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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 1:19 pm    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc.
I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with.
This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day."
I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:07 pm    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless.
When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive".
Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price.
Tim
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On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:



I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc.
I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with.
This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day."
I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

I can't confirm that you are right ... But I would correct you if you were wrong. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:02 pm    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

I just renewed my policy with Nation Air and got a nice surprise - $700+
lower premium than last year with the same coverage.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:16 pm    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

Just got mine renewed at $577 less than last year from Falcon. What a pleasent surprise! It is somewhat affordable now.

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On Apr 7, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:



Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless.
When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive".
Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price.
Tim
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> On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:
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>
>
> I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc.
> I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with.
> This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day."
> I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me.
>
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> Mesa, AZ
> Flew May 10 2014
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:21 pm    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

Myron, I had the exact same experience, two quotes over two years, both
more than twice the amount of the others, and finally telling them to
stop mailing me.

I have to admit I like Tim's "mail back" program better! Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:31 pm    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

Great recommendation! On Apr 7, 2015 3:09 PM, "Tim Olson" <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)>

Sounds like Avemco to me.  Worthless.
When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive".
Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price.
Tim
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> On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa <woxof(at)aol.com (woxof(at)aol.com)> wrote:
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> --> RV10-List message posted by: "woxofswa" <woxof(at)aol.com (woxof(at)aol.com)>
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> I don't get it.  There is an insurance company that baffles my mind.  They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc.
> I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with.
> This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft.  So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want?  "I don't know" was the answer.  "We deal with this every day."
> I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business.  Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:32 pm    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

As you are aware, Falcon and Nationair are just agents. Who are the underwriters? I'd be interested in understanding what underwriters are giving the best deal.

Bob

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On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> wrote:



Just got mine renewed at $577 less than last year from Falcon. What a pleasent surprise! It is somewhat affordable now.

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Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 7, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless.
> When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive".
> Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price.
> Tim
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc.
>> I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with.
>> This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day."
>> I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me.
>>
>> --------
>> Myron Nelson
>> Mesa, AZ
>> Flew May 10 2014
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:32 pm    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

I'm with Nationair too and mine also dropped this year....good stuff.
Tim

[quote] On Apr 7, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich(at)verizon.net> wrote:



I just renewed my policy with Nation Air and got a nice surprise - $700+
lower premium than last year with the same coverage.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:12 pm    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

I think mine is Global. I sent the renewal so I cannot check now. I can tell you when I get the confirmation. Let me know if you want it.

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On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> wrote:



As you are aware, Falcon and Nationair are just agents. Who are the underwriters? I'd be interested in understanding what underwriters are giving the best deal.

Bob

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Just got mine renewed at $577 less than last year from Falcon. What a pleasent surprise! It is somewhat affordable now.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Rob Kermanj
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless.
>> When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive".
>> Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price.
>> Tim
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc.
>>> I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with.
>>> This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day."
>>> I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Myron Nelson
>>> Mesa, AZ
>>> Flew May 10 2014
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391







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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

What a coincidence! Although I didn't bother last year, just last month I asked AVEMCO for a quote. Just to see if anything had changed. The answer is no change. Coverage limits are still "per person", not "per passenger" like everyone else. And, almost twice as expensive as my current policy (up for renewal soon). BUT, when I asked for a quote 2 years ago, they did send me a nice baseball cap with their name on it. My hangar-neighbor remarked that that was the most expensive cap he had ever seen.

For Bob: I'm with USAIG thru Nationair. We had them many years ago when a partner had a prop strike, and we had nothing but the best experience with their claims guy. I also like their plain language policy. It even tells me what they'll pay for my labor, if I choose to repair a covered claim myself!

BTW: Two years ago I asked Jenny (Nationair) why they didn't quote company X, which some others were reporting as offering very attractive rates. She told me that they wouldn't quote a company if they had doubts about their actual ability to stick around and pay for losses. A year later company X was no longer in the business. That's the kind of advice you pay a good broker for.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:50 pm    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

Mine is Global too.
Lowest price ever this year.
Tim

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On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:07 PM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> wrote:



I think mine is Global. I sent the renewal so I cannot check now. I can tell you when I get the confirmation. Let me know if you want it.

Do not archive.

