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teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:10 am Post subject: oil filter torque

I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I like.  Average torque is 75 inch lbs.  (lbs-inches to be exact)  The lowest was 68, the highest was 80.  This is using engine oil.



   

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haveblue1(at)mac.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject: oil filter torque

Gary,



Interesting. Describe "the way I like."  I always learn something from your engine posts.

Bruce



On Jul 18, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:

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		  I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I like.  Average torque is 75 inch lbs.  (lbs-inches to be exact)  The lowest was 68, the highest was 80.  This is using engine oil.

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flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:13 pm Post subject: oil filter torque

Why so loose?  The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft.



On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote:

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		   I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I like.

 Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest was

 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil.



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teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:25 pm Post subject: oil filter torque

Hi Bruce, 

I thought I went through this already. 

Just in case . . . . .   I hand tighten and then use vise grips and give the filter a little snug.  Nothing scientific..  What I have done over the past several months is to use an inch-lb torque wrench and, starting at 50 in-lbs I increase the torque until the filter moves. 

I've never had a filter leak. Several year ago, I installed the safety wire With about 1/2 turn of slack to see if the filter ever moved. Never did. 



Gary

Sent from my iPad



On Jul 18, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Bruce Smith <haveblue1(at)mac.com (haveblue1(at)mac.com)> wrote:



[quote]Gary,



Interesting. Describe "the way I like."  I always learn something from your engine posts.

Bruce



On Jul 18, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Gary Vogt wrote:

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teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: oil filter torque

Why over-tighten?  That only makes removal more difficult.  

Gary

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com> wrote:

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 Why so loose?  The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft.

 On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote:

> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I like.

> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest was

> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil.

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flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:32 am Post subject: oil filter torque

Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening.  I don't 

have a problem removing filters that are torqued this way.  The problems 

I've had is when an owner installs a filter without a torque wrench and 

tightens it much higher.  You probably recall that the filter torque 

used to be 18 lb.-ft.  I assume that Champion thought that was to tight, 

and I would agree, and so it was lowered.

Cliff

On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Why over-tighten?  That only makes removal more difficult.

 Gary

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b<flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>  wrote:

> 

>

> Why so loose?  The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft.

>

> On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote:

>> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I like.

>> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest was

>> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil.

>>

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>

teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:47 am Post subject: oil filter torque

I understand completely.  I'm not advocating that everyone follow my lead.  I've just run into oil filters that were nearly impossible to remove.  I'm sure 10 lbs-feet  (160 lbs-inches) would be well more than enough.

From: flyv35b <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>

To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 6:29:36 AM

Subject: Re: oil filter torque

 --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: flyv35b <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com (flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com)>

Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening.  I don't 

have a problem removing filters that are torqued this way.  The problems 

I've had is when an owner installs a filter without a torque wrench and 

tightens it much higher.  You probably recall that the filter torque 

used to be 18 lb.-ft.  I assume that Champion thought that was to tight, 

and I would agree, and so it was lowered.

Cliff

On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:

[quote] -->  TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gary L Vogt<teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)>

 Why over-tighten?  That only makes removal more difficult.

 Gary

  Sent from my iPad

 On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b<flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com (flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com)>  wrote:

> -->  TeamGrumman-List message posted by: flyv35b<flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com (flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com)>

>

> Why so loose?  The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft.

>

> On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote:

>> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I like.

>> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest was

>> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil.

>>

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mel(at)becknet.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:23 am Post subject: oil filter torque

The single best thing you can do to ease oil filter removal is to 

apply Dow-Corning DC4 lubricant to the rubber seal, rather than engine 

oil. You can buy a lifetime supply from A/C Spruce for a few bucks. 

Engine oil eventually gets sticky when compressed, which increases 

removal torque requirements. DC4's inert silica suspension is designed 

to maintain lubrication properties for a much longer time, over a much 

wider temperature range.



I've had no problems removing filters lubed with DC4, even when 

torqued to 18 ft-lbs.



  -mel



On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT)

  Gary Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I understand completely.  I'm not advocating that everyone follow my 

lead.  I've 

 just run into oil filters that were nearly impossible to remove. 

 I'm sure 10 

 lbs-feet  (160 lbs-inches) would be well more than enough.

 

 

 

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From: flyv35b <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>

 To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 6:29:36 AM

 Subject: Re: oil filter torque

 

 

<flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>

 

 Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening.  I 

don't 

 have a problem removing filters that are torqued this way.  The 

problems 

 I've had is when an owner installs a filter without a torque wrench 

and 

 tightens it much higher.  You probably recall that the filter torque 

 used to be 18 lb.-ft.  I assume that Champion thought that was to 

tight, 

 and I would agree, and so it was lowered.

 

 Cliff

 

 On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:

> 

>Vogt<teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com>

>

> Why over-tighten?  That only makes removal more difficult.

>

> Gary

> Sent from my iPad

>

> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b<flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>  wrote:

>

>> 

>>flyv35b<flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>

>>

>> Why so loose?  The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft.

>>

>> On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote:

>>> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I 

>>>like.

>>> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest 

>>>was

>>> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil.

