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1. 02:34 AM - Re: Re: It's time to retire this list (Dave)
2. 09:34 AM - Engine choice (rayj)
3. 10:25 AM - Re: Engine choice (Dave)
4. 11:14 AM - Re: Engine choice (Ken Ryan)
5. 11:24 AM - Re: Engine choice (rayj)
6. 11:45 AM - Re: Engine choice (Craig Payne)
7. 11:51 AM - Re: Engine choice (Dave)
8. 12:02 PM - Re: Engine choice (rayj)
9. 12:39 PM - Re: Engine choice (Craig Payne)
10. 12:42 PM - Re: Engine choice (Craig Payne)
11. 08:33 PM - Re: Engine choice (rayj)
12. 08:34 PM - Re: Engine choice (rayj)
13. 10:41 PM - Re: Engine choice (Michael Daniels)
14. 11:13 PM - Re: Engine choice (rayj)
15. 11:33 PM - Re: Engine choice (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: It's time to retire this list |
And there exactly is the point of keeping this one. Until S. began his
campaign to kill this list it was silent except for short questions and
answers, no long winded discussions or other news and current affairs.
His original complaint was "waste of time" to check it. If there is not
any useless "noise" like this discussion it takes no time at all to
track the list. I like it that way.
So, lets leave the list and kill this thread, no replies would be nice.
----- Original Message -----
From: fritz
Most lists turn into a clique anyways----- folks don't want answers to
problems--- they want " reinforcement"
to what they want to do anyways.
Fritz
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I weighing my options for engines right now and would like some input
from those who are doing the same or have already made their decision.
I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
Looking forward to any comments except that I should retire this list
and post somewhere else. :)
--
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best for
your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200. Reliable,
proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is ideal for a
draggy slow aircraft.
>
>
> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
Recommend you look over the Jabiru list archives before making your
decision. I fournd it to be an eye opener.
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:31 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> I weighing my options for engines right now and would like some input from
> those who are doing the same or have already made their decision.
>
> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the best
> cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>
> Looking forward to any comments except that I should retire this list and
> post somewhere else. :)
> --
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
Dave,
Thanks for the reply.
I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>
> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>
>>
>>
>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>
>
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There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for some
reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
Dave,
Thanks for the reply.
I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>
> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>
>>
>>
>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
I understand, there is where the "best for your situation" comes in. One can
get uncertified O-200's or ones in need of service or in unknown condition
so inexpensively that I could never overlook them. They are simple in the
extreme and easy to service. If you cannot achieve the "extremely
inexpensive" position with it then other options become more attractive.
----- Original Message -----
From: "rayj" <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I looking
> for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>
> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>>
>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
Craig,
Thanks for the reply.
I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
about the rotax.
My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"<craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for some
> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
> To: zenith750-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>
> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Dave"<d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>
>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I'm afraid you have to put resale value aside, regardless of your engine
choice. Look through Branstormers and there are all kinds of experimentals
for sale at below what the builders have in them.
Also (having owned but not flown Corvair, Jabiru and Rotax engines on Zenith
aircraft) you will have a hard time meeting your desire for a "tab A in slot
B" FWF. You can get close but if you read through the engine-specific lists
you see a lot of tinkering is required. Part of this is the "Internet
effect" - only those with problems post messages. But none of these FWF kits
are a slam-dunk. On the Jabiru you get to fiddle with the cooling and carb.
In a slow flying plane like the 750 cooling is an issue. If you ask William
Wynne I don't think he ever achieved adequate cooling on the Corvair-powerd
701.
I'm putting a Rotax on my 701 but it might be underpowered for the 750. Of
course I live at 7000 ft and am surrounded by 10,000 ft peaks so I am more
sensitive to power needs.
Also pay attention to weight and balance. Getting accurate data is hard but
with the wrong engine you can end up with a plane that is not very useful.
The best thing to do is get real W&B numbers from flying 750.
If I was in your shoes and expected to fly below 5000 ft I would look hard
at the Rotax. There is a lot of plumbing to hook up. But it is light, there
are thousands flying and it will run cool at low speeds. I know of two that
have flown around the world (one with legs of 23+ hours).
If you choose to build a non-LSA 750 (via the new gross limit) you will have
more choices. But I suspect that a non-LSA 750 would be harder to sell.
If your future is uncertain then rent. You can get a lot of hours in a
Cessna 150 for the price of a 750.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
Craig,
Thanks for the reply.
I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
about the rotax.
