Commander-Archive.digest.vol-bd
October 27, 2003 - December 29, 2003
known to mankind, but mostly the FAA. This one probablly correct. I had to place
a firm order to get them to do anything. My probem with them is I never,
ever heard the same story twice!!!!!! Promised to return my phone calls were
numerious, and you guessed it they never did. I finally go so frustrated that
I ended up putting a 65 series in my 560e. This system requires 2 seperate
panel cuts to handle. I am happy with the final result, however ended up spending
thousands more than I originally wanted to with the 60-2 system.. Another
good point was they ended up giving me full credit for what I paid 5 years ago
for the 0 series.
Bruce Campbell wrote:
STEC has STCs for the 560A, no less. But as miss is as good as a mile in
terms of the FAA.
Further, STEC can perform a single flight test, apparently, and put in the
paperwork for a new model on their general STC. But... they aren't
interested in doing so unless they feel there is "market" for the result.
Mind you, if you've got an experimental it's even easier. They send a set of
development ROMs, the installer has a test pilot fl a series of manuevers,
and a new set of "permanent" roms are sent. So, if you've got a 520 you're
out of luck, but if you're flying an Experimental Exhibition certified
Stidestrander-Chuffington, literally the sky's the limit.
I love how the FAA protects us all.
----- Original Message -----
>
> Phil,
> The STEC 50 is approved on a number of short body flat nacelle Twin
> Commanders. We would be willing to help in the process. We would need
> STEC's support. The 560F, 680F/FL/FP/FLP all need new autopilots. I have
> several customers that need new autopilots. We have a DER on staff. Give
> me a call.
>
> Regards,
> Tylor Hall
> Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> 970-731-2127
>
>
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: STEC in a 520?
>
>
>
> I've been trying to find a shop/FSDO combo that will do a one time
approval
> for S-TEC 50 in my 560F (also approved for Lear and Brittain). Commander
> Aero is exploring the possibilitys.
> Does anyone know of a shop that can do a non-stc'd S-Tec install?
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Bruce Campbell
> > To:
> > Date: 10/23/2003 3:54:23 PM
> > Subject: Commander-List: STEC in a 520?
> >
>
> >
> > I think I heard a short while ago about an STEC autopilot in a 520.
> >
> > Does that mean they have an STC now for the 520? They didn't used to.
> >
> > Inquiring Minds Want To Know!
> >
> > Bruce Campbell
> > AC52 N4186B
> >
> >
>
>
Buddy Windham, President
Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
Grandville, Michigan 49418
616 896-6488 office
616 896-6490 fax
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
I erased this email yesterday but will now send it instead.
I think it is very important to, at some point, shut one down. I think it
is good for the fear factor to see what that looks like. It might keep you
from wetting you pants if the real think happens.
another 1.5 cents.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann"
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
>
>
> CloudCraft(at)aol.com wrote:
> > Since I'm raking it in on useless advice today, anyone have a few cents
worth
> > of experience of actually having to shut one down and then restart -- in
real
> > life?
>
> During my ownership of the 520 (GO-435's), I shut both engines down
> several times on purpose (not at the same time of course). I always
> pre-cooled prior to shutdown. Never had a re-start problem although
> they did require a bit of cranking before coming out of feather.
> Although I knew it was hard on the engines, I just felt it was prudent
> for me to have a good "feel" for the airplane with one really shut down.
> Although it's hard on those geared starters, it's probably easier on
> the engine to shut it down rather than clatter the gearbox at idle....
> I'm glad I did bother to practice single-engine work and do a couple of
> true single-engine landings because I did loose an engine during takeoff
> once. The right engine just stopped cold at about 200ft agl. Glad it
> was the right one because the gear were just coming up. Feathered it
> and climbed out easily for a return to a non-eventful landing.
>
> Chris Schuermann
>
>
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
We just added a new checklist for the guy who calls himself the co-co-pilot
(he monitors the door lock, door seal, and runs the entertainment center).
This is a preflight checklist to ensure he remembers to take his bags out
of the back of his truck and put them on the ground near the baggage
compartment so they get loaded instead of left at the airport!
The good news is, 400CH is back in the air, purring like a kitten, and the
families are enjoying the new interior and entertainment center! ~ 9 hours
this week from Vegas to Boise, back to Vegas with a quick stop in Battle
Mountain, NV, a quick hop to Bakersfield, and back to Vegas. A few minor
items to tighten up, but we're just about ready for the hunting seasons!
Brock Lorber
>
>
> I agree. I just got lost in the communication. Seems like more that a
few
> items and I forget. So I need a check list on everything I do anymore.
> bobby
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> Wrom: TQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGV
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
>
>
>
> >
> > Oh, we are just talking about the practice of checklists versus
memorized
> > drills. Some folks adhere more rigorously to checklists than others. I
was
> a
> > total non-checklist pilot but has since converted, but the extent to
which
> > one ought to follow a checklist is the question. Obviously checklists
are
> > good verifiers, but the pilot should be able to complete all phases of
the
> > flight from memory.
> > Otherwise, sorry, there's no point.
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Wrom: CJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLK
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > >
> > > The point being?????
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Wrom: BRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMN
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > There are strong arguments for checklists by pros who have been
> > practicing
> > > > their craft safely for a long time and amateurs like me will do good
> to
> > > heed
> > > > their advice. However, checklists appear to be only part of the
story.
> > > > Checklists, yes, but checklists alone, no way. And it is not as if
the
> > > pros
> > > > proposed that checklists are alone the cure for all fingertroubles,
> but
> > > they
> > > > preached to me and folks who would strap a plane to their butts and
> > blast
> > > > off having followed some acronym and scanning the instrument panel
> from
> > > left
> > > > to right touching each instrument and switch in an attempt to remain
> > > within
> > > > the reality realm.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Nico
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > Wrom: NSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIB
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 10/21/2003 1:05:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > > > tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Absolutely emergency drills in a single pilot environment have
to
> be
> > > > > > conducted from memory
> > > > >
> > > > > How about a "memory checklist" I use C-I-G-A-R T-I-P. As I ferry
> or
> > > > write
> > > > > about many different airplanes, many (most) don't have a reliable
> > > written
> > > > > checklist. I believe firmly that a memory checklist is essential
to
> > > > safety.
> > > > > Emergencies require it. There are also the items that are not
> > currently
> > > > found on
> > > > > the Commander written checklist, such as turning off the aux hyd
> pump
> > > > after TO
> > > > > or checking the aux fuel valve operation prior to engine start.
> These
> > > > items
> > > > > are not found on the written checklist, but extremely important in
> the
> > > > real
> > > > > world. I have chosen to memorize them. There are certainly
> airplanes
> > > > that are
> > > > > to complex to commit their operation to memory, but Commander is
not
> > one
> > > > of
> > > > > them. Just my thoughts. jb
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
Well put, Mr. Gordon. Gary Gadberry proved to me (with one of my employers
in the back) that the 680 flies (and lands) much better with one feathered
than with one at zero-thrust. That went a loooong way to boost my
confidence (and more importantly the families who ride in back) in the AC's
handling and the value of dragging around our huge vertical sail!
I'm a less-agressive instructor in other types. I teach my clients to
safely practice engine out maneuvers with zero-thrust, and have them
feather and perform a couple of air starts not so much to practice
maneuvers, but to show them how quickly the engine cools and how hard it
can be to get them re-started. I also cannot stand the grinding and
shaking out on the wing, but don't have enough confidence in the
single-engine performance of many airplanes (or the traffic
patterns/controllers at our local airports) to make a feathered approach
and landing.
I love the pre-oilers on 400CH. What a great feeling it gives to have oil
pressure BEFORE cranking the starter! We ask a lot of that airplane, and
little things like the pre-oilers put me way ahead of the game before we
even leave the chocks.
Brock Lorber
N400CH
>
> In a message dated 10/25/03 11:05:07 Pacific Daylight Time,
> kellyp@air-matrix.com writes:
>
> > What is the best practice for zero-thrust setup and execution
> > with the GO-480's? Or dare I ask - how detrimental is it to actually
> > shut-down feather and re-start?
> >
>
> Kelly,
>
> Take the power to the "bottom of the green" for both MAP and RPM. You'll
> have more than zero thrust, but you'll still have an engine at the end of
the
> day.
>
> You're demonstrating technique on your checkride and I.M.O you shouldn't
be
> making a blood sacrifice to the FAA.
>
> As soon as you can, find a Commander owner with a direct drive model and
work
> out what ever kind of deal you have to, to feather the left engine and
fly
> around to get the true sense of handling and climb gradient.
>
> In the past, I think I've gotten one geared engine to restart
comfortably.
> The rest, I gave the client a chance to go through the steps, but I just
> couldn't stand the grinding and grinding to get it started in the air.
Maybe they
> would have all started eventually, but it just drives me berserk to watch
all
> that shaking and straining out there on the wing.
>
> I always used this as an opportunity to land with an engine feathered
because
> the deceleration with an engine feathered is so much different than with
two
> turning that I think it's important to experience. Believe it or don't,
the
> plane doesn't slow down as fast with one feathered, contrary to what your
> intuition would have you think.
>
> Since I'm raking it in on useless advice today, anyone have a few cents
worth
> of experience of actually having to shut one down and then restart -- in
real
> life?
>
> I figure if it gets to the point of actually needing featering a piston
> engine (you've done all you can do to keep it running: fuel selector,
boost pumps,
> mixture, mags), there's probably no reason to ever restart it. Is there?
>
> By the way, aside from the IGSO-540 boys, anyone have unfeathering
> accumulators or electric (pre) oil pumps? I believe N400CH, a Mr. RPM
FLP, has
> pre-oilers, but not sure if anyone else does. Those would be a big help
in
> unfeathering, I'd think.
>
> It's all about building enough oil pressure to unfeather the prop and
that's
> a lot to ask of a starter motor fighting with 80 to 100+ knots of cold
wind.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
From: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki"
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
To agree with everyone else and put it short and sweet. The only time a go
around should be an emergency is when you are doing something or in a
portion of the envelope you shouldn't have been in to begin with.
