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ktnc420

Joined: 31 Jan 2011
Posts: 7

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:57 pm Post subject: bad news good news

Bad news is there's one less Kolb out there. Good news is the pilot survived to fly again.

Ron M. owner of 57 Alpha Cafe at Rutherford Co. Airport (KFQD) crashed his Mark III yesterday. Plane is totaled but Ron escaped with a broken leg and serious cuts. Reports I've read say it's a miracle he survived.

I moved to the area recently and Ron and I had talked about flying together when the weather got better and he could take the time. Oh well. 



KT 

Mark III, NC



http://www.57alpha.com/

ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 317
Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: bad news good news

Hello,



I am glad he's, relatively speaking,ok....  does anyone know how or why this happened  ?



chris ambrose

M3X/Jabiru

n327CS

ktnc420

Joined: 31 Jan 2011
Posts: 7

Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: bad news good news

I don't know any details for sure. I'll try to report when I see him again.



The FAA was called but said since it was a "light-weight"??? aircraft, they would not investigate. I should be so lucky if something like this happened to me.



KT



Mark III, NC

Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:08 am Post subject: bad news good news

At 12:32 AM 2/1/2011, ktnc420 wrote:



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		  The FAA was called but said since it was a "light-weight"??? aircraft, they would not investigate. I should be so lucky if something like this happened to me. 	




 I am sure the FAA will investigate.



 More likely, somebody called it an ultralight, so the reporter called the FAA about an "ultralight crash" and the FAA would naturally say, "we don't investigate ultralight crashes."  When they learn that it was a certificated aircraft they will look into it.



 -Dana



 



 

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 Place a half full glass of water before a pessimist, optimist 

 and an engineer: 

 The pessimist says the glass is half empty.  

 The optimist says the glass if half full.  

 The engineer says the glass is larger than it needs to be.

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:41 am Post subject: bad news good news

I am sure the FAA will investigate.



More likely, somebody called it an ultralight, so the reporter called the

FAA about an "ultralight crash" and the FAA would naturally say, "we don't

investigate ultralight crashes."  When they learn that it was a

certificated aircraft they will look into it.



-Dana



 IDENTIFICATION

  Regis#: 457A        Make/Model: EXP       Description: KOLB MARK III

  Date: 01/30/2011     Time: 2000



  Event Type: Incident   Highest Injury: None     Mid Air: N    Missing: N

  Damage: Unknown



LOCATION

  City: RUTHERFORDTON   State: NC   Country: US



DESCRIPTION

  AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, RUTHERFORDTON, NC

_________________
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:09 am Post subject: bad news good news

Glad the man is okay. 



What kind of motor did he have in there.



Too many Kolb crushes in the past few years. Has anyone tried to compile Kolbs V/s say a Challenger in terms of accident stats?

I think the Kolb is good stats wise just that we here keep track pretty well of anything Kolb related. But still I would be interested in the stats if anyone ever compiled them.



Ron (at) KFHU



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---- ktnc420 <ktony20(at)hotmail.com> wrote: 



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Bad news is there's one less Kolb out there. Good news is the pilot survived to fly again.

Ron M. owner of 57 Alpha Cafe at Rutherford Co. Airport (KFQD) crashed his Mark III yesterday. Plane is totaled but Ron escaped with a broken leg and serious cuts. Reports I've read say it's a miracle he survived.

I moved to the area recently and Ron and I had talked about flying together when the weather got better and he could take the time. Oh well. 



KT 

Mark III, NC



http://www.57alpha.com/





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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:13 am Post subject: bad news good news

Good point!

Well, the first thing I would say to any Samaritan if I can say anything is  " my *ultralight* lost power even if a frigging wing came off". The last thing I want is some guy from a FSDO adding to my misery, which they will.





---- ktnc420 <ktony20(at)hotmail.com> wrote: 



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I don't know any details for sure. I'll try to report when I see him again.



The FAA was called but said since it was a "light-weight"??? aircraft, they would not investigate. I should be so lucky if something like this happened to me.



KT



Mark III, NC





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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:51 am Post subject: bad news good news

> IDENTIFICATION

 	  Quote: 	
		   Regis#: 457A Make/Model: EXP Description: KOLB MARK III


	


Ron,

 

  I was curious what particular model the MkIII was (for no particular

reason other than I was just curious).

 

  According to the FAA registration records, the MFR year (manufacture

date) is listed as '1991'.  I guess this may be the year the kit was sold and 

this would evidently make it a "Classic", I suppose.



The engine was listed as a Rotax 912S.



  It appears the owner has had it flying for about 3 years, since the 

registration was issued in early 2008.

  

 Here's the MkIII's FAA registration info;

  

 http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=457A



   

  Too bad the plane was total loss.  Best regards for Don, hoping for a speedy

recovery.

 

Mike Welch

 

 

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: bad news good news

According to the FAA registration records, the MFR year (manufacture

date) is listed as '1991'.  I guess this may be the year the kit was sold 

and

this would evidently make it a "Classic", I suppose.

Mike Welch

Mike W/Folks:



Prior to acquisition of Kolb Aircraft by Bruce Chesnut and Bryan Blackwood, 

there was no MKIII Classic.  It was simply a MKIII.



