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brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,  

MALS-14 64E wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>



 Thanks for the interesting reply Brian.



 Just for kicks someday, you might try experimenting with shunt  

 loading the whole aircraft itself.  This is often done on the  

 tactical aircraft I am associated with and works extremely well.


	


Huh. Neat idea. Yeah, that could be made to work. Feed the ends of the  

wings as a balanced antenna. The wings would become a form of folded  

dipole. I may just try that with the CJ while I have it all apart. It  

would be easy to set that up.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Trailing wire systems on an aircraft with fabric control surfaces  

 makes me grimace, but you obviously have more experience with it  

 than anyone else around these days.


	


The trick I used was to run a tube out through the tailcone and then  

line it with polyethylene tubing. The trailing wire went out inside  

that. It formed a coax with the wire being the center conductor. My  

Collins KWM-2 liked it so I didn't need a tuner. I just cranked it in  

and out to make it resonate on the frequency I was using. The nice  

thing is that the wire was completely behind the aircraft so there was  

no way it could get hooked on any of the control surfaces. My landing  

checklist still has "trailing wire -- in" on it. I tend to get "WTF"  

from copilots when they read the checklist to me. 



--

Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0  CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

cliff(at)gesoco.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

You know....you can just take a SAT phone.....

Brian Lloyd wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 On Jan 16, 2008, at 6:20 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, 

 MALS-14 64E wrote:

> 

> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>

>

> Thanks for the interesting reply Brian.

>

> Just for kicks someday, you might try experimenting with shunt 

> loading the whole aircraft itself.  This is often done on the 

> tactical aircraft I am associated with and works extremely well.

 Huh. Neat idea. Yeah, that could be made to work. Feed the ends of the 

 wings as a balanced antenna. The wings would become a form of folded 

 dipole. I may just try that with the CJ while I have it all apart. It 

 would be easy to set that up.

> Trailing wire systems on an aircraft with fabric control surfaces 

> makes me grimace, but you obviously have more experience with it than 

> anyone else around these days.

 The trick I used was to run a tube out through the tailcone and then 

 line it with polyethylene tubing. The trailing wire went out inside 

 that. It formed a coax with the wire being the center conductor. My 

 Collins KWM-2 liked it so I didn't need a tuner. I just cranked it in 

 and out to make it resonate on the frequency I was using. The nice 

 thing is that the wire was completely behind the aircraft so there was 

 no way it could get hooked on any of the control surfaces. My landing 

 checklist still has "trailing wire -- in" on it. I tend to get "WTF" 

 from copilots when they read the checklist to me. 

 -- 

 Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

 brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

 +1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)

 I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

 — Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

 PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

 PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0  CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

-- 

Clifford Coy

Director of Maintenance

Border Air Ltd

629 Airport Rd.

Swanton, VT 05488

802-868-2822 TEL

802-868-4465 FAX

Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy <callto:cliff.coy>

RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

On the subject of importing foreign aircraft...with  these military trainer types, do you have a lot of red tape to go through to  import them? I did a little research once on importing an F-86 into the states,  and it was way more red tape than I was willing to be involved in...Sounds like  it's not so bad with the YAKS? Still best to go through a broker I guess and let  them do what they do! 

 Boyce



Start the year off right.  Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. 

  [quote][b]

brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

On Jan 17, 2008, at 6:30 AM, Cliff Coy wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 You know....you can just take a SAT phone.....


	


Naw, that would be too easy. 



--

Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0  CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

cliff(at)gesoco.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

I'd have to say the difference is mostly engine type and armament 

packages. 



The FAA has a little more heartburn over the capabilities of an F-86 

than a Yak-52.



The Yak 52's were never really used as combat aircraft- the straight 

52's don't have provisions to hang anything on the wings (not so for the 

52TW tho').



Cheers,

Cliff



RAMPEYBOY(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		       On the subject of importing foreign aircraft...with these military 

 trainer types, do you have a lot of red tape to go through to import 

 them? I did a little research once on importing an F-86 into the 

 states, and it was way more red tape than I was willing to be involved 

 in...Sounds like it's not so bad with the YAKS? Still best to go 

 through a broker I guess and let them do what they do!

 Boyce



 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape 

 <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> 

 in the new year.

 *

 *


	


-- 

Clifford Coy

Director of Maintenance

Border Air Ltd

629 Airport Rd.

Swanton, VT 05488

802-868-2822 TEL

802-868-4465 FAX

Skype: callto:Cliff.Coy <callto:cliff.coy>

mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

Interesting idea, at least from a civil aircraft standpoint.  Will the FAA buy that for over water beyond VHF range flights?  