Jody
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
>
> Well put, Mr. Gordon. Gary Gadberry proved to me (with one of my
employers
> in the back) that the 680 flies (and lands) much better with one feathered
> than with one at zero-thrust. That went a loooong way to boost my
> confidence (and more importantly the families who ride in back) in the
AC's
> handling and the value of dragging around our huge vertical sail!
>
> I'm a less-agressive instructor in other types. I teach my clients to
> safely practice engine out maneuvers with zero-thrust, and have them
> feather and perform a couple of air starts not so much to practice
> maneuvers, but to show them how quickly the engine cools and how hard it
> can be to get them re-started. I also cannot stand the grinding and
> shaking out on the wing, but don't have enough confidence in the
> single-engine performance of many airplanes (or the traffic
> patterns/controllers at our local airports) to make a feathered approach
> and landing.
>
> I love the pre-oilers on 400CH. What a great feeling it gives to have oil
> pressure BEFORE cranking the starter! We ask a lot of that airplane, and
> little things like the pre-oilers put me way ahead of the game before we
> even leave the chocks.
>
> Brock Lorber
> N400CH
>
> >
> > In a message dated 10/25/03 11:05:07 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > kellyp@air-matrix.com writes:
> >
> > > What is the best practice for zero-thrust setup and execution
> > > with the GO-480's? Or dare I ask - how detrimental is it to actually
> > > shut-down feather and re-start?
> > >
> >
> > Kelly,
> >
> > Take the power to the "bottom of the green" for both MAP and RPM.
You'll
> > have more than zero thrust, but you'll still have an engine at the end
of
> the
> > day.
> >
> > You're demonstrating technique on your checkride and I.M.O you shouldn't
> be
> > making a blood sacrifice to the FAA.
> >
> > As soon as you can, find a Commander owner with a direct drive model and
> work
> > out what ever kind of deal you have to, to feather the left engine and
> fly
> > around to get the true sense of handling and climb gradient.
> >
> > In the past, I think I've gotten one geared engine to restart
> comfortably.
> > The rest, I gave the client a chance to go through the steps, but I just
> > couldn't stand the grinding and grinding to get it started in the air.
> Maybe they
> > would have all started eventually, but it just drives me berserk to
watch
> all
> > that shaking and straining out there on the wing.
> >
> > I always used this as an opportunity to land with an engine feathered
> because
> > the deceleration with an engine feathered is so much different than with
> two
> > turning that I think it's important to experience. Believe it or
don't,
> the
> > plane doesn't slow down as fast with one feathered, contrary to what
your
> > intuition would have you think.
> >
> > Since I'm raking it in on useless advice today, anyone have a few cents
> worth
> > of experience of actually having to shut one down and then restart -- in
> real
> > life?
> >
> > I figure if it gets to the point of actually needing featering a piston
> > engine (you've done all you can do to keep it running: fuel selector,
> boost pumps,
> > mixture, mags), there's probably no reason to ever restart it. Is
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Congratulations & Very Best Regards,
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Farmer" <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Commander-List: A NEW BABY
|
| I probably should send out birth announcements but thought that might be a
little to vain. Just wanted to let anyone who cares and those who dont that as
of last Friday the 25th of Oct. 2003 I am officially the owner to N6369U a 500B.
Have flown it 12 hours already and looking forward to many more.
|
| Thanks in advance
| dan farmer
|
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| Total Messages Posted Sun 10/26/03: 8
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| Today's Message Index:
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|
| 1. 05:03 AM - Re: STEC in a 520? (Buddy Windham)
| 2. 05:15 AM - Re: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? (Bill Bow)
| 3. 06:23 AM - Re: Checklists anyone? (Brock Lorber - VegasFC)
| 4. 07:25 AM - Re: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? (Brock Lorber - VegasFC)
| 5. 07:50 AM - Re: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? (Jody and Susan Pillatzki)
| 6. 10:38 AM - single engine (Dan Dominguez)
| 7. 08:23 PM - Technique (Barry Hancock)
| 8. 09:04 PM - Re: Technique (CloudCraft(at)aol.com)
|
|
| ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
|
|
| From: Buddy Windham
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: STEC in a 520?
|
|
| Hey guys, a little late jumping in but my experience with stec ain't so good.
| I wanted to remove my 50 series and upgrade to a 60-2 in my 560e. The main
reason
| was the footprint in the panel. I worked with stec for over 1 year trying
| to get them off top dead center and get this stc done. I heard every excuse
| known to mankind, but mostly the FAA. This one probablly correct. I had to
place
| a firm order to get them to do anything. My probem with them is I never,
| ever heard the same story twice!!!!!! Promised to return my phone calls were
| numerious, and you guessed it they never did. I finally go so frustrated that
| I ended up putting a 65 series in my 560e. This system requires 2 seperate
| panel cuts to handle. I am happy with the final result, however ended up
spending
| thousands more than I originally wanted to with the 60-2 system.. Another
| good point was they ended up giving me full credit for what I paid 5 years ago
| for the 0 series.
|
| Bruce Campbell wrote:
|
| STEC has STCs for the 560A, no less. But as miss is as good as a mile in
| terms of the FAA.
|
| Further, STEC can perform a single flight test, apparently, and put in the
| paperwork for a new model on their general STC. But... they aren't
| interested in doing so unless they feel there is "market" for the result.
|
| Mind you, if you've got an experimental it's even easier. They send a set of
| development ROMs, the installer has a test pilot fl a series of manuevers,
| and a new set of "permanent" roms are sent. So, if you've got a 520 you're
| out of luck, but if you're flying an Experimental Exhibition certified
| Stidestrander-Chuffington, literally the sky's the limit.
|
| I love how the FAA protects us all.
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Tylor Hall"
| Subject: RE: Commander-List: STEC in a 520?
|
|
| >
| > Phil,
| > The STEC 50 is approved on a number of short body flat nacelle Twin
| > Commanders. We would be willing to help in the process. We would need
| > STEC's support. The 560F, 680F/FL/FP/FLP all need new autopilots. I have
| > several customers that need new autopilots. We have a DER on staff. Give
| > me a call.
| >
| > Regards,
| > Tylor Hall
| > Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
| > 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
| > 970-731-2127
| >
| >
| > Subject: RE: Commander-List: STEC in a 520?
| >
| >
|
| >
| > I've been trying to find a shop/FSDO combo that will do a one time
| approval
| > for S-TEC 50 in my 560F (also approved for Lear and Brittain). Commander
| > Aero is exploring the possibilitys.
| > Does anyone know of a shop that can do a non-stc'd S-Tec install?
| >
| >
| > > [Original Message]
| > > From: Bruce Campbell
| > > To:
| > > Date: 10/23/2003 3:54:23 PM
| > > Subject: Commander-List: STEC in a 520?
| > >
| >
| > >
| > > I think I heard a short while ago about an STEC autopilot in a 520.
| > >
| > > Does that mean they have an STC now for the 520? They didn't used to.
| > >
| > > Inquiring Minds Want To Know!
| > >
| > > Bruce Campbell
| > > AC52 N4186B
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
| Buddy Windham, President
|
| Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
| General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
|
| 0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
| Grandville, Michigan 49418
| 616 896-6488 office
| 616 896-6490 fax
|
|
| ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
|
|
| From: "Bill Bow"
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
|
|
| I erased this email yesterday but will now send it instead.
|
| I think it is very important to, at some point, shut one down. I think it
| is good for the fear factor to see what that looks like. It might keep you
| from wetting you pants if the real think happens.
|
| another 1.5 cents.
|
| bilbo
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Chris Schuermann"
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
|
|
| >
| >
| > CloudCraft(at)aol.com wrote:
| > > Since I'm raking it in on useless advice today, anyone have a few cents
| worth
| > > of experience of actually having to shut one down and then restart -- in
| real
| > > life?
| >
| > During my ownership of the 520 (GO-435's), I shut both engines down
| > several times on purpose (not at the same time of course). I always
| > pre-cooled prior to shutdown. Never had a re-start problem although
| > they did require a bit of cranking before coming out of feather.
| > Although I knew it was hard on the engines, I just felt it was prudent
| > for me to have a good "feel" for the airplane with one really shut down.
| > Although it's hard on those geared starters, it's probably easier on
| > the engine to shut it down rather than clatter the gearbox at idle....
| > I'm glad I did bother to practice single-engine work and do a couple of
| > true single-engine landings because I did loose an engine during takeoff
| > once. The right engine just stopped cold at about 200ft agl. Glad it
| > was the right one because the gear were just coming up. Feathered it
| > and climbed out easily for a return to a non-eventful landing.
| >
| > Chris Schuermann
| >
| >
|
|
| ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
|
|
| From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
|
|
| We just added a new checklist for the guy who calls himself the co-co-pilot
| (he monitors the door lock, door seal, and runs the entertainment center).
| This is a preflight checklist to ensure he remembers to take his bags out
| of the back of his truck and put them on the ground near the baggage
| compartment so they get loaded instead of left at the airport!
|
| The good news is, 400CH is back in the air, purring like a kitten, and the
| families are enjoying the new interior and entertainment center! ~ 9 hours
| this week from Vegas to Boise, back to Vegas with a quick stop in Battle
| Mountain, NV, a quick hop to Bakersfield, and back to Vegas. A few minor
| items to tighten up, but we're just about ready for the hunting seasons!
|
| Brock Lorber
|
| >
| >
| > I agree. I just got lost in the communication. Seems like more that a
| few
| > items and I forget. So I need a check list on everything I do anymore.
| > bobby
| >
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > Wrom: TQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGV
| > To:
| > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
| >
| >
| >
| > >
| > > Oh, we are just talking about the practice of checklists versus
| memorized
| > > drills. Some folks adhere more rigorously to checklists than others. I
| was
| > a
| > > total non-checklist pilot but has since converted, but the extent to
| which
| > > one ought to follow a checklist is the question. Obviously checklists
| are
| > > good verifiers, but the pilot should be able to complete all phases of
| the
| > > flight from memory.
| > > Otherwise, sorry, there's no point.
| > > Nico
| > >
| > >
| > > ----- Original Message -----
| > > Wrom: CJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLK
| > > To:
| > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
| > >
| > >
| >
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > The point being?????
