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david.corbett5(at)btinter
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 Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:02 am Post subject: Carriage of ELT in Netherlands |
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At a meeting at the UK Civil Aviation Authority on 17 march we were told that carriage of ELT is mandatory for all aircraft in Netherlands airspace.
Can our Europa friends in Holland please confirm whether this is the case – I am asking on behalf of a group of UK aircraft, including my Europa, which are going to night stop at Lelystad for 3 nights en route to Norway.
And – how rigidly is the carriage of Mode S above 1800’ amsl being enforced?
Many thanks,
David
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mz(at)cariama.nl
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:34 am Post subject: Carriage of ELT in Netherlands |
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Hi David,
Your information on ELT’s in Dutch airspace is partly correct, but for you that is probably how it should be interpreted by people outside of Holland.
The complete rule is: ELT’s are mandatory for all traffic crossing any of the EHAA boundaries. Traffic within Dutch airspace that never crosses those boundaries do not have to carry ELT’s.
Unfortunately for everyone in GA, Mode-S is required for all traffic in Dutch airspace. There is only one exception: in Class G under 1200’ amsl (note: not the 1800’ amsl you mention!)that is not restricted by special airspace types like TMZ’s etc. you can fly around without a transponder broadcasting. Important piece of extra information: the applicable AIC also states that Mode-A+C is no longer allowed. Don’t ask me why, I didn’t make up these rules. 
I can’t really make any trustworthy remarks about how rigidly these rules are enforced. I haven’t really heard of any confirmed situation where somebody was fined over a missing ELT or flying higher than 1200’ without a Mode-S transponder. There is one rumour about a plane being refused entry of Dutch airspace coming out of Germany, but I don’t know this was indeed about ELT of Mode-S missing.
Hope this is of help to you.
Marcel
PS
When will you be visiting Lelystad?
From: David Corbett [mailto:david.corbett5(at)btinternet.com]
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Subject: Carriage of ELT in Netherlands
At a meeting at the UK Civil Aviation Authority on 17 march we were told that carriage of ELT is mandatory for all aircraft in Netherlands airspace.
Can our Europa friends in Holland please confirm whether this is the case – I am asking on behalf of a group of UK aircraft, including my Europa, which are going to night stop at Lelystad for 3 nights en route to Norway.
And – how rigidly is the carriage of Mode S above 1800’ amsl being enforced?
Many thanks,
David
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frans(at)paardnatuurlijk.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: Carriage of ELT in Netherlands |
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David Corbett wrote:
| Quote: | At a meeting at the UK Civil Aviation Authority on 17 march we were told
that carriage of ELT is mandatory for all aircraft in Netherlands airspace.
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Well, actually I don't know for sure. I still own a Cessna, using it for
international flights, and the maintenance guys told me that I don't
need an ELT yet, there is still no enforcement of the rules. I believe
them, because they are usually eager to sell me stuff if something
suddenly becomes mandatory.
So, I have no ELT, and as far as I know, none of the airplanes in our
hangar do have an ELT.
I would just forget about this ELT-thing.
| Quote: | And - how rigidly is the carriage of Mode S above 1800' amsl being enforced?
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The truth is, there are no mode-S capable ground stations in the
Netherlands yet, as far as I know. I doubt that anyone will find out
about the lack of mode-S capability. Under the EHHA TMA (half the
country) they will ask you to switch off the transponder, because
GA-traffic overloads the ground stations. Still though, a mode-S
transponder is mandatory, in every CTR and above 1200 foot. There has
been a lot of fuss about this; even gliders are required to carry
mode-S. On the other hand, I don't know whether there is some attempted
enforcement, and what the fines eventually would be. Actually I have
never seen any official as long as I fly so I think chances are very low
that someone will bother you, especially if you avoid the larger airfields.
Personally, I think you'd better upgrade to a mode S transponder. You
can wait a little longer, but finally have to buy a mode-S anyway. The
maze is closing. Get it done now, and save yourself the ever increasing
non mode-S limitations. Just my 2 cents.
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Frans Veldman
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