In the EA-6B it is not quite that simple.  We have embedded gold flake in the aircraft canopies that was designed to keep RF out.  Givent the ERP of the jammers, that is not really a bad idea.  Regardless, it is pretty darn effective once you get up past UHF.  Sure... Just install some coax and an external antenna.  



And the readers of this list would simply be AMAZED at what it would take to actually do that.  



Mark

 



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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

I wonder how many people besides myself know what a KWM-2 is, and the load that SOB must have put on the battery when transmitting!  6146 finals no less.  



Not exactly a dash mounted rig was it?  Where in the name of blazes would you mount that in a 52?  



Lastly.... Collins gear is still my very favorite.  I still own an S line myself that I restored decades ago.  A 32S3C (yep, a "C" model that was actually made by ROCKWELL/Collins (!!!) and a 75S3C receiver... With station console.  If it does not glow in the dark, what good is it?   



Mark Bitterlich

 



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cjpilot710(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

In a message dated 1/17/2008 5:10:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil writes:

  

 Just returned from ground school/recurrent training on the  B17/B25/B24.  The B-24 is getting major work done on her fuel tanks.   While waiting for that, one of our volunteer pilots, is refurbishing and  restoring the original radios in the radio compartment.  This includes the  Morris code key, throat mikes, etc.  Plus by May he will attempted to have  a working Norton bomb sight.  I've been told that if you hold a neon tube  next to the antennae while transmitting, it will light the tube, with out a  power cord.

  

 Also as PIC I will be required to get a Ham radio license because of the  frequencies IF I need to use the radios!!!

  

 Not only that they're getting the belly turret fully functional (yes minus  guns) and the top turret can now be moved manually.  The old  plastic glass turret was not perfectly round and would bind.   While up there one day doing the refueling, I slipped while stepping over the  turret and broke it when I fell on it.  The new one ($5,500) is  perfect.  Who said I couldn't be an agent of  change?                   

  

 Newest pilot comfort?  Fuel gages, new glass over head and a new  electric standby horizon.

  

 Pappy.   -..  --- --- .-.. ... -.-. Y  (I think)

  

  

   

 [quote]-->    Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14    64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>



I wonder how many people besides    myself know what a KWM-2 is, and the load that SOB must have put on the    battery when transmitting!  6146 finals no less.  



Not    exactly a dash mounted rig was it?  Where in the name of blazes would you    mount that in a 52?  



Lastly.... Collins gear is still my very    favorite.  I still own an S line myself that I restored decades    ago.  A 32S3C (yep, a "C" model that was actually made by    ROCKWELL/Collins (!!!) and a 75S3C receiver... With station console.  If    it does not glow in the dark, what good is it?   



Mark    Bitterlich

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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

You're lucky Pappy, code is no longer required for an amateur ticket.

You spelled "d o o l s c"  Not too bad.  



I think you were trying to spell your last name:  --.   ---   ---   .-..

..   -...   -.--  



My first HF radio was a WW-II ARC-2B. AND I STILL HAVE IT (although

sadly my ex-wire poured salt all over it and pretty much ruined it).   I

am not sure what bomber carried it, but it was definitely a bomber HF

rig.  If memory serves, about 2-7 Mhz.  Did AM, CW, and MCW.  MCW is no

longer legal on the HF ham bands, but AM and CW sure are.  I think you

could create quite a stir getting on the ham bands in a B-24, especially

while flying, but even on the deck would be special!    Hey, I did...

When I called CQ from an EA-6B flying over IRAQ in Desert Storm, it

caused quite a pile-up.  Of course 10 meters was wide open, and the

sunspot cycle was at it's peak.  Rog on the neon tubes.  We used to

actually hang them from wire antenna during Vietnam.  Caused quite a

light show at night!  Also a good indicator of power out.  Surprised

that the radio in the 24 would do that... My best recollection is that

the finals in those radios were 24 volt 811's, ... 1622's?  Man, I can

not remember, but basically a pair of 811's with a 24 volt filiment.

Typically about 25 watts carrier on HF (100 watts PEP).  That's all you

really need.  



