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richard_trickel(at)yahoo.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:39 am    Post subject: I`m back Reply with quote
Hey guys
Sorry I have been out of the circuit for a while. I got preety sick requiring some major surgury and am now recovering. I can only say that I am glad that the problem was here and not while I was in El Salvador. I have been stopping by work for the last few days and generally giving my advice. No real work yet but at least getting on the move.  The People here have been great leaving me with no worries.
There is so much email on the list I would never be able to catch it all.
Its is good to see everyone communicating. Hope to be back in the air soon myself.
Rich

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Keith.Miller(at)esa.int <Keith.Miller(at)esa.int> wrote:

Quote:

From: Keith.Miller(at)esa.int <Keith.Miller(at)esa.int>
Subject: Re: Are your rudder pedals safe?
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 8:49 AM

--> KIS-List message posted by: Keith.Miller(at)esa.int (Keith.Miller(at)esa.int)

Alfred ,
sorry to hear about the accident , what damage was done to the KIS ? .f you
need any advise on repairing it , this forum is the best place to ask for
help

Going back to your particular KIS. Clearly some non- standard
modifications were made during the build , the Cessna steerable Nose gear
being one of them, which probably has not helped in this particular accident
, as the castoring nose gear would have straightened it self under power,
assuming one brake was not locked up .

The choice of a vernier or push pull throttle was a personal choice   made
by the builder , it was not specified in the build manual., and I suspect
not many of us have gone that route , as I can see little advantage of such a
throttle on a single engine and my inspector in the UK would not have
agreed to one , after he had a similar experience flying one fitted to a
Kitfox.

For my KIS , I did not like the offset pedals  from the first moment I
mounted them and sat in the plane, it clearly felt wrong so they were
modified quite easily by cutting and welding the pilots left Pedal and
Co-pilots right pedal  exactly in the opposite direction , this eliminates
the off set feeling completely Plus as OC mentions adding aluminium
plates to the pedals to make them easier to find and operate

I do not remember the builder of your KIS participating to this forum ,
which is a pity since most of this was discussed over the years ,

Keith

         
From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com (bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com)>    
         
To:  kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)      
       
Date: 01/03/2011 16:06      
         
Subject: Are your rudder pedals safe?      
         
Sent by: owner-kis-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kis-list-server(at)matronics.com)    
         

--> KIS-List message posted by: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com (bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com)>

Fellow KIS owners,

Now that the formalities have been dealt with, I can share with you that I
had the misfortune to be involved in a hapless accident on the ground last
week. I would like to share my experience with other KIS TR-1 owners; perhaps
it can help prevent a similar incident.

A copy of section 16 of the aircraft accident reporting form below conveys
the essential information.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

16  YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE CAUSE
My right foot slipped off the starboard rudder pedal at crucial moment whilst
straightening out the steering nose wheel upon commencing the second
stage/leg of a taxiing manoeuvre intended to take me away from the
disembarkation area. Despite a tightly strapped full harness, the unexpected
forward lurch of right hip and shoulder resulted in an inadvertent knock-on
to the throttle, increasing the engine rpm setting substantially beyond my
self-imposed limit for taxiing on tarmac. To fill up the mug of misfortune,
the uppers of my shoe heel caught on the rear edge of the starboard pedal or
brake hinge upon pull-back, effectively locking in a turn to port side whilst
also rendering me incapable of braking and/or steering effectively. Three
seconds later, with foot still stuck, it was all over with two aircraft
substantially damaged and probably destinied to be written off.

Safety factors: (specifically relevant to other KIS TR-1 owners)
1)  Rudder pedals should be aligned squarely with pilot’s hips,
not offset at an angle inboard. The vertical angle of rudder and brake pedal
should allow full surface contact with pilot’s foot at all times and pedal
surfaces should have high friction coefficient.

