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2. 12:47 PM - Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims (JohnDRead@aol.com)
3. 03:56 PM - Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims (Tommy Walker)
4. 05:56 PM - Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims (rayj)
5. 06:09 PM - Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims (MacDonald Doug)
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7. 07:20 PM - Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims (Larry)
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Thanks for all the info. I'll not be putting any more vents in.
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> 1. 08:27 AM - 701 air vent (sam hord)
> 2. 09:06 AM - Re: 701 air vent (John Marzulli)
> 3. 10:15 AM - Re: 701 TIPS ONTO TAIL (JobeCreek)
> 4. 11:37 AM - 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims (Keith
> Ashcraft)
> 5. 11:51 AM - Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims
> (MacDonald Doug)
> 6. 11:56 AM - Re: 701 air vent (MacDonald Doug)
> 7. 12:20 PM - Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims (Keith
> Ashcraft)
> 8. 12:47 PM - Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims (Doug
> MacDonald)
> 9. 01:33 PM - Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims (John
> Marzulli)
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> Time: 08:27:43 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 air vent
> From: sam hord <samhord2@gmail.com>
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> Has anyone put an air vent in the cowl of a 701 for cooling at their feet?
> I was thinking of just forward of the door down low. What kind of vent?
>
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> Time: 09:06:29 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 air vent
> From: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
>
> I was just flying yesterday with the doors on in 90F weather.
>
> The bubble doors are hard to seal to wind will just come in. You won't need
> vents for your feet.
>
>
> John Marzulli
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> http://MarzulliPhoto.net/
> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:27 AM, sam hord <samhord2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Has anyone put an air vent in the cowl of a 701 for cooling at their
> feet?
> > I was thinking of just forward of the door down low. What kind of vent?
> >
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> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 TIPS ONTO TAIL
> From: "JobeCreek" <AnIdleKing@att.net>
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>
> Thanks to all so far. Will check the gear attachment. Interesting idea.
>
> And redo weight and balance.
>
> Further ideas welcome
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381158#381158
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> Time: 11:37:48 AM PST US
> From: Keith Ashcraft <ch701builder@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims
>
>
> All,
> Any easy way to prevent the o-ring seal from sliding down the rim while
> mating
> the other half of the rim? The directions on page -15- do not exactly work
> real
> well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
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> Time: 11:51:48 AM PST US
> From: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims
>
> I don't recall the trick I used for the o-ring but it is a bit tricky to do
> .- I think I worked in a circular pattern slightly tightening up the bolt
> s and making sure the o-ring did not get pinched as I went (pulled it free)
> .- My memory is a little sparse on this step though because it was about
> five years ago.-=0A-=0AOne thing you might want to do after you get the
> rim halves mated but before inflating the tires-is grease the o-ring.-
> I and another builder each-had one wheel that would not seal.- Coincid
> entally both were the nose wheels. -A little white lithium grease spary o
> n the o-ring of the offending wheel and neither of us have had any more lea
> ks.=0A-=0ASomething to consider=0A-=0ADoug M=0ACH-701 from scratch=0ANW
> Ontario, Canada=0A=0AFrom: Keith Ashcraft <ch701builder@yahoo.com>=0ATo:
> "
> zenith701801-list@matronics.com" <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
> =0ASent:
> Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:36:51 PM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mou
> nting Matco Tubless Tires to rims=0A=0A=0A=0AAll,=0AAny easy way to prevent
> the o-ring seal from sliding down the rim while mating the other half of t
> he rim? The directions on page -15- do not exactly work real well.=0A=0ATha
> =======================
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> Time: 11:56:53 AM PST US
> From: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 air vent
>
> Sam, I installed Van's RV-10 back seat vents on either side of my boot cowl
> fairly close to where my knees are.- Generally speaking, they were unnec
> cessary.- The only time I've used them they didn't help much because it w
> as so hot that no amount of airflow was going to cool me off.- The snap v
> ents on the bubble doors move lots of air into the cockpit while flying so
> additional venting is not reallly needed.=0A-=0ADoug M=0ACH-701 from scra
> tch--=0ANW Ontario, Canada=0A=0AFrom: sam hord <samhord2@gmail.com>=0AT
> o: zenith list <zenith701801-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Saturday, August
> 18, 2012 10:27:05 AM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: 701 air vent=0A=0A=0AHas
> anyone put an air vent in the cowl of a 701 for cooling at their feet? I w
> as thinking of just forward of the door down low. What kind of vent?=0A=0A
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> Time: 12:20:25 PM PST US
> From: Keith Ashcraft <ch701builder@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims
>
> Hi Doug,=0AI just found online the directions for the 5" series rims, and..
