Re: B+C alternator problem


Subject:    Re: B+C alternator problem
From:    jamesbaldwin@dc.rr.com
Date:    Wed Sep 03 - 11:24 PM
> Bob -
> >Here are more specifics for this installation:
> >
> >The wiring diagram provided by the builder (and it seems to be accurate) 
> >is the "Z-1, Simple system with Toggle Mag Sw and Linear Regulator."

  Okay, this drawing was 'retired' at Z-9 or so and replaced
  with Z-11. They are similar in many respects.

> >The battery is a Concorde RG 25XC.
> >The alternator is a B+C L40, s/n 010806.
> >The regulator/OV prot is a B+C LR-3, s/n 11920211.

   I don't recall how to read B&C's serial numbers
   with respect to manufacturing date. But it may
   well be that this one pre-dates the modifications
   added later to reduce probability of nuisance
   trips.
> >
> >The C/B from the alt output is only 40 amps!  I'm guessing it should be 
> >bigger based on your previous comments or I can use a current limiter you 
> >suggest but I'll need to know which one/where are they available.

   You can get the legacy current limiters and mounting
   bases from B&C. Alternatively, a MAXI fuse holder from
   the O'Rileys or some other parts store would do too.

http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Fuses/Fuse_Holders/MaxiFuse_Holder.jpg

http://aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Fuses/Fuses/maxi.gif

   They can supply the fuse too. Use a 60A. Tie the
   fuseholder onto the fat wire that feeds your starter
   contactor and tie b-lead power into the system at
   the starter contactor.

> >  The alternator field fuse that has blown several times I rechecked and 
> > is 15 amps.  Does the "nuisance trip" scenario you speak of manifest as 
> > blowing the 15 amp fuse?

   Yes. I dug back into the archives and found that
   Z-1 suggested the 15A fuse protected feeder from
   the fuseblock that was followed downstream by a
   5A breaker on the panel. Later drawings suggested
   a much more robust protection of the alternator field
   breaker feed in the form of a fusible link . . . see
   Z-11.

   For your purposes now, replace the 15A fuse with
   a 30A fuse. This will probably transfer the trip to
   the breaker instead of the fuse. It seems likely that
   the LR3 is seeing something that irritates it's ov
   protection sensing.

   The original design observed all the recommendations
   for noise immunity but when we started installing this
   system in the Bonanzas, one of the test pilots found that
   if he turned both landing and taxi lights on at the same
   time, he could trip the standby alternator ov system.

   The noises generated by this event were pretty spectacular.
   Inrush currents from two large lamps through the very bouncy
   contacts of W31 breaker-switches put some really ugly
   transients onto the bus. It was doubtful that anyone would
   DO that thing but it wasn't difficult to modify the
   circuit to ignore this stimulus. We modified the circuit
   and have experienced no difficulties (that I'm aware of)
   since.


> >What else would you like to know and what do you think?  Thank you.  JBB


   Call B&C at 316-283-8000 and see if they're interested
   in updating your LR-3 with respect to noise immunity.
   If push comes to shove, I can modify it for you but
   let's see what they say first.

        Bob . . .

Bob -
Talked to Bill at B+C this afternoon and he wasn't too convinced the LR-3B needed
much of an upgrade.  He says there is a LR-3C being built now and I get the
idea it has some transient type improvements built in.  His suggestion was to
monitor the low voltage light to see under which conditions it comes on.  I don't
think I can get it to trip when I want.  I am suspecting it might not be
a consistent cause i.e. the dreaded intermittent type of thing.  But, I now know
enough about the location of components in my particular system to troubleshoot
if I knew where to start.  The only thing I have done is put a 20 amp fuse
in the field location.  I haven't flown it yet this way.  JBB   




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