2) The release mechanism on a vernier throttle should be operated
by pulling action on a bell shaped slider or finger hook at the rear of the
throttle knob (as on automatic gear shift levers of many vehicles) so as to
automatically enable reduction in power when pilot pulls on the throttle
control mechanism from the rear. Activating the release mechanism by
depressing a knob from the front allows for inadvertent escalation in power
by knock-on at front of the throttle control, whereas it does not facilitate
reduction in power when pilot tries to pull/tug it the throttle outwards in
an emergency situation.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The accident resulted in the destruction of two aircraft, mine and another
which was parked. Fortunately, I did adhere to my rule not to start up or
taxi when there are people moving around airside and by God’s grace I
escaped with nothing but a headache and a few scratches.

Please take the time to critically re-inspect your rudder pedal configuration
- I suspect many of you have the same smooth and rather skimpy pedals which
my aircraft is fitted with. If it is at all possible that your rudder pedals
could enable/allow the same accident to happen – do not postpone getting
proper pedals fitted. I did, and it cost me dearly.

Having insured the hull only for the amount I paid for it, it seems that it
will be more cost effective for the insurance company to scrap it. So it
seems that I may soon be looking for another KIS TR-1 to buy.

These things do happen in the blink of an eye, so please watch your step (on
the pedals and everywhere).

Kind regards,
  Alfred

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wschertz(at)comcast.net
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:55 am    Post subject: I`m back Reply with quote
Hey Rich, glad to hear that you’re recovering. Paul Lamar has been trying to get in contact with you, could you shoot him an email?


Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase one testing Completed

From: Richard Trickel (richard_trickel(at)yahoo.com)
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 6:32 AM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: I`m back


Hey guys
Sorry I have been out of the circuit for a while. I got preety sick requiring some major surgury and am now recovering. I can only say that I am glad that the problem was here and not while I was in El Salvador. I have been stopping by work for the last few days and generally giving my advice. No real work yet but at least getting on the move. The People here have been great leaving me with no worries.
There is so much email on the list I would never be able to catch it all.
Its is good to see everyone communicating. Hope to be back in the air soon myself.
Rich

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Keith.Miller(at)esa.int <Keith.Miller(at)esa.int> wrote:

Quote:

From: Keith.Miller(at)esa.int <Keith.Miller(at)esa.int>
Subject: Re: Are your rudder pedals safe?
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 8:49 AM

--> KIS-List message posted by: Keith.Miller(at)esa.int (Keith.Miller(at)esa.int)

Alfred ,
sorry to hear about the accident , what damage was done to the KIS ? .f you
need any advise on repairing it , this forum is the best place to ask for
help

Going back to your particular KIS. Clearly some non- standard
modifications were made during the build , the Cessna steerable Nose gear
being one of them, which probably has not helped in this particular accident
, as the castoring nose gear would have straightened it self under power,
assuming one brake was not locked up .

The choice of a vernier or push pull throttle was a personal choice made
by the builder , it was not specified in the build manual., and I suspect
not many of us have gone that route , as I can see little advantage of such a
throttle on a single engine and my inspector in the UK would not have
agreed to one , after he had a similar experience flying one fitted to a
Kitfox.

For my KIS , I did not like the offset pedals from the first moment I
mounted them and sat in the plane, it clearly felt wrong so they were
modified quite easily by cutting and welding the pilots left Pedal and
Co-pilots right pedal exactly in the opposite direction , this eliminates
the off set feeling completely Plus as OC mentions adding aluminium
plates to the pedals to make them easier to find and operate

I do not remember the builder of your KIS participating to this forum ,
which is a pity since most of this was discussed over the years ,

Keith

                   
From: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com (bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com)>          
                 
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)             
                 
Date: 01/03/2011 16:06                
                 
Subject: Are your rudder pedals safe?            
                 
Sent by: owner-kis-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kis-list-server(at)matronics.com)              
                 

--> KIS-List message posted by: "BlueSkyFlier" <bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com (bleuskyfly(at)teledynamix.com)>

Fellow KIS owners,

Now that the formalities have been dealt with, I can share with you that I
had the misfortune to be involved in a hapless accident on the ground last
week. I would like to share my experience with other KIS TR-1 owners; perhaps
it can help prevent a similar incident.

