Re: Re Hand Grenade


Subject:    Re: Re Hand Grenade
From:    Kayberg@aol.com
Date:    Wed Sep 03 - 6:25 AM
In a message dated 9/3/2008 8:18:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
malannx@bigpond.com writes:


A  great comment off another list: After an engine failure "land ahead to the 

hospital, turn back to the graveyard"
Turning back can be done by very  good pilots and the error margins are slim. 
It is a regular killer of  pilots. I don't consider it an option until I have 
attained circuit height  unless there is a cross strip strategically  placed.


I agree with the above with the exception of not turning back unless  circuit 
height or more.

I strongly suggest that pilots practice simulated turnbacks at altitude so  
they know what the bird will do.  A loaded Citabria, for example, can  make a 
turnback in 300-400 feet  IF the pilot knows how.   

I sometimes wonder if the platitudes offered by instructors can be an  excuse 
to not teach something.  Why not just teach students how to make the  
turnback in the best way?  Or pull the power a few times on takeoff and let  the

student discover his own reaction times?  ( I suggest doing this with a  lot of

runway ahead of you!!!)

I suspect about half of the turnback accidents happen because there was no  
training, only verbage.  Instincts to turnback at low altitude can only be  
overcome with practice.

In the case of instructors who always try to stay high, it is the lack of  
experience down low that can kill people.  Of course having altitude means  some

safety margin.   But a whole lot of pilots are not prepared for  low flying.  
 It is not the end of the world, cropdusters do it all  day.

What do others think the minimum turnback altitude is for a  Lightning?


Doug Koenigsberg


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