>>>

>>> *

>>>

>>>

>>> *

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:18 pm Post subject: oil filter torque

I have used DC-4 for years too and maybe that is why I have no trouble 

removing them.  A tube of it will last forever it seems.



Cliff



On 7/20/2011 11:20 AM, Mel Beckman wrote:

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 The single best thing you can do to ease oil filter removal is to apply

 Dow-Corning DC4 lubricant to the rubber seal, rather than engine oil.

 You can buy a lifetime supply from A/C Spruce for a few bucks. Engine

 oil eventually gets sticky when compressed, which increases removal

 torque requirements. DC4's inert silica suspension is designed to

 maintain lubrication properties for a much longer time, over a much

 wider temperature range.



 I've had no problems removing filters lubed with DC4, even when torqued

 to 18 ft-lbs.



 -mel



 On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT)

 Gary Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

> I understand completely. I'm not advocating that everyone follow my

> lead. I've just run into oil filters that were nearly impossible to

> remove. I'm sure 10 lbs-feet (160 lbs-inches) would be well more than

> enough.

>

> ________________________________

> From: flyv35b <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com>

> To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

> Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 6:29:36 AM

> Subject: Re: oil filter torque

>

> 

>

> Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening. I don't

> have a problem removing filters that are torqued this way. The

> problems I've had is when an owner installs a filter without a torque

> wrench and tightens it much higher. You probably recall that the

> filter torque used to be 18 lb.-ft. I assume that Champion thought

> that was to tight, and I would agree, and so it was lowered.

>

> Cliff

>

> On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:

>> 

>> Vogt<teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com>

>>

>> Why over-tighten? That only makes removal more difficult.

>>

>> Gary

>> Sent from my iPad

>>

>> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b<flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com> wrote:

>>

>>> 

>>>

>>> Why so loose? The torque spec is 16 lb.-ft.

>>>

>>> On 7/18/2011 9:51 AM, Gary Vogt wrote:

>>>> I've checked the torque AFTER i've installed the filter the way I

>>>> like.

>>>> Average torque is 75 inch lbs. (lbs-inches to be exact) The lowest was

>>>> 68, the highest was 80. This is using engine oil.

>>>>

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>>>> *

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>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

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teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: oil filter torque

Well, you're probably right.  Maybe if I'd gotten into the habit of using DC4 50 years ago when I first started changing oil, I'd be using it today.  I confess I find using engine oil and torquing to 75 inch-lbs easier

From: Mel Beckman <mel(at)becknet.com>

To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Wed, July 20, 2011 11:20:34 AM

Subject: Re: oil filter torque

 --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: "Mel Beckman" <mel(at)becknet.com (mel(at)becknet.com)>

The single best thing you can do to ease oil filter removal is to apply Dow-Corning DC4 lubricant to the rubber seal, rather than engine oil. You can buy a lifetime supply from A/C Spruce for a few bucks. Engine oil eventually gets sticky when compressed, which increases removal torque requirements. DC4's inert silica suspension is designed to maintain lubrication properties for a much longer time, over a much wider temperature range.

I've had no problems removing filters lubed with DC4, even when torqued to 18 ft-lbs.

 -mel

On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT)

 Gary Vogt <teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

[quote] I understand completely.  I'm not advocating that everyone follow my  lead.  I've just run into oil filters that were nearly impossible to remove. I'm sure 10 lbs-feet  (160 lbs-inches) would be well more than enough.

 ________________________________

 From: flyv35b <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com (flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com)>

 To: teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com (teamgrumman-list(at)matronics.com)

 Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 6:29:36 AM

 Subject: Re: oil filter torque

 --> TeamGrumman-List message posted by: flyv35b <flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com (flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com)>

 Sounds like you are saying that 16 lb.-ft. is over tightening.  I don't have a problem removing filters that are torqued this way.  The problems I've  had is when an owner installs a filter without a torque wrench and tightens it much higher.  You probably recall that the filter torque used to be 18 lb.-ft.  I assume that Champion thought that was to tight, and I would agree, and so it was lowered.

 Cliff

 On 7/18/2011 10:25 PM, Gary L Vogt wrote:

> -->  TeamGrumman-List message posted by: Gary L Vogt<teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com (teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com)>

> 

> Why over-tighten?  That only makes removal more difficult.

> 

> Gary

> Sent from my iPad

> 

> On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:10 PM, flyv35b<flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com (flyv35b(at)minetfiber.com)>  wrote:

> 

>> -->  TeamGrumman-List message posted by: flyv35b<

david(at)newlangsyne.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:30 am Post subject: oil filter torque

# I understand completely.  I'm not advocating that everyone follow

# my lead.  I've just run into oil filters that were nearly

# impossible to remove.  I'm sure 10 lbs-feet  (160 lbs-inches)

# would be well more than enough.



You have long feet.

teamgrumman(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:18 am Post subject: oil filter torque

{smile} About 2 hours after I wrote that, I started thinking about what I wrote.  I meant 120 inches . . . .    But, you get my drift.

From: David Feinstein <david(at)newlangsyne.com>

To: Team Grumman <TeamGrumman-List(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Thu, July 21, 2011 3:23:26 AM

Subject: Re: oil filter torque

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