RE: BatteryMinder and "boil-over"


Subject:    RE: BatteryMinder and "boil-over"
From:    Robert L. Nuckolls, III (nuckolls.bob@cox.net)
Date:    Thu Oct 09 - 4:12 AM
At 09:26 PM 10/8/2008 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Hi Bob,
>
>No, it is not an RG battery - just a standard lead-acid battery. Looking at
>the Concorde website, I think it is a CB-35A.  It is my understanding that
>the BatteryMinder is ok for this type of battery.  Is that not true??
>
>Ok, will test it further.
>
>Thanks for the input!
>
>Jon

   There's a lot of floobydust being thrown in the
   air about suitability-to-task for the various
   offerings in "smart chargers". Each manufacturer
   has to figure out a way to make their product more
   attractive to the consumer than their competition.
   But it's beginning to be like laundry soap . . .
   there's only so much you can do to make it "new
   and improved" before practical benefits become
   obscured by marketing hype.

   The modus operandi for the vast majority of batteries
   in mobile dc power supplies is such that they NEVER
   see a plug-in-the-wall charger over the lifetime
   of the battery. Consumers run'em 'til they drop and
   put in new one. The benchmark for goodness is measured
   in months of service . . . under as-installed operating
   conditions.

   Potions and notions for improved battery service life
   have been around for decades. I recall ads in magazines
   from when I was a kid touting magic juice or tablets that
   one could put into a battery that would "rejuvenate
   your ailing battery." The sundry notions for de-sulfating
   an ageing battery by electrically hammering the oversized
   crystals is another idea that has yet to emerge as a
   "good thing to do" everywhere, all the time. One of the
   things that consumers seldom considered was the value
   of technological competition amongst battery makers and
   alternator/regulator makers. If any after market enhancement
   has a real return on investment, then the folks who make
   millions of them every year have a greater interest
   in the idea than the guy selling battery potions out
   of the trunk of his car. I.e, if this is such a
   good thing to do, why isn't it already being done?

   Getting back to the Battery Tender as suited to task
   on the flooded battery, ALL lead-acid batteries have
   one thing in common . . . self discharge in storage.
   I'm told that a strong forcing factor is the amount
   of dissolved oxygen in the electrolyte. Sealed batteries
   have very little, flooded batteries have a lot but
   BOTH batteries will eventually run down just sitting.

   The real goal of a battery maintenance charger is to
   support the battery at some voltage just above its
   open circuit potential at rest. This is a voltage
   too low to overcharge the battery . . . but sufficient
   to have self discharge currents be totally picked up
   by the external energy supply. Once the battery
   maintenance device senses that the battery is "topped
   off" . . . it needs to shift gears from a CHARGER
   to MAINTAINER like:

http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/schumacher_3.jpg

http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Curves/schumacher_5.jpg

   Now, one can slice and dice the charge modes into
   finely tuned recipes for success depending on laboratory
   studies of optimum performance for each battery
   technology . . . AGM, gel and flooded. But if one
   compares the way batteries are charged in-situ in
   millions of vehicles . . . NONE are treated anything
   like the optimized recipe for success. Yet millions
   of consumers perceive satisfactory service-life for
   their purchase. I.e, I've been stuffing new batteries
   into vehicles for 50 years and have returned very
   few devices for warranty replacement. The rest performed
   well enough to avoid any notions of "Gee, that last
   battery was a piece of crap . . . not going to buy
   THAT brand again."

   I have observed battery performance in the wild
   and in aircraft systems for decades. I have concluded
   that customers who perceived poor return on investment
   for their battery purchase WOULD NOT have found relief
   by plugged the thing in the wall every night and punching
   the "right" button for AGM, gel or flooded technology.

   If you have a battery that demonstrates loss of water
   while "plugged in", it is likely that the maintenance
   voltage is too high. This would be true of any lead-acid
   battery technology.

   Bob . . .




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