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1. 09:44 AM - Re: new 701 pilot (sonar1@cox.net)
2. 12:39 PM - Re: new 701 pilot (Tipton,Paul B)
3. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: new 701 pilot (frank goodnight)
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| Subject: | Re: new 701 pilot |
Hi Frank:
Congrats on finishing.
My patterns at my uncontrolled airport are very close-in.
I use 60 mph on final no-flap and pull the power at the threshold.
For short field, when I turn final, I slow to 50 so I can get the flaps down -
any faster, and it is really hard - and pull off ALL the power. The approach is
steep, but is controllable. Don't like ever getting behind the power curve,
as some 701 drivers do. If I am going to overshoot the end of the runway, I have
discovered that slowing does not steepen the glide angle - I have to dive
and pick up speed, and then pull it back to 50. When to flare is obvious, and
I have had very few miscalculations. Often will get radio calls about "wow - now
that's a short field landing"
Fred Sanford - flying since 2003
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| Subject: | Re: new 701 pilot |
Congratulations on getting up in the air.
The 701 is certainly much different than the Cessna's or anything else for
that matter. My pattern is flown mostly at cruise speed (90-95 MPH). My p
attern is flown pretty close to the runway. Opposite the end of the runway
I reduce RPM (on the Rotax 912) to 3,000. I turn my base at a 45 to the e
nd of the runway having reduced speed to 60. I will gradually reduce speed
to 50 on short final and carry that to the runway. My RPM will remain abo
ut 3,000. The less I fool with the throttle the more stabilized approach I
make. I can land in 300-500' that way. I don't bother with the flaps. I
don't need to land shorter than that. The more flaps are applied the less
flair will happen and the more accurate you are going to have to be with h
eight above the runway. With full flaps you can land and park it at the sa
me time. It simply stops flying and drops in from whatever height you happ
en to be. Ask me how I know that!
Even without flaps, takeoffs are a 4-5 second deal. Flaps do nothing but s
low you down and increase the time you remain in ground effect. The wing +
slat works great all by itself. Fly away at 60 to get height quickly or 7
0 for passengers to feel more comfortable.
It is a plane with a simple, well thought out design.
It is fun to fly... happy flying!
Paul Tipton
321PT
300 hours
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| Subject: | Re: new 701 pilot |
There were too many responces to my questions for me to thank each person .
So I would like to say thanks to everyone that took the time to send me
information.
The answers gave me a feel for what is the usual way to proceed with my phase
1.
Much more confidence inspiring than guessing , like i was doing.
Fly safe and fair winds .
Frank Goodnight
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From: jf3sb <jf3sb@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, December 25, 2012 7:58:41 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: new 701 pilot
I've never flown anything but Cessna 152s and 172's until I started on my 701
Phase I so the transition has taken some time and is still very much ongoing.
I've been using 55 KIAS on base and final with no flaps, mainly because there's
usually other faster traffic in the Class D that I don't want to hold up.
45-50 works, but its not very polite for the Citation who's hot on my butt...
I'm also gradually flying narrower patterns as I get more familiar with it. If
I fly the standard "Cessna" pattern, (1/2 mile base and final) I end up having
to drag it in with a lot of power. The higher airspeed over the numbers always
makes it easier to grease it on and save the tires.
On short and soft fields I expect my norm will be full flaps and 40 KIAS or so,
but I haven't played with it enough yet to know. I definitely agree that its
best to get comfortable with the flaps at altitude first as they really add a
lot of drag, and it already can drop out on you even without flaps if you take
too much power out too fast.
Check out John Marzulli's videos on You-tube and Roger at Zenith has a good one
on there too. I mounted a video camera in the cockpit kind of on the same order
as John's and plugged the mic into the intercom. That really helped a lot
during Phase I testing, especially if you only get a chance to fly every few
weeks.
Enjoy the ride. If you go into it with the same attitude as building, the flight
testing is every bit as fun.
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