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aerosport1

Joined: 07 Nov 2007
Posts: 231

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:59 pm Post subject: Door locks

I have seen some door locks with the stock door handles that are about 2 inches in front of the outside door handle. Can anyone post some pictures

on how these were done with the stock door hardware on the inside of the door. 



Thanks Geoff

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RV-10 QB N829GW
Flying 500 hrs
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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:43 am Post subject: Door locks

Geoff,



  Is this what you are looking for?



http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project 2&category=0&log=65696&row 

http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=msausen&project 2&category=0&log=84813&row=10



Michael



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David Shelton

Joined: 26 Aug 2009
Posts: 22
Location: C77

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Door locks

Geoff,



I just sold my RV-10 so I can't take a picture. In the locked position, the locking arm swung downwards in front of the lower gear rack. In theory... this would provide a stop and prevent the lower gear rack from moving forwards.



In practice, it only took a little force on the door handle to strip the lock and open the door. My neighbor accidentally stripped his lock also... it was mostly decorative.



This type of lock should probably be mounted at the bottom of the door and the arm should swing through a slot to engage the door frame. This would subject the lock to shear loading, rather than rotation. -David

rebrunk42(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: Door locks

I agree too bad vans can't furnish a decent lock for such an expensive  

kit. My lock does not work it probably got stripped too



Sent from my iPhone



Robert E. Brunkenhoefer

Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.

520 Lawrence St.

Corpus Christi, Texas 78401

Phone: 361-888-8808

Facsimile: 361-888-6753

robert(at)brunklaw.com



On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:08 PM, "David Shelton" <SBaircraft(at)yahoo.com>  

wrote:



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 <SBaircraft(at)yahoo.com>



 Geoff,



 I just sold my RV-10 so I can't take a picture. In the locked  

 position, the locking arm swung downwards in front of the lower gear  

 rack. In theory... this would provide a stop and prevent the lower  

 gear rack from moving forwards.



 In practice, it only took a little force on the door handle to strip  

 the lock and open the door. My neighbor accidentally stripped his  

 lock also... it was mostly decorative.



 This type of lock should probably be mounted at the bottom of the  

 door and the arm should swing through a slot to engage the door  

 frame. This would subject the lock to shear loading, rather than  

 rotation. -David





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 62089#262089

dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:24 pm Post subject: Door locks

All locks are installed to make the thief go to check the next item of

interest. I would rather the thief had an easy entry and did not damage the

airframe while trying to get the avionics, etc. If you are concerned about

the airframe I suggest lojack and possibly an audible alarm. Or perhaps

airframe damage is preferred so that the thief will be reluctant to fly away

the aircraft 



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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: Door locks

All locks are designed to convince the thief to try another asset. If the

lock is too robust, the airframe may be damaged by a thief gaining entry. I

would prefer that the thief took whatever component or content and did not

damage the airframe. Most individual items are replaceable by insurance off

the shelf, redoing the doors or window would not be a fun task but would be

required if the airframe is damaged. On the other hand if your concern is

the airframe then perhaps airframe damage is preferable since the thief

would be unlikely to fly it away if damaged on entry. If the aircraft is of

concern, perhaps LoJack and an audible alarm would also work.  



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rebrunk42(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject: Door locks

The lock does not lock at all , so itdoes not even suit the purpose  

for your senario



Sent from my iPhone



Robert E. Brunkenhoefer

Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.

520 Lawrence St.

Corpus Christi, Texas 78401

Phone: 361-888-8808

Facsimile: 361-888-6753

robert(at)brunklaw.com



On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:22 PM, "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net> wrote:



[quote] 



 All locks are installed to make the thief go to check the next item of

 interest. I would rather the thief had an easy entry and did not  

 damage the

 airframe while trying to get the avionics, etc. If you are concerned  

 about

 the airframe I suggest lojack and possibly an audible alarm. Or  

 perhaps

 airframe damage is preferred so that the thief will be reluctant to  

 fly away

 the aircraft



 --

rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject: Door locks

for $4.86 one can get a simple lock from Lowes or HD and build a relatively 

solid locking system (William Curtis has a picture on his site). No 

different than the baggage door. I built mine so the handle can not be moved 

at all, there is a .063 plate between the door and the lock pop riveted on, 

sure with some serious pulling the lock might eventually give but it would 

take some work and a ruined door, most thieves give it a quick pull, see it 

doesn't bulge and move on to the next possible victim.