Anyway, consider yourself lucky.... Back in the day (sheesh I am getting

up there with Pappy), you had to copy one minutes worth of 5 letter code

groups without making an error.  They sent for 5 minutes, and you had to

get one full minute of that copy with NO ERRORS!  By the time I went for

my extra class (20 words per minute), they had changed it to just

multiple choice questions, and it was actual text instead of code

groups... Much easier.  Now... No code at all.  I still think that was a

big mistake.  The more you work for something, the more you value

that.... Somehow that message got lost in today's world. 



Good Luck Pappy, let us know what callsign you get!  



Mark Bitterlich 

WA3JPY  



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MarkWDavis

Joined: 03 Jan 2007
Posts: 104
Location: Syracuse, KS

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

I'm not sure about the effectiveness of the gold canopies on the Prowlers. 

When I was in the RAG, the story was that an instructor had taken a home 

microwave radiation detector up when the pods were radiating and it pegged 

the meter.  Whenever I had ECMO's that insisted on "burning out" the pods 

because it was good for them I explained that since we weren't at war it 

wasn't really necessary.  I didn't mind if we were actually using them.  If 

the Master Rad light didn't go out soon, I slowed down below 220 KIAS so the 

RATs kick at least one transmitter off line.  If I was light enough I'd take 

it down under 192 KIAS so both kicked off line. Pissed 'em off.   But my 

nuts didn't glow in the dark!



---

dave(at)davelaird.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

Mark and Brian,



I'm starting to think that you two need to spend some quality time  

together  - off list... in person - like maybe dinner, drinks and a  

movie.



'Cuz your big-brain-mutual-admiration-society-of-two is starting to  

sound more and more like a budding romance to me these days...  



Uh, not that there is anything wrong with that... in some states...

I jest because i love,



Dave Laird

N63536  1983 CJ6A  "Betty"

Dallas  (ADS)

On Jan 17, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,  

MALS-14 64E wrote:



[quote] 

 Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>



 I wonder how many people besides myself know what a KWM-2 is, and  

 the load that SOB must have put on the battery when transmitting!   

 6146 finals no less.



 Not exactly a dash mounted rig was it?  Where in the name of blazes  

 would you mount that in a 52?



 Lastly.... Collins gear is still my very favorite.  I still own an  

 S line myself that I restored decades ago.  A 32S3C (yep, a "C"  

 model that was actually made by ROCKWELL/Collins (!!!) and a 75S3C  

 receiver... With station console.  If it does not glow in the dark,  

 what good is it?  



 Mark Bitterlich

 --

brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

On Jan 17, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,  

MALS-14 64E wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>



 Interesting idea, at least from a civil aircraft standpoint.  Will  

 the FAA buy that for over water beyond VHF range flights?


	


Turns out it doesn't matter what the FAA says. It only matters to the  

country of departure and then, most don't even pay attention. The  

Canadians did insist that I drop by for an inspection of the airplane  

and me. The modified KWM2 (I changed the crystals and then retuned it  

for the aviation HF bands) and trailing wire was deemed satisfactory  

even tho' it didn't even remotely qualify as FCC-approved. (The FCC  

has jurisdiction over radios, not the FAA.) They only cared if it  

would work to communicate. In fact, the inspector said, "wow, I  

haven't seen one of those in an aircraft for a long time. They work  

great, don't they," as he handed me the paper that told the boys in  

Gander to let me take off eastbound. No one in any other country even  

looked.



 	  Quote: 	
		   In the EA-6B it is not quite that simple.  We have embedded gold  

 flake in the aircraft canopies that was designed to keep RF out.   

 Givent the ERP of the jammers, that is not really a bad idea.   

 Regardless, it is pretty darn effective once you get up past UHF.   

 Sure... Just install some coax and an external antenna.



 And the readers of this list would simply be AMAZED at what it would  

 take to actually do that.


	


Radio is fun. Almost as much fun as airplanes and computers.



Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brianl AT lloyd DOT com             Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0  CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:06 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point,  

MALS-14 64E wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil>



 I wonder how many people besides myself know what a KWM-2 is, and  

 the load that SOB must have put on the battery when transmitting!


	


30A on voice peaks. I had the supply for the KWM2 wired directly to  

the battery with its own contactor. I could still run the HF off the  

battery in order to make a mayday call even if the rest of the  

electrical system failed. Oh, and I had a backup battery for the rest  

of the avionics. It was sized to run my LORAN and one comm radio for  

the rest of the flight in case I lost my alternator. I figured I could  

make position reports through the airliners.



 	  Quote: 	
		   6146 finals no less.