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > ----- Original Message -----
| > > > Wrom: BRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMN
| > > > To:
| > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > There are strong arguments for checklists by pros who have been
| > > practicing
| > > > > their craft safely for a long time and amateurs like me will do good
| > to
| > > > heed
| > > > > their advice. However, checklists appear to be only part of the
| story.
| > > > > Checklists, yes, but checklists alone, no way. And it is not as if
| the
| > > > pros
| > > > > proposed that checklists are alone the cure for all fingertroubles,
| > but
| > > > they
| > > > > preached to me and folks who would strap a plane to their butts and
| > > blast
| > > > > off having followed some acronym and scanning the instrument panel
| > from
| > > > left
| > > > > to right touching each instrument and switch in an attempt to remain
| > > > within
| > > > > the reality realm.
| > > > > Thanks
| > > > > Nico
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > ----- Original Message -----
| > > > > Wrom: NSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIB
| > > > > To:
| > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > > > In a message dated 10/21/2003 1:05:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
| > > > > > tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
| > > > > >
| > > > > > > Absolutely emergency drills in a single pilot environment have
| to
| > be
| > > > > > > conducted from memory
| > > > > >
| > > > > > How about a "memory checklist" I use C-I-G-A-R T-I-P. As I ferry
| > or
| > > > > write
| > > > > > about many different airplanes, many (most) don't have a reliable
| > > > written
| > > > > > checklist. I believe firmly that a memory checklist is essential
| to
| > > > > safety.
| > > > > > Emergencies require it. There are also the items that are not
| > > currently
| > > > > found on
| > > > > > the Commander written checklist, such as turning off the aux hyd
| > pump
| > > > > after TO
| > > > > > or checking the aux fuel valve operation prior to engine start.
| > These
| > > > > items
| > > > > > are not found on the written checklist, but extremely important in
| > the
| > > > > real
| > > > > > world. I have chosen to memorize them. There are certainly
| > airplanes
| > > > > that are
| > > > > > to complex to commit their operation to memory, but Commander is
| not
| > > one
| > > > > of
| > > > > > them. Just my thoughts. jb
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
|
| ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
|
|
| From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
|
|
| Well put, Mr. Gordon. Gary Gadberry proved to me (with one of my employers
| in the back) that the 680 flies (and lands) much better with one feathered
| than with one at zero-thrust. That went a loooong way to boost my
| confidence (and more importantly the families who ride in back) in the AC's
| handling and the value of dragging around our huge vertical sail!
|
| I'm a less-agressive instructor in other types. I teach my clients to
| safely practice engine out maneuvers with zero-thrust, and have them
| feather and perform a couple of air starts not so much to practice
| maneuvers, but to show them how quickly the engine cools and how hard it
| can be to get them re-started. I also cannot stand the grinding and
| shaking out on the wing, but don't have enough confidence in the
| single-engine performance of many airplanes (or the traffic
| patterns/controllers at our local airports) to make a feathered approach
| and landing.
|
| I love the pre-oilers on 400CH. What a great feeling it gives to have oil
| pressure BEFORE cranking the starter! We ask a lot of that airplane, and
| little things like the pre-oilers put me way ahead of the game before we
| even leave the chocks.
|
| Brock Lorber
| N400CH
|
| >
| > In a message dated 10/25/03 11:05:07 Pacific Daylight Time,
| > kellyp@air-matrix.com writes:
| >
| > > What is the best practice for zero-thrust setup and execution
| > > with the GO-480's? Or dare I ask - how detrimental is it to actually
| > > shut-down feather and re-start?
| > >
| >
| > Kelly,
| >
| > Take the power to the "bottom of the green" for both MAP and RPM. You'll
| > have more than zero thrust, but you'll still have an engine at the end of
| the
| > day.
| >
| > You're demonstrating technique on your checkride and I.M.O you shouldn't
| be
| > making a blood sacrifice to the FAA.
| >
| > As soon as you can, find a Commander owner with a direct drive model and
| work
| > out what ever kind of deal you have to, to feather the left engine and
| fly
| > around to get the true sense of handling and climb gradient.
| >
| > In the past, I think I've gotten one geared engine to restart
| comfortably.
| > The rest, I gave the client a chance to go through the steps, but I just
| > couldn't stand the grinding and grinding to get it started in the air.
| Maybe they
| > would have all started eventually, but it just drives me berserk to watch
| all
| > that shaking and straining out there on the wing.
| >
| > I always used this as an opportunity to land with an engine feathered
| because
| > the deceleration with an engine feathered is so much different than with
| two
| > turning that I think it's important to experience. Believe it or don't,
| the
| > plane doesn't slow down as fast with one feathered, contrary to what your
| > intuition would have you think.
| >
| > Since I'm raking it in on useless advice today, anyone have a few cents
| worth
| > of experience of actually having to shut one down and then restart -- in
| real
| > life?
| >
| > I figure if it gets to the point of actually needing featering a piston
| > engine (you've done all you can do to keep it running: fuel selector,
| boost pumps,
| > mixture, mags), there's probably no reason to ever restart it. Is there?
| >
| > By the way, aside from the IGSO-540 boys, anyone have unfeathering
| > accumulators or electric (pre) oil pumps? I believe N400CH, a Mr. RPM
| FLP, has
| > pre-oilers, but not sure if anyone else does. Those would be a big help
| in
| > unfeathering, I'd think.
| >
| > It's all about building enough oil pressure to unfeather the prop and
| that's
| > a lot to ask of a starter motor fighting with 80 to 100+ knots of cold
| wind.
| >
| > Wing Commander Gordon
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
|
| ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
|
|
| From: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki"
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
|
|
| To agree with everyone else and put it short and sweet. The only time a go
| around should be an emergency is when you are doing something or in a
| portion of the envelope you shouldn't have been in to begin with.
| Jody
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
|
|
|
| >
| > Well put, Mr. Gordon. Gary Gadberry proved to me (with one of my
| employers
| > in the back) that the 680 flies (and lands) much better with one feathered
| > than with one at zero-thrust. That went a loooong way to boost my
| > confidence (and more importantly the families who ride in back) in the
| AC's
| > handling and the value of dragging around our huge vertical sail!
| >
| > I'm a less-agressive instructor in other types. I teach my clients to
| > safely practice engine out maneuvers with zero-thrust, and have them
| > feather and perform a couple of air starts not so much to practice
| > maneuvers, but to show them how quickly the engine cools and how hard it
| > can be to get them re-started. I also cannot stand the grinding and
| > shaking out on the wing, but don't have enough confidence in the
| > single-engine performance of many airplanes (or the traffic
| > patterns/controllers at our local airports) to make a feathered approach
| > and landing.
| >
| > I love the pre-oilers on 400CH. What a great feeling it gives to have oil
| > pressure BEFORE cranking the starter! We ask a lot of that airplane, and
| > little things like the pre-oilers put me way ahead of the game before we
| > even leave the chocks.
| >
| > Brock Lorber
| > N400CH
| >
| > >
| > > In a message dated 10/25/03 11:05:07 Pacific Daylight Time,
| > > kellyp@air-matrix.com writes:
| > >
| > > > What is the best practice for zero-thrust setup and execution
| > > > with the GO-480's? Or dare I ask - how detrimental is it to actually
| > > > shut-down feather and re-start?
| > > >
| > >
| > > Kelly,
| > >
| > > Take the power to the "bottom of the green" for both MAP and RPM.
| You'll
| > > have more than zero thrust, but you'll still have an engine at the end
| of
| > the
| > > day.
| > >
| > > You're demonstrating technique on your checkride and I.M.O you shouldn't
| > be
| > > making a blood sacrifice to the FAA.
| > >
| > > As soon as you can, find a Commander owner with a direct drive model and
| > work
| > > out what ever kind of deal you have to, to feather the left engine and
| > fly
| > > around to get the true sense of handling and climb gradient.
| > >
| > > In the past, I think I've gotten one geared engine to restart
| > comfortably.
| > > The rest, I gave the client a chance to go through the steps, but I just
| > > couldn't stand the grinding and grinding to get it started in the air.
| > Maybe they
| > > would have all started eventually, but it just drives me berserk to
| watch
| > all
| > > that shaking and straining out there on the wing.
| > >
| > > I always used this as an opportunity to land with an engine feathered
| > because
| > > the deceleration with an engine feathered is so much different than with
| > two
| > > turning that I think it's important to experience. Believe it or
| don't,
| > the
| > > plane doesn't slow down as fast with one feathered, contrary to what
| your
| > > intuition would have you think.
| > >
| > > Since I'm raking it in on useless advice today, anyone have a few cents
| > worth
| > > of experience of actually having to shut one down and then restart -- in
| > real
| > > life?
| > >
| > > I figure if it gets to the point of actually needing featering a piston
| > > engine (you've done all you can do to keep it running: fuel selector,
| > boost pumps,
| > > mixture, mags), there's probably no reason to ever restart it. Is
|
| === message truncated ===
|
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| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: STEC in a 520? |
Dear Taylor,
When you get the info. togeather, about the auto pilot contact me.
Moe Mills
N680RR
phone 310.536.0100
fax 310.536.0333
email moe(at)rosspistons.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? |
Chris,
I agree. I have about eight hours single engine time in my 680F(p), as my
instructor was a real stickler for single engine operations, and we had to fly
at least 50 hours dual for the insurance co. This experience came in very
handy when I lost an engine on take off at about 400 ft. AGL.
We only had a problem starting an engine one time. We were practicing over
the Channel Islands west of Oxnard, CA., decided the right engine would not
start and took off for Hawthorne (by LAX). After flying about 40 miles, we
decided to try again, and it started immediately. We were always very careful
to
run the engine at idle with cowl flaps closed until the heat came up before
applying any power to a shut down engine.
Moe
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Congrats..!!! Here's to many delightful hours of quality "Commander Time"
for you.
