---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/16/13: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:28 PM - Re: Slats (ejessee) 2. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Slats (John Marzulli) 3. 03:20 PM - Re: Re: Slats (MacDonald Doug) 4. 04:19 PM - Re: Re: Slats (Ben) 5. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: Slats (Randall Hebert) 6. 07:01 PM - Re: Re: Slats (fritz) 7. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: Slats (MacDonald Doug) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Slats From: "ejessee" I have read as many "slats" posts as I can find and I don't think this is addressed. Please do not scold me if it is. I am considering removing my slats. I may not even add VG's.. not now anyway. I use my 701 for cruising and really never need short take-off or landing. All of the explanations I have read about the 701 without slats sounds like an improvement for the plane AS I USE IT. My question is.. what is Chris Heinz and Zenith's policy on removing slats? Can I tell my insurance company that this is an "approved modification"? If I cannot, then I am sure my insurance immediately becomes useless once I take them off. Still expensive... but useless. regards -------- Ernest Jessee N4931M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398748#398748 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Slats From: John Marzulli I can't remember the combination removed slats and no VGs being discussed here.... That said, I do not think the speed penalty of the VGs is very high. Vno is listed as 90MPH, Vne is 110MPH. With slats I get 85MPH cruise, so you can not go too much faster in the first place. John Marzulli http://MarzulliPhoto.net/ http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM, ejessee wrote: > > I have read as many "slats" posts as I can find and I don't think this is > addressed. Please do not scold me if it is. > > I am considering removing my slats. I may not even add VG's.. not now > anyway. I use my 701 for cruising and really never need short take-off or > landing. All of the explanations I have read about the 701 without slats > sounds like an improvement for the plane AS I USE IT. > > My question is.. what is Chris Heinz and Zenith's policy on removing > slats? Can I tell my insurance company that this is an "approved > modification"? If I cannot, then I am sure my insurance immediately > becomes useless once I take them off. Still expensive... but useless. > > regards > > -------- > Ernest Jessee > N4931M > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398748#398748 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:07 PM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Slats it's been done before and did not have very good take off performance.- T he VGs really do work well to return much of the traditional take off perfo rmance and don't have as much drag as the slats.=0A-=0AOuch, I'm starting to sound like a convert.=0A-=0ANope.- There I have the urge to remove my slats back under control.=0A-=0ADoug M=0AA scratch build 701 happily c ruising around Northwestern Ontario with a set of slats.=0A-=0A =0A=0A___ _____________________________=0A From: John Marzulli =0ATo: "zenith701801-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:46:22 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith701801- List: Re: Slats=0A =0A=0A=0AI can't remember the combination removed slats and no VGs being discussed here....=0A=0AThat said, I do not think the spe ed penalty of the VGs is very high.=0A=0AVno is listed as 90MPH, Vne is 110 MPH. =0A=0AWith slats I get 85MPH cruise, so you can not go too much faster in the first place.=0A=0A=0AJohn Marzulli=0A=0Ahttp://MarzulliPhoto.net/ =0Ahttp://701Builder.blogspot.com/ =0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:28 P M, ejessee wrote:=0A=0A--> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "ejessee" =0A>=0A>I have read as many "slat s" posts as I can find and I don't think this is addressed. -Please do no t scold me if it is.=0A>=0A>I am considering removing my slats. -I may no t even add VG's.. not now anyway. -I use my 701 for cruising and really n ever need short take-off or landing. - All of the explanations I have rea d about the 701 without slats sounds like an improvement for the plane AS I USE IT.=0A>=0A>My question is.. what is Chris Heinz and Zenith's policy on removing slats? -Can I tell my insurance company that this is an "approv ed modification"? -If I cannot, then I am sure my insurance immediately b ecomes useless once I take them off. -Still expensive... but useless.=0A> =0A>regards=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Ernest Jessee=0A>N4931M=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>R ead this topic online here:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.ph p?p=398748#398748=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>======== ====0A>-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Ze nith701801-List=0A>============0A>http://forums.matro nics.com=0A>============0A>le, List Admin.=0A>="_bl ank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>========= = ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:10 PM PST US From: "Ben" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Slats Personally... If it were me, I would get some of that 12" wide clear hel i tape and wrap the slats to cover the space between the slats and the w ing.. That way you preserve the leading edge profile since the slat lead ing edge is different then the blunt wing profile.. You also gain the ad ded wing surface area with the slats included and not alter the W&B calc s.... Theoretically the plane should fly faster and lift more.... But wh o knows the truth..YMMV. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM, ejessee wrote: I have read as many "slats" posts as I can find and I don't think this i s addressed. Please do not scold me if it is. I am considering removing my slats. I may not even add VG's.. not now a nyway. I use my 701 for cruising and really never need short take-off o r landing. All of the explanations I have read about the 701 without s lats sounds like an improvement for the plane AS I USE IT. My question is.. what is Chris Heinz and Zenith's policy on removing sla ts? Can I tell my insurance company that this is an "approved modificat ion"? If I cannot, then I am sure my insurance immediately becomes usel ess once I take them off. Still expensive... but useless. regards -------- Ernest Jessee N4931M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398748#398748 -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801 -List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List-======= =================p://www.matronics.com /contribution" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http====== ================= ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ============ ____________________________________________________________ Unusual Sleep Trick Scientists in Boston have revealed a natural sleep formula that would ha ve everyone talking. Try it tonight. