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woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 349
Location: AZ

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 8:53 am Post subject: Square footage for painting

Anybody calc out a square footage or similar area dimension for painting materials/cost purposes?



Thanks in advance.

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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014

rv10flyer(at)live.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:33 am Post subject: Square footage for painting

from Tims site



I used about 3 gallons of white, but I could have used a whole lot more 

paint than I did.  My goal was to paint the plane enough to hold me over for 

a few years than get it redone, so 4-5 gallons may be more appropriate.



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rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:48 am Post subject: Square footage for painting

No, but I can tell you how much Sherwin Williams Jetglo and Acryglo I used. 



Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 18, 2013, at 12:53 PM, "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:






Anybody calc out a square footage or similar area dimension for painting materials/cost purposes?



Thanks in advance.



--------

Myron Nelson

Mesa, AZ

Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear.  Finishing kit and FWF kit in progress.





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396489#396489

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Bob Leffler
N410BL - Phase I
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler

carl.froehlich(at)verizon
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:32 pm Post subject: Square footage for painting

For high end products (PPG multicolor base/clear coat), $4000 in material is a good guess - a little less if you know what you are doing.  The hangar paint booth was 12'X26'x8' tall, 2x4 frame with plastic covering (wings and tail not on the plane for paint).



I live near a PPG store so I bought paint as needed, but always made sure I had enough for whatever section I was doing.



Bottom line - if you can find someone to paint your plane for under $12K, jump at it.  The RV-10 is a bear to paint.  I did the RV-8A with the same base/clear coat products but the shear size of the RV-10 made for many hours of sanding and rework for me - a typical amateur painter.



Carl



On Mar 18, 2013, at 12:53 PM, "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:



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 Anybody calc out a square footage or similar area dimension for painting materials/cost purposes?

 

 Thanks in advance.

 

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 Myron Nelson 

 Mesa, AZ

 Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear.  Finishing kit and FWF kit in progress.

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396489#396489

rv10flyer(at)live.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:02 pm Post subject: Square footage for painting

Granted I'm no pro, but if someone is on a budget, I painted my whole plane 

for under $1.5K, that included my paint gun and materials (sand paper). I do 

not have a professional looking plane by ANY means, but it does the job of 

protecting it. Because I painted in my garage, in California I was limited 

to only a waterbased paint. I used Stewarts system with good enough success- 

http://www.stewartsystems.aero/default.aspx. A good painter, like Don 

McDonald made my recoated wing looks very nice, so a good painter can get a 

nice job done with this paint. Spray painting is actually a lot of fun!

I did it myself and would do it again. Worse case, a professional will take 

your job and repaint with less paint and make it look really good. An 

example, a local plane had a terrible paint job and after 1 week at a good 

shop it came back looking great, cost $4000K since all the prep involved was 

sanding for 2 coats of paint.

If I can paint the plane in a garage , with no prior experience in spray 

painting, anyone can do it.



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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:16 pm Post subject: Square footage for painting

The paint adherence is only as good as the surface preparation.  The hardest part of painting is the surface preparation.  Once that is done, painting is fairly quick.  



I painted my RV-4 and was very happy with it.  Apparently Van's is too, because here it is!  

http://vansaircraft.com/public/rv4.htm

But for my RV-10, I wasn't going to touch it..... especially after all that fiberglass work...  I knew how big of a job the -4 was and the -10 is even bigger....



But, if painting your own plane is on your bucket list, this might be your only opportunity!! 



-Mike KrausRV-4 sold 

RV-10 flying 

KitFox SS7 Radial building 

On Mar 18, 2013, at 6:01 PM, "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)> wrote:

[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "Pascal" <rv10flyer(at)live.com (rv10flyer(at)live.com)>



Granted I'm no pro, but if someone is on a budget, I painted my whole plane for under $1.5K, that included my paint gun and materials (sand paper). I do not have a professional looking plane by ANY means, but it does the job of protecting it. Because I painted in my garage, in California I was limited to only a waterbased paint. I used Stewarts system with good enough success- http://www.stewartsystems.aero/default.aspx. A good painter, like Don McDonald made my recoated wing looks very nice, so a good painter can get a nice job done with this paint. Spray painting is actually a lot of fun!

