Jan,
They already did that for the shape of bananas so why not for toilet paper??
Hans
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Jan Mevis
Verzonden: dinsdag 19 augustus 2008 8:52
Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: N Registered Yak aircraft
That's correct. Every Yak, Sukhoi or Nanchang pilot in Europe would be
thrilled having this freedom.
With the Russian register, we do have some possibilities in some countries
because the Russian inspectors are serious, decent guys who are also very
practical and don't make fuzz about silly details. But I 'm quite afraid
that it won't last for a long time anymore. Europe is becoming a hughe
bureaucratic burden. One day they 'll even make rules about the colour of
toilet paper.
Jan
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp MD
Sent: dinsdag 19 augustus 2008 5:07
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: N Registered Yak aircraft
If not wrong, I think Jan is in Belgium. I think they are bound by type
certificates and do not have the blessed "experimental" category that we are
so blessed to have. We are very lucky as you know to be in the experimental
show category.
Doc
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:52 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: N Registered Yak aircraft
NO! NO! NO! DON'T GO ASKING A TYPE CERTIFICATE FOR AN AIRCRAFT!!!! You
have far more freedom with experimental certificates. I would not be
pleased at all!!
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 8/18/2008 4:24:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jan.mevis@informavia.be writes:
Thanks Richard. So if I understand it well, we would be all pleased if the
Russians would be so kind to provide a Type Certificate for our Yaks and
Sukhois ? (And the Chinese for the Nanchang ?) Or is this already the case,
but there simply are no bi-lateral agreements ?
Jan
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: maandag 18 augustus 2008 18:25
To: YAK USA LIST
Subject: N Registered Yak aircraft
N Registered Yak aircraft
Certification
Sadly, I have been forced to spend years delving into this whole issue of
registrations, during the period were we had problems in Europe attempting
to get legal registrations for Yaks and Sukhois. The essential position
is:
* Only Type-Certificated aircraft can obtain Normal Category
Certificates of Airworthiness.
* A Normal Category Certificate of Airworthiness is valid in any
ICAO-Signatory country. Also the process of Type Certification tends to be
controlled with bi-lateral agreements between countries, so, as a principle,
an aircraft Type Certificated in one country will normally be accepted in
another country relatively easy.
* The problem then occurs with Non-Certificated aircraft. As a
practicality some 40% of aircraft in the UK are Non-Type Certificated, and I
suspect that the figure is probably fairly similar in the US.
* Unfortunately there is no uniformity as to how individual countries
handle Non-Certificated aircraft - indeed each country has total flexibility
to do what it thinks is best.
* So Non-Certificated are allowed to fly in many countries with the
paper being called "Experimental"; "Restricted"; "Permit to Fly" etc.
* A critical issue is then that the Airworthiness documents for a
Non-Certificated aircraft are, by legal definition, ONLY valid in the
country of issue.
* They can however be made valid in other countries by virtue of a
"Over-Fly" Permission from the National Aviation Authority in the country
over which the flying is occurring.
* Then, there is no uniformity as to what might be granted. For
example the German LBA will give Annual "Over-Fly" Permission to Lithuanian
Restricted Category aircraft such as Yak-52s etc. Conversely the UK will
only give 30 days in total per annum for such aircraft.
* So, all Yaks and Sukhois in the US are not Type Certificated; are
therefore registered in "Experimental", and therefore that registration is
not valid outside the USA without Over-Fly Permission.
* For the Red Bull aircraft, you will find that they obtained Dutch
Over-Fly Permission for them to compete in Rotterdam.
* An important point is that there is virtually no legislation
PREVENTING Non-Certificated aircraft flying in most countries. The problem
is, however, to convince the local NAA that they should give a form of
Experimental / Restricted - in most cases they feel that is too much hassle
and refuse!
Ownership
* A totally separate issue is that of Ownership. In principle, most
countries legislate that only citizens / corporate entities of that country
can register aircraft there. In the case of Europe, any European can own
any aircraft registered in any other European country.
* In the US of course, an aircraft can be owned by a trust, and that
trust can, I believe, be owned by a foreign National.
* Certainly in Europe it is not difficult for non-Europeans to set up
companies only for the purpose of aircraft ownership, and then that company
then becomes a Registered Owner.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
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