Pascal

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From: "Robert Brunkenhoefer" <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>

Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:45 PM

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Door locks



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>



 I agree too bad vans can't furnish a decent lock for such an expensive 

 kit. My lock does not work it probably got stripped too



 Sent from my iPhone



 Robert E. Brunkenhoefer

 Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.

 520 Lawrence St.

 Corpus Christi, Texas 78401

 Phone: 361-888-8808

 Facsimile: 361-888-6753

 robert(at)brunklaw.com



 On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:08 PM, "David Shelton" <SBaircraft(at)yahoo.com>  wrote:



> 

>

> Geoff,

>

> I just sold my RV-10 so I can't take a picture. In the locked  position, 

> the locking arm swung downwards in front of the lower gear  rack. In 

> theory... this would provide a stop and prevent the lower  gear rack from 

> moving forwards.

>

> In practice, it only took a little force on the door handle to strip  the 

> lock and open the door. My neighbor accidentally stripped his  lock 

> also... it was mostly decorative.

>

> This type of lock should probably be mounted at the bottom of the  door 

> and the arm should swing through a slot to engage the door  frame. This 

> would subject the lock to shear loading, rather than  rotation. -David

>

>

> Read this topic online here:

>

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 62089#262089

>

>

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rebrunk42(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:45 pm Post subject: Door locks

I criticized how blue mountain treated it's customers about the  

product they sold me.  Each time, a beta tester for blue mountain  

would go on line and respond in a way to imply it would work fine if I  

knew what I was doing . Not a good business model.  We all know what  

happened to them. If you supply a product it should work under normal  

circumstances. There should be no need to rationalize that it's  

failure is somehow a good design idea . Let's work on the premise the  

a working lock is ok to expect . It needs no rationale.



Sent from my iPhone



Robert E. Brunkenhoefer

Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.

520 Lawrence St.

Corpus Christi, Texas 78401

Phone: 361-888-8808

Facsimile: 361-888-6753

robert(at)brunklaw.com



On Sep 8, 2009, at 6:22 PM, "David McNeill" <dlm46007(at)cox.net> wrote:



[quote] 



 All locks are installed to make the thief go to check the next item of

 interest. I would rather the thief had an easy entry and did not  

 damage the

 airframe while trying to get the avionics, etc. If you are concerned  

 about

 the airframe I suggest lojack and possibly an audible alarm. Or  

 perhaps

 airframe damage is preferred so that the thief will be reluctant to  

 fly away

 the aircraft



 --

dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: door locks

Aother possibility  is a sign in the window. "Theft or damage to this aircraft is a federal crime  punishable by 5 years and $250,000 fine  etc........................................". this is the way they post at my  airport. Of course in this environment it might make the aircraft more of a  target...

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rebrunk42(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: Door locks

Can you share the details with the group?



Sent from my iPhone



Robert E. Brunkenhoefer

Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.

520 Lawrence St.

Corpus Christi, Texas 78401

Phone: 361-888-8808

Facsimile: 361-888-6753

robert(at)brunklaw.com



On Sep 8, 2009, at 7:11 PM, "Pascal" <rv10builder(at)verizon.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   for $4.86 one can get a simple lock from Lowes or HD and build a  

 relatively solid locking system (William Curtis has a picture on his  

 site). No different than the baggage door. I built mine so the  

 handle can not be moved at all, there is a .063 plate between the  

 door and the lock pop riveted on, sure with some serious pulling the  

 lock might eventually give but it would take some work and a ruined  

 door, most thieves give it a quick pull, see it doesn't bulge and  

 move on to the next possible victim.



 Pascal

 --------------------------------------------------

 From: "Robert Brunkenhoefer" <rebrunk42(at)gmail.com>

 Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 3:45 PM

 To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: Re: Re: Door locks



> 

> >

>

> I agree too bad vans can't furnish a decent lock for such an  

> expensive kit. My lock does not work it probably got stripped too

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> Robert E. Brunkenhoefer

> Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.

> 520 Lawrence St.

> Corpus Christi, Texas 78401

> Phone: 361-888-8808

> Facsimile: 361-888-6753

> robert(at)brunklaw.com

>

> On Sep 8, 2009, at 1:08 PM, "David Shelton" <SBaircraft(at)yahoo.com>   

> wrote:

>

>> 

>> >

>>

>> Geoff,

>>

>> I just sold my RV-10 so I can't take a picture. In the locked   

>> position, the locking arm swung downwards in front of the lower  

>> gear  rack. In theory... this would provide a stop and prevent the  

>> lower  gear rack from moving forwards.