	


Everything had 6146 finals and a 12BY7 driver.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Not exactly a dash mounted rig was it?  Where in the name of blazes  

 would you mount that in a 52?


	


Well, in the Comanche it was mounted right on top of the ferry tank.  

There was just enough room for it between the tank and the ceiling.  

The life raft was right next to it.



And I would not use a KWM2 (I stupidly sold it years ago) in the -52.  

I would use my Icom IC-706mkII with my SGC-231 tuner. I have hacked  

the Icom for general coverage transmit so I can use it in the  

airplane. It will even transmit AM on the VHF aircraft band so I can  

use it as a backup comm too.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Lastly.... Collins gear is still my very favorite.  I still own an S  

 line myself that I restored decades ago.  A 32S3C (yep, a "C" model  

 that was actually made by ROCKWELL/Collins (!!!) and a 75S3C  

 receiver... With station console.  If it does not glow in the dark,  

 what good is it?  


	


I have always wanted a 32S3B/C and a 75S3C. I just haven't been able  

to bring myself to pay the freight they bring these days. I had the  

KWM2 and a 75S1/32S1 combo once. I am sorry I sold them too.



OTOH, there are some new designs that work very well. I have been  

playing around with software-defined radios. Pretty cool stuff.



Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brianl AT lloyd DOT com             Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0  CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

f4ffm2(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

On Jan 17, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-1927(at)lloyd.com (brian-1927(at)lloyd.com)>





On Jan 17, 2008, at 1:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil (mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil)>

Interesting idea, at least from a civil aircraft standpoint.  Will the FAA buy that for over water beyond VHF range flights?

 	




Turns out it doesn't matter what the FAA says. It only matters to the country of departure and then, most don't even pay attention. The Canadians did insist that I drop by for an inspection of the airplane and me. The modified KWM2 (I changed the crystals and then retuned it for the aviation HF bands) and trailing wire was deemed satisfactory even tho' it didn't even remotely qualify as FCC-approved. (The FCC has jurisdiction over radios, not the FAA.) They only cared if it would work to communicate. In fact, the inspector said, "wow, I haven't seen one of those in an aircraft for a long time. They work great, don't they," as he handed me the paper that told the boys in Gander to let me take off eastbound. No one in any other country even looked.

  	  Quote: 	
		  In the EA-6B it is not quite that simple.  We have embedded gold flake in the aircraft canopies that was designed to keep RF out.  Givent the ERP of the jammers, that is not really a bad idea.  Regardless, it is pretty darn effective once you get up past UHF.  Sure... Just install some coax and an external antenna.

And the readers of this list would simply be AMAZED at what it would take to actually do that.

 	




Radio is fun. Almost as much fun as airplanes and computers

	
____________________________________________________________________________________

 	  Quote: 	
		  But it bores the crap out of a lot of us!

	
Best regards anyway,



Roger_______________________________________________________________________________

[quote]Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brianl AT lloyd DOT com             Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)

PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:39 PM, cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   In a message dated 1/17/2008 5:10:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark.bitterlich(at)navy.mil 

  writes:



 Just returned from ground school/recurrent training on the B17/B25/ 

 B24.  The B-24 is getting major work done on her fuel tanks.  While  

 waiting for that, one of our volunteer pilots, is refurbishing and  

 restoring the original radios in the radio compartment.  This  

 includes the Morris code key, throat mikes, etc.  Plus by May he  

 will attempted to have a working Norton bomb sight.  I've been told  

 that if you hold a neon tube next to the antennae while  

 transmitting, it will light the tube, with out a power cord.


	


That is correct. I have often used that as a quick test for output.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Also as PIC I will be required to get a Ham radio license because of  

 the frequencies IF I need to use the radios!!!


	


Not necessarily. If you are using it in an aircraft on the aviation  

frequencies your restricted radiotelephone license is sufficient.  

OTOH, if you use it in the ham bands you will need a ham license. You  

will need at least a general-class license. The requirement for morse  

code has been removed.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Not only that they're getting the belly turret fully functional (yes  

 minus guns) and the top turret can now be moved manually.  The old  

 plastic glass turret was not perfectly round and would bind.  While  

 up there one day doing the refueling, I slipped while stepping over  

 the turret and broke it when I fell on it.  The new one ($5,500) is  

 perfect.  Who said I couldn't be an agent of change?



 Newest pilot comfort?  Fuel gages, new glass over head and a new  

 electric standby horizon.