Rob Kermanj
Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> As you are aware, Falcon and Nationair are just agents. Who are the underwriters? I'd be interested in understanding what underwriters are giving the best deal.
>
> Bob
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Just got mine renewed at $577 less than last year from Falcon. What a pleasent surprise! It is somewhat affordable now.
>>
>> Do not archive.
>>
>> Rob Kermanj
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless.
>>> When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive".
>>> Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price.
>>> Tim
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc.
>>>> I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with.
>>>> This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day."
>>>> I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Myron Nelson
>>>> Mesa, AZ
>>>> Flew May 10 2014
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391







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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:53 pm    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

Isn't Avemco promoted by EAA? Or are they just a big advertiser? I would think that EAA wouldn't want to be associated with a company that does such a poor job with homebuilders.
Tim

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What a coincidence! Although I didn't bother last year, just last month I asked AVEMCO for a quote. Just to see if anything had changed. The answer is no change. Coverage limits are still "per person", not "per passenger" like everyone else. And, almost twice as expensive as my current policy (up for renewal soon). BUT, when I asked for a quote 2 years ago, they did send me a nice baseball cap with their name on it. My hangar-neighbor remarked that that was the most expensive cap he had ever seen.

For Bob: I'm with USAIG thru Nationair. We had them many years ago when a partner had a prop strike, and we had nothing but the best experience with their claims guy. I also like their plain language policy. It even tells me what they'll pay for my labor, if I choose to repair a covered claim myself!

BTW: Two years ago I asked Jenny (Nationair) why they didn't quote company X, which some others were reporting as offering very attractive rates. She told me that they wouldn't quote a company if they had doubts about their actual ability to stick around and pay for losses. A year later company X was no longer in the business. That's the kind of advice you pay a good broker for.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:44 pm    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

Yes it is most likely Global. There rates have been very competitive this year.

Jenny Estes NationAir
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On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:



Mine is Global too.
Lowest price ever this year.
Tim



> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:07 PM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think mine is Global. I sent the renewal so I cannot check now. I can tell you when I get the confirmation. Let me know if you want it.
>
> Do not archive.
>
> Rob Kermanj
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:27 PM, Bob Leffler <rv(at)thelefflers.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> As you are aware, Falcon and Nationair are just agents. Who are the underwriters? I'd be interested in understanding what underwriters are giving the best deal.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Rob Kermanj <flysrv10(at)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just got mine renewed at $577 less than last year from Falcon. What a pleasent surprise! It is somewhat affordable now.
>>>
>>> Do not archive.
>>>
>>> Rob Kermanj
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless.
>>>> When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive".
>>>> Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price.
>>>> Tim
>>>> Do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 7, 2015, at 4:19 PM, woxofswa <woxof(at)aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't get it. There is an insurance company that baffles my mind. They specialize in direct sales (which you would think would be efficient), and advertise heavily to the experimental community in direct mail, magazine ads, a huge presence at OSH, etc.
>>>>> I get mailers all the time from this company and twice I have allowed them to offer me a quote, and both times that have been nearly twice as much as what I eventually ended up with.
>>>>> This last time I asked the embarrassed rep of this company why their quotes are so out of line and the answer I received was that the company truly isn't interested in making competitive quotes to experimental aircraft. So why, I asked, do they spend so much in marketing to a market segment they don't want? "I don't know" was the answer. "We deal with this every day."
>>>>> I told them they could reduce their mailing costs by removing me from their list and that they should probably reconsider their expensive ads claiming to love experimental business. Obviously they must underwrite enough paper to stay in business, but it sure seems like a strange way to operate to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Myron Nelson
>>>>> Mesa, AZ
>>>>> Flew May 10 2014
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=440391#440391







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PostPosted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

Tim Olson wrote:
Isn't Avemco promoted by EAA? Or are they just a big advertiser? I would think that EAA wouldn't want to be associated with a company that does such a poor job with homebuilders.
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EAA and AVEMCO used to have some sort of official relationship, but had a friendly divorce some years ago.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:09 am    Post subject: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

I don't recall if they had a relationship with EAA. They were for years the insurer of choice of AOPA. that ended around 25 yrs ago. They were one of the few that would write coverage for planes based in Alaska, but then only south of the Arctic Circle. I used them for a long time when I was based there. Once I moved to lower 48 I found other brokers/underwriters offered better coverage at less money.
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Tim Olson wrote:
> Isn't Avemco promoted by EAA?  Or are they just a big advertiser?  I would think that EAA wouldn't want to be associated with a company that does such a poor job with homebuilders.
> Tim
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EAA and AVEMCO used to have some sort of official relationship, but had a friendly divorce some years ago.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Insurance mystery Reply with quote

Tim Olson wrote:
Sounds like Avemco to me. Worthless.
When I get their envelopes in the mail, I open them, stuff the contents in the prepaid return mailer and write on them with a marker saying "too expensive".
Then it at least costs them more to try to peddle their BS at twice the price.
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I just got a follow up letter from Avemco, wanting me to send them the okay for their twice as expensive insurance.

I like your idea, "It's too expensive" is going onto their pre-paid envelope!


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