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Kellym
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
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Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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 Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
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It would appear that Bob Hoover got his aerobatic training via the military:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoover
Bob Hoover learned to fly at Nashville's Berry Field while working at a
local grocery store to pay for the flight training.[1] He enlisted in
the Tennessee National Guard and was sent for pilot training with the
Army.[2] He was sent to Casablanca where his first major assignment of
the war was test flying the assembled aircraft ready for service.
Terry Watson wrote:
| Quote: | I don't suppose it really matters now, but I am quite sure I read in his
autobiography that Bob Hoover taught himself aerobatics. That doesn't mean
that I could or should or would, but it does mean that some far better
pilots that the Ultimate Authority with the Limited Vocabulary (UALV) have
decided for themselves contrary to UALV'S edict.
Terry
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Terry Watson
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
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Kelly,
I think we are both right. Here are a couple of quotes out of Bob Hoover's
"Forever Flying":
"... I also read a remarkable book by an aviator named Bernie Ley, with whom
I became good friends many years later. The book introduced me to the world
of aerobatics. It detailed the aerodynamics involved and how each routine
was performed with precision timing. I studied the maneuvers until I knew
every one by heart."
That was when he was 15. A little later in the book, just after solo at age
16 in a Piper Cub, he says: "To lick the motion sickness, I pushed myself to
the limit by doing wingovers and stalls and spins. Every time I found I
could handle one maneuver, I went on to the next one until I conquered the
airsickness. Each time it got easier, and finally I could perform all the
routine without much discomfort. I didn't have aerobatic training, but I had
read about and memorized how to execute the maneuvers."
A bit of an aside here: I was in a tent at the Arlington (WA) air show one
year, buying this book from Bob Hoover while a Harmon Rocket pilot from
British Columbia was performing his routine. The announcer was filling all
the voids between the engine noise with his prattle, and I heard him say
that the plane was a modification of one of Richard VanGrunsven's designs,
and the Van himself was the smoothest pilot this announcer had ever seen. I
was watching Bob Hoover sign my book at that moment and remember thinking
that that was indeed a great compliment to Van in the presence of this man.
When I went through USAF pilot training in the mid-60's, some of my
classmates were already quite accomplished pilots. All of the German
Luftwaffe students were glider pilots and the one German Navy pilot in our
class already had his wings. One of the American students was an experienced
crop duster from Idaho and I think most of us had at least a private pilot
rating. But a highlight of the training for me was the aerobatics in first
the T-37 and then the T-38. From the testimony of one of his instructors in
this book, Bob Hoover was doing most of the teaching on his dual aerobatic
flights in Army Air Corps pilot training.
Here's something else from Bob Hoover's book that RV builders might enjoy:
.. but back then [1940] people taught themselves to fly. They could buy
what would be known now as kit planes, assemble them, learn to fly, and solo
in a month..... they just winged it and used trial and error until they
soloed and got their license."
Bob Hoover is the only military student pilot I have ever heard of who was
asked to perform an air show for his own graduating class.
OK, that's enough. It is an entertaining and inspiring book.
Terry
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Doug Gray
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 112
Location: Sydney, Australia
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:25 am Post subject: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
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I certainly hope not!
Take stock Jerry - don't drop off the 'list for the sake of some half
witted comments and language from someone so disrespectful as to post
without at least understanding the culture of the group.
There have been many who have come and gone in the time I have been
monitoring the rv-list (also around '97) mostly because they have not
appreciated the real value of what is on offer. Let them go their own
ways.
I have flirted with other discussion groups - many have been hijacked by
the low life fringe and died. I do hope the stalwarts will remain - I
intend to.
Best regards to all,
Doug Gray
Sydney, Australia
RV-6 wheel fairings....
On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 14:47 -0700, Jerry Springer wrote:
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Was going to post the email that Ralph thought fit to send to me in
private email but thought better of it so as not to offend
any woman or kids that might read this list.
A lot of my old list friends are gone because of people like Ralph and
RV6ator and their narrow minded opinions and filty worded text messages
and no
tolerance for people that think different than they do. Just to bad that
people like Ralph are such cowards that they well not say in public
what they feel must be said in private.
Have not been on this list as long as some but have been here longer
than most. Its not fun anymore and as the group
of RV builders get larger seem the mentality of builders.....well never
mind.
See ya all later.
Bye
Jerry Springer
first flight RV-6 July 14, 1989
Second customer built RV-6 to take to the skies
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mdredmond(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
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Please take no offense, boys, because I'm as up for a political argument/discussion as anyone, being the proud right-wing wackjob that I am... but...