> .. I got it to work. They state roll the o-ring to the bead part of the rim
> . It stays there enough to get the other rim half bolted. I will go back an
> put some of the lithium grease on it before I finish everything.=0A=0AAlso
> , what tire pressure did you start out with?=0A=0AThanks again,=0AKeith=0A*
> ***********************************************************=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_
> _______________________________=0A From: MacDonald Doug <
> dougsnash@yahoo.co
> m>=0ATo: "zenith701801-list@matronics.com" <
> zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> > =0ASent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith701801-L
> ist: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims=0A =0A=0AI don't recall the t
> rick I used for the o-ring but it is a bit tricky to do.- I think I worke
> d in a circular pattern slightly tightening up the bolts and making sure th
> e o-ring did not get pinched as I went (pulled it free).- My memory is a
> little sparse on this step though because it was about five years ago.-
> =0A-=0AOne thing you might want to do after you get the rim halves mated
> but before inflating the tires-is grease the o-ring.- I and another bui
> lder each-had one wheel that would not seal.- Coincidentally both were
> the nose wheels. -A little white lithium grease spary on the o-ring of th
> e offending wheel and neither of us have had any more leaks.=0A-=0ASometh
> ing to consider=0A-=0ADoug M=0ACH-701 from scratch=0ANW Ontario, Canada
> =0A=0AFrom: Keith Ashcraft <ch701builder@yahoo.com>=0ATo:
> "zenith701801-lis
> t@matronics.com" <zenith701801-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Saturday,
> Augus
> t 18, 2012 1:36:51 PM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubl
> ess Tires to rims=0A=0A=0A=0AAll,=0AAny easy way to prevent the o-ring seal
> from sliding down the rim while mating the other half of the rim? The dire
> ctions on page -15- do not exactly work real well.=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0AKeith
> =0A =0Aist" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigat
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> Time: 12:47:39 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims
> From: Doug MacDonald <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>
> It doesn't take much pressure to fill these tires, only a couple of psi I
> th
> ink. I don't specifically fill them to a pressure now. I usually just
> fill
> them enough so they keep their shape.
>
> Doug M
> Nw Ontario, Canada
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 2012-08-18, at 2:20 PM, Keith Ashcraft <ch701builder@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Doug,
> > I just found online the directions for the 5" series rims, and.... I got
> i
> t to work. They state roll the o-ring to the bead part of the rim. It
> stays t
> here enough to get the other rim half bolted. I will go back an put some
> of t
> he lithium grease on it before I finish everything.
> >
> > Also, what tire pressure did you start out with?
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Keith
> > ************************************************************
> >
> >
> > From: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
> > To: "zenith701801-list@matronics.com" <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:51 PM
> > Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims
> >
> > I don't recall the trick I used for the o-ring but it is a bit tricky to
> d
> o. I think I worked in a circular pattern slightly tightening up the
> bolts a
> nd making sure the o-ring did not get pinched as I went (pulled it free).
> M
> y memory is a little sparse on this step though because it was about five
> ye
> ars ago.
> >
> > One thing you might want to do after you get the rim halves mated but
> befo
> re inflating the tires is grease the o-ring. I and another builder each
> had
> one wheel that would not seal. Coincidentally both were the nose wheels.
> A
> little white lithium grease spary on the o-ring of the offending wheel
> and n
> either of us have had any more leaks.