Randy Dettmer
680F/N6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Farmer" <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Commander-List: A NEW BABY
>
> I probably should send out birth announcements but thought that might be a
little to vain. Just wanted to let anyone who cares and those who dont that
as of last Friday the 25th of Oct. 2003 I am officially the owner to N6369U
a 500B. Have flown it 12 hours already and looking forward to many more.
>
> Thanks in advance
> dan farmer
>
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>
> 1. 05:03 AM - Re: STEC in a 520? (Buddy Windham)
> 2. 05:15 AM - Re: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? (Bill Bow)
> 3. 06:23 AM - Re: Checklists anyone? (Brock Lorber - VegasFC)
> 4. 07:25 AM - Re: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? (Brock Lorber - VegasFC)
> 5. 07:50 AM - Re: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? (Jody and Susan
Pillatzki)
> 6. 10:38 AM - single engine (Dan Dominguez)
> 7. 08:23 PM - Technique (Barry Hancock)
> 8. 09:04 PM - Re: Technique (CloudCraft(at)aol.com)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: Buddy Windham
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: STEC in a 520?
>
>
> Hey guys, a little late jumping in but my experience with stec ain't so
good.
> I wanted to remove my 50 series and upgrade to a 60-2 in my 560e. The main
reason
> was the footprint in the panel. I worked with stec for over 1 year trying
> to get them off top dead center and get this stc done. I heard every
excuse
> known to mankind, but mostly the FAA. This one probablly correct. I had to
place
> a firm order to get them to do anything. My probem with them is I never,
> ever heard the same story twice!!!!!! Promised to return my phone calls
were
> numerious, and you guessed it they never did. I finally go so frustrated
that
> I ended up putting a 65 series in my 560e. This system requires 2 seperate
> panel cuts to handle. I am happy with the final result, however ended up
spending
> thousands more than I originally wanted to with the 60-2 system.. Another
> good point was they ended up giving me full credit for what I paid 5 years
ago
> for the 0 series.
>
> Bruce Campbell wrote:
>
> STEC has STCs for the 560A, no less. But as miss is as good as a mile in
> terms of the FAA.
>
> Further, STEC can perform a single flight test, apparently, and put in the
> paperwork for a new model on their general STC. But... they aren't
> interested in doing so unless they feel there is "market" for the result.
>
> Mind you, if you've got an experimental it's even easier. They send a set
of
> development ROMs, the installer has a test pilot fl a series of manuevers,
> and a new set of "permanent" roms are sent. So, if you've got a 520 you're
> out of luck, but if you're flying an Experimental Exhibition certified
> Stidestrander-Chuffington, literally the sky's the limit.
>
> I love how the FAA protects us all.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tylor Hall"
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: STEC in a 520?
>
>
> >
> > Phil,
> > The STEC 50 is approved on a number of short body flat nacelle Twin
> > Commanders. We would be willing to help in the process. We would need
> > STEC's support. The 560F, 680F/FL/FP/FLP all need new autopilots. I have
> > several customers that need new autopilots. We have a DER on staff. Give
> > me a call.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tylor Hall
> > Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> > 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> > 970-731-2127
> >
> >
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: STEC in a 520?
> >
> >
>
> >
> > I've been trying to find a shop/FSDO combo that will do a one time
> approval
> > for S-TEC 50 in my 560F (also approved for Lear and Brittain). Commander
> > Aero is exploring the possibilitys.
> > Does anyone know of a shop that can do a non-stc'd S-Tec install?
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Bruce Campbell
> > > To:
> > > Date: 10/23/2003 3:54:23 PM
> > > Subject: Commander-List: STEC in a 520?
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > I think I heard a short while ago about an STEC autopilot in a 520.
> > >
> > > Does that mean they have an STC now for the 520? They didn't used to.
> > >
> > > Inquiring Minds Want To Know!
> > >
> > > Bruce Campbell
> > > AC52 N4186B
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> Buddy Windham, President
>
> Cycon Enterprises, Inc.
> General Contractors/Construction Management/Design Build Services
>
> 0-608 Quincy Street S.W.
> Grandville, Michigan 49418
> 616 896-6488 office
> 616 896-6490 fax
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Bill Bow"
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
>
>
> I erased this email yesterday but will now send it instead.
>
> I think it is very important to, at some point, shut one down. I think it
> is good for the fear factor to see what that looks like. It might keep you
> from wetting you pants if the real think happens.
>
> another 1.5 cents.
>
> bilbo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Schuermann"
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
>
>
> >
> >
> > CloudCraft(at)aol.com wrote:
> > > Since I'm raking it in on useless advice today, anyone have a few
cents
> worth
> > > of experience of actually having to shut one down and then restart --
in
> real
> > > life?
> >
> > During my ownership of the 520 (GO-435's), I shut both engines down
> > several times on purpose (not at the same time of course). I always
> > pre-cooled prior to shutdown. Never had a re-start problem although
> > they did require a bit of cranking before coming out of feather.
> > Although I knew it was hard on the engines, I just felt it was prudent
> > for me to have a good "feel" for the airplane with one really shut down.
> > Although it's hard on those geared starters, it's probably easier on
> > the engine to shut it down rather than clatter the gearbox at idle....
> > I'm glad I did bother to practice single-engine work and do a couple of
> > true single-engine landings because I did loose an engine during takeoff
> > once. The right engine just stopped cold at about 200ft agl. Glad it
> > was the right one because the gear were just coming up. Feathered it
> > and climbed out easily for a return to a non-eventful landing.
> >
> > Chris Schuermann
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
>
>
> We just added a new checklist for the guy who calls himself the
co-co-pilot
> (he monitors the door lock, door seal, and runs the entertainment center).
> This is a preflight checklist to ensure he remembers to take his bags out
> of the back of his truck and put them on the ground near the baggage
> compartment so they get loaded instead of left at the airport!
>
> The good news is, 400CH is back in the air, purring like a kitten, and the
> families are enjoying the new interior and entertainment center! ~ 9 hours
> this week from Vegas to Boise, back to Vegas with a quick stop in Battle
> Mountain, NV, a quick hop to Bakersfield, and back to Vegas. A few minor
> items to tighten up, but we're just about ready for the hunting seasons!
>
> Brock Lorber
>
> >
> >
> > I agree. I just got lost in the communication. Seems like more that a
> few
> > items and I forget. So I need a check list on everything I do anymore.
> > bobby
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > Wrom: TQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYCGPKYLEJGDGV
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Oh, we are just talking about the practice of checklists versus
> memorized
> > > drills. Some folks adhere more rigorously to checklists than others. I
> was
> > a
> > > total non-checklist pilot but has since converted, but the extent to
> which
> > > one ought to follow a checklist is the question. Obviously checklists
> are
> > > good verifiers, but the pilot should be able to complete all phases of
> the
> > > flight from memory.
> > > Otherwise, sorry, there's no point.
> > > Nico
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > Wrom: CJVTLBXFGGMEPYOQKEDOTWFAOBUZXUWLSZLK
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The point being?????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > Wrom: BRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMBIPBARHDMN
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There are strong arguments for checklists by pros who have been
> > > practicing
> > > > > their craft safely for a long time and amateurs like me will do
good
> > to
> > > > heed
> > > > > their advice. However, checklists appear to be only part of the
> story.
> > > > > Checklists, yes, but checklists alone, no way. And it is not as if
> the
> > > > pros
> > > > > proposed that checklists are alone the cure for all
fingertroubles,
> > but
> > > > they
> > > > > preached to me and folks who would strap a plane to their butts
and
> > > blast
> > > > > off having followed some acronym and scanning the instrument panel
> > from
> > > > left
> > > > > to right touching each instrument and switch in an attempt to
remain
> > > > within
> > > > > the reality realm.
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > Nico
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > Wrom: NSKVFVWRKJVZCMHVIB
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Checklists anyone?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a message dated 10/21/2003 1:05:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > > > > tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Absolutely emergency drills in a single pilot environment have
> to
> > be
> > > > > > > conducted from memory
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How about a "memory checklist" I use C-I-G-A-R T-I-P. As I ferry
> > or
> > > > > write
> > > > > > about many different airplanes, many (most) don't have a
reliable
> > > > written
> > > > > > checklist. I believe firmly that a memory checklist is essential
> to
> > > > > safety.
> > > > > > Emergencies require it. There are also the items that are not
> > > currently
> > > > > found on
> > > > > > the Commander written checklist, such as turning off the aux hyd
> > pump
> > > > > after TO
> > > > > > or checking the aux fuel valve operation prior to engine start.
> > These
> > > > > items
> > > > > > are not found on the written checklist, but extremely important
in
> > the
> > > > > real
> > > > > > world. I have chosen to memorize them. There are certainly
> > airplanes
> > > > > that are
> > > > > > to complex to commit their operation to memory, but Commander is
> not
> > > one
> > > > > of
> > > > > > them. Just my thoughts. jb
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
>
> From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
>
>
> Well put, Mr. Gordon. Gary Gadberry proved to me (with one of my employers
> in the back) that the 680 flies (and lands) much better with one feathered
> than with one at zero-thrust. That went a loooong way to boost my
> confidence (and more importantly the families who ride in back) in the
AC's
> handling and the value of dragging around our huge vertical sail!
>
> I'm a less-agressive instructor in other types. I teach my clients to
> safely practice engine out maneuvers with zero-thrust, and have them
> feather and perform a couple of air starts not so much to practice
> maneuvers, but to show them how quickly the engine cools and how hard it
> can be to get them re-started. I also cannot stand the grinding and
> shaking out on the wing, but don't have enough confidence in the
> single-engine performance of many airplanes (or the traffic
> patterns/controllers at our local airports) to make a feathered approach
> and landing.
>
> I love the pre-oilers on 400CH. What a great feeling it gives to have oil
> pressure BEFORE cranking the starter! We ask a lot of that airplane, and
> little things like the pre-oilers put me way ahead of the game before we
> even leave the chocks.
