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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: pneumatic cancer

Smirnoff.  It's clear.  

Dennis

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ldakos(at)bigpond.net.au
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:04 am Post subject: pneumatic cancer

Jon



I had the same problem as you and noticed a small puff of air on my hand as 

I turned air on when I had a look inside valve  it was not the best so I 

have just replaced my master air valve and it has fixed the problem, the old 

valve was working fine and went bad overnight.



Lou

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: pneumatic cancer

moonshine or Tequila is clear also! Shine definately will clean that linseed oil out of the system or clogg it up. Just depends on site and date of manufacture.

But seriouisly if you want to mix 50:50 gylcerine to ETOH, you can get 90% ethyl alcohol for most pharamacies (Rite Aid has it over the counter).

Don't drink the ethyl alcohol please! You'll go blind!

Sic

Doc



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rvfltd(at)televar.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: pneumatic cancer

lou dakos wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Jon



 I had the same problem as you and noticed a small puff of air on my 

 hand as I turned air on when I had a look inside valve  it was not the 

 best so I have just replaced my master air valve and it has fixed the 

 problem, the old valve was working fine and went bad overnight.



 Lou



Jon and Lou,
	


The main and emergency air cock/valve is a typical needle and seat type 

valve.  The "seat" is nothing more than a hole in the alu body.  The 

"needle" however is the problem here as it is made of std steel, and not 

stainless steel.  Last year I had the same shop who make the stainless 

steel dessicant filter bodies for me make up a bunch of these needles in 

stainless steel.  This greatly extends the life of these valves.    Send 

me your valve and I will R&R the needle and pressure check to 1000 psi, 

I can return it to you with next day turn around.



Always Yakin,

Doug



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:54 pm Post subject: pneumatic cancer

Based on Brian's commments, I just might be willing to try that.  I can

get a Freon detector easily.  If something like that really works, it

might be worth knowing.  



Mark Bitterlich 

 



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject: pneumatic cancer

Actually Doc, my advice would be to mix some of that gylcerine with high

grade fuming nitric acid.   That combo will take care of any aircraft

issue you might have.  Call it the "ultimate Solution".  Heck, just get

a big ole pan and pour the stuff into it willy nilly.  Make sure you're

smoking while you're doing it.  



Mgb

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: pneumatic cancer

Hey, 

Know how they normally find the meth labs here in LA (lower Al)? They are

smoking will "cooking" acetone and some nitric acid with phenylephrine (and

a few other not so healthy chemicals). Generally they present to the ER with

60-90% 2nd to 3rd degree burns along with smelling like hell!

Bang...the house trailer goes up and all the neighbors wonder what that

smell was!

Doc



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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: pneumatic cancer

On Oct 16, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,  

MALS-14 64E wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>



 Actually Doc, my advice would be to mix some of that gylcerine with  

 high

 grade fuming nitric acid.


	


There is an intermediate step you forgot. The devil is always in the  

details.



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Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



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jonboede(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: pneumatic cancer

You know, it's sad that distributing information on that missing step is now 

"terrorism".  Sigh.

 	  Quote: 	
		  From: Brian Lloyd <brian-1927(at)lloyd.com>

Reply-To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: pneumatic cancer

Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:54:42 -0700




On Oct 16, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,  

MALS-14 64E wrote:



>

>MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>

>

>Actually Doc, my advice would be to mix some of that gylcerine with  high

>grade fuming nitric acid.



There is an intermediate step you forgot. The devil is always in the  

details.



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Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0  CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:07 am Post subject: pneumatic cancer

Copy...but add an open flame and there goes the single wide along with half

of the rest of the trailor trash in the park!

Doc



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craig(at)ustek.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: pneumatic cancer

>".............the rest of the trailor trash in the park"



  

 Now why did you have to get Brittany Spears involved?

