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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:26 pm    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:08 pm    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:17 pm    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

Thank you!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:39 pm    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2022 1:50 pm    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

These are home made.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:36 am    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need these.

Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these.
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These are home made.

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> On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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>  Can someone please point me to the vendor for these?  Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:50 am    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

I disagree. Even if you are careful, there is a small percentage of time that you’ll not hit the hole. Admittedly, I’ve accidently let the bogart bar slip a couple times a year. After flying for ten years, I had a few paint chips that this covered perfectly. Then there is an issue if you ever have a lineman attempt to put a tow bar on. This does a great job of mitigating all these risks.

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If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need these.


Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these.



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These are home made.

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> On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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> Can someone please point me to the vendor for these? Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:09 am    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

I think you are both in agreement, see the translation!
On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:

Quote:

I disagree. Even if you are careful, there is a small percentage of time that you’ll not hit the hole. Admittedly, I’ve accidently let the bogart bar slip a couple times a year. After flying for ten years, I had a few paint chips that this covered perfectly. Then there is an issue if you ever have a lineman attempt to put a tow bar on. This does a great job of mitigating all these risks.



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If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need these.


Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these.



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These are home made.



Sent from my iPad



> On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

>

> 

> Can someone please point me to the vendor for these? Thanks!

>

>

>

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:39 am    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

Please forgive the intrusion (I have no experience with nosewheel pant/towbar conflicts), but I'm wondering if a disc (donut) of 3M clear 'leading edge tape' would accomplish the same thing. Especially if there were a donut of aluminum bonded to the inside of the pant.
Charlie
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I think you are both in agreement, see the translation!
On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:

Quote:

I disagree.   Even if you are careful, there is a small percentage of time that you’ll not hit the hole.   Admittedly, I’ve accidently let the bogart bar slip a couple times a year.   After flying for ten years, I had a few paint chips that this covered perfectly.   Then there is an issue if you ever have a lineman attempt to put a tow bar on.  This does a great job of mitigating all these risks.

 

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If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need these.

 
Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these.

 

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 5:55 PM Gary Specketer <gspecketer(at)gmail.com (gspecketer(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:

These are home made.



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> On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

>

> 

>  Can someone please point me to the vendor for these?  Thanks!

>

>

>

> --Dave






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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:52 am    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

Or as I have done on several nosewheel pants, use a longer capscrew bolt, with a fender washer between the head and a spacer so that the towbar stud is outside the pants with the washer flush with the pants surface. The washer prevents the towbar from ever entering the pants. Works, even for tow jockies not familiar with RVs. I got tired of repairing fiberglass ripped by the towbar not being on the stud.

Later, - Lew

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On 9/25/2022 12:40:41 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> wrote:Please forgive the intrusion (I have no experience with nosewheel pant/towbar conflicts), but I'm wondering if a disc (donut) of 3M clear 'leading edge tape' would accomplish the same thing. Especially if there were a donut of aluminum bonded to the inside of the pant.
Charlie
On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:12 AM Sam Ritchie <sritchie09(at)gmail.com (sritchie09(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
I think you are both in agreement, see the translation!
On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:

Quote:

I disagree.   Even if you are careful, there is a small percentage of time that you’ll not hit the hole.   Admittedly, I’ve accidently let the bogart bar slip a couple times a year.   After flying for ten years, I had a few paint chips that this covered perfectly.   Then there is an issue if you ever have a lineman attempt to put a tow bar on.  This does a great job of mitigating all these risks.

 

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)> On Behalf Of Bill Boyd

Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 10:36 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement?


 

If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need these.

 
Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these.

 

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 5:55 PM Gary Specketer <gspecketer(at)gmail.com (gspecketer(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:

These are home made.



Sent from my iPad



> On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

>

> 

>  Can someone please point me to the vendor for these?  Thanks!

>

>

>

> --Dave








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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 9:33 am    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

I have something similar made out of aluminum that a friend with a lathe made for me. I just bonded them on to the the wheel pants with structural adhesive. There was a short tube turned into the inside as part of it and I set that into cotton flox on the inside to make a metal tube that the tow bar goes into. Stainless would probably be better because it is more scratch resistant.