>
> Brock Lorber
> N400CH
>
> >
> > In a message dated 10/25/03 11:05:07 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > kellyp@air-matrix.com writes:
> >
> > > What is the best practice for zero-thrust setup and execution
> > > with the GO-480's? Or dare I ask - how detrimental is it to actually
> > > shut-down feather and re-start?
> > >
> >
> > Kelly,
> >
> > Take the power to the "bottom of the green" for both MAP and RPM. You'll
> > have more than zero thrust, but you'll still have an engine at the end
of
> the
> > day.
> >
> > You're demonstrating technique on your checkride and I.M.O you shouldn't
> be
> > making a blood sacrifice to the FAA.
> >
> > As soon as you can, find a Commander owner with a direct drive model and
> work
> > out what ever kind of deal you have to, to feather the left engine and
> fly
> > around to get the true sense of handling and climb gradient.
> >
> > In the past, I think I've gotten one geared engine to restart
> comfortably.
> > The rest, I gave the client a chance to go through the steps, but I just
> > couldn't stand the grinding and grinding to get it started in the air.
> Maybe they
> > would have all started eventually, but it just drives me berserk to
watch
> all
> > that shaking and straining out there on the wing.
> >
> > I always used this as an opportunity to land with an engine feathered
> because
> > the deceleration with an engine feathered is so much different than with
> two
> > turning that I think it's important to experience. Believe it or don't,
> the
> > plane doesn't slow down as fast with one feathered, contrary to what
your
> > intuition would have you think.
> >
> > Since I'm raking it in on useless advice today, anyone have a few cents
> worth
> > of experience of actually having to shut one down and then restart -- in
> real
> > life?
> >
> > I figure if it gets to the point of actually needing featering a piston
> > engine (you've done all you can do to keep it running: fuel selector,
> boost pumps,
> > mixture, mags), there's probably no reason to ever restart it. Is there?
> >
> > By the way, aside from the IGSO-540 boys, anyone have unfeathering
> > accumulators or electric (pre) oil pumps? I believe N400CH, a Mr. RPM
> FLP, has
> > pre-oilers, but not sure if anyone else does. Those would be a big help
> in
> > unfeathering, I'd think.
> >
> > It's all about building enough oil pressure to unfeather the prop and
> that's
> > a lot to ask of a starter motor fighting with 80 to 100+ knots of cold
> wind.
> >
> > Wing Commander Gordon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki"
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
>
>
> To agree with everyone else and put it short and sweet. The only time a go
> around should be an emergency is when you are doing something or in a
> portion of the envelope you shouldn't have been in to begin with.
> Jody
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC"
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
>
>
> >
> > Well put, Mr. Gordon. Gary Gadberry proved to me (with one of my
> employers
> > in the back) that the 680 flies (and lands) much better with one
feathered
> > than with one at zero-thrust. That went a loooong way to boost my
> > confidence (and more importantly the families who ride in back) in the
> AC's
> > handling and the value of dragging around our huge vertical sail!
> >
> > I'm a less-agressive instructor in other types. I teach my clients to
> > safely practice engine out maneuvers with zero-thrust, and have them
> > feather and perform a couple of air starts not so much to practice
> > maneuvers, but to show them how quickly the engine cools and how hard it
> > can be to get them re-started. I also cannot stand the grinding and
> > shaking out on the wing, but don't have enough confidence in the
> > single-engine performance of many airplanes (or the traffic
> > patterns/controllers at our local airports) to make a feathered approach
> > and landing.
> >
> > I love the pre-oilers on 400CH. What a great feeling it gives to have
oil
> > pressure BEFORE cranking the starter! We ask a lot of that airplane, and
> > little things like the pre-oilers put me way ahead of the game before we
> > even leave the chocks.
> >
> > Brock Lorber
> > N400CH
> >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 10/25/03 11:05:07 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > kellyp@air-matrix.com writes:
> > >
> > > > What is the best practice for zero-thrust setup and execution
> > > > with the GO-480's? Or dare I ask - how detrimental is it to actually
> > > > shut-down feather and re-start?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Kelly,
> > >
> > > Take the power to the "bottom of the green" for both MAP and RPM.
> You'll
> > > have more than zero thrust, but you'll still have an engine at the end
> of
> > the
> > > day.
> > >
> > > You're demonstrating technique on your checkride and I.M.O you
shouldn't
> > be
> > > making a blood sacrifice to the FAA.
> > >
> > > As soon as you can, find a Commander owner with a direct drive model
and
> > work
> > > out what ever kind of deal you have to, to feather the left engine and
> > fly
> > > around to get the true sense of handling and climb gradient.
> > >
> > > In the past, I think I've gotten one geared engine to restart
> > comfortably.
> > > The rest, I gave the client a chance to go through the steps, but I
just
> > > couldn't stand the grinding and grinding to get it started in the air.
> > Maybe they
> > > would have all started eventually, but it just drives me berserk to
> watch
> > all
> > > that shaking and straining out there on the wing.
> > >
> > > I always used this as an opportunity to land with an engine feathered
> > because
> > > the deceleration with an engine feathered is so much different than
with
> > two
> > > turning that I think it's important to experience. Believe it or
> don't,
> > the
> > > plane doesn't slow down as fast with one feathered, contrary to what
> your
> > > intuition would have you think.
> > >
> > > Since I'm raking it in on useless advice today, anyone have a few
cents
> > worth
> > > of experience of actually having to shut one down and then restart --
in
> > real
> > > life?
> > >
> > > I figure if it gets to the point of actually needing featering a
piston
> > > engine (you've done all you can do to keep it running: fuel selector,
> > boost pumps,
> > > mixture, mags), there's probably no reason to ever restart it. Is
>
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? |
I agree, it is a good idea to actually do a dead engine landing, but I
retarded power to 15" and then proceeded to feather, pacing the feather with
throttle closure. I never did hear a clatter or believed that the engine
would overstress developing power on a feathered prop. Since I didn't own
the 680F(P) I wasn't around to find out whether I caused damage to the
engines but only did my best to do what I believed was best-practice
maneuvers.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schuermann" <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
>
>
> CloudCraft(at)aol.com wrote:
> > Since I'm raking it in on useless advice today, anyone have a few cents
worth
> > of experience of actually having to shut one down and then restart -- in
real
> > life?
>
> During my ownership of the 520 (GO-435's), I shut both engines down
> several times on purpose (not at the same time of course). I always
> pre-cooled prior to shutdown. Never had a re-start problem although
> they did require a bit of cranking before coming out of feather.
> Although I knew it was hard on the engines, I just felt it was prudent
> for me to have a good "feel" for the airplane with one really shut down.
> Although it's hard on those geared starters, it's probably easier on
> the engine to shut it down rather than clatter the gearbox at idle....
> I'm glad I did bother to practice single-engine work and do a couple of
> true single-engine landings because I did loose an engine during takeoff
> once. The right engine just stopped cold at about 200ft agl. Glad it
> was the right one because the gear were just coming up. Feathered it
> and climbed out easily for a return to a non-eventful landing.
>
> Chris Schuermann
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
You're 35?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Technique
>
>
> On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server
> wrote:
>
> > They do require knowledge and operating technique that are now a rare
> > commodities.
> >
> > Wing Commander Gordon
>
> In the warbird world they say "radial engines are for real pilots". I
> guess I'm just lucky I was brought up on radials because operating a
> geared motor (radials are geared too, but just much more stout because
> they don't have planetary gears) is not a big issue. As far as
> technique, you're talking about the "Think ahead, plan ahead, and run
> over any poor sucker that gets in your way...." philosophy, right?
>
> So what are you saying, WCG? That I'm some sort of enigma at 35? Wait,
> don't answer that....
>
> Barry (I fly radials and geared motors, but I'm still working on being a
> real pilot) Hancock
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? |
About the pre-oilers: is that a continuous pressure pump or does it empty a
reservoir once only into the oil lines?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
>
> Well put, Mr. Gordon. Gary Gadberry proved to me (with one of my
employers
> in the back) that the 680 flies (and lands) much better with one feathered
> than with one at zero-thrust. That went a loooong way to boost my
> confidence (and more importantly the families who ride in back) in the
AC's
> handling and the value of dragging around our huge vertical sail!
>
> I'm a less-agressive instructor in other types. I teach my clients to
> safely practice engine out maneuvers with zero-thrust, and have them
> feather and perform a couple of air starts not so much to practice
> maneuvers, but to show them how quickly the engine cools and how hard it
> can be to get them re-started. I also cannot stand the grinding and
> shaking out on the wing, but don't have enough confidence in the
> single-engine performance of many airplanes (or the traffic
> patterns/controllers at our local airports) to make a feathered approach
> and landing.
>
> I love the pre-oilers on 400CH. What a great feeling it gives to have oil
> pressure BEFORE cranking the starter! We ask a lot of that airplane, and
> little things like the pre-oilers put me way ahead of the game before we
> even leave the chocks.
>
> Brock Lorber
> N400CH
>
> >
> > In a message dated 10/25/03 11:05:07 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > kellyp@air-matrix.com writes:
> >
> > > What is the best practice for zero-thrust setup and execution
> > > with the GO-480's? Or dare I ask - how detrimental is it to actually
> > > shut-down feather and re-start?
> > >
> >
> > Kelly,
> >
> > Take the power to the "bottom of the green" for both MAP and RPM.
You'll
> > have more than zero thrust, but you'll still have an engine at the end
of
> the
> > day.
> >
> > You're demonstrating technique on your checkride and I.M.O you shouldn't
> be
> > making a blood sacrifice to the FAA.
> >
> > As soon as you can, find a Commander owner with a direct drive model and
> work
> > out what ever kind of deal you have to, to feather the left engine and
> fly
> > around to get the true sense of handling and climb gradient.
> >
> > In the past, I think I've gotten one geared engine to restart
> comfortably.
> > The rest, I gave the client a chance to go through the steps, but I just
> > couldn't stand the grinding and grinding to get it started in the air.
> Maybe they
> > would have all started eventually, but it just drives me berserk to
watch
> all
> > that shaking and straining out there on the wing.
