in a gusty 15 kt, 90 degree crosswind with out any aircra
ft induced issues (I have decided 15 kt crosswind is my personal-limit, n
ot necessarily the planes limit).- Thus my initial (unvoiced) response to
the opriginal poster was simply "learn to fly the plane".=0A-=0AGiving J
ohn his due, as he says, he's been flying for well over thirty years, perha
ps there is something different or wrong with his 701.- Is the steering a
ssembly unusually stiff?- Are there VGs on the elevator?- Elevator VGs
help quite a bit with nose control during landing.=0A-=0AThe next questio
n would be, how much time on type does John have?- The 701 is an internat
ional (as opposed to US) ultralight/ microlight.--The CH-701-has very
little momentum and-is a-very high drag plane.- As someone pointed o
ut, when the 701's nose comes up in the flare, the-plane stops flying RIG
HT NOW! unless a little extra power is maintained.- This unusual flare ch
aracteristic is-just one of the many ways the 701 differs from production
aircraft, necessitating a proper checkout on type, even for a high time pi
lot.=0A=0AJohn, since there are several of us on the 701/801 list that are
satisfied with the nose wheel steering system-of our 701s and do not see
-your "serious design fault", maybe we should discuss the specific detail
s of how your steering system is set up and how that might be causing probl
ems others are not experienceing.- Failing that, I suspect many others wi
ll chime in with responses similar to my initial gut feeling which will be
of-absolutely no-benifit to you.- As others have said, we find the 70
1 to be a great little airplane.=0A-=0AHope we can help you out.=0A-=0A
Doug M=0ACH-701 from Scratch=0ANW Ontario, Canada=0A-=0ADo Not Archive=0A
jamadots.com>=0A>>=0A>> I believe the ch701 has a serious design fault with
the design of the=0A>> front strut and the nose wheel and rudder always be
ing linked=0A>> together unlike production aircraft.=0A>>=0A>> My topic was
meant to address this design flaw not to critique our=0A>> landings. 36 ye
ars of flying certified aircraft has never resulted in any=0A>> damage or h
ard landings as in the CH701=0A>>=0A>> --------=0A>> John ch701 912
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