Robert Jones

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On Sep 25, 2022, at 9:42 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Please forgive the intrusion (I have no experience with nosewheel pant/towbar conflicts), but I'm wondering if a disc (donut) of 3M clear 'leading edge tape' would accomplish the same thing. Especially if there were a donut of aluminum bonded to the inside of the pant.
Charlie
On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:12 AM Sam Ritchie <sritchie09(at)gmail.com (sritchie09(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
I think you are both in agreement, see the translation!
On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:

Quote:

I disagree. Even if you are careful, there is a small percentage of time that you’ll not hit the hole. Admittedly, I’ve accidently let the bogart bar slip a couple times a year. After flying for ten years, I had a few paint chips that this covered perfectly. Then there is an issue if you ever have a lineman attempt to put a tow bar on. This does a great job of mitigating all these risks.



From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)> On Behalf Of Bill Boyd

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To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement?




If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need these.


Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these.



On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 5:55 PM Gary Specketer <gspecketer(at)gmail.com (gspecketer(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:

These are home made.



Sent from my iPad



> On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

>

> 

> Can someone please point me to the vendor for these? Thanks!

>

>

>

> --Dave








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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

I can honestly say I haven’t had any on/off problems with the Bogart tow bar - once I figured out a trick, which is to use one of your legs as a fulcrum so you can fully control the bar while you slowly close the jaws. Now, what line boys do once out of my sight, I cannot say!

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:33 pm    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

I did try leading edge tape.  It's no match for an angry Bogert.

We use the Bogert bar and an electric tug.  The tug is really the culprit as it's pretty unwieldy.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 9:42 AM Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
Please forgive the intrusion (I have no experience with nosewheel pant/towbar conflicts), but I'm wondering if a disc (donut) of 3M clear 'leading edge tape' would accomplish the same thing. Especially if there were a donut of aluminum bonded to the inside of the pant.
Charlie
On Sun, Sep 25, 2022 at 10:12 AM Sam Ritchie <sritchie09(at)gmail.com (sritchie09(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
I think you are both in agreement, see the translation!
On Sun, Sep 25, 2022, at 8:50 AM, Bob Leffler wrote:

Quote:

I disagree.   Even if you are careful, there is a small percentage of time that you’ll not hit the hole.   Admittedly, I’ve accidently let the bogart bar slip a couple times a year.   After flying for ten years, I had a few paint chips that this covered perfectly.   Then there is an issue if you ever have a lineman attempt to put a tow bar on.  This does a great job of mitigating all these risks.

 

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) <owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)> On Behalf Of Bill Boyd

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Subject: Re: Tow bar hole reinforcement?


 

If you are very, very careful with your towbar, you will not need these.

 
Translation: Better get a pair; you will need these.

 

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 5:55 PM Gary Specketer <gspecketer(at)gmail.com (gspecketer(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:

These are home made.



Sent from my iPad



> On Sep 24, 2022, at 4:33 PM, Dave Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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> 

>  Can someone please point me to the vendor for these?  Thanks!

>

>

>

> --Dave







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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:40 pm    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

Similar, but obviously not always successful:  I open the Bogert then clinch the lever arm open against the fork with my right hand.  Then I put the opposite side of the bar on into the fairing nice and snug.  Then (one very) carefully relax the levered side so it engages.  Works 95% of the time.

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I can honestly say I haven’t had any on/off problems with the Bogart tow bar - once I figured out a trick, which is to use one of your legs as a fulcrum so you can fully control the bar while you slowly close the jaws. Now, what line boys  do once out of my sight, I cannot say!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:33 am    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

Exactly how I do it. Works every time once you accustom yourself to the
over-center "snap" of the jaws.

When I get too feeble to control the Bogart Bar it's time to hang up the
spurs. Wink

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[quote] Similar, but obviously not always successful: I open the Bogert then
clinch the lever arm open against the fork with my right hand. Then I put
the opposite side of the bar on into the fairing nice and snug. Then (one
very) carefully relax the levered side so it engages. Works 95% of the
time.

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> I can honestly say I haven’t had any on/off problems with the Bogart tow
> bar - once I figured out a trick, which is to use one of your legs as a
> fulcrum so you can fully control the bar while you slowly close the jaws


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:59 am    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

Nah, when you're too feeble to do the Bogert Bar, it's just time to
order yourself a Best Tug A3. Smile Those are magnificent!
Tim

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When I get too feeble to control the Bogart Bar it's time to hang up the
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 10:50 am    Post subject: Tow bar hole reinforcement? Reply with quote

agree!

On 9/27/2022 10:58 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
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Nah, when you're too feeble to do the Bogert Bar, it's just time to
order yourself a Best Tug A3. Smile  Those are magnificent!
Tim




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