My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
Payne"<craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for
some
> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
> To: zenith750-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>
> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Dave"<d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>
>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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This is what Jon Croke wrote about the factory FWF packages for the 750 in
September:
"I just called Zenith and talked to Shirley... I didn't realize it was not
listed on the website - you are correct - I could not find it either!
It IS available directly from Zenith (manufactured by Zenair, not Can-zac)
for the current price of $6125.
Also, the Jabiru FWF is now to be purchased directly from Zenith, as well as
the Continental (but that one is only prop, mount, baffle)
Of course, the Rotax engine is available from Zenith... but just like
seafood, the price is "market price" - ask your waiter."
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
Craig,
Thanks for the reply.
I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
about the rotax.
My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
Payne"<craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for
some
> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
> To: zenith750-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>
> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Dave"<d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>
>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
Craig,
You bring up some interesting points. Unfortunately, renting a 150 isn't
and option. I'll keep doing my research.
Does anybody know right off hand if Zenith usually has any show specials
at Air Venture? Same question for Rotax, Jab, and Cont.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 02:36 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"<craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> I'm afraid you have to put resale value aside, regardless of your engine
> choice. Look through Branstormers and there are all kinds of experimentals
> for sale at below what the builders have in them.
>
> Also (having owned but not flown Corvair, Jabiru and Rotax engines on Zenith
> aircraft) you will have a hard time meeting your desire for a "tab A in slot
> B" FWF. You can get close but if you read through the engine-specific lists
> you see a lot of tinkering is required. Part of this is the "Internet
> effect" - only those with problems post messages. But none of these FWF kits
> are a slam-dunk. On the Jabiru you get to fiddle with the cooling and carb.
> In a slow flying plane like the 750 cooling is an issue. If you ask William
> Wynne I don't think he ever achieved adequate cooling on the Corvair-powerd
> 701.
>
> I'm putting a Rotax on my 701 but it might be underpowered for the 750. Of
> course I live at 7000 ft and am surrounded by 10,000 ft peaks so I am more
> sensitive to power needs.
>
> Also pay attention to weight and balance. Getting accurate data is hard but
> with the wrong engine you can end up with a plane that is not very useful.
> The best thing to do is get real W&B numbers from flying 750.
>
> If I was in your shoes and expected to fly below 5000 ft I would look hard
> at the Rotax. There is a lot of plumbing to hook up. But it is light, there
> are thousands flying and it will run cool at low speeds. I know of two that
> have flown around the world (one with legs of 23+ hours).
>
> If you choose to build a non-LSA 750 (via the new gross limit) you will have
> more choices. But I suspect that a non-LSA 750 would be harder to sell.
>
> If your future is uncertain then rent. You can get a lot of hours in a
> Cessna 150 for the price of a 750.
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00 PM
> To: zenith750-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>
> Craig,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
> they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
> about the rotax.
>
> My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
> conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
> is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
> unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
> Payne"<craig@craigandjean.com>
>>
>> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for
> some
>> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
>>
>> -- Craig
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
>> To: zenith750-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
>> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
>> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>>
>> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
>> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Dave"<d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>>
>>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>>
>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
Ken,
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll take a look.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 12/31/2010 01:12 PM, Ken Ryan wrote:
> Recommend you look over the Jabiru list archives before making your
> decision. I fournd it to be an eye opener.
>
> On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:31 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:raymondj@frontiernet.net>>
>
> I weighing my options for engines right now and would like some
> input from those who are doing the same or have already made their
> decision.
>
> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like
> the best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>
> Looking forward to any comments except that I should retire this
> list and post somewhere else. :)
> --
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
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| Subject: | Re: Engine choice |
I'm in the same spot trying to decide which engine. I'm not far along in my build
so I have some time. I'm leaning toward the 3300 as well. Seems like a good
bang for the buck. I have read most of the issues owners have had and have heard
that the new cowl fixes most of the cooling issues. I have a friend flying
a 3300 in a Bush Caddy and he loves it.
Hard to beat the reliability and reputation of an 0200, but 3300 weighs less with
more power too.
The Rotax seems like a good option, but pricy to buy, pricy to maintain. I'm taking
2 Rotax classes in late February maybe I will feel differently after.
Anyone on the list have a flying 750?
What are you running?
Thanks,
Mike
On Dec 31, 2010, at 8:30 PM, rayj <raymondj@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
> Craig,
>
> You bring up some interesting points. Unfortunately, renting a 150 isn't and
option. I'll keep doing my research.
