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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:15 am Post subject: Large attachments

The beauty of the picture size is resolution and utility after receipt.

Once adulterated, the picture can never serve the same value.  As Kevin

mentioned, software can assist those who have the ole technology and

rightfully chose to remain behind.  I have yet to hear the compelling

reason for dumbing down a great photo or redacting a valued technical

report for smaller file size over an electronic highway. Maybe each

image should be charged a fee for pixels.



I do acknowledge your right to stay with what you enjoy.  It was not

meant condescending only too true that there are always those that want

the runners or racers to slow down the action so they can enjoy it at a

more leisure pace.  Life has always tended to unfold just a bit faster

that we desire.



I decided to adapt, use a WD Book (1TB) to save those pictures and now

have over 50,000 unadultered images of RVs.  When shared, people go wow,

I had no idea all that information in each picture, then some go, why is

that one so poor.  The extra $30 per month for the web service has been

priceless.  I do still remember 300baud telephony handset modems and the

thrill of a Kelsey Hayes that could push the envelope to 900.  I

wouldn't want my cardiologist using a redacted digital image of my heart

scan when the time comes to renew a medical comes up.  Maybe then he

will find I don't have a heart.



If you want to try offline, I will gladly assist readers in providing a

range of cheap technologies available.  Sprint 4G for my laptop in

airports has been another boon.  I still have my old Motorola BRICK

cellphone and rotary dial phones for waxing nostalgically.



John

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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:54 am Post subject: Large attachments

Good gosh is there any RV content in this entire thread?



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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:11 am Post subject: Large attachments

I already posted my views, but let me make some comments to John's 

email.  I have empathy for the dial-up guys and really do see their 

point.  I've been on both sides.  "live with it" isn't really a good answer.



John Cox wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 The beauty of the picture size is resolution and utility after receipt.

 Once adulterated, the picture can never serve the same value.  As Kevin

 mentioned, software can assist those who have the ole technology and

 rightfully chose to remain behind.  I have yet to hear the compelling

 reason for dumbing down a great photo or redacting a valued technical

 report for smaller file size over an electronic highway. Maybe each

 image should be charged a fee for pixels.

The only compelling reason is having some consideration for those with 
	


slower dial-ups and for their (and my) storage capability.  Most all the 

pictures on this list are informational and a 640 X 480 picture serves 

the purpose.  I see no reason to send a huge picture that 1) you can't 

see it on you screen without scrolling all over the place (and I realize 

there are add-ons that will help out here)and 2)if the pic needs to be 

cropped to get the desired resolution .... then do it before sending.

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 I do acknowledge your right to stay with what you enjoy.  It was not

 meant condescending only too true that there are always those that want

 the runners or racers to slow down the action so they can enjoy it at a

 more leisure pace.  Life has always tended to unfold just a bit faster

 that we desire.

Some folks are just as happy with their dial-up connection, but want to 
	


take a drink without the fire hose.  It's their choice.  And they may 

not have a better option ....  I don't know.

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 I decided to adapt, use a WD Book (1TB) to save those pictures and now

 have over 50,000 unadultered images of RVs.  When shared, people go wow,

 I had no idea all that information in each picture, then some go, why is

 that one so poor.  The extra $30 per month for the web service has been

 priceless.  I do still remember 300baud telephony handset modems and the

 thrill of a Kelsey Hayes that could push the envelope to 900.  I

 wouldn't want my cardiologist using a redacted digital image of my heart

 scan when the time comes to renew a medical comes up.  Maybe then he

 will find I don't have a heart.

Any picture that's sent "dumbed down" can be had pristine with a simple 
	


request to the owner.  I know why YOU want big pictures, and I agree 

with you.  Big pictures fits your needs, but they're not for everybody. 

  There's an alternative route for you to get the quality and mega-pixel 

pictures, but none for the slow connection guys.

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 If you want to try offline, I will gladly assist readers in providing a

 range of cheap technologies available.  Sprint 4G for my laptop in

 airports has been another boon.  I still have my old Motorola BRICK

 cellphone and rotary dial phones for waxing nostalgically.

I'm slowly getting mobile .... I use my iPAQ (primarily used for 
	


Anywhere Map) when I can get a free hot spot ..... but I don't want to 

pay for minutes on my cell phone.  That takes bucks away from my 

airplane account!!!

Just another perspective,

Linn



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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:41 am Post subject: Large attachments

Timothy E. Cone wrote:

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 Good gosh is there any RV content in this entire thread?

Yes.  It's here:  "I decided to adapt, use a WD Book (1TB) to save those 
	


pictures and now have over 50,000 unadultered images of RVs."



Sorry, couldn't resist!