> >
> > Something to consider
> >
> > Doug M
> > CH-701 from scratch
> > NW Ontario, Canada
> >
> > From: Keith Ashcraft <ch701builder@yahoo.com>
> > To: "zenith701801-list@matronics.com" <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:36:51 PM
> > Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims
> >
> >
> > All,
> > Any easy way to prevent the o-ring seal from sliding down the rim while
> ma
> ting the other half of the rim? The directions on page -15- do not exactly
> w
> ork real well.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Keith
> >
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> Time: 01:33:56 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims
> From: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
>
> It helps to have two people when doing the o-rings.
>
> I'm using the 21" tires at 8PSI which makes them about 19".
>
>
> John Marzulli
>
> http://MarzulliPhoto.net/
> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Doug MacDonald <dougsnash@yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > It doesn't take much pressure to fill these tires, only a couple of psi I
> > think. I don't specifically fill them to a pressure now. I usually just
> > fill them enough so they keep their shape.
> >
> > Doug M
> > Nw Ontario, Canada
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On 2012-08-18, at 2:20 PM, Keith Ashcraft <ch701builder@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Doug,
> > I just found online the directions for the 5" series rims, and.... I got
> > it to work. They state roll the o-ring to the bead part of the rim. It
> > stays there enough to get the other rim half bolted. I will go back an
> put
> > some of the lithium grease on it before I finish everything.
> >
> > Also, what tire pressure did you start out with?
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Keith
> > ************************************************************
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
> > *To:* "zenith701801-list@matronics.com" <zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> >
> > *Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2012 12:51 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to
> rims
> >
> > I don't recall the trick I used for the o-ring but it is a bit tricky to
> > do. I think I worked in a circular pattern slightly tightening up the
> > bolts and making sure the o-ring did not get pinched as I went (pulled it
> > free). My memory is a little sparse on this step though because it was
> > about five years ago.
> >
> > One thing you might want to do after you get the rim halves mated but
> > before inflating the tires is grease the o-ring. I and another builder
> > each had one wheel that would not seal. Coincidentally both were the
> nose
> > wheels. A little white lithium grease spary on the o-ring of the
> offending
> > wheel and neither of us have had any more leaks.
> >
> > Something to consider
> >
> > Doug M
> > CH-701 from scratch
> > NW Ontario, Canada
> >
> > *From:* Keith Ashcraft <ch701builder@yahoo.com>
> > *To:* "zenith701801-list@matronics.com" <zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> >
> > *Sent:* Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:36:51 PM
> > *Subject:* Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims
> >
> >
> > All,
> > Any easy way to prevent the o-ring seal from sliding down the rim while
> > mating the other half of the rim? The directions on page -15- do not
> > exactly work real well.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Keith
> >
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims |
I gave up and bought tubes for mine.
Regards, John
CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
Cell: 719-494-4567
Home: 303-648-3261
In a message dated 8/18/2012 12:37:57 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
ch701builder@yahoo.com writes:
All,
Any easy way to prevent the o-ring seal from sliding down the rim while
mating the other half of the rim? The directions on page -15- do not exactly
work real well.
Thanks,
Keith
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims |
Bought tubes for the second 701 and used the o-rings for the first. Putting
the o-rings in was a two man job for us.
Tommy
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:46 PM, JohnDRead@aol.com wrote:
> I gave up and bought tubes for mine.
>
> Regards, John
>
> CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
>
> Cell: 719-494-4567
> Home: 303-648-3261
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2012 12:37:57 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, ch701bu
ilder@yahoo.com writes:
>
> All,
> Any easy way to prevent the o-ring seal from sliding down the rim while ma
ting the other half of the rim? The directions on page -15- do not exactly w
ork real well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims |
Greetings,
Aside from weight, what are the merits of tubeless vs. tubes. If this
is an old topic, just send me to the archives.
Thanks,
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN.
"And you know that I could have me a million more friends,
and all I'd have to lose is my point of view." - John Prine
On 08/19/2012 05:55 PM, Tommy Walker wrote:
> Bought tubes for the second 701 and used the o-rings for the first.