>
> Does anybody know right off hand if Zenith usually has any show specials at Air
Venture? Same question for Rotax, Jab, and Cont.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> On 12/31/2010 02:36 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"<craig@craigandjean.com>
>>
>> I'm afraid you have to put resale value aside, regardless of your engine
>> choice. Look through Branstormers and there are all kinds of experimentals
>> for sale at below what the builders have in them.
>>
>> Also (having owned but not flown Corvair, Jabiru and Rotax engines on Zenith
>> aircraft) you will have a hard time meeting your desire for a "tab A in slot
>> B" FWF. You can get close but if you read through the engine-specific lists
>> you see a lot of tinkering is required. Part of this is the "Internet
>> effect" - only those with problems post messages. But none of these FWF kits
>> are a slam-dunk. On the Jabiru you get to fiddle with the cooling and carb.
>> In a slow flying plane like the 750 cooling is an issue. If you ask William
>> Wynne I don't think he ever achieved adequate cooling on the Corvair-powerd
>> 701.
>>
>> I'm putting a Rotax on my 701 but it might be underpowered for the 750. Of
>> course I live at 7000 ft and am surrounded by 10,000 ft peaks so I am more
>> sensitive to power needs.
>>
>> Also pay attention to weight and balance. Getting accurate data is hard but
>> with the wrong engine you can end up with a plane that is not very useful.
>> The best thing to do is get real W&B numbers from flying 750.
>>
>> If I was in your shoes and expected to fly below 5000 ft I would look hard
>> at the Rotax. There is a lot of plumbing to hook up. But it is light, there
>> are thousands flying and it will run cool at low speeds. I know of two that
>> have flown around the world (one with legs of 23+ hours).
>>
>> If you choose to build a non-LSA 750 (via the new gross limit) you will have
>> more choices. But I suspect that a non-LSA 750 would be harder to sell.
>>
>> If your future is uncertain then rent. You can get a lot of hours in a
>> Cessna 150 for the price of a 750.
>>
>> -- Craig
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00 PM
>> To: zenith750-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> Craig,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply.
>>
>> I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
>> they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
>> about the rotax.
>>
>> My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
>> conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
>> is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
>> unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
>> Payne"<craig@craigandjean.com>
>>>
>>> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for
>> some
>>> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
>>>
>>> -- Craig
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
>>> To: zenith750-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>>
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
>>> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
>>> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>>>
>>> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
>>> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
>>> Raymond Julian
>>> Kettle River, MN
>>>
>>> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Dave"<d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>>>
>>>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>>>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>>>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>>>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>>>
>>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Mike,
From what I've read it sounds like Jab knows what the solution is. The
problem is whether or not it can be implemented. My gut feeling is that
Zenith has the problem solved or they wouldn't be advertising it as a
designed to fit option.
People are talking about the O200. The one Zenith lists on their web
site it the NEW O200 Lightweight. New from Cont. for the lsa market.
Cont has a good rep but is seems like there's usually a few bugs in any
new product. Zenith doesn't have a FWF package yet but they say they
are developing one.
I'm not in a big hurry to make a decision myself. I'm hoping to decide
by Oshkosh and maybe be able to take advantage of a show special.
I'd be interested to hear what you think after your classes. I've heard
rumors that you have to take a class to work on your engine, even if
it's in an experimental.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 01/01/2011 12:29 AM, Michael Daniels wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: Michael Daniels<buells2t@gmail.com>
>
> I'm in the same spot trying to decide which engine. I'm not far along in my build
so I have some time. I'm leaning toward the 3300 as well. Seems like a good
bang for the buck. I have read most of the issues owners have had and have
heard that the new cowl fixes most of the cooling issues. I have a friend flying
a 3300 in a Bush Caddy and he loves it.
>
> Hard to beat the reliability and reputation of an 0200, but 3300 weighs less
with more power too.
>
> The Rotax seems like a good option, but pricy to buy, pricy to maintain. I'm
taking 2 Rotax classes in late February maybe I will feel differently after.
>
> Anyone on the list have a flying 750?
> What are you running?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2010, at 8:30 PM, rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> Craig,
>>
>> You bring up some interesting points. Unfortunately, renting a 150 isn't and
option. I'll keep doing my research.
>>
>> Does anybody know right off hand if Zenith usually has any show specials at
Air Venture? Same question for Rotax, Jab, and Cont.
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> On 12/31/2010 02:36 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"<craig@craigandjean.com>
>>>
>>> I'm afraid you have to put resale value aside, regardless of your engine
>>> choice. Look through Branstormers and there are all kinds of experimentals
>>> for sale at below what the builders have in them.
