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cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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 Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
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Is it possible to add cabin heat to a Kolb? I know there's no factory kit
for it, but I've heard it can be done with a 503 engine. Any Kolb that I
get will end up with a 912 engine, and I'm wondering if there's a way to
add cabin heat to that setup. Anybody ever done it?
Thanks!
Chris Wolf
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Richard Pike
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
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I ran the plumbing past the radiator through the cockpit and to a small
heater core in the nose, and then back to the radiator. Put a 12V computer
fan in front of the heater core to draw air through. It worked pretty good
in the summer...
Got tired of fooling with it. Took it out. Might be possible with more work,
but I decided that warm clothes and good boots were simpler.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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John Hauck
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
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| Is it possible to add cabin heat to a Kolb? Anybody ever done it?
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Chris:
I went to the Kolb Archives, typed in "cabin heat" in the search
string. Got 72 hits. That should keep you busy for a few minutes.
Rather than go to the trouble of piping hot air or hot water into my
cabin, I opted for a Chilli Vest designed for endurance riders in
England, where conditions can be very cold and very wet. The Chilli
Vest is a 12VDC powered and electronic digitally controlled piece of
equipment. I operate mine off the aircraft battery. Have made a
couple flights to the Arctic region with it. Good piece of gear that
gets the job done. Allows one to fly in below freezing temps with
minimum of winter clothing. Keeps the core temp up and the pilot
happy. 
http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm
john h
mkIII
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:57 pm Post subject: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
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| I ran the plumbing past the radiator through the cockpit and to a
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| heater core in the nose, and then back to the radiator.
| Richard Pike
Richard:
I don't like the idea of hot water in the cockpit. Two reasons:
1-Burns.
2-If a hose or fitting blows, not only do you get burned and possibly
blinded by the hot water and antifreeze, the cockpit instantly goes
IFR from the steamed up glass.
I know of two instances where this happened, and neither of these was
related to a cockpit heaters.
Norm Labhart was flying the MKIII and a coolant hose let go, instantly
pumping hot water onto his back and head, plus steaming up the glass
and blinding him.
Bryan Blackwood was flying Bruce Chesnut's Sling Shot at Labhart Field
with a child in the back seat. This is the same SS I had been flying
earlier in the day. Coolant hose let go blowing hot water on both of
them, plus steamed up the glass and instant IFR.
Think I'll stick with my Chilli Vest.
john h
mkIII
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cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:21:46 -0400, Richard Pike wrote:
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I ran the plumbing past the radiator through the cockpit and to a small
heater core in the nose, and then back to the radiator. Put a 12V computer
fan in front of the heater core to draw air through. It worked pretty good
in the summer...
Got tired of fooling with it. Took it out. Might be possible with more work,
but I decided that warm clothes and good boots were simpler.
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I do have a very good dog mushers suit; the same sort they wear during the
Iditarod dog race in Alaska. Thin, lightweight, absolutely windproof,
wonderfully warm, and expensive as hell. Bought it from Cabella's. I love
it for open cockpit flying. Guess it would work for the Kolb, in winter.
Thanks for the feedback!
Chris Wolf
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cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:33:33 -0500, John Hauck wrote:
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> | Is it possible to add cabin heat to a Kolb? Anybody ever done it?
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>| Thanks!
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>| Chris Wolf
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| Quote: | Chris:
I went to the Kolb Archives, typed in "cabin heat" in the search
string. Got 72 hits. That should keep you busy for a few minutes.
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I'll take a look at them. Thanks!
| Quote: | Rather than go to the trouble of piping hot air or hot water into my
cabin, I opted for a Chilli Vest designed for endurance riders in
England, where conditions can be very cold and very wet. The Chilli
Vest is a 12VDC powered and electronic digitally controlled piece of
equipment. I operate mine off the aircraft battery. Have made a
couple flights to the Arctic region with it. Good piece of gear that
gets the job done. Allows one to fly in below freezing temps with
minimum of winter clothing. Keeps the core temp up and the pilot
happy.
http://www.sargentcycle.com/chillivest.htm
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I have a similar electric vest that I've used for open cockpit flying, with
great results. I forget the brand name of mine, but it's made of carbon
fiber cloth. No individual wires; the cloth is one big heating wire, and
produces a very even heat over the entire surface of the cloth. No hot or
cold spots. Kinda like being snuggled up next to your Honey, on a cold
night. You can even poke a hole in the vest, and it still works. Nice
electronic thermostat.
I used to wear it while flying a powered parachute in the wintertime. Kept
me delightfully warm. But the 503 Rotax engine was also powering a pair of
electric carb heaters, and an EIS display. When I turned on my vest, the
numbers disappeared on the EIS. Had to alternate between reading my EIS,
and keeping warm!
Chris Wolf
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ElleryWeld(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
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I have made a Complete inclosure on My Firestar and a Heater for the 447 and I have made heaters for the 503 as well it sure makes it nice flying all winter usually in just a long sleeve shirt I make a collector Box that installs over where your engine cooling air escapes to the atmosphere it has a flap valve inside to direct the heat inside the cabin or to the atmosphere and I can control how much heat I get in flight also
I willl take pictures and Post them if you need
Ellery in a Heated Firestar
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Richard Pike
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
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That's why I took it out. Not to mention the fact that it didn't work worth
keeping. Now if it had worked really, really good... but it didn't.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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cwolf41(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: Kolb Cabin Heat? |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:09:35 EDT, Ellery wrote:
| Quote: | I have made a Complete inclosure on My Firestar and a Heater for the 447 and
I have made heaters for the 503 as well it sure makes it nice flying all
winter usually in just a long sleeve shirt.
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That would be nice!
| Quote: | I make a collector Box that installs
over where your engine cooling air escapes to the atmosphere it has a flap
valve inside to direct the heat inside the cabin or to the atmosphere and I can
control how much heat I get in flight also.
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That sounds great. Will such a setup also work on a Rotax 912? I know
that engine is at least partly liquid cooled.
| Quote: | I willl take pictures and Post them if you need
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Thanks!
Chris Wolf
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