I hopoe I understand your question, you mean you do not believe that an
ELT, SAVE LIVES?????? If you think does not, is not... then no sense
on discussing this... every one has opinions and that is that..
JUst like in my family, I had tried for years to convince my sister
how wrong she is, based on facts, every one else sees that, but
she will never do...
You can never change the mind of people, once they are with such
believe etc... is a waste of time and energy, with no purpose.
robert
--- On Sun, 11/16/08, SteinAir, Inc. <stein@steinair.com> wrote:
> From: SteinAir, Inc. <stein@steinair.com>
> Subject: RE: Re: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 3:59 PM
> <stein@steinair.com>
>
> This is a question I have that is really a question...and
> I'm not trying to
> be fececious....I truly want to know:
>
> Does anyone know of (or ever heard of) any pilot who
> crashed and died whilst
> awaiting a rescue - someone who lived through the crash but
> died because
> rescuers didn't get there? What I mean is, does any of
> you know anyone who
> crashed, and then waited for CAP or whomever to find them?
> Typically I
> usually see two results from a crash. 1) Death. 2) Non
> Death - people live
> through the crash and crawl/walk/run away. Perhaps there
> are examples, I've
> just been trying for years to find any credible for first
> hand accounts of
> where an ELT did or even could have saved a life....
> I'm not interested in
> hearing hangar stories or "I heard of", but truly
> credible instances. They
> certainly must be there or we wouldn't have this whole
> ELT discussion to
> begin with. I'm just trying to find such examples.
>
> If you know, please share!
>
> Thanks,
> Stein
>
> do not archive
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> John Cox
> >Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 1:37 PM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: RE: Re: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A
> >
> >
> <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> >
> >My premise remains that after the first ineffective
> install, others
> >followed by copying, Kool-Aid was passed, really large
> numbers of
> >installs supported lack of viable research. The device
> is aboard, which
> >meets the letter of the law - Chapter Closed.
> Practical value - Zilch.
> >With 406 the discussion deserves to be opened to
> location within the
> >aircraft, purpose of the device, mounting technique,
> ground plane
> >effectiveness and strong signal propagation (on freq)
> from a good
> >distance from the aircraft fuselage regardless of
> location, orientation
> >or condition of the airframe.
> >
> >Bob can give this topic the light that needs to be shed
> on the issue.
> >
> >W7COX
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
> Of Scott
> >Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:11 AM
> >To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Re: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A
> >
> <acepilot@bloomer.net>
> >
> >Well, I don't have data to back me up, but as a
> fellow ham who dabbles
> >in the world above 50 MHz (actually, I have stuff for
> our microwave
> >bands) and can say that a fuselage would make a
> "decent" waveguide at
> >VHF and UHF. Waveguide is made to contain RF. I think
> putting antennas
> >
> >INSIDE of a metal container is just asking for it not
> to radiate to the
> >outside world when you need it most :) I've often
> wondered why some
> >folks get so bent over an external antenna that may
> cost them a knot or
> >two. For God's sake, you're going 160 knots in
> an RV, what's 158
> >knots? How fast does one need to go? Take it from me,
> my present ride
> >cruises at 65 knots or so...I'd be more than happy
> with 158 ;)
> >
> >Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >John Cox wrote:
> >
> Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> >>
> >>Bob, I am hoping that this thread actually expands
> and becomes a Big
> >>Deal, or at least bigger.
> >>
> >>I have felt for some time that the location, mount
> orientation, ground
> >>plane and attempt at concealing the antenna
> actually leads to an
> >>ineffective or nearly worthless electronic device.
> That premise was
> >>based on the 121.5 variant not the 406 however,
> because one build might
> >>have mounted it incorrectly, scores follow suit and
> then the masses
> >>drink the Kool-Aid. I have always concluded the
> function might not be
> >>important, only its presence for the DAR signoff.
> >>
> >>I have remained curious how many rescues rather
> than recoveries "after
> >>the fact" are attributed to a properly
> functioning signal and a
> >>responsible response by the parties that monitor
> the frequency (either
> >>121.5 or 406.
> >>
> >>As a ham (amateur) radio license holder this
> pursuit of concealing the
> >>antenna has always been fascinating. Do any of the
> readers have signal
> >>propagation graphs on signal strength radiating
> from inside the tin
> >can?
> >>
> >>John Cox
> >>Aurora, OR
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> >>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of bcollinsmn
> >>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 7:26 AM
> >>To: rv-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: ARTEX 406 ELT in a 7A
> >>
> "bcollinsmn" <bob@rvbuildershotline.com>
> >>
> >>Yeah, I think you can. According to the
> instructions, the mounting
> >>bracket will exchange properly with the existing
> setups. I'm just
> >>curious how people are installing. When you read
> the instructions, it
> >>sounds like they want it as far in the tail as
> possible with the
> >antenna
> >>having this 24" ground plane. But when
> I've seen various installations,
> >>it's tucked under the baggage compartment quite
> often with the whip
> >>antenna bent around the aft side of the rollbar.
> >>
> >>According to the instrx, whatever is used, the ELT
> and the antenna
> >>should be in the same "bay". Van's
> sells that combo ELT/Strobe power
> >>supply bracket (which I used for the strobe) that
> fits on the
> >stringers,
> >>but that will only fit directly behind the 706
> bulkhead.
> >>
> >>It's not big deal, I'm just interested in
> seeing various permutations
> >>before I dive in.
> >>
> >>--------
> >>Bob Collins
> >>St. Paul, Minn.
> >>RV-7A (#&^ fiberglass!)
> >>http://rvbuildershotline.com
> >>Day job:
> >>http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214539#214539
> >>
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> >
> >--
> >Scott
> >http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
> >Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
> >Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
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