> >
> > I always used this as an opportunity to land with an engine feathered
> because
> > the deceleration with an engine feathered is so much different than with
> two
> > turning that I think it's important to experience. Believe it or
don't,
> the
> > plane doesn't slow down as fast with one feathered, contrary to what
your
> > intuition would have you think.
> >
> > Since I'm raking it in on useless advice today, anyone have a few cents
> worth
> > of experience of actually having to shut one down and then restart -- in
> real
> > life?
> >
> > I figure if it gets to the point of actually needing featering a piston
> > engine (you've done all you can do to keep it running: fuel selector,
> boost pumps,
> > mixture, mags), there's probably no reason to ever restart it. Is
there?
> >
> > By the way, aside from the IGSO-540 boys, anyone have unfeathering
> > accumulators or electric (pre) oil pumps? I believe N400CH, a Mr. RPM
> FLP, has
> > pre-oilers, but not sure if anyone else does. Those would be a big
help
> in
> > unfeathering, I'd think.
> >
> > It's all about building enough oil pressure to unfeather the prop and
> that's
> > a lot to ask of a starter motor fighting with 80 to 100+ knots of cold
> wind.
> >
> > Wing Commander Gordon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: single engine |
Dan,
There was material about your historical flight, but I cannot remember where
it can be found. Could you please help us out?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Dominguez" <dan(at)worldflight2000.com>
Subject: Commander-List: single engine
>
> >I don't want to give the impression that geared engines are made >of
glass.
> >Quite the contrary. I think they're stout, rugged power plants. >They
sound
> >really bitchin', too!
> >They do require knowledge and operating technique that are now a >rare
commodities
>
> wcg-
> when chris and i were flying around the world in 559, i shut down the left
side at FL160 over the red sea. at vyse it took us around 20 minutes to
fall out of the sky as we dumped gas to get under mgtow. she stabilized at
75% around 5000ft to an unventful landing some 45 minutes later.
>
> with both turning, proper planning sequencing an approach at 160 or 90 can
be done safely and effectively with power,gear,flap management.
>
> thanks for taking the time to provide your advice. always valuable...
> dan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? |
Hey, who are these Pillatzkis? Good to have new blood on the line, but would
you guys introduce yourselves? Nice to have you on the list.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
>
> To agree with everyone else and put it short and sweet. The only time a go
> around should be an emergency is when you are doing something or in a
> portion of the envelope you shouldn't have been in to begin with.
> Jody
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
>
>
>
> >
> > Well put, Mr. Gordon. Gary Gadberry proved to me (with one of my
> employers
> > in the back) that the 680 flies (and lands) much better with one
feathered
> > than with one at zero-thrust. That went a loooong way to boost my
> > confidence (and more importantly the families who ride in back) in the
> AC's
> > handling and the value of dragging around our huge vertical sail!
> >
> > I'm a less-agressive instructor in other types. I teach my clients to
> > safely practice engine out maneuvers with zero-thrust, and have them
> > feather and perform a couple of air starts not so much to practice
> > maneuvers, but to show them how quickly the engine cools and how hard it
> > can be to get them re-started. I also cannot stand the grinding and
> > shaking out on the wing, but don't have enough confidence in the
> > single-engine performance of many airplanes (or the traffic
> > patterns/controllers at our local airports) to make a feathered approach
> > and landing.
> >
> > I love the pre-oilers on 400CH. What a great feeling it gives to have
oil
> > pressure BEFORE cranking the starter! We ask a lot of that airplane,
and
> > little things like the pre-oilers put me way ahead of the game before we
> > even leave the chocks.
> >
> > Brock Lorber
> > N400CH
> >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 10/25/03 11:05:07 Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > kellyp@air-matrix.com writes:
> > >
> > > > What is the best practice for zero-thrust setup and execution
> > > > with the GO-480's? Or dare I ask - how detrimental is it to
actually
> > > > shut-down feather and re-start?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Kelly,
> > >
> > > Take the power to the "bottom of the green" for both MAP and RPM.
> You'll
> > > have more than zero thrust, but you'll still have an engine at the end
> of
> > the
> > > day.
> > >
> > > You're demonstrating technique on your checkride and I.M.O you
shouldn't
> > be
> > > making a blood sacrifice to the FAA.
> > >
> > > As soon as you can, find a Commander owner with a direct drive model
and
> > work
> > > out what ever kind of deal you have to, to feather the left engine and
> > fly
> > > around to get the true sense of handling and climb gradient.
> > >
> > > In the past, I think I've gotten one geared engine to restart
> > comfortably.
> > > The rest, I gave the client a chance to go through the steps, but I
just
> > > couldn't stand the grinding and grinding to get it started in the air.
> > Maybe they
> > > would have all started eventually, but it just drives me berserk to
> watch
> > all
> > > that shaking and straining out there on the wing.
> > >
> > > I always used this as an opportunity to land with an engine feathered
> > because
> > > the deceleration with an engine feathered is so much different than
with
> > two
> > > turning that I think it's important to experience. Believe it or
> don't,
> > the
> > > plane doesn't slow down as fast with one feathered, contrary to what
> your
> > > intuition would have you think.
> > >
> > > Since I'm raking it in on useless advice today, anyone have a few
cents
> > worth
> > > of experience of actually having to shut one down and then restart --
in
> > real
> > > life?
> > >
> > > I figure if it gets to the point of actually needing featering a
piston
> > > engine (you've done all you can do to keep it running: fuel selector,
> > boost pumps,
> > > mixture, mags), there's probably no reason to ever restart it. Is
> there?
> > >
> > > By the way, aside from the IGSO-540 boys, anyone have unfeathering
> > > accumulators or electric (pre) oil pumps? I believe N400CH, a Mr.
RPM
> > FLP, has
> > > pre-oilers, but not sure if anyone else does. Those would be a big
> help
> > in
> > > unfeathering, I'd think.
> > >
> > > It's all about building enough oil pressure to unfeather the prop and
> > that's
> > > a lot to ask of a starter motor fighting with 80 to 100+ knots of cold
> > wind.
> > >
> > > Wing Commander Gordon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? |
In a message dated 10/28/03 13:44:56 Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
> About the pre-oilers: is that a continuous pressure pump or does it empty a
> reservoir once only into the oil lines?
Continuous, as far as I know.
Brock? Can you verify? If not, I'll contact the fellow who had them
installed.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tylor Hall" <tylor(at)winddancer.aero> |
| Subject: | Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? |
Oilmatic makes a preoiler system that you turn on manually prior to start of
the engine.
At engine shut down, you would then turn on the system to keep oil flowing
to things like turbos to cool them.
http://www.oilamatic.com/
I spoke with them to day and it would not be a big deal to add the Twin
Commander to his existing STC's.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
970-731-2127
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
In a message dated 10/28/03 13:44:56 Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
> About the pre-oilers: is that a continuous pressure pump or does it empty
a
> reservoir once only into the oil lines?
Continuous, as far as I know.
Brock? Can you verify? If not, I'll contact the fellow who had them
installed.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Experimental Exhibition |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Now you've done it....pushing my buttons again.
On Monday, October 27, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
> So, if you've got a 520 you're
> out of luck, but if you're flying an Experimental Exhibition certified
> Stidestrander-Chuffington, literally the sky's the limit.
Yeah, for a 300 NM limit from your home base. Experimental Exhibition
is one of the most restrictive certifications the FAA lowers on us. Go
figure, a Nanchang CJ-6A that has been in production for almost 50 years
with no substantive design changes, zero structural failures, and is
built in the same factory that builds center sections for Boeing has a
300 mile limit. Joe Pilot builds his first ever kit plane and he can
scoot across this glorious land as he pleases.
No one ever said common sense or practicality every had anything to do
with GOVERNMENT regulations. Just how the heck is a 300 nm restriction
protecting the public????
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Experimental Exhibition |
In a message dated 10/28/03 18:56:52 Pacific Standard Time,
radialpower(at)cox.net writes:
> No one ever said common sense or practicality every had anything to do
> with GOVERNMENT regulations. Just how the heck is a 300 nm restriction
> protecting the public????
>
The government is located 301 miles away.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
I live roughly 50 miles from the closest fire in CA and it was IMC here
all day....amazing.
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Howard Windham" <bw_cycon(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? |
On my 560e I put the pre-oilers on the 480's from these guys several
years back. They work great.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tylor
Hall
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
Oilmatic makes a preoiler system that you turn on manually prior to
start of
the engine.
At engine shut down, you would then turn on the system to keep oil
flowing
to things like turbos to cool them.
http://www.oilamatic.com/
I spoke with them to day and it would not be a big deal to add the Twin
Commander to his existing STC's.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
970-731-2127
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up?
In a message dated 10/28/03 13:44:56 Pacific Standard Time,
nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
> About the pre-oilers: is that a continuous pressure pump or does it
empty
a
> reservoir once only into the oil lines?
Continuous, as far as I know.
Brock? Can you verify? If not, I'll contact the fellow who had them
installed.
Wing Commander Gordon
==
==
==
==
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| From: | "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Shut 'em down ... start 'em up? |
As I understand it from the IA that cares for her, (I haven't pulled the
case apart to verify) it is a continuous pump to a spray bar high in the
case to lube the crank and cam shafts. It must also force oil through the
journals (at least to the tap-off of the pressure line) because it builds
pressure on the oil pressure guages and is placarded against use with the
engine running.
Brock Lorber
>
> In a message dated 10/28/03 13:44:56 Pacific Standard Time,
> nico(at)cybersuperstore.com writes:
>
> > About the pre-oilers: is that a continuous pressure pump or does it
empty a
> > reservoir once only into the oil lines?
>
> Continuous, as far as I know.
>
> Brock? Can you verify? If not, I'll contact the fellow who had them
> installed.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Pre-oiler pumps for unfeathering? |
Did some asking and am forwarding this to the net.
Wing Commander Gordon
Keith:
This question has been raised many times and is a worthy one. However, I'm
sad to say that without additional control valves and lines, it is impossible to
direct the Preoiler pressure to the needed port on the prop governor. The
governor has a gear pump in it, and the pressure must be applied down stream from
those gears to apply pressure to the prop hub to un-feather. During normal
preoiling, those gears prevent oil flow through the governor just as the gears
in the main oil pump prevent oil from flowing back into the oil sump.