> Putting the o-rings in was a two man job for us.
>
>
> Tommy
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:46 PM, JohnDRead@aol.com
> <mailto:JohnDRead@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I gave up and bought tubes for mine.
>> Regards, John
>>
>> CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300
>>
>> Cell: 719-494-4567
>> Home: 303-648-3261
>> In a message dated 8/18/2012 12:37:57 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
>> ch701builder@yahoo.com <mailto:ch701builder@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>
>> All,
>> Any easy way to prevent the o-ring seal from sliding down the rim
>> while mating the other half of the rim? The directions on page
>> -15- do not exactly work real well.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Keith
>>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims |
Raymond,-Tubes vs no tubes-is one of those topics that is never really
settled (green vs red scotchbrite or prime vs no prime, etc)- Personally,
with no leaks after greasing the nose wheel o-ring, I don't see any advant
age to putting tubes in the tires.- On the other side of the argument, so
me people will insist that it is impossible to seal a tubless tire with a s
plit rim.=0A-=0ABasically, try it without a tube and if you have good luc
k like I did, great.- If not, tubes are available (but I don't know where
from).- As you suggested, there is probably lots of discussion about thi
s in the archives.- If not on the 701/801 list archives then likely on th
e old main Zenith list.=0A-=0ADoug MacDonald=0ACH-701 from scratch=0ANW O
ntario, Canada=0A=0AFrom: rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net>=0ATo: zenith70180
1-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:55:58 PM=0ASubject:
Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims=0A=0A--> Z
enith701801-List message posted by: rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net>=0A=0AGr
eetings,=0A=0AAside from weight, what are the merits of tubeless vs. tubes.
- If this =0Ais an old topic, just send me to the archives.=0A=0AThanks,
=0ARaymond Julian=0AKettle River, MN.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims |
Doug, I got tubes from my local independent tire dealer who also repaired la
wn mower tires....
Tommy
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 19, 2012, at 9:08 PM, MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Raymond, Tubes vs no tubes is one of those topics that is never really set
tled (green vs red scotchbrite or prime vs no prime, etc) Personally, with n
o leaks after greasing the nose wheel o-ring, I don't see any advantage to p
utting tubes in the tires. On the other side of the argument, some people w
ill insist that it is impossible to seal a tubless tire with a split rim.
>
> Basically, try it without a tube and if you have good luck like I did, gre
at. If not, tubes are available (but I don't know where from). As you sugg
ested, there is probably lots of discussion about this in the archives. If n
ot on the 701/801 list archives then likely on the old main Zenith list.
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 from scratch
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
> From: rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:55:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims
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>
> Greetings,
>
> Aside from weight, what are the merits of tubeless vs. tubes. If this
> is an old topic, just send me to the archives.
>
> Thanks,
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims |
The possible problem with tubeless tires is pretty simple. Low
pressure, hard landing/bad hit, it can blow the bead. Whereas with a
tube, that can't happen. I don't know what kind of tires Zenith now
supplies, but they used to supply tube type tires and recommend using
them tubeless. I never thought that was a good idea or the right way to
go. Larry
On 8/19/2012 8:08 PM, MacDonald Doug wrote:
> Raymond, Tubes vs no tubes is one of those topics that is never really
> settled (green vs red scotchbrite or prime vs no prime, etc)
> Personally, with no leaks after greasing the nose wheel o-ring, I don't
> see any advantage to putting tubes in the tires. On the other side of
> the argument, some people will insist that it is impossible to seal a
> tubless tire with a split rim.
> Basically, try it without a tube and if you have good luck like I did,
> great. If not, tubes are available (but I don't know where from). As
> you suggested, there is probably lots of discussion about this in the
> archives. If not on the 701/801 list archives then likely on the old
> main Zenith list.
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 from scratch
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
> *From:* rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
> *To:* zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 19, 2012 7:55:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith701801-List: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims
>
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Aside from weight, what are the merits of tubeless vs. tubes. If this
> is an old topic, just send me to the archives.
>
> Thanks,
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN.
>
>
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