 Pappy.   -..  --- --- .-.. ... -.-. Y  (I think)


	


Well, in code that was DOOLSCY. I think you wanted to send GOOLSBY  

which would have been:



--. --- --- .-.. ... -... -.--



If you want to learn morse code there is an *EXCELLENT* system called  

"Code Quick". It is what I am using to teach the code to the kids at  

school. All the 5th-8th graders are studying for their ham radio  

licenses and even tho' they aren't required to know the code, I am  

teaching it to them anyway as their technician-class licenses will  

only allow them code privileges on 80M, 40M, and 15M.



Code Quick web site: http://www.cq2k.com/

--

Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

+1.916.367.2131 (voice)             +1.270.912.0788 (fax)



I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



PGP key ID:          12095C52A32A1B6C

PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0  CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C

brian-1927(at)lloyd.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

On Jan 17, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Dave Laird wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Mark and Brian,



 I'm starting to think that you two need to spend some quality time  

 together  - off list... in person - like maybe dinner, drinks and a  

 movie.


	


Naw, we'd get together and he'd show me his (rig) and I'd show him  

mine. Sounds like he has some stuff I'd like to have -- including the  

-50.



 	  Quote: 	
		   'Cuz your big-brain-mutual-admiration-society-of-two is starting to  

 sound more and more like a budding romance to me these days...  


	


Aw, shucks.



 	  Quote: 	
		   Uh, not that there is anything wrong with that... in some states...


	


Hey, I live in California. If you ain't gay you ain't ... uh, electable.



 	  Quote: 	
		   I jest because i love,


	


Ah, but *whom* do you love? That is the question. 



 	  Quote: 	
		  



 Dave Laird

 N63536  1983 CJ6A  "Betty"

 Dallas  (ADS)




	


--

Brian Lloyd                         3191 Western Drive

brian HYPHEN 1927 AT lloyd DOT com    Cameron Park, CA 95682

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I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .

— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry



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yakplt(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:43 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

We have the same interests and the same hobbies.  Even in his current activity of  working with kids, we do more or less the same thing.  His "kids" are a lot younger than mine, but what the heck!  :_0

  

 As for the other insinuation.... I heard the same thing about you, but when you told me you tried it and did not enjoy it at all, I decided to never mention it again.   Am I a nice guy or what?  

  

 Mark Bitterlich

 

 

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yakplt(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

> Interesting idea, at least from a civil aircraft standpoint.  Will  

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		   the FAA buy that for over water beyond VHF range flights?


	


 Brian, I was talking about the idea of a sat phone taking the place of an HF radio.  Not whether the KWM-2 was legal.  Shoot... I believe the first SSB radios put in military aircraft was done by Collins and Curtis Lemay... 75A4 receiver I think. 

  

 Mark Bitterlich

 

 

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yakplt(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

Roger, a lot of things that other people say on this list bore me to east Jesus as well.  I am far from a perfect person. To Wit:  Along with all those technical articles on YAK electrical systems and "how to" articles that have helped a few people anyway, I also sometimes ramble along about other technical aspects such as managing to figure out how to make an HF antenna work on a general aviation aircraft.  I admit the idea of flying a YAK-52 across the Atlantic also excites me just as much as an Immelman off the deck at 9VG.  

  

 Hopefully the good outweighs the bad.  It may not in your case.  Oh well.   

  

 As you said: "Best Regards Anyway"  

  

 Mark Bitterlich

 



 

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jan.mevis(at)informavia.b
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: Shipping from Europe to USA

I’m not bothered by these discussions at all. At the contrary. If I don’t have much time, then I don’t read them completely.   

I just don’t like “agressive” replies. And to the readers that have English as their native langue, please don’t forget that a lot of us outside usually speak other languages. So we make errors.  

   

Jan   

       

From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Yak Pilot

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 To: yak-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Shipping from Europe to USA  

  

  

       

Roger, a lot of things that other people say on this list bore me to east Jesus as well.  I am far from a perfect person. To Wit:  Along with all those technical articles on YAK electrical systems and "how to" articles that have helped a few people anyway, I also sometimes ramble along about other technical aspects such as managing to figure out how to make an HF antenna work on a general aviation aircraft.  I admit the idea of flying a YAK-52 across the Atlantic also excites me just as much as an Immelman off the deck at 9VG.    

    

   

    

Hopefully the good outweighs the bad.  It may not in your case.  Oh well.     

    

   

    

As you said: "Best Regards Anyway"    

    

   

    

Mark Bitterlich  

    



 

    

    

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