When TNK (The New Kolb Aircraft Company) redesigned the MKIII and designated 

it the MKIII Xtra, the MKIII began to be referred to as the MKIII Classic.



My MKIII is a MKIII because if was built and flown long before the MKIIIx 

came into existence.  It is not a MKIIIc.



john h

mkIII

Titus, Alabama

_________________
John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

wrk2win4u(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: bad news good news

http://www.thedigitalcourier.com/#top_stories_anchor

 

   From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Re: bad news good news

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:35:02 -0800



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		   Regis#: 457A Make/Model: EXP Description: KOLB MARK III


	


Ron,

 

  I was curious what particular model the MkIII was (for no particular

reason other than I was just curious).

 

  According to the FAA registration records, the MFR year (manufacture

date) is listed as '1991'.  I guess this may be the year the kit was sold and 

this would evidently make it a "Classic", I suppose.



The engine was listed as a Rotax 912S.



  It appears the owner has had it flying for about 3 years, since the 

registration was issued in early 2008.

 

Here's the MkIII's FAA registration info;

 

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=457A



  

  Too bad the plane was total loss.  Best regards for Don, hoping for a speedy

recovery.

 

Mike Welch

 

 

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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:37 pm Post subject: bad news good news

We can see the pic but can't get to the story...



The cage front looks quite crumpled.  Must have been a nose down impact.  More info would be interesting.

BB

do not archive 



On 1, Feb 2011, at 6:59 PM, K I wrote:

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From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com (mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com)

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: RE: Re: bad news good news

Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:35:02 -0800



 	  Quote: 	
		   IDENTIFICATION

 Regis#: 457A Make/Model: EXP Description: KOLB MARK III


	


Ron,

 

  I was curious what particular model the MkIII was (for no particular

reason other than I was just curious).

 

  According to the FAA registration records, the MFR year (manufacture

date) is listed as '1991'.  I guess this may be the year the kit was sold and 

this would evidently make it a "Classic", I suppose.



The engine was listed as a Rotax 912S.



  It appears the owner has had it flying for about 3 years, since the 

registration was issued in early 2008.

 

Here's the MkIII's FAA registration info;

 

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=457A



  

  Too bad the plane was total loss.  Best regards for Don, hoping for a speedy

recovery.

 

Mike Welch

 

 

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Rick Lewis

Joined: 03 Jul 2007
Posts: 122
Location: Kingston, Tn.

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: bad news good news

The more MKIII x built without detailed plans the more likely that accidents may happen.  I get all the help I think I need by calling the factory and talking to Brian.  Hopefully I ask the right questions to make my plane safe to fly but I have to admit that at times I'm building scared.  This is not my first plane I have built.  My first aircraft was totally plans built, every piece built from raw material.  This 3 passenger, 180 MPH airplanes plans were very detailed and I had no problem building it and did so with complete confidence.  Even though the Kolb is simple to build it still needs to be done correctly and properly rigged.  I've been told  I will get a good set of plans when they come out.  I wounder how much longer I should wait before covering the wings............

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(VW Watercooled Engine)

rickofudall

Joined: 19 Sep 2009
Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:28 pm Post subject: bad news good news

Mike, A lot of surmises, but the aircraft was probably flying as a fat ultralight, then brought into the system under the provisions of FAR 21.191i(1). That would explain the category "registered prior to 1/31/2008" in the Airworthiness block as that was the expiration date of that provision. 



Rick Girard



On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:59 PM, K I <wrk2win4u(at)msn.com (wrk2win4u(at)msn.com)> wrote:

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   From: mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com (mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com)

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: RE: Re: bad news good news

 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:35:02 -0800



   > IDENTIFICATION

 	  Quote: 	
		   Regis#: 457A Make/Model: EXP Description: KOLB MARK III


	


Ron,

 

  I was curious what particular model the MkIII was (for no particular

reason other than I was just curious).

  

  According to the FAA registration records, the MFR year (manufacture

date) is listed as '1991'.  I guess this may be the year the kit was sold and 

this would evidently make it a "Classic", I suppose.

 

The engine was listed as a Rotax 912S.



  It appears the owner has had it flying for about 3 years, since the 

registration was issued in early 2008.

 

Here's the MkIII's FAA registration info;

  

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=457A



  

  Too bad the plane was total loss.  Best regards for Don, hoping for a speedy

 recovery.

 

Mike Welch

 

 

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Zulu Delta

Mk IIIC

Thanks, Homer GBYM

It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.

   - Groucho Marx



 

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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject: bad news good news

>but the aircraft was probably flying as a fat ultralight, 

 >Rick Girard

  

 Rick,

  

   You may be right.  Thanks for the clarification.

  

 Mike W

 MKIII not C

  

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kuffel(at)cyberport.net
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Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:46 pm Post subject: bad news good news

<< The last thing I want is some guy from a FSDO adding to my misery, which 

they will.  >>



Not always.  After I went mountain logging with my Prospector I got a call 

from my FSDO while still in ICU.  While really drugged up I told him what I 

still say:  I let myself get distracted and ignored the many warning signs 

of carburetor icing until it was too late.  Totally my fault.