  

 

  From: Roger  Kemp

Sent: Wed 10/17/2007 9:05 AM

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: pneumatic cancer

 [quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger  Kemp" <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com>  Copy...but add an open flame and there goes the single wide along with half of the rest of the trailor trash in the park! Doc  --

l39parts(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: pneumatic cancer

Ethanol is a component of scotch, bourbon, vodka, and gasahol.  It is available in high concentration in many states from liquor stores where it is sold as Everclear or grain alcohol.  Ethanol does not cause blindness when consumed in any reasonable quantity.  

  

 Industrial ethanol is labeled as poisonous either because it has been de-natured (poisoned) to make it undrinkable and thus avoid the excise tax on drinkable ethanol, or it is labeled poisionous because in today's world pretty much everything is labeled poisionous despite the fact that people have been making ethanol from grapes, corn, barley, and even rice (Budwiser) for thousands of years.

  

 Blindness does result from drinking methanol, AKA wood alcohol.  Methanol may be available at the drug store, but it is incompatable with some types of rubber (which is why it isn't used in gasoline) and it's probably a bad idea to put it in your pneumatic system before determining if it is compatible.  

  

 The devil is definitely in the details.



  

 

[quote] Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:32:24 -0500

 From: viperdoc(at)mindspring.com

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Yak-List: pneumatic cancer

 

 --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com>

 

 moonshine or Tequila is clear also! Shine definately will clean that linseed oil out of the system or clogg it up. Just depends on site and date of manufacture.

 But seriouisly if you want to mix 50:50 gylcerine to ETOH, you can get 90% ethyl alcohol for most pharamacies (Rite Aid has it over the counter).

 Don't drink the ethyl alcohol please! You'll go blind!

 Sic

 Doc

 

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: pneumatic cancer

Ron,  

You obviously missed the joke!  

Sic  

Doc  

       

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis

 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:20 PM

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: pneumatic cancer  

  

  

   

 

 Ethanol is a component of scotch, bourbon, vodka, and gasahol.  It is available in high concentration in many states from liquor stores where it is sold as Everclear or grain alcohol.  Ethanol does not cause blindness when consumed in any reasonable quantity.  

  

 Industrial ethanol is labeled as poisonous either because it has been de-natured (poisoned) to make it undrinkable and thus avoid the excise tax on drinkable ethanol, or it is labeled poisionous because in today's world pretty much everything is labeled poisionous despite the fact that people have been making ethanol from grapes, corn, barley, and even rice (Budwiser) for thousands of years.

  

 Blindness does result from drinking methanol, AKA wood alcohol.  Methanol may be available at the drug store, but it is incompatable with some types of rubber (which is why it isn't used in gasoline) and it's probably a bad idea to put it in your pneumatic system before determining if it is compatible.  

  

 The devil is definitely in the details.

 

  

 

 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:32:24 -0500

 > From: viperdoc(at)mindspring.com

 > To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 > Subject: Re: pneumatic cancer

 > 

 > --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com>

 > 

 > moonshine or Tequila is clear also! Shine definately will clean that linseed oil out of the system or clogg it up. Just depends on site and date of manufacture.

 > But seriouisly if you want to mix 50:50 gylcerine to ETOH, you can get 90% ethyl alcohol for most pharamacies (Rite Aid has it over the counter).

 > Don't drink the ethyl alcohol please! You'll go blind!

 > Sic

 > Doc

 > 

 > --

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: pneumatic cancer

Ron,  

You are correct on the ethanol (ethyl alcohol). But do not drink the 90%  isopropyl alcohol that is OTC at the drug store as a rubbing alcohol. It does contain contaminates that are not to healthy (isopropyl alcohol). It causes headache, dizziness, confusion, and excitation. All pretty much similar symptoms of Ethyl alcohol ingestion( Budweiser, Tequila, wood grain alcohol ect). It just gets uglier with the more you consume causing obtundation, coma, respiratory depression, hypothermia, , hypotension, mylopathy, and hemolytic anemia. Concentrations greater that 66 mmol/L are fatal. It does not cause blindness unlike methyl alcohol. Methanol above 60 mmol/L will cause obtundation, convulsions, coma and  increased osmolal gap. The blindness is a late manifestation from the increased anion gap, metabolic acidosis, with the retinal injury being due to the acidosis causing a secondary accumulation of formic acid, lactic acid and ketones in the vitreous humor of the posterior chamber of the eye permanently destroying the retina. Those are late manifestations occurring 15 to 20 hours or later after ingestion.  

