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 Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:07 pm Post subject: Competitive Products |
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Sigh!
I'm pretty laid back when it comes to competitive products. I think
ultimately the marketplace comes to the truth by itself with no help
needed from pundits. If a product really does not work or has fit
problems or teething issues, you will hear about it. A LOT! (Most
aircraft owners are not shy about sharing their personal
dissatisfaction). I also pretty much discount second hand data. Unless
you were there, I don't want to hear the story second hand. So, for my
part I am very happy at the way our customers applaud our products and
about the feedback we get.
Now as to Gary's cowl, I really like it. Make no mistake, I think he's
done very nice work. He spent a over a decade with this design. I mean,
think about giving TEN years of your life to a project. It takes
passion and dedication. But our cowl products are very different. Roy
LoPresti was the genius behind the Tiger and Cheetah to begin with.
When he went back to improve it, he was very sensitive to what could be
done with the maximum result keeping an eye on cost and engine life. He
designed a full cowl vey similar to Gary's and in fact the Mooney cowl
we sell has all those features. However, Roy decided to take the 80/20
rule to heart and get 80% of the bang for less complexity time and
money. Thus the nose bowl he designed was a 80% solution. Personally, I
like the solution but I must admit I went back to his complete design
with an eye on bringing it to market a few years ago. Gary was finally
completing his and I decided it was a nice way to offer the customer
two options. We usually sell our nosebowl ten sets at a time so I think
that means we're doing our part.
This is a very small industry and we Grumman guys are an even smaller
part of that. In fact, there are only a few hundred really active
Grumman drivers and we can ill afford to lose any of them. This goes
double for parts suppliers and product developers. It's far better to
keep your competition healthy because when you only have only one
choice in any market, it means you have no choice and that is always a
death signal for a market. So, I support Gary (even if he does not like
our products) because competition adjusts prices, improves design and
keeps the market healthy.
Cheers!
Rj Siegel CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:35 pm Post subject: Competitive Products |
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Thanks for chiming in RJ. There is a big difference between approaches to the cowling issue.
Your's is almost plug and play. Mine, well mine requires a serious investment in time (i.e., commitment) since it's a compete system. I wish it could be more of a one size fits all and just installs by removing the old and installing the new.
Like my eyebrow. I wish it were as easy as removing the old one and installing the new one. When I quote 5-8 hours installation time, it just doesn't make sense to most of people.
Once installed, however, maintenance and serviceability are greatly improved over the OEM equipment; like removing the cowling in 10 minutes.
Now, for the 180 hp fuel injected IO360.
Gary
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On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:05 PM, arjays(at)AOL.COM wrote:
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Sigh!
I'm pretty laid back when it comes to competitive products. I think ultimately the marketplace comes to the truth by itself with no help needed from pundits. If a product really does not work or has fit problems or teething issues, you will hear about it. A LOT! (Most aircraft owners are not shy about sharing their personal dissatisfaction). I also pretty much discount second hand data. Unless you were there, I don't want to hear the story second hand. So, for my part I am very happy at the way our customers applaud our products and about the feedback we get.
Now as to Gary's cowl, I really like it. Make no mistake, I think he's done very nice work. He spent a over a decade with this design. I mean, think about giving TEN years of your life to a project. It takes passion and dedication. But our cowl products are very different. Roy LoPresti was the genius behind the Tiger and Cheetah to begin with. When he went back to improve it, he was very sensitive to what could be done with the maximum result keeping an eye on cost and engine life. He designed a full cowl vey similar to Gary's and in fact the Mooney cowl we sell has all those features. However, Roy decided to take the 80/20 rule to heart and get 80% of the bang for less complexity time and money. Thus the nose bowl he designed was a 80% solution. Personally, I like the solution but I must admit I went back to his complete design with an eye on bringing it to market a few years ago. Gary was finally completing his and I decided it was a nice way to offer the customer two options. We usually sell our nosebowl ten sets at a time so I think that means we're doing our part.
This is a very small industry and we Grumman guys are an even smaller part of that. In fact, there are only a few hundred really active Grumman drivers and we can ill afford to lose any of them. This goes double for parts suppliers and product developers. It's far better to keep your competition healthy because when you only have only one choice in any market, it means you have no choice and that is always a death signal for a market. So, I support Gary (even if he does not like our products) because competition adjusts prices, improves design and keeps the market healthy.
Cheers!