I think Doug Reeves has the right idea when it comes to his board, and that is: can we please leave the political discussions somewhere else? Seriously, I might think you're a complete communist pinko idiot, but that doesn't mean I can't learn something RV-related from you - or vice-versa (unlikely) - and I'd hate to see otherwise friendly relationships crapped up because of this sh!t. ...or maybe I'm being a pollyanna (but at least I've got my AR-15(s)).
Matt
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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
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Matt Redmond wrote:
| Quote: | Please take no offense, boys, because I'm as up for a political
argument/discussion as anyone, being the proud right-wing wackjob that
I am... but...
I think Doug Reeves has the right idea when it comes to his board, and
that is: can we please leave the political discussions somewhere
else? Seriously, I might think you're a complete communist pinko
idiot, but that doesn't mean I can't learn something RV-related from
you - or vice-versa (unlikely) - and I'd hate to see otherwise
friendly relationships crapped up because of this sh!t. ...or maybe
I'm being a pollyanna (but at least I've got my AR-15(s)).
Matt
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Having cyber-lived in both worlds (Matt's & Doug's), I strongly prefer
Matt's.
Doug's VAF limits discussions to RV's *only* when the non-RV (read that
'political') posts disagree with the so-called moderators' opinions.
That forum is highly censored, and with very obvious political bias.
I've personally pointed out the biased censorship in direct emails to
Doug on numerous occasions. The 1st time, he responded & said that if
there were non-RV comments being allowed, he was unaware of them & would
personally correct them, and to please report any in the future.
Repeated followup emails to Doug reporting new occurrences have
resulted in zero responses. The biased censorship continues. You can
often see a biased post that leans one way (allowed) followed by a
contrary response. Within hours (or minutes), the contrary post
disappears. The original will remain. Only Doug and his censors know how
many posts bearing contrary opinions never even make it to the public
forum. If we were talking about government, it would be downright
Orwellian.
In my not so humble opinion, suppression of alternate political
viewpoints is a very ugly thing, & contrary to the spirit at the heart
of this country's greatness.
I'd like to believe that we can not only learn about RV's from someone
with a different political viewpoint, but that we can learn about
alternative political views, as well.
Charlie
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dmaib@me.com
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: Loop problem --- the rest of the story. |
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I agree with Charlie's comments. One time I made a very mild comment
on a political diatribe that was raging on Doug's site. I was
immediately slapped hard, and publicly, on the forum by one of the
moderators who had been engaging in the political argument himself.
He had taken my comment to disagree with his position. (not quite
sure how he determined that either!) Since I enjoy and participate in
both forums, I learned the lesson that keeping out of the political
jousting matches that pop up on both forums, is right for me. Matt's
suggestion that we take the political debate to some other site is a
good one. There are plenty of them out there!
David Maib
40559
Flying
On Sep 6, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Charlie England wrote:
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<ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>
Matt Redmond wrote:
> Please take no offense, boys, because I'm as up for a political
> argument/discussion as anyone, being the proud right-wing wackjob
> that I am... but...
> I think Doug Reeves has the right idea when it comes to his
> board, and that is: can we please leave the political discussions
> somewhere else? Seriously, I might think you're a complete
> communist pinko idiot, but that doesn't mean I can't learn
> something RV-related from you - or vice-versa (unlikely) - and I'd
> hate to see otherwise friendly relationships crapped up because of
> this sh!t. ...or maybe I'm being a pollyanna (but at least I've
> got my AR-15(s)).
> Matt
Having cyber-lived in both worlds (Matt's & Doug's), I strongly
prefer Matt's.
Doug's VAF limits discussions to RV's *only* when the non-RV (read
that 'political') posts disagree with the so-called moderators'
opinions. That forum is highly censored, and with very obvious
political bias. I've personally pointed out the biased censorship
in direct emails to Doug on numerous occasions. The 1st time, he
responded & said that if there were non-RV comments being allowed,
he was unaware of them & would personally correct them, and to
please report any in the future. Repeated followup emails to Doug
reporting new occurrences have resulted in zero responses. The
biased censorship continues. You can often see a biased post that
leans one way (allowed) followed by a contrary response. Within
hours (or minutes), the contrary post disappears. The original will
remain. Only Doug and his censors know how many posts bearing
contrary opinions never even make it to the public forum. If we
were talking about government, it would be downright Orwellian.
In my not so humble opinion, suppression of alternate political
viewpoints is a very ugly thing, & contrary to the spirit at the
heart of this country's greatness.
I'd like to believe that we can not only learn about RV's from
someone with a different political viewpoint, but that we can learn
about alternative political views, as well.
Charlie
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