I did it myself and would do it again. Worse case, a professional will take your job and repaint with less paint and make it look really good. An example, a local plane had a terrible paint job and after 1 week at a good shop it came back looking great, cost $4000K since all the prep involved was sanding for 2 coats of paint.

If I can paint the plane in a garage , with no prior experience in spray painting, anyone can do it.



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rleffler

Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 680

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:36 pm Post subject: Square footage for painting

I'll add to my previous email......

I spent about $3,700 on paint from a Sherwin Williams distributor. 

$300 on materials like tape, paper, mek, plastic, etc.

The painter spent 99 hours and my wife and I probably put in another 30 hours or so each assisting with the masking and tape.  Most the time was consumed by masking for the four colors

And the compound curves of the trim lines.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 18, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 For high end products (PPG multicolor base/clear coat), $4000 in material is a good guess - a little less if you know what you are doing.  The hangar paint booth was 12'X26'x8' tall, 2x4 frame with plastic covering (wings and tail not on the plane for paint).

 I live near a PPG store so I bought paint as needed, but always made sure I had enough for whatever section I was doing.

 Bottom line - if you can find someone to paint your plane for under $12K, jump at it.  The RV-10 is a bear to paint.  I did the RV-8A with the same base/clear coat products but the shear size of the RV-10 made for many hours of sanding and rework for me - a typical amateur painter.

 Carl

 On Mar 18, 2013, at 12:53 PM, "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> Anybody calc out a square footage or similar area dimension for painting materials/cost purposes?

> 

> Thanks in advance.

> 

> --------

> Myron Nelson 

> Mesa, AZ

> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear.  Finishing kit and FWF kit in progress.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Read this topic online here:

> 

> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396489#396489

_________________
Bob Leffler
N410BL - Phase I
http://mykitlog.com/rleffler

woxofswa

Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 349
Location: AZ

Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Square footage for painting

Thanks for the input.  What I was actually doing was querying a couple of auto shops near the airport to paint the pieces for me to final assemble.  They were asking for approximate square footage since RV10 meant nothing to them, but a couple of them have done aircraft projects before.



In the end, I decided against the auto shop idea.  I still might self paint for the challenge, but for the time it would take me I can easily pick up extra trips at work and be money and time ahead.

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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Flew May 10 2014

dmasys

Joined: 10 Dec 2011
Posts: 22

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:44 am Post subject: Square footage for painting

I used a high end auto shop to do the painting on my RV-12, which is much

more amenable to auto shop work with its removable wings, and all of the

components will fit in a car-sized paint booth.  The shop owner was a Rans

builder and he had his employees do his airplane first.  The result on my

-12 looked great at first but I discovered later they did not alodine

aluminum as agreed upon since they weren't familiar with alodine and didn't

think it necessary, some alclad areas were not sufficiently scuffed to get

good adhesion and the paint started lifting off some components like the

canopy skirts after about a year (again because they weren't accustomed to

vehicles built with metals having a coat of pure aluminum).  And in trying

to make a thick automotive wet look on all those pop rivets they generally

put too much paint on the plane, and had rivet-associated runs.  The cost

was over $10K.  But it was very cool to be able to send the wings over

locally to get painted while I was still working on the fuselage, etc.



If I had it to do again I would use the same pro aircraft shop that painted

my RV-10, which was AOG painting in Mena, Arkansas (http://www.aogpaint.com/

).  They did a great job with JetGlo on a complex curvy RV-10 design (see

http://faculty.washington.edu/dmasys/N104LDinflight.jpg ) at an amazingly

low price.  



So I learned there are some 'cultural' issues when having auto paint shops

work on airplanes, even very good shops such as this one was/is.  Caveat

emptor...



-Dan Masys

RV-10 N104LD

RV-12 N122LD



 	  Quote: 	
		  Time: 06:00:51 PM PST US

Subject: Re: Square footage for painting

From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>


	




 	  Quote: 	
		  Thanks for the input.  What I was actually doing was querying a couple of

auto
	


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		  shops near the airport to paint the pieces for me to final assemble.  They

were
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  asking for approximate square footage since RV10 meant nothing to them, but

a couple of them have done aircraft projects before.


	


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		  In the end, I decided against the auto shop idea.  I still might self paint

for
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  the challenge, but for the time it would take me I can easily pick up extra

trips
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  at work and be money and time ahead.


