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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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 Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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That's a RAT ROD, not a RAT MOTOR.
Not the same thing Kemo-Sabi.
Mark
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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RAT motors are considered to be any of the Big Block Chevy engines starting... As I remember it... With the 409, then the 396, 427, 454, 502, etc. The small block engines are called "Mouse Motors", and include the 283, 302, 307, 327, 350, 400.
The term RAT MOTOR came from the drag racer who first became famous for running them, which I THINK might have been Grumpy Jenkins, but I am not positive about just who it was. In any case, his car had a name that had "Rat" in it... I want to say "The Rat". There was a big picture on the side of the race car showing this huge rat reaching up and grabbing the shifter. This started the whole thing about big blocks being called "Rat Motors".
I run a 605HP 502 CU Rat in my 68 Camaro.
Mark Bitterlich
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dstroud(at)storm.ca
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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Jeeze..right you are Mark and that brings back excellent memories of the early
'70's up here. A good buddy had a 450 hp 427 in a late '60's Chevelle and when
he got married, the bitch made him take out the rat and put in a "mouse". He did
and has never been the same since.........
David Stroud Ottawa, Canada
C-FDWS Christavia
Fairchild 51 under construction
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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David,
You and others might find it interesting to know that recently the Speed Channel guys on TV did a retro test on all the old original Muscle Car engines of that period. The "story" back then is that the factory ALWAYS under-rated them for insurance purposes. For example, the LS-6 454 cranked out 500 HP stock. I forget what your friends 427 actually did, but it was over 450 HP !!! The real sleeper of the crowd? Mopar's 426 Hemi. I about choked on dinner. That stock motor with the optional factory cam turned out EIGHT HUNDRED AND THIRTY HORSEPOWER ON THE DYNO !!! My God.
And here I thought I was something with 605 HP. NOT.
Mark
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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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You left out one of the mouse motors Mark.....the predecessor to the 283 and
its successors, the 265. The 1st Chevy OHV V8 engine was a 265 Cu. In.
engine, introduced in 1955 Chevy. Physically looks identical to the 283.
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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You're right. I was waiting for someone to jump on me about the 302 and no one suckered in on that one!
Mark
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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Wasn't it a 305? But I could be wrong.
Dennis
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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No, it was a 302. Basically a 327 with a 283 crank shaft. Four bolt mains and big valve (2.02) heads. The think revved like a banshee. They did that because they were racing at the time and there was some requirement that the engine be no bigger than "x". The exact number I can not remember, but anyway, that's why they built the thing. It was in production Z-28's Camaro's ONLY from late 68 until about halfway through 69 when they switched to the 350. I owned one. Well... My wife did anyway. It was a screamer. Came stock with 4:11 gears with POSI, close ratio Hurst shifted M-21 Muncie 4 speed, Hi-Rise manifold, Holley Carb, solid lifter came, with HUGE lift and duration.
My EX-wife sold it for $8000 a few years ago. It is worth about $20 thou. Stupid bitch.
Mark
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jorgen.nielsen(at)mweb.co
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: Doug, anyone, 400hp engines please... |
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Here in SA we had a Chev Firenza (small car) homologation special called a
"can-am" with a racing 302 in it.
Had chassis re-enforced to try prevent chassis twist. Smoked most other
cars at the time. Sadly only a few left.
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