>>>
>>> Also (having owned but not flown Corvair, Jabiru and Rotax engines on Zenith
>>> aircraft) you will have a hard time meeting your desire for a "tab A in slot
>>> B" FWF. You can get close but if you read through the engine-specific lists
>>> you see a lot of tinkering is required. Part of this is the "Internet
>>> effect" - only those with problems post messages. But none of these FWF kits
>>> are a slam-dunk. On the Jabiru you get to fiddle with the cooling and carb.
>>> In a slow flying plane like the 750 cooling is an issue. If you ask William
>>> Wynne I don't think he ever achieved adequate cooling on the Corvair-powerd
>>> 701.
>>>
>>> I'm putting a Rotax on my 701 but it might be underpowered for the 750. Of
>>> course I live at 7000 ft and am surrounded by 10,000 ft peaks so I am more
>>> sensitive to power needs.
>>>
>>> Also pay attention to weight and balance. Getting accurate data is hard but
>>> with the wrong engine you can end up with a plane that is not very useful.
>>> The best thing to do is get real W&B numbers from flying 750.
>>>
>>> If I was in your shoes and expected to fly below 5000 ft I would look hard
>>> at the Rotax. There is a lot of plumbing to hook up. But it is light, there
>>> are thousands flying and it will run cool at low speeds. I know of two that
>>> have flown around the world (one with legs of 23+ hours).
>>>
>>> If you choose to build a non-LSA 750 (via the new gross limit) you will have
>>> more choices. But I suspect that a non-LSA 750 would be harder to sell.
>>>
>>> If your future is uncertain then rent. You can get a lot of hours in a
>>> Cessna 150 for the price of a 750.
>>>
>>> -- Craig
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00 PM
>>> To: zenith750-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>>
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>
>>> Craig,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>> I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
>>> they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
>>> about the rotax.
>>>
>>> My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
>>> conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
>>> is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
>>> unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
>>>
>>> Raymond Julian
>>> Kettle River, MN
>>>
>>> On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
>>> Payne"<craig@craigandjean.com>
>>>>
>>>> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for
>>> some
>>>> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a call.
>>>>
>>>> -- Craig
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
>>>> To: zenith750-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>>>
>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>>
>>>> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
>>>> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
>>>> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can find.
>>>>
>>>> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
>>>> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
>>>> Raymond Julian
>>>> Kettle River, MN
>>>>
>>>> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Dave"<d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>>>>
>>>>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>>>>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>>>>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power is
>>>>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>>>>
>>>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like the
>>>>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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The price of the Rotax and the Jabiru tend to be driven by the exchange rate
of the Euro and the Aus dollar, respectively.
The price of a Jabiru may be going up as Jabiru itself and the company that
actually makes the engine (www.camit.net) are located in Bundaberg,
Australia and probably under water from the massive flooding.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
Mike,
From what I've read it sounds like Jab knows what the solution is. The
problem is whether or not it can be implemented. My gut feeling is that
Zenith has the problem solved or they wouldn't be advertising it as a
designed to fit option.
People are talking about the O200. The one Zenith lists on their web
site it the NEW O200 Lightweight. New from Cont. for the lsa market.
Cont has a good rep but is seems like there's usually a few bugs in any
new product. Zenith doesn't have a FWF package yet but they say they
are developing one.
I'm not in a big hurry to make a decision myself. I'm hoping to decide
by Oshkosh and maybe be able to take advantage of a show special.
I'd be interested to hear what you think after your classes. I've heard
rumors that you have to take a class to work on your engine, even if
it's in an experimental.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
On 01/01/2011 12:29 AM, Michael Daniels wrote:
> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: Michael Daniels<buells2t@gmail.com>
>
> I'm in the same spot trying to decide which engine. I'm not far along in
my build so I have some time. I'm leaning toward the 3300 as well. Seems
like a good bang for the buck. I have read most of the issues owners have
had and have heard that the new cowl fixes most of the cooling issues. I
have a friend flying a 3300 in a Bush Caddy and he loves it.
>
> Hard to beat the reliability and reputation of an 0200, but 3300 weighs
less with more power too.
>
> The Rotax seems like a good option, but pricy to buy, pricy to maintain.
I'm taking 2 Rotax classes in late February maybe I will feel differently
after.
>
> Anyone on the list have a flying 750?