He said:  I think the proper action in this case is counseling and we just 

did that.



Never heard from them again.  Couldn't ask for better treatment given my 

stupidity.



Tom Kuffel

captainron1(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:04 am Post subject: bad news good news

If it was not the motor, I wonder if he wants to sell it and what price would he want for it. Seeing that the fellow is okay sans some none life threatening injuries. 

Ron (at) KFHU



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---- Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> wrote: 



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 	  Quote: 	
		   IDENTIFICATION

 Regis#: 457A Make/Model: EXP Description: KOLB MARK III


	


Ron,

 

  I was curious what particular model the MkIII was (for no particular

reason other than I was just curious).

 

  According to the FAA registration records, the MFR year (manufacture

date) is listed as '1991'.  I guess this may be the year the kit was sold and 

this would evidently make it a "Classic", I suppose.



The engine was listed as a Rotax 912S.



  It appears the owner has had it flying for about 3 years, since the 

registration was issued in early 2008.

 

Here's the MkIII's FAA registration info;

 

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=457A



  

  Too bad the plane was total loss.  Best regards for Don, hoping for a speedy

recovery.

 

Mike Welch

 

 



 		 	   		  

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kugelair.com

neilsenrm(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:04 am Post subject: bad news good news

Rick

  

 Wow I'm more than a bit surprised. I got my kit from Kolb before New Kolb. The kit had large rolled blue prints for most of the plane and two 8 1/2 X 11 booklets. One booklet had text instructions but not real detailed. The second booklet had detailed drawings and modifications. Did you get that much? 

   

 At no time did I feel that the instructions weren't clear enough for me as a first time builder. What do others think? Are there others that have received New Kolb kits that are less than comfortable with the instructions?

   

 The Kolb MKIII & MKIIIX are very close I'm sure someone would share the older plans with you but I would talk to Travis and /or Brian first. I can't believe they would leave you hanging if they knew.

   

 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC

   

 On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Rick Lewis <cktman(at)hughes.net (cktman(at)hughes.net)> wrote:

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The more MKIII x built without detailed plans the more likely that accidents may happen.  I get all the help I think I need by calling the factory and talking to Brian.  Hopefully I ask the right questions to make my plane safe to fly but I have to admit that at times I'm building scared.  This is not my first plane I have built.  My first aircraft was totally plans built, every piece built from raw material.  This 3 passenger, 180 MPH airplanes plans were very detailed and I had no problem building it and did so with complete confidence.  Even though the Kolb is simple to build it still needs to be done correctly and properly rigged.  I've been told  I will get a good set of plans when they come out.  I wounder how much longer I should wait to cover the wings............

 

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Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:06 am Post subject: bad news good news

Thanks



I was almost expecting to hear that it was a 582. I don't think we should discount a motor malfunction as it could be fuel starvation etc.. Now its even more curious as to what happened.



Ron (at) KFHU



=======================



---- Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> wrote: 



=============



 	  Quote: 	
		   IDENTIFICATION

 Regis#: 457A Make/Model: EXP Description: KOLB MARK III


	


Ron,

 

  I was curious what particular model the MkIII was (for no particular

reason other than I was just curious).

 

  According to the FAA registration records, the MFR year (manufacture

date) is listed as '1991'.  I guess this may be the year the kit was sold and 

this would evidently make it a "Classic", I suppose.



The engine was listed as a Rotax 912S.



  It appears the owner has had it flying for about 3 years, since the 

registration was issued in early 2008.

 

Here's the MkIII's FAA registration info;

 

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=457A



  

  Too bad the plane was total loss.  Best regards for Don, hoping for a speedy

recovery.

 

Mike Welch

 

 



 		 	   		  

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ktnc420

Joined: 31 Jan 2011
Posts: 7

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: bad news good news

Update:



Well ol' Ron really balled that thing up. I saw the wreckage yesterday and it is truly amazing he lived through the crash. I only know a Mark III from an extra by the nose and there's no way I could tell by what I saw.

He's in worse shape than I had heard. Both legs, pelvis, 7 ribs and some vertebrae. No health insurance either. Friends are asking for donations.

It was not mechanical but pilot error. He had 300 hrs. in the plane but got behind it and it was a stall-spin, almost a snap, and it just dropped from about 75'.  

FAA did investigate. Over and done.

The 912 ULS is undamaged I've been told. My Mark III with it's maligned 582 is my first plane and I wasn't really planning to upgrade but I may put a bid in on the 912.



My thoughts and prayers are with Ron and his family.



KT



MarkIII   NC

John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:51 pm Post subject: bad news good news

It was not mechanical but pilot error. He had 300 hrs. in the plane but got 

behind it and it was a stall-spin, almost a snap, and it just dropped from 

about 75'.

 My thoughts and prayers are with Ron and his family.



KT



My thoughts and prayers for Ron and his family also.



Very few Kolb crashes are caused by mechanical failure of the airframe.



Engines, components, pilots, and Murphy, seem to be a major contributing 

factor though.



john h

mkIII

titus, alabama

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MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

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