Rj Siegel CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
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aa5_driver(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:57 am Post subject: Competitive Products |
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Arjay.
I guess I. Don't understand how you can say that your products are so great and the customers are all so happy with the product and services.
Further, you state that you can ill afford to lose any of them, but your company and David lopresti specifically will not return a phone calls or emails as he said he would after being notified of a manufacturing problem.
In fact this problem has been brought up before and all that lopresti does is try to turn it into a profit opportunity instead of doing the right thing (fixing the problem for those affected) and actually producing the "high quality" parts they continually market with much hype and hooplah.
If you cannot tell yet, I'm not happy with lopresti's attitude, customer service, and lack of responsiveness to problems with their overpriced products. When I ask others about the problem I have been told that I should contact lopresti, well I have and have been treated poorly. I don't think Roy would be too happy with the so called customer service lopresti offers today.
Kevin
arjays(at)AOL.COM wrote:
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Sigh!
I'm pretty laid back when it comes to competitive products. I think
ultimately the marketplace comes to the truth by itself with no help
needed from pundits. If a product really does not work or has fit
problems or teething issues, you will hear about it. A LOT! (Most
aircraft owners are not shy about sharing their personal
dissatisfaction). I also pretty much discount second hand data. Unless
you were there, I don't want to hear the story second hand. So, for my
part I am very happy at the way our customers applaud our products and
about the feedback we get.
Now as to Gary's cowl, I really like it. Make no mistake, I think he's
done very nice work. He spent a over a decade with this design. I mean,
think about giving TEN years of your life to a project. It takes
passion and dedication. But our cowl products are very different. Roy
LoPresti was the genius behind the Tiger and Cheetah to begin with.
When he went back to improve it, he was very sensitive to what could be
done with the maximum result keeping an eye on cost and engine life. He
designed a full cowl vey similar to Gary's and in fact the Mooney cowl
we sell has all those features. However, Roy decided to take the 80/20
rule to heart and get 80% of the bang for less complexity time and
money. Thus the nose bowl he designed was a 80% solution. Personally, I
like the solution but I must admit I went back to his complete design
with an eye on bringing it to market a few years ago. Gary was finally
completing his and I decided it was a nice way to offer the customer
two options. We usually sell our nosebowl ten sets at a time so I think
that means we're doing our part.
This is a very small industry and we Grumman guys are an even smaller
part of that. In fact, there are only a few hundred really active
Grumman drivers and we can ill afford to lose any of them. This goes
double for parts suppliers and product developers. It's far better to
keep your competition healthy because when you only have only one
choice in any market, it means you have no choice and that is always a
death signal for a market. So, I support Gary (even if he does not like
our products) because competition adjusts prices, improves design and
keeps the market healthy.
Cheers!
Rj Siegel CEO/LoPresti Aviation Engineering
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:09 am Post subject: Competitive Products |
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Well Kevin
If you feel you have been treated very badly by our company, then i'm
the person to speak with. I will be happy to address any issues you
have, As for David not being responsive, his wife Ann has stage four
cancer and he spends the better part of every day caring for her.
Rj
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aa5_driver(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:42 am Post subject: Competitive Products |
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Well then, I'll forward you the info I. Spoke to David about when I get home.
I can appreciate. The time needed and the dedication to family. If only he had communicated the situation there could have been some understanding. Being ignored for whatever reason isn't helpful for anyone. Certainly, I wish David ane his wife the best. Stage 4 is very serious. I'm. Familliar with all it entails.
Will be in touch about the landing light cover issues soon.
I appreciate the reply.
Kevin
arjays(at)AOL.COM wrote:
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Well Kevin
If you feel you have been treated very badly by our company, then i'm
the person to speak with. I will be happy to address any issues you
have, As for David not being responsive, his wife Ann has stage four
cancer and he spends the better part of every day caring for her.
Rj
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aa5_driver(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:46 am Post subject: Competitive Products |
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I guess I also need a phone number to contact you by phone.
Kevin
arjays(at)AOL.COM wrote:
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Well Kevin
If you feel you have been treated very badly by our company, then i'm
the person to speak with. I will be happy to address any issues you
have, As for David not being responsive, his wife Ann has stage four
cancer and he spends the better part of every day caring for her.
Rj
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ArjayS(at)AOL.COM
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| Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:15 am Post subject: Competitive Products |
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Hi Kevin
My cell is 414-793-6676 but it would be better to set a day and time
Cheers!
Rj [quote][b]
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