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3241/516ddc3688ac75c3602a2st04duc ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:01 PM PST US From: "Randall Hebert" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Slats Go to Zenith's Website and you will find his comments. While he does not "condem" the practice, he does state that "Performance will be reduced" . I, like you, do not plan on using the extreme stol features and I have removed mine but haven't started to fly it yet. Time will tell. Randall J. Hebert Plans Building N7701P I have read as many "slats" posts as I can find and I don't think this is addressed. Please do not scold me if it is. I am considering removing my slats. I may not even add VG's.. not now anyway. I use my 701 for cruising and really never need short take-off or landing. All of the explanations I have read about the 701 without slats sounds like an improvement for the plane AS I USE IT. My question is.. what is Chris Heinz and Zenith's policy on removing slats? Can I tell my insurance company that this is an "approved modification"? If I cannot, then I am sure my insurance immediately becomes useless once I take them off. Still expensive... but useless. regards -------- Ernest Jessee N4931M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398748#398748 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:32 PM PST US From: "fritz" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Slats Why not take the "improved" 601XL wing and put it on a 701/750????? I think it would be a nice flying machine. I mentioned this to R. a long time ago, he didn't want to say to much------ WHICH I UNDERSTAND WHY!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Hebert" Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:45 PM Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Slats > > > Go to Zenith's Website and you will find his comments. While he does not > "condem" the practice, he does state that "Performance will be reduced" . > > > I, like you, do not plan on using the extreme stol features and I have > removed mine but haven't started to fly it yet. Time will tell. > > > Randall J. Hebert > Plans Building N7701P > > > I have read as many "slats" posts as I can find and I don't think this is > addressed. Please do not scold me if it is. > > I am considering removing my slats. I may not even add VG's.. not now > anyway. I use my 701 for cruising and really never need short take-off or > landing. All of the explanations I have read about the 701 without slats > sounds like an improvement for the plane AS I USE IT. > > My question is.. what is Chris Heinz and Zenith's policy on removing > slats? > Can I tell my insurance company that this is an "approved modification"? > If > I cannot, then I am sure my insurance immediately becomes useless once I > take them off. Still expensive... but useless. > > regards > > -------- > Ernest Jessee > N4931M > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398748#398748 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:09 PM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Slats Ben, I seem to recall this was essentially tried too with less than stellar performance gains.- Recall my theory that the 701 without slats essentia lly has a smaller wing and this is where the increase in speed comes from. - Blocking the slot opening would eliminate the high angle gain without t he reduced wing area to improve cruise.=0A-=0AAgain, I'm just remembering previous conversations so take what I am saying with a grain of salt.=0A -=0ADoug M=0A701 from scratch=0ANW Ontario, Canada=0A =0A=0A_____________ ___________________=0A From: Ben =0ATo: zenith701801-li st@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:17:20 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Slats=0A =0A=0A=0APersonally... If it were me,-I would get some of that 12" wide clear heli tape and wrap the slats to cove r the space between the slats and the wing.. That way you preserve the lead ing edge profile since the slat leading edge is different then the blunt wi ng profile.. You also gain the added wing surface area with the slats inclu ded and not alter the W&B calcs.... Theoretically the plane should fly fast er and lift more.... But who knows the truth..YMMV. =0Ado not archive=0A=0A =0ABen Haas=0AN801BH=0Awww.haaspowerair.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ABen Haas=0AN801BH =0Awww.haaspowerair.com=0A=0A =0AOn Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:28 PM, ejessee "ejessee" =0A>=0A>I have read as many "slats" posts as I can find and I don't think this is addressed. -Please do not scold me if it is.=0A>=0A>I am considering removing my slats. -I may not even add VG's.. not now anyway. -I use my 701 for cruising and really never need s hort take-off or landing. - All of the explanations I have read about the 701 without slats sounds like an improvement for the plane AS I USE IT.=0A >=0A>My question is.. what is Chris Heinz and Zenith's policy on removing s lats? -Can I tell my insurance company that this is an "approved modifica tion"? -If I cannot, then I am sure my insurance immediately becomes usel ess once I take them off. -Still expensive... but useless.=0A>=0A>regards =0A>=0A>--------=0A>Ernest Jessee=0A>N4931M=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this to pic online here:=0A>=0A>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=39874 8#398748=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=========== =0A>-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith70180 1-List=0A>============0A>http://forums.matronics.com =0A>============0A>le, List Admin.=0A>="_blank">htt p://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A>============0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List-= =======================p://ww w.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http== ====================== =0A=0A =0A======================== =============0A1-List">http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Zenith701801-List=0A================ =====================0Atronics.com =0A======================== =============0Awww.matronics.com/contribution=0A= ========== =0A=0A_____________________________________ _______________________=0AUnusual Sleep Trick=0AScientists in Boston have r evealed a natural sleep formula that would have everyone talking. 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