So what else do you want to know about the 3 most common alcohols that man has intentionally and accidentally poisoned him/herself with?  

And yes you are absolutely incorrect Isopropyl alcohol (not methyl alcohol) is found in after-shave lotions, antifreeze, window cleaner, solvents, and rubbing alcohol. Its’ metabolite is acetone.  

Methanol is found in shellacs, varnishes, paint removers, Sterno, windshield-washer solutions and copy machine fluids to name a few. It is also a denaturant used to make ethanol unfit for consumption. And it really will make you go blind!  

So the devil really is in the details.  

Doc  

   

       

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis

 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:20 PM

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: pneumatic cancer  

  

  

   

 

 Ethanol is a component of scotch, bourbon, vodka, and gasahol.  It is available in high concentration in many states from liquor stores where it is sold as Everclear or grain alcohol.  Ethanol does not cause blindness when consumed in any reasonable quantity.  

  

 Industrial ethanol is labeled as poisonous either because it has been de-natured (poisoned) to make it undrinkable and thus avoid the excise tax on drinkable ethanol, or it is labeled poisionous because in today's world pretty much everything is labeled poisionous despite the fact that people have been making ethanol from grapes, corn, barley, and even rice (Budwiser) for thousands of years.

  

 Blindness does result from drinking methanol, AKA wood alcohol.  Methanol may be available at the drug store, but it is incompatable with some types of rubber (which is why it isn't used in gasoline) and it's probably a bad idea to put it in your pneumatic system before determining if it is compatible.  

  

 The devil is definitely in the details.

 

  

 

 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:32:24 -0500

 > From: viperdoc(at)mindspring.com

 > To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 > Subject: Re: pneumatic cancer

 > 

 > --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com>

 > 

 > moonshine or Tequila is clear also! Shine definately will clean that linseed oil out of the system or clogg it up. Just depends on site and date of manufacture.

 > But seriouisly if you want to mix 50:50 gylcerine to ETOH, you can get 90% ethyl alcohol for most pharamacies (Rite Aid has it over the counter).

 > Don't drink the ethyl alcohol please! You'll go blind!

 > Sic

 > Doc

 > 

 > --

dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: pneumatic cancer

"....used to make ethanol unfit for consumption.  And it really will make you go blind!"

  

 Someone once told me a LONG time ago about something else that  would make you go blind too if you indulged in it too frequently!   :-----)))))))

 Dennis

  

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: pneumatic cancer

YEAH and put hair on your palms too!  

Doc  

       

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese

 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:10 PM

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: pneumatic cancer  

  

  

     

"....used to make ethanol unfit for consumption. And it really will make you go blind!"  

    

   

    

Someone once told me a LONG time ago about something else that would make you go blind too if you indulged in it too frequently!  :-----)))))))  

    

Dennis  

    

   

  [quote]    

----- Original Message -----   

    

From: Roger Kemp (viperdoc(at)mindspring.com)   

    

To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)   

    

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:01 PM  

    

Subject: RE: Yak-List: pneumatic cancer  

    

   

  

Ron,  

You are correct on the ethanol (ethyl alcohol). But do not drink the 90%  isopropyl alcohol that is OTC at the drug store as a rubbing alcohol. It does contain contaminates that are not to healthy (isopropyl alcohol). It causes headache, dizziness, confusion, and excitation. All pretty much similar symptoms of Ethyl alcohol ingestion( Budweiser, Tequila, wood grain alcohol ect). It just gets uglier with the more you consume causing obtundation, coma, respiratory depression, hypothermia, , hypotension, mylopathy, and hemolytic anemia. Concentrations greater that 66 mmol/L are fatal. It does not cause blindness unlike methyl alcohol. Methanol above 60 mmol/L will cause obtundation, convulsions, coma and  increased osmolal gap. The blindness is a late manifestation from the increased anion gap, metabolic acidosis, with the retinal injury being due to the acidosis causing a secondary accumulation of formic acid, lactic acid and ketones in the vitreous humor of the posterior chamber of the eye permanently destroying the retina. Those are late manifestations occurring 15 to 20 hours or later after ingestion.  