Linn



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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: Large attachments

John,



I realize that at least where I'm sitting that it's America & everyone 

has the right to their own opinions & attitudes. I also realize that 

email is an imperfect communication medium & the writer's intent may be 

misinterpreted by the reader. Having said that, please allow me to let 

you know how your recent posts read to me, and apparently to quite a few 

other members.



What I read in your posts is the attitude of, "I ate well well tonight, 

so there's no reason for anyone else in the world to be hungry, except 

by choice. And even if it's not by choice, X%X# them & the horse their 

momma rode in on."



Now, even though that's how I read your posts, I'm going to assume that 

your heart is in the right place & you just have the problem of 

ignorance. (Your fault, of course, but since I'm such a nice guy I'll 

help you out anyway.)



I live on a major 4 lane Federal highway 10 miles from a city of 300,000 

and 4 miles from a small community that's had broadband for at least 5 

years. Broadband 1st became available to me about 1 year ago. I spent 

years begging, pleading, talking to every supplier, including Cell tower 

providers, I could contact. No joy on any of them until last year. Here 

are some statistics. Until about 2 years ago, less than 50% of the 

addresses in the USA had access to broadband in any form except 

satellite. It's much better now; 70% of the country can now access 

broadband. (Listers in backwater places like Europe and Japan only have 

90-99% coverage;  poor guys...)



I'm sure that the next thing you'll say is "Let 'em eat satellite." I 

researched it for years. I can afford it. Every customer I talked to had 

an experience that ranged from 'better than dialup, but not by much' to 

'forget it; it's a waste of money', coupled with the fact that all the 

services have relatively low download caps, limiting the total megabytes 

of download per month (see current discussion). But more to the point: 

There are people on this list who's entire flying budget is not much 

more than the ~60-$80/month that satellite costs. "X%X# 'em," you say?



My understanding of the reason lists like these exist is to help others, 

not public self-stroking. In all but very rare cases, image files larger 

than around 200k have no value when viewed on a computer monitor, keep 

those less privileged (by either finances or other circumstances beyond 

their control) from seeing them and pointlessly denying them the help we 

all are trying to offer, and pointlessly chews up internet bandwidth, 

ultimately costing all of us more for broadband access.



Maybe we won't ever see eye to eye on this, but I'm hoping that there 

will be others that can understand & try to help instead of hinder the 

sharing of knowledge.



Charlie



(archive away; if the archive can handle pointless 3megabyte images, it 

can handle a 20k text email.)



John Cox wrote:

[quote] 



 The beauty of the picture size is resolution and utility after receipt.

 Once adulterated, the picture can never serve the same value.  As Kevin

 mentioned, software can assist those who have the ole technology and

 rightfully chose to remain behind.  I have yet to hear the compelling

 reason for dumbing down a great photo or redacting a valued technical

 report for smaller file size over an electronic highway. Maybe each

 image should be charged a fee for pixels.



 I do acknowledge your right to stay with what you enjoy.  It was not

 meant condescending only too true that there are always those that want

 the runners or racers to slow down the action so they can enjoy it at a

 more leisure pace.  Life has always tended to unfold just a bit faster

 that we desire.



 I decided to adapt, use a WD Book (1TB) to save those pictures and now

 have over 50,000 unadultered images of RVs.  When shared, people go wow,

 I had no idea all that information in each picture, then some go, why is

 that one so poor.  The extra $30 per month for the web service has been

 priceless.  I do still remember 300baud telephony handset modems and the

 thrill of a Kelsey Hayes that could push the envelope to 900.  I

 wouldn't want my cardiologist using a redacted digital image of my heart

 scan when the time comes to renew a medical comes up.  Maybe then he

 will find I don't have a heart.



 If you want to try offline, I will gladly assist readers in providing a

 range of cheap technologies available.  Sprint 4G for my laptop in

 airports has been another boon.  I still have my old Motorola BRICK

 cellphone and rotary dial phones for waxing nostalgically.



 John

 Do not Archive



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jsflyrv(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:19 pm Post subject: Large attachments

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 My understanding of the reason lists like these exist is to help 

 others, not public self-stroking. In all but very rare cases, image 

 files larger than around 200k have no value when viewed on a computer 

 monitor, keep those less privileged (by either finances or other 

 circumstances beyond their control) from seeing them and pointlessly 

 denying them the help we all are trying to offer, and pointlessly 

 chews up internet bandwidth, ultimately costing all of us more for 

 broadband access.



 Maybe we won't ever see eye to eye on this, but I'm hoping that there 

 will be others that can understand & try to help instead of hinder the 

 sharing of knowledge.



The bandwidth argument is really a old one when bandwidth was a problem. 
	


How does it cost you more for broadband use?



My neighbor has a Corvette, I really want him to drive a Volkswagen like 

I do, because I cannot afford a Corvette

just not fair he can drive a much more expensive car.



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