	


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		  --------

Myron Nelson

Mesa, AZ

Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear.  Finishing

kit and
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  FWF kit in progress.

schmoboy

Joined: 26 Feb 2006
Posts: 130

Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:19 am Post subject: Square footage for painting

Just looking into this also as I'm 90% done and 90% to go. 



One thing I was curious about is does the builder normally do the 

control surface removal and re-assembly at the paint shop?  I think I 

would want to just to have piece of mind that it was put back together 

per plans.



-Sean #40303 (fwf)

On 3/19/13 9:42 AM, Dan Masys wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I used a high end auto shop to do the painting on my RV-12, which is much

 more amenable to auto shop work with its removable wings, and all of the

 components will fit in a car-sized paint booth.  The shop owner was a Rans

 builder and he had his employees do his airplane first.  The result on my

 -12 looked great at first but I discovered later they did not alodine

 aluminum as agreed upon since they weren't familiar with alodine and didn't

 think it necessary, some alclad areas were not sufficiently scuffed to get

 good adhesion and the paint started lifting off some components like the

 canopy skirts after about a year (again because they weren't accustomed to

 vehicles built with metals having a coat of pure aluminum).  And in trying

 to make a thick automotive wet look on all those pop rivets they generally

 put too much paint on the plane, and had rivet-associated runs.  The cost

 was over $10K.  But it was very cool to be able to send the wings over

 locally to get painted while I was still working on the fuselage, etc.



 If I had it to do again I would use the same pro aircraft shop that painted

 my RV-10, which was AOG painting in Mena, Arkansas (http://www.aogpaint.com/

 ).  They did a great job with JetGlo on a complex curvy RV-10 design (see

 http://faculty.washington.edu/dmasys/N104LDinflight.jpg ) at an amazingly

 low price.



 So I learned there are some 'cultural' issues when having auto paint shops

 work on airplanes, even very good shops such as this one was/is.  Caveat

 emptor...



 -Dan Masys

 RV-10 N104LD

 RV-12 N122LD



> Time: 06:00:51 PM PST US

> Subject: Re: Square footage for painting

> From: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com>



> Thanks for the input.  What I was actually doing was querying a couple of

 auto

> shops near the airport to paint the pieces for me to final assemble.  They

 were

> asking for approximate square footage since RV10 meant nothing to them, but

> a couple of them have done aircraft projects before.

> In the end, I decided against the auto shop idea.  I still might self paint

 for

> the challenge, but for the time it would take me I can easily pick up extra

 trips

> at work and be money and time ahead.

> --------

> Myron Nelson

> Mesa, AZ

> Emp completed, QB wings completed, legacy build fuse on gear.  Finishing

 kit and

> FWF kit in progress.

dmasys

Joined: 10 Dec 2011
Posts: 22

Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:57 am Post subject: Square footage for painting

I think you can negotiate what you want regarding reassembly with most paint

shops.  My RV-7A was painted at Gillespie field in San Diego, and the

painter just left a hangar full of painted assemblies (rudder, elevators,

flaps, ailerons, canopy) sitting there for me to put back on the plane.

Which I remember doing on a day when the temperature was 102 degrees.  



The shop in Arkansas used a local A&P for disassembly and reassembly and

included that in the price, saying it was part of their normal workflow with

certificated aircraft and they didn't really want to change the process to

have a builder working on his plane in their shop areas.  Which was fine

with me since it seemed like a pretty toxic environment - no dust or

pverspray but lots of fumes that everybody was breathing in.  But I sure

checked everything when I picked the plane up, for which I flew the RV-7A

with a CFI friend from Nashville over to Arkansas.  This gave the

opportunity for one of the coolest pictures of the -10 fresh out of the

paint shop, with its little brother:

http://faculty.washington.edu/dmasys/RV7-RV10-Mena.jpg



Funny story about that RV-10 paint job was that I took the plane in sometime

in November of 2007 and they told me there would be a ten day delay in

starting the project, since deer hunting season started the day after I

delivered the plane, and the entire shop staff would be out in the woods. 



-Dan



 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Square footage for painting



Just looking into this also as I'm 90% done and 90% to go. 



One thing I was curious about is does the builder normally do the control

surface removal and re-assembly 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  at the paint shop?  I think I would want to just to have piece of mind that

it was put back together per 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  plans.



-Sean #40303 (fwf)

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