So what else do you want to know about the 3 most common alcohols that man has intentionally and accidentally poisoned him/herself with?  

And yes you are absolutely incorrect Isopropyl alcohol (not methyl alcohol) is found in after-shave lotions, antifreeze, window cleaner, solvents, and rubbing alcohol. Its’ metabolite is acetone.  

Methanol is found in shellacs, varnishes, paint removers, Sterno, windshield-washer solutions and copy machine fluids to name a few. It is also a denaturant used to make ethanol unfit for consumption. And it really will make you go blind!  

So the devil really is in the details.  

Doc  

   

       

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Davis

 Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:20 PM

 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: pneumatic cancer  

  

  

   



 Ethanol is a component of scotch, bourbon, vodka, and gasahol.  It is available in high concentration in many states from liquor stores where it is sold as Everclear or grain alcohol.  Ethanol does not cause blindness when consumed in any reasonable quantity.  

  

 Industrial ethanol is labeled as poisonous either because it has been de-natured (poisoned) to make it undrinkable and thus avoid the excise tax on drinkable ethanol, or it is labeled poisionous because in today's world pretty much everything is labeled poisionous despite the fact that people have been making ethanol from grapes, corn, barley, and even rice (Budwiser) for thousands of years.

  

 Blindness does result from drinking methanol, AKA wood alcohol.  Methanol may be available at the drug store, but it is incompatable with some types of rubber (which is why it isn't used in gasoline) and it's probably a bad idea to put it in your pneumatic system before determining if it is compatible.  

  

 The devil is definitely in the details.

 

  

 

 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:32:24 -0500

 > From: viperdoc(at)mindspring.com

 > To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 > Subject: Re: pneumatic cancer

 > 

 > --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com>

 > 

 > moonshine or Tequila is clear also! Shine definately will clean that linseed oil out of the system or clogg it up. Just depends on site and date of manufacture.

 > But seriouisly if you want to mix 50:50 gylcerine to ETOH, you can get 90% ethyl alcohol for most pharamacies (Rite Aid has it over the counter).

 > Don't drink the ethyl alcohol please! You'll go blind!

 > Sic

 > Doc

 > 

 > --

mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: pneumatic cancer

You know Brian.... I actually knew that.  However, just to prove the point, here ya go dude.  



 Prepare a mixture of 200 mL of 98-100% nitric acid and 300 mL of 98-100% sulfuric acid by slowly adding one to the other in a 1000-mL beaker. Place the beaker into a salt-ice bath during the mixing so it may cool, allow the temperature to drop below 10 °C after mixing. You can keep the cold acid in the salt-ice bath or you can transfer the acid mix into a round-bottomed 1000-mL Florence flask for better heat dispersion. In either case, prepare a fresh salt-ice bath. Because of the possibility of friction, standard stirring methods are not advised. Instead, use an aquarium pump to blow air into the acids as a means to cool and stir them. Regulate the air flow so the acid is being well stirred yet not spattering out. Using a buret suspended above the flask, very slowly add drop by drop 112 mL of glycerol that has been previously cooled to 15 °C. Carefully monitor the temperature of the reaction at all times, the temperature must stay below 20 °C, preferably below 15 °C for extra safety. If at any time the temperature goes near this, stop adding glycerin until it cools. You can use the rate of addition to control the temperature. If the temperature ever rises above 20 °C it is ruined as no more nitro will be made and you are in great danger of the existing nitro detonating. If the temperature goes above 30 °C, there is a sudden rise in temperature, or a red gas is noticed, DUMP IT INTO COLD WATER IMMEDIATELY!. Keep a bucket of ice water on hand for this task. After adding all of the glycerin, allow the temperature to drop to 15 °C and sit for 15 minutes. Carefully pour the reaction mix into a large beaker containing an equal volume of room temperature water. Add this mix to a separatory funnel and allow the nitroglycerin to settle out, it will form a layer on the bottom of the funnel. Drain off the nitro layer and keep the acid waste layer for further extraction. Place the nitro back into a clean separatory funnel and add plenty of 38-45 °C water, mix, then separate. Wash the nitro again, then wash with a !