If the governor has a port that could be used (all governors do not), then a
line could be connected to it and fed through some type of diverter valve so
that full Preoiler pressure could be provided. Big problem with this
arrangement is that the engines pressure relief valve - set to around 65 to=2080
psi -
would be cut out of the system and pressure would then be limited by the
governor's relief valve which is set at a high pressure in the 250 to 350 psi range.
I
test each pump to 250 psi as part of=A0 assembly process. Even so, the volume
required to un-feather is small and limited so that if the preoiler were run
more than momentary, the pressure would leap to the high pressure and perhaps
create enough load to stall the pump and either blow its fuse or burn the motor.
I guess this is what you wanted to know.
Let us know how we can help.
George McCrillis, Pres., etc.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
Tuesday on descent into ONT the top of the bottom layer of smoke was at 8700
ft. that means there was 7700 ft of smoke in the valley. Looking down
towards San Diego the plume was above 20,000 ft I think.
It is rough down there.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: IMC
>
> I live roughly 50 miles from the closest fire in CA and it was IMC here
> all day....amazing.
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | airborne video and GPS tracking |
Tom Fisher,
Tom could you send me your email address. I have a friend that has and
airborne TV and GPS tracking set up for air craft that you can send TV
pictures and GPS tracking back to a base station and can be sent anywhere
over the internet. We are trying to get it set up for the USCG AUX.
Jim Addington
jtaddington(at)charter.net
N444BD
----
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: airborne video and GPS tracking |
I do not recall discussing this subject on the net, however I am involved in
sending real-time data from search aircraft to search headquarters, Internet
(findu.com) and other "equipped" aircraft will also see on their GPS display
the position of the other search aircraft.
I am always interested what the rest of the world is doing.
My Email address is tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: airborne video and GPS tracking
>
>
> Tom Fisher,
>
> Tom could you send me your email address. I have a friend that has and
> airborne TV and GPS tracking set up for air craft that you can send TV
> pictures and GPS tracking back to a base station and can be sent anywhere
> over the internet. We are trying to get it set up for the USCG AUX.
>
> Jim Addington
> jtaddington(at)charter.net
> N444BD
>
>
> ----
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: airborne video and GPS tracking |
That would be quite interesting out here. Any particulars?
Bruce Campbell
Div 2, Dist 13
USCG Aux
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: airborne video and GPS tracking
>
>
> Tom Fisher,
>
> Tom could you send me your email address. I have a friend that has and
> airborne TV and GPS tracking set up for air craft that you can send TV
> pictures and GPS tracking back to a base station and can be sent anywhere
> over the internet. We are trying to get it set up for the USCG AUX.
>
> Jim Addington
> jtaddington(at)charter.net
> N444BD
>
>
> ----
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | airborne video and GPS tracking |
Bruce,
I have forwarded this to John Fullingim who has all of the information.
Are
you all still flying and have you had any problems getting orders?
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
Campbell
Subject: Re: Commander-List: airborne video and GPS tracking
That would be quite interesting out here. Any particulars?
Bruce Campbell
Div 2, Dist 13
USCG Aux
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Commander-List: airborne video and GPS tracking
>
>
> Tom Fisher,
>
> Tom could you send me your email address. I have a friend that has and
> airborne TV and GPS tracking set up for air craft that you can send TV
> pictures and GPS tracking back to a base station and can be sent anywhere
> over the internet. We are trying to get it set up for the USCG AUX.
>
> Jim Addington
> jtaddington(at)charter.net
> N444BD
>
>
> ----
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: airborne video and GPS tracking |
Tom,
Sounds a bit like the ADS-B development rig we are flying in development (
and a train load of competitors) which gives very precise relative
positions ( or all displayed on a moving map) plus all down linked to ATC
outlets, so all the same info. can be displayed as a quasi "radar" display
in ATC centres.
By late 05, all Australian airspace above 30,000, and about 90% above
20,000 will have this kind of coverage, by about 08, ADS-b will replace SSR
in all the areas now covered by SSR, primary and SSR radar will only be
retained around the major urban areas.
Given the equipment available in most modern airline aircraft, enabling the
up and down link via Mode S is little more than a software upgrade, but
widespread use of aircraft to aircraft TCAS type operations is somewhat
further off.
Just imagine what would happen if somebody turned the GPS off.
You can read a bucketload about all this in the Airservices Australia web
site, which I think is
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
>
>
>I do not recall discussing this subject on the net, however I am involved in
>sending real-time data from search aircraft to search headquarters, Internet
>(findu.com) and other "equipped" aircraft will also see on their GPS display
>the position of the other search aircraft.
>I am always interested what the rest of the world is doing.
>
>My Email address is tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca
>
>Tom F.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
>To: "COMMANDER-LIST"
>Subject: Commander-List: airborne video and GPS tracking
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Tom Fisher,
> >
> > Tom could you send me your email address. I have a friend that has and
> > airborne TV and GPS tracking set up for air craft that you can send TV
> > pictures and GPS tracking back to a base station and can be sent anywhere
> > over the internet. We are trying to get it set up for the USCG AUX.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > jtaddington(at)charter.net
> > N444BD
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: airborne video and GPS tracking |
Still flying. We've gotten about one mission per month. But the trend is
positive.
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: airborne video and GPS tracking
>
> Bruce,
>
> I have forwarded this to John Fullingim who has all of the
information. Are
> you all still flying and have you had any problems getting orders?
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce
> Campbell
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: airborne video and GPS tracking
>
>
>
>
> That would be quite interesting out here. Any particulars?
>
> Bruce Campbell
> Div 2, Dist 13
> USCG Aux
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
> To: "COMMANDER-LIST"
> Subject: Commander-List: airborne video and GPS tracking
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Tom Fisher,
> >
> > Tom could you send me your email address. I have a friend that has and
> > airborne TV and GPS tracking set up for air craft that you can send TV
> > pictures and GPS tracking back to a base station and can be sent
anywhere
> > over the internet. We are trying to get it set up for the USCG AUX.
> >
> > Jim Addington
> > jtaddington(at)charter.net
> > N444BD
> >
> >
> > ----
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Just a quick word of thanks to all - My 135 check-ride went very well
thanks to all of the great feedback from you all.
Just a note, the approach speed subject became a non issue when I pasted
a company supplemental statement in the flight manual pertaining to
various speeds and power settings to be used in our part 135 operations.
It appears that the FAA is fine with using standard (or preferred) power
settings or airspeeds that may differ from those in the old (1955 in our
case) flight manual as long as they are within a safe envelope and you
have them available to all pilot's as a standard operational procedure.
As for the zero thrust simulated engine out - same thing - 13" and 2400
rpm worked well for the examiner as well as the engines themselves. At
no time did he want or ask to push those limits or actually shutdown an
engine. Giving blood for the sake of a proficiency check was not
necessary.
Thanks again!
Kelly Piper
AirMatrix
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 135 Checkride |
In a message dated 10/31/03 15:24:42 Pacific Standard Time,
kellyp@air-matrix.com writes:
> Just a quick word of thanks to all - My 135 check-ride went very well
> thanks to all of the great feedback from you all.
>
Congratulations, Kelly!
Now you get to try the most ridiculous idea in aviation: making money by
flying an airplane.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
Congratulations Kelly;
Its always a good feeling to accomplish something worthwhile. And as
far as the 'Wing Commander" goes, if you can pay the bills, follow your
heart and do what you love to do!!!
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: Kelly Piper <kellyp@air-matrix.com>
> To:
> Date: 10/31/2003 6:23:55 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: 135 Checkride
>
<kellyp@air-matrix.com>
>
> Just a quick word of thanks to all - My 135 check-ride went very well
> thanks to all of the great feedback from you all.
>
> Just a note, the approach speed subject became a non issue when I pasted
> a company supplemental statement in the flight manual pertaining to
> various speeds and power settings to be used in our part 135 operations.
> It appears that the FAA is fine with using standard (or preferred) power
> settings or airspeeds that may differ from those in the old (1955 in our
> case) flight manual as long as they are within a safe envelope and you
> have them available to all pilot's as a standard operational procedure.
>
> As for the zero thrust simulated engine out - same thing - 13" and 2400
> rpm worked well for the examiner as well as the engines themselves. At
> no time did he want or ask to push those limits or actually shutdown an
> engine. Giving blood for the sake of a proficiency check was not
> necessary.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Kelly Piper
> AirMatrix
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: 135 Checkride |
Kelly,
Well done.
Best wishes,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>Just a quick word of thanks to all - My 135 check-ride went very well
>thanks to all of the great feedback from you all.
>
>Just a note, the approach speed subject became a non issue when I pasted
>a company supplemental statement in the flight manual pertaining to
>various speeds and power settings to be used in our part 135 operations.
>It appears that the FAA is fine with using standard (or preferred) power
>settings or airspeeds that may differ from those in the old (1955 in our
>case) flight manual as long as they are within a safe envelope and you
>have them available to all pilot's as a standard operational procedure.
>
>As for the zero thrust simulated engine out - same thing - 13" and 2400
>rpm worked well for the examiner as well as the engines themselves. At
>no time did he want or ask to push those limits or actually shutdown an
>engine. Giving blood for the sake of a proficiency check was not
>necessary.
>
>Thanks again!
>
>Kelly Piper
>AirMatrix
>
>
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I have just discovered that the last three engine overhaul shops in Canada
that still did overhauls on these engines no longer rebuild them.
My recent plans to purchase an aircraft with these engines all of a sudden
does not have a future.
The only options are the Mr. RPM conversion or the Merlyn (sp?) conversion.
I do not know enough about the Merlyn conversion other than you can
recognize it with the 4 bladed prop.
Does anyone out there have some information on the Merlyn conversion?
How do the two conversions compare to each other?
In addition, anyone know of any available 680FL or FLP aircraft (for a
reasonable price) with one of the above conversions?