> What are you running?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2010, at 8:30 PM, rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> Craig,
>>
>> You bring up some interesting points. Unfortunately, renting a 150 isn't
and option. I'll keep doing my research.
>>
>> Does anybody know right off hand if Zenith usually has any show specials
at Air Venture? Same question for Rotax, Jab, and Cont.
>>
>> Raymond Julian
>> Kettle River, MN
>>
>> On 12/31/2010 02:36 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
Payne"<craig@craigandjean.com>
>>>
>>> I'm afraid you have to put resale value aside, regardless of your engine
>>> choice. Look through Branstormers and there are all kinds of
experimentals
>>> for sale at below what the builders have in them.
>>>
>>> Also (having owned but not flown Corvair, Jabiru and Rotax engines on
Zenith
>>> aircraft) you will have a hard time meeting your desire for a "tab A in
slot
>>> B" FWF. You can get close but if you read through the engine-specific
lists
>>> you see a lot of tinkering is required. Part of this is the "Internet
>>> effect" - only those with problems post messages. But none of these FWF
kits
>>> are a slam-dunk. On the Jabiru you get to fiddle with the cooling and
carb.
>>> In a slow flying plane like the 750 cooling is an issue. If you ask
William
>>> Wynne I don't think he ever achieved adequate cooling on the
Corvair-powerd
>>> 701.
>>>
>>> I'm putting a Rotax on my 701 but it might be underpowered for the 750.
Of
>>> course I live at 7000 ft and am surrounded by 10,000 ft peaks so I am
more
>>> sensitive to power needs.
>>>
>>> Also pay attention to weight and balance. Getting accurate data is hard
but
>>> with the wrong engine you can end up with a plane that is not very
useful.
>>> The best thing to do is get real W&B numbers from flying 750.
>>>
>>> If I was in your shoes and expected to fly below 5000 ft I would look
hard
>>> at the Rotax. There is a lot of plumbing to hook up. But it is light,
there
>>> are thousands flying and it will run cool at low speeds. I know of two
that
>>> have flown around the world (one with legs of 23+ hours).
>>>
>>> If you choose to build a non-LSA 750 (via the new gross limit) you will
have
>>> more choices. But I suspect that a non-LSA 750 would be harder to sell.
>>>
>>> If your future is uncertain then rent. You can get a lot of hours in a
>>> Cessna 150 for the price of a 750.
>>>
>>> -- Craig
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00 PM
>>> To: zenith750-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>>
>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>
>>> Craig,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>
>>> I emailed about it and they offer a cowl and engine mount for the O200,
>>> they have a full FWF for the 3300, and I'll have to do some more digging
>>> about the rotax.
>>>
>>> My 1st choice is Corvair, but I'm concerned about how the use of an auto
>>> conversion will affect the resale value, if it comes to that. My future
>>> is unpredictable, so if I am going to move forward facing that
>>> unpredictability I want to have selling as an option.
>>>
>>> Raymond Julian
>>> Kettle River, MN
>>>
>>> On 12/31/2010 01:43 PM, Craig Payne wrote:
>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: "Craig
>>> Payne"<craig@craigandjean.com>
>>>>
>>>> There are apparently a number of FWF packages from the factory that for
>>> some
>>>> reason are not listed on the web site (Rotax for one). Give them a
call.
>>>>
>>>> -- Craig
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-zenith750-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rayj
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:17 AM
>>>> To: zenith750-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Zenith750-List: Engine choice
>>>>
>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by: rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>>
>>>> I looked at the O200 lightweight that Zenith lists and the cost and the
>>>> fact that they don't have a FWF kit pushed me towards the 3300. I
>>>> looking for as much of a "tab A in slot B" assembly process as I can
find.
>>>>
>>>> Rereading my last post I should have said Rotax, Jab, and Cont because
>>>> those are the ones that seem to have been developed for the 750.
>>>> Raymond Julian
>>>> Kettle River, MN
>>>>
>>>> On 12/31/2010 12:23 PM, Dave wrote:
>>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by:
"Dave"<d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>>>>>
>>>>> Engine choice is very personal, and I encourage you to do what is best
>>>>> for your situation.... But if it were my choice I would use an O-200.
>>>>> Reliable, proven, available, sometimes cheap. their low-revving power
is
>>>>> ideal for a draggy slow aircraft.
>>>>>
>>>>>> --> Zenith750-List message posted by:
rayj<raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm considering the big 3 and leaning towards the 3300. Seems like
the
>>>>>> best cost/weight/power/ease of installation combination.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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