A copy of section 16 of the aircraft accident reporting form below conveys
the essential information.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

16 YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE CAUSE
My right foot slipped off the starboard rudder pedal at crucial moment whilst
straightening out the steering nose wheel upon commencing the second
stage/leg of a taxiing manoeuvre intended to take me away from the
disembarkation area. Despite a tightly strapped full harness, the unexpected
forward lurch of right hip and shoulder resulted in an inadvertent knock-on
to the throttle, increasing the engine rpm setting substantially beyond my
self-imposed limit for taxiing on tarmac. To fill up the mug of misfortune,
the uppers of my shoe heel caught on the rear edge of the starboard pedal or
brake hinge upon pull-back, effectively locking in a turn to port side whilst
also rendering me incapable of braking and/or steering effectively. Three
seconds later, with foot still stuck, it was all over with two aircraft
substantially damaged and probably destinied to be written off.

Safety factors: (specifically relevant to other KIS TR-1 owners)
1) Rudder pedals should be aligned squarely with pilot’s hips,
not offset at an angle inboard. The vertical angle of rudder and brake pedal
should allow full surface contact with pilot’s foot at all times and pedal
surfaces should have high friction coefficient.

2)   The release mechanism on a vernier throttle should be operated
by pulling action on a bell shaped slider or finger hook at the rear of the
throttle knob (as on automatic gear shift levers of many vehicles) so as to
automatically enable reduction in power when pilot pulls on the throttle
control mechanism from the rear. Activating the release mechanism by
depressing a knob from the front allows for inadvertent escalation in power
by knock-on at front of the throttle control, whereas it does not facilitate
reduction in power when pilot tries to pull/tug it the throttle outwards in
an emergency situation.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The accident resulted in the destruction of two aircraft, mine and another
which was parked. Fortunately, I did adhere to my rule not to start up or
taxi when there are people moving around airside and by God’s grace I
escaped with nothing but a headache and a few scratches.

Please take the time to critically re-inspect your rudder pedal configuration
- I suspect many of you have the same smooth and rather skimpy pedals which
my aircraft is fitted with. If it is at all possible that your rudder pedals
could enable/allow the same accident to happen – do not postpone getting
proper pedals fitted. I did, and it cost me dearly.

Having insured the hull only for the amount I paid for it, it seems that it
will be more cost effective for the insurance company to scrap it. So it
seems that I may soon be looking for another KIS TR-1 to buy.

These things do happen in the blink of an eye, so please watch your step (on
the pedals and everywhere).

Kind regards,
  Alfred

--------
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:00 pm    Post subject: I`m back Reply with quote
Glad to hear that Rich. Keep us posted.

Tim
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:43 pm    Post subject: I`m back Reply with quote
Hi Rich, Sorry to hear you had a problem, but glad to hear you are recovering. I will pass the word on to Bill Grote and others at EAA Chapter 723. People ask me all the time what I have heard from or about you. Keep healing. Larry
---- Richard Trickel <richard_trickel(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hey guys
Sorry I have been out of the circuit for a while.  I got preety sick requiring some major surgury and am now recovering.  I can only say that I am glad that the problem was here and not while I was in El Salvador.  I have been stopping by work for the last few days and generally giving my advice.  No real work yet but at least getting on the move.  The People here have been great leaving me with no worries.
There is so much email on the list I would never be able to catch it all.
Its is good to see everyone communicating.  Hope to be back in the air soon myself.
Rich

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Keith.Miller(at)esa.int <Keith.Miller(at)esa.int> wrote:


From: Keith.Miller(at)esa.int <Keith.Miller(at)esa.int>
Subject: Re: Are your rudder pedals safe?
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 8:49 AM




Alfred ,
sorry to hear about the accident , what damage was done to the KIS ? .f you
need any advise on repairing it  ,  this forum is the best place to ask  for
help

Going back to your  particular KIS. Clearly   some non- standard
modifications  were made during the build ,  the Cessna steerable Nose gear
being one of them, which probably has not helped  in this particular accident
, as the castoring nose gear would have straightened it self  under power,
assuming  one brake was not locked up  .