>>

>> In practice, it only took a little force on the door handle to  

>> strip  the lock and open the door. My neighbor accidentally  

>> stripped his  lock also... it was mostly decorative.

>>

>> This type of lock should probably be mounted at the bottom of the   

>> door and the arm should swing through a slot to engage the door   

>> frame. This would subject the lock to shear loading, rather than   

>> rotation. -David

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Read this topic online here:

>>

>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 62089#262089

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:14 pm Post subject: Door locks

IIRC locks were not supplied or specified in the kit. It is roll your own

time. I concur with the Blue mountain mess though. I am not justifying Vans

simply stating that Vans omits that part of the kit.



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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: Door locks

This will give a few builders ideas about where a lock can be placed. This is a piece of hardwood. I intend to place a lock similar to the one that locks the baggage door. It will ingage the front inside part of the cabin top. I placed it in the front edge of the door for two reason: to manually close the latch while flying so that if the door were to pop open(it won't afer I improved my pins and achore points) it would prevent the air from grabbing the door. Two C easy to see for both the pilot C co pilot while in the air and the thief while on the ground.



Note the extra carbon cloth and the Kevlar backing  which I used on both sides of the door. The foam in the second picture is to make the door more rigid in that area.

John



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 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: Door locks

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AirMike

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Posts: 514
Location: Nevada

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:56 am Post subject: Door locks

I put in the cheap - flimsy Van's lock. You only need it on one door - use a wedge or other restraint on the Passenger side door. The alarm is probably just as good of an idea. A decal indicating alarm protection might be as good as a lock. The lock is to send the thief to the plane parked next to yours. It is really a visual to keep the thief from climbing up on the wing and damaging your flap.



Alway keep in mind the Van's philosophy of light and INEXPENSIVE..

 Remember that you own a light and fast  RV10 not a spam can that is essentially a pig with lipstick.

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See you OSH '18
Q/B - sold.

gengrumpy(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 4:44 am Post subject: Door locks

I used a simple trailer lock on both doors.  Locking arm swings down  

into a cutout in the top of the lower door frame.



Similar to the baggage door key, but I changed that one out and put a  

combo lock on it so I don't have to mess with a key every time I want  

to get into the baggage compartment.



Grumpy

N184JM



do not archive



On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:08 PM, David McNeill wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 IIRC locks were not supplied or specified in the kit. It is roll  

 your own

 time. I concur with the Blue mountain mess though. I am not  

 justifying Vans

 simply stating that Vans omits that part of the kit.

rene(at)felker.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:43 am Post subject: Door locks

That combo lock sounds like a great idea. Is it a drop in replacement?

Where can I get one....



Rene' Felker

RV-10 N423CF Flying

801-721-6080

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gengrumpy(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 6:26 am Post subject: Door locks

Get at any hardware store.



I mounted it about center bottom of each door.  Mount low enough so  

that the arm can go down into the lower frame.



Handle is free to move as normal, but door won't open with the latch  

of the door into the frame.



grumpy

N184JM



do not archive

On Sep 9, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Rene Felker wrote:



[quote] 



 That combo lock sounds like a great idea. Is it a drop in replacement?

 Where can I get one....



 Rene' Felker

 RV-10 N423CF Flying

 801-721-6080

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bob.kaufmann(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:17 am Post subject: Door locks

Show us a photo



Bob K



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partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:17 am Post subject: door locks

Is it more of a target because if they get caught, not likely, they would then get 5 years of free room and board.... and get to visit all their buddies?>?>?>?  

 We use a simple lock on the pilot door, and a strap which holds the copilot latch from being moved.  Don



--- On Tue, 9/8/09, David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net> wrote:



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From: David McNeill <dlm46007(at)cox.net>

Subject: door locks

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 5:47 PM



  Aother possibility is a sign in the window. "Theft or damage to this aircraft is a federal crime punishable by 5 years and $250,000 fine etc.......................................". this is the way they post at my airport. Of course in this environment it might make the aircraft more of a target...

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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:25 am Post subject: Door locks

Hi Bob!  I was corresponding with rick ..... Louise and I'll be in LAS 

at 6 PM tomorrow, staying through Wed.  I was hoping to get some air 

time in Ricks but he's down for the moment.  I wanna get a look at your 

project too, if you have time.

Linn

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