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Dan,
I am a brand new 701 pilot ( 10 hrs ) It may be helpful if you would tell
me at
what altitude you like to be when you cross the numbers downwind and pull the
power to idle and what airspeed you like to hold from there to touchdown.
When I try that @ 50 mph , flaps or no flaps , seems like the airplane just
about falls straight
down. I chicken out at various alt and drag it in with power because I can't
believe
I have enough energy left to flair. Airplane is a stock 701 with 100 hp rotax.
I normally fly a kolb firestar , 300+ hrs so i'm used to a light dragy plane
that runs out of
energy at touchdown. In all other respects the 701 gives me no problem. I would
really like to learn to use it in a way that I don't have to drag it in unless
i
want to.
Thanks for any thoughts you ( or others) may have.
Frank
Fayetteville, AR
________________________________
From: Dan Wilde <stolpilot.wilde@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, April 2, 2It 013 5:38:37 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Slats
On 4/2/2013 11:06 AM, ronlee wrote:
>
> Come land with me in my 701 and you will see that it is a rare landing that I
>don't have the throttle at dead idle and full flaps from the numbers on downwind
>to touchdown, slats or no slats. The only time I have to add power at all is if
>there is a strong wind coming down the runway, and then it is my fault because
I
>didn't compensate for it by turning base soon enough. If my engine quits at the
>numbers I want to be able to make it to the threshold of the runway.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
I agree with you Ron. I almost never land with power above idle and I
have full flaps on final. This is with the slats.
Dan Wilde
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On 4/3/2013 7:38 AM, frank goodnight wrote:
> Dan,
> I am a brand new 701 pilot ( 10 hrs ) It may be helpful if you
> would tell me at
> what altitude you like to be when you cross the numbers downwind and
> pull the
> power to idle and what airspeed you like to hold from there to touchdown.
>
> When I try that @ 50 mph , flaps or no flaps , seems like the airplane
> just about falls straight
> down. I chicken out at various alt and drag it in with power because I
> can't believe
> I have enough energy left to flair. Airplane is a stock 701 with 100
> hp rotax.
> I normally fly a kolb firestar , 300+ hrs so i'm used to a light
> dragy plane that runs out of
> energy at touchdown. In all other respects the 701 gives me no
> problem. I would really like to learn to use it in a way that I don't
> have to drag it in unless i want to.
> Thanks for any thoughts you ( or others) may have.
> Frank
> Fayetteville, AR
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> **
Frank: At my home runway (900 feet with 50 foot trees on the North
end), I have to clear 20 foot trees(South end) before landing. Just
before the edge of the trees I try to be at 50 mph with full flaps.
When I chop the power at just before the tree line, I stop looking at
the airspeed but I do lower the nose for a little bit to insure
sufficient speed for flaring. With my wife along, she says the
airspeed indicator reads about 35 when we touch. I have been a little
slow a time or two and ended up doing a three point landing.
When I cut power, I have to be at the tree line because the plane will
immediately slow and drop like a rock. I have tickled the tree tops a
couple of times so now I try to be at least 5 feet over them before
cutting power. If I did not lower the nose at the same time I cut
power, I would likely not have sufficient speed to properly flair. Air
movement above the tree line and below the tree line can be different.
Even just a couple miles per hour can make a difference with the slow
speeds we fly.
This works for me. Your mileage may vary.
Dan Wilde
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Thanks Dan.
Frank
do not archive
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From: Dan Wilde <stolpilot.wilde@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, April 3, 2013 12:00:25 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Slats
On 4/3/2013 7:38 AM, frank goodnight wrote:
Dan,
>I am a brand new 701 pilot ( 10 hrs ) It may be helpful if you
>would tell me at
>what altitude you like to be when you cross the numbers downwind and
>pull the
>power to idle and what airspeed you like to hold from there to
>touchdown.
>
>
>When I try that @ 50 mph , flaps or no flaps , seems like the airplane
>just about falls straight
>down. I chicken out at various alt and drag it in with power because
I
>can't believe
>I have enough energy left to flair. Airplane is a stock 701 with 100
>hp rotax.
> I normally fly a kolb firestar , 300+ hrs so i'm used to a light
>dragy plane that runs out of
>energy at touchdown. In all other respects the 701 gives me no
>problem. I would really like to learn to use it in a way that I don't
>have to drag it in unless i want to.
>Thanks for any thoughts you ( or others) may have.
>Frank
>Fayetteville, AR
>
>
________________________________
>
Frank: At my home runway (900 feet with 50 foot trees on the North end), I
have to clear 20 foot trees(South end) before landing. Just before the edge
of the trees I try to be at 50 mph with full flaps. When I chop the power
at just before the tree line, I stop looking at the airspeed but I do lower
the nose for a little bit to insure sufficient speed for flaring. With my
wife along, she says the airspeed indicator reads about 35 when we touch.
I have been a little slow a time or two and ended up doing a three point
landing.
When I cut power, I have to be at the tree line because the plane will
immediately slow and drop like a rock. I have tickled the tree tops a
couple of times so now I try to be at least 5 feet over them before cutting
power. If I did not lower the nose at the same time I cut power, I would
likely not have sufficient speed to properly flair. Air movement above the
tree line and below the tree line can be different. Even just a couple
miles per hour can make a difference with the slow speeds we fly.
This works for me. Your mileage may vary.
Dan Wilde
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