 warm 4% 

sodium carbonate solution. Wash with warm water three more times. Give it a final wash of concentrated sodium chloride solution, and let it sit one day before separating the layers. Separate and check the nitro for acidity with litmus paper. If it is still acidic keep washing. It must be neutral or it will explode. Dry the neutral nitro over sulfuric acid in a desiccator, this may take several days. You will need a graduated cylinder for measuring liquids, and a thermometer to monitor the temperature. 



     To extract any nitro that may still be in the waste acid, first neutralize the acid with sodium carbonate solution. Next add an equal volume of chloroform to the neutral waste acid. Mix well then place it into the separatory funnel. Remove the bottom nitro layer and let it stand in the open for one day so the chloroform may evaporate. Add this nitro to the washing process above. 



     One unit of glycerol will yield about 2.5 of nitro. Exposure to nitroglycerine will cause severe headaches. Keep it cool, the warmer it is the more sensitive it is to detonation. Frozen nitro can not be detonated therefore it is stable BUT partially frozen nitro is extra sensitive! Although nitroglycerin is very dangerous when confined, it is merely flammable when spread out in the open air. Nitroglycerin can be destroyed by boiling in a solution of potassium or sodium hydroxide and ethyl alcohol. 



So Brian, my friend... Is that in enough detail?  



Your BUD, Mark.  

 



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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: pneumatic cancer

On Oct 17, 2007, at 6:48 AM, Jon Boede wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 You know, it's sad that distributing information on that missing  

 step is now "terrorism".  Sigh.


	


It is also sad that a girl wearing a circuit board with flashing LEDs  

on her jacket and carrying some play-doh is arrested at Boston Logan  

for having a simulated bomb. What is even sadder is that most of the  

people writing in about it think that the department of homeland  

stupidity (DHS) was right-on for arresting her.



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Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0  CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:40 pm Post subject: pneumatic cancer

Oh, it gets worse Brian.  Read the last paragraph and you'll see that even carrying a stereo in a backpack can land you in jail these days.  You all look out for those Zombie Party Terrorists now... Ya hear? 



 

'Zombie Party' Participants Arrested In Mpls.

(AP) Minneapolis Six friends spruced up in fake blood and tattered clothing were arrested in downtown Minneapolis on suspicion of toting "simulated weapons of mass destruction."



Police said the group were allegedly carrying bags with wires sticking out, making it look like a bomb, while meandering and dancing to music as part of a "zombie dance party" Saturday night.



"They were arrested for behavior that was suspicious and disturbing," said Lt. Gregory Reinhardt, a police spokesman. Police also said the group was uncooperative and intimidated people with their "ghoulish" makeup.



One group member said the "weapons" were actually backpacks modified to carry a homemade stereos and the suspects were jailed without reason.



AND WAIT WAIT..... YOU JUST GOT TO HEAR HOW THE POLICE EXPLAINED THEIR REACTION!  



"Given the circumstance of them being uncooperative ... why would you have those (bags) if not to intimidate people?" said Inspector Janee Harteau. "It's not a case of (police) overreacting"

NAH, THEY JUST DIDN'T LIKE THAT GOOD OLE ROCK AND ROLL I GUESS...... 



Mark Bitterlich  





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