The choice of a vernier  or  push pull throttle was a personal choice   made
by the builder , it was not specified in the  build manual., and I suspect
not many of us have gone that route , as I can see little advantage of such a
throttle on a single  engine  and   my inspector in the UK would not have
agreed to one , after  he had a similar experience  flying one fitted to a
Kitfox.

For my KIS  , I did not like the  offset pedals  from the first moment I
mounted them and sat in the plane, it clearly felt wrong  so they were
modified quite easily  by  cutting and welding  the pilots left Pedal and
Co-pilots right pedal  exactly in the opposite direction , this  eliminates
the off set  feeling completely Plus as OC  mentions  adding aluminium
plates to the pedals to make them easier to find and operate

I do not remember  the builder of your KIS  participating to this forum ,
which is a pity since most of this was discussed over the years ,

Keith



                                                                                                                                               
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  To:         kis-list(at)matronics.com                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                               
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  Subject:    Are your rudder pedals safe?                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                               
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Fellow KIS owners,

Now that the formalities have been dealt with, I can share with you that I
had the misfortune to be involved in a hapless accident on the ground last
week. I would like to share my experience with other KIS TR-1 owners; perhaps
it can help prevent a similar incident.

A copy of section 16 of the aircraft accident reporting form below conveys
the essential information.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

16           YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE CAUSE
My right foot slipped off the starboard rudder pedal at crucial moment whilst
straightening out the steering nose wheel upon commencing the second
stage/leg of a taxiing manoeuvre intended to take me away from the
disembarkation area. Despite a tightly strapped full harness, the unexpected
forward lurch of right hip and shoulder resulted in an inadvertent knock-on
to the throttle, increasing the engine rpm setting substantially beyond my
self-imposed limit for taxiing on tarmac. To fill up the mug of misfortune,
the uppers of my shoe heel caught on the rear edge of the starboard pedal or
brake hinge upon pull-back, effectively locking in a turn to port side whilst
also rendering me incapable of braking and/or steering effectively. Three
seconds later, with foot still stuck, it was all over with two aircraft
substantially damaged and probably destinied to be written off.

Safety factors: (specifically relevant to other KIS TR-1 owners)
1)           Rudder pedals should be aligned squarely with pilot’s hips,
not offset at an angle inboard. The vertical angle of rudder and brake pedal
should allow full surface contact with pilot’s foot at all times and pedal
surfaces should have high friction coefficient.

2)           The release mechanism on a vernier throttle should be operated
by pulling action on a bell shaped slider or finger hook at the rear of the
throttle knob (as on automatic gear shift levers of many vehicles) so as to
automatically enable reduction in power when pilot pulls on the throttle
control mechanism from the rear. Activating the release mechanism by
depressing a knob from the front allows for inadvertent escalation in power
by knock-on at front of the throttle control, whereas it does not facilitate
reduction in power when pilot tries to pull/tug it the throttle outwards in
an emergency situation.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The accident resulted in the destruction of two aircraft, mine and another
which was parked.  Fortunately, I did adhere to my rule not to start up or
taxi when there are people moving around airside and by God’s grace I
escaped with nothing but a headache and a few scratches.

Please take the time to critically re-inspect your rudder pedal configuration
- I suspect many of you have the same smooth and rather skimpy pedals which
my aircraft is fitted with. If it is at all possible that your rudder pedals
could enable/allow the same accident to happen – do not postpone getting
proper pedals fitted. I did, and it cost me dearly.

Having insured the hull only for the amount I paid for it, it seems that it
will be more cost effective for the insurance company to scrap it. So it
seems that I may soon be looking for another KIS TR-1 to buy.

These things do happen in the blink of an eye, so please watch your step (on
the pedals and everywhere).

Kind regards,
                   Alfred

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