I have just had a potential sale go flat so I am in the mood.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly Piper" <kellyp@air-matrix.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 135 Checkride
<kellyp@air-matrix.com>
>
> Just a quick word of thanks to all - My 135 check-ride went very well
> thanks to all of the great feedback from you all.
>
> Just a note, the approach speed subject became a non issue when I pasted
> a company supplemental statement in the flight manual pertaining to
> various speeds and power settings to be used in our part 135 operations.
> It appears that the FAA is fine with using standard (or preferred) power
> settings or airspeeds that may differ from those in the old (1955 in our
> case) flight manual as long as they are within a safe envelope and you
> have them available to all pilot's as a standard operational procedure.
>
> As for the zero thrust simulated engine out - same thing - 13" and 2400
> rpm worked well for the examiner as well as the engines themselves. At
> no time did he want or ask to push those limits or actually shutdown an
> engine. Giving blood for the sake of a proficiency check was not
> necessary.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Kelly Piper
> AirMatrix
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
Tom,
If you don't mind sending your IGSO-540s to a foreign country, they're well
supported by:
George Czarnecki
Central Cylinder
6315 Lindbergh Dr
Omaha NE 68110 USA
tel. 402-451-6468
fax. 402-451-3202
dan(at)centralcylinder.com
Central Cylinder Service, Inc. ~ Aircraft Engine Rebuilders ~
centralcylinder.com
Next, the Merlyn conversion (to my knowledge) has only been done on the 500-B
and probably by now a 500-S, but has yet to be hung on the long bodies.
The Merlyn conversion uses a variant of the Lycoming Lycoming TIO-540-J2B(D)
engine which you'll be familiar with from the Piper Navajo series.
The MR. RPM conversion, as you know, is STC'd on the 680-F series. Wind
Dancer Aviation Services holds the that STC now, if I'm not mistaken.
Identifier
Contact Tylor Hall -- there are a few 680-FL airframes around that could be
good candidates for the conversion and one of his clients pushed along some of
the groundwork on such a project.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | IGSO-540 / Merlyn Conversion/Wind Dancer |
Tom, all,
All the text of my note about IGSO-540 support and the MR. RPM conversion and
Wind Dancer Aviation got sent out as a hyper link.
Wind Dancer's web address is:
www.winddancer.aero
Note the very cool .aero domain name! Way to go, Tylor.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
One route I could go would leave me with a pair of "firewall forward"
engines.
Is there a market for them?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: IGSO540
>
> Tom,
>
> If you don't mind sending your IGSO-540s to a foreign country, they're
well
> supported by:
>
> George Czarnecki
> Central Cylinder
> 6315 Lindbergh Dr
> Omaha NE 68110 USA
>
> tel. 402-451-6468
> fax. 402-451-3202
> dan(at)centralcylinder.com
>
> Central Cylinder Service, Inc.
~ Aircraft Engine Rebuilders ~
> centralcylinder.com
>
> Next, the Merlyn conversion (to my knowledge) has only been done on the
500-B
> and probably by now a 500-S, but has yet to be hung on the long bodies.
>
> The Merlyn conversion uses a variant of the Lycoming Lycoming
TIO-540-J2B(D)
> engine which you'll be familiar with from the Piper Navajo series.
>
> The MR. RPM conversion, as you know, is STC'd on the 680-F series. Wind
> Dancer Aviation Services holds the that STC now, if I'm not mistaken.
>
> Identifier
>
> Contact Tylor Hall -- there are a few 680-FL airframes around that could
be
> good candidates for the conversion and one of his clients pushed along
some of
> the groundwork on such a project.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
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| From: | jlyle <jlyle(at)thomsonaviation.com> |
I am hoping to get the Commander ready to test fly on Wednesday.
We plan to take care of any required items on Thursday and/or Friday and have time
to get familiar with her again on Friday/Saturday.
Would be happy to show off N11L and gain from your experience.
James Lyle
N11L
Thomson, Georgia (HQU)
>
> Cliff,
> We need to take a RV-8 trip to Thomson, GA!
> Crunk
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> |
James,
We cheated. Cliff and I flew out in my new RV-8 and got a sneak preview.
It looks Great!
Jim Crunkleton
PS We did 197 kts out, but only 155 kts back.
________________________________________________________________________________
Brucelandair in Canada has a MR RPM Conversion for sale.
Call Merv @ 800-463-6457
Gary - Commander-Aero
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom
Fisher
Subject: Commander-List: IGSO540
I have just discovered that the last three engine overhaul shops in Canada
that still did overhauls on these engines no longer rebuild them.
My recent plans to purchase an aircraft with these engines all of a sudden
does not have a future.
The only options are the Mr. RPM conversion or the Merlyn (sp?) conversion.
I do not know enough about the Merlyn conversion other than you can
recognize it with the 4 bladed prop.
Does anyone out there have some information on the Merlyn conversion?
How do the two conversions compare to each other?
In addition, anyone know of any available 680FL or FLP aircraft (for a
reasonable price) with one of the above conversions?
I have just had a potential sale go flat so I am in the mood.
Tom F.
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From: "Kelly Piper" <kellyp@air-matrix.com>
Subject: Commander-List: 135 Checkride
<kellyp@air-matrix.com>
>
> Just a quick word of thanks to all - My 135 check-ride went very well
> thanks to all of the great feedback from you all.
>
> Just a note, the approach speed subject became a non issue when I pasted
> a company supplemental statement in the flight manual pertaining to
> various speeds and power settings to be used in our part 135 operations.
> It appears that the FAA is fine with using standard (or preferred) power
> settings or airspeeds that may differ from those in the old (1955 in our
> case) flight manual as long as they are within a safe envelope and you
> have them available to all pilot's as a standard operational procedure.
>
> As for the zero thrust simulated engine out - same thing - 13" and 2400
> rpm worked well for the examiner as well as the engines themselves. At
> no time did he want or ask to push those limits or actually shutdown an
> engine. Giving blood for the sake of a proficiency check was not
> necessary.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Kelly Piper
> AirMatrix
>
>
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
All,
This week I have hauled the 500A into the hangar for some long required
TLC, and a bunch of new gear.
As will surprise no one, some of the skins on the horizontal stab and the
elevators and aileron have enough corrosion to make a re-skin job the smart
way to go.
Fortunatley, all the corrosion ( not all that much for a 1962 aeroplane
that has always lived in a damp atmosphere, very close to the sea for much
of the time) is just in the ribbed skins. All in all, the rest looks like
only minor repairs.
The question is, where is the best place to obtain supplies of the ribbed
shin, either in bulk to be cut as required, or as cut for the 500 airframe.
All suggestions welcome.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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This gentleman should be able to help you.
Gary - Commander Aero
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of W J R
HAMILTON
Subject: Commander-List: Aileron Skins.
All,
This week I have hauled the 500A into the hangar for some long required
TLC, and a bunch of new gear.
As will surprise no one, some of the skins on the horizontal stab and the
elevators and aileron have enough corrosion to make a re-skin job the smart
way to go.
Fortunatley, all the corrosion ( not all that much for a 1962 aeroplane
that has always lived in a damp atmosphere, very close to the sea for much
of the time) is just in the ribbed skins. All in all, the rest looks like
only minor repairs.
The question is, where is the best place to obtain supplies of the ribbed
shin, either in bulk to be cut as required, or as cut for the 500 airframe.
All suggestions welcome.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
Sorry to have been so silent, I was gone for 9 days on a cruse with Sue IT
WAS GREAT!! There is a turbo system reportedly for a Commander, on ebay,
$3000. ?? jb
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| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
Does anybody have a suggestion on getting a key for my door for a 500B?
dan farmer
---------------------------------
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 11/05/03 20:36:01 Pacific Standard Time,
daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com writes:
> Does anybody have a suggestion on getting a key for my door for a 500B?
Dan,
The truth is that the original locks on just about all AeroCommanders and
AeroStars are the same.
If you can find someone with a Commander or AeroStar around your field that
hasn't had the lock re-keyed, ask for a duplicate.
Otherwise, this could be a good time to have a locksmith out to rekey your
lock.
Many owners have also put locks on the fuel sump drain door to prevent fuel
theft.
A popular type of lock is the cylindrical key type.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
Gary,
Thanks you very much for that, most appreciated. I am going to get a lot of
practice brushing up on my sheet metal working skills.
Considering the aeroplane has spent all it's life in a damp climate ( New
Zealand isn't green for nothing) and always close to the sea ( can't get
lost in NZ, just fly E or W for never more than about 70 miles, and you
will find a coastline) there is remarkably little corrosion, what there is
largely from paint knocked of by flying stone.
Best regards,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>Karl Anderson
>1-360-757-1946
>Bow, Washington
>This gentleman should be able to help you.
>Gary - Commander Aero
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of W J R
>HAMILTON
>To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Commander-List: Aileron Skins.
>
>
>
>
>
>All,
>This week I have hauled the 500A into the hangar for some long required
>TLC, and a bunch of new gear.
>As will surprise no one, some of the skins on the horizontal stab and the
>elevators and aileron have enough corrosion to make a re-skin job the smart
>way to go.
>Fortunatley, all the corrosion ( not all that much for a 1962 aeroplane
>that has always lived in a damp atmosphere, very close to the sea for much
>of the time) is just in the ribbed skins. All in all, the rest looks like
>only minor repairs.
>The question is, where is the best place to obtain supplies of the ribbed
>shin, either in bulk to be cut as required, or as cut for the 500 airframe.
>All suggestions welcome.
>Cheers,
>Bill Hamilton
>
>
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| From: | W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au> |
All,
With my 500A, the original lock was long gone, and a furniture door lock
and handle had been substituted ( must have been good enough, the same
thing is the canopy lock on a Fletcher canopy) and I finally found a spare
on a long dead 560 at FAAA, Tahiti.
I had to remake the internals so that the tongue of the lock actually
engaged in a slot, the original slot was so worn, and the tongue so worn,
that you could open the door even when it was "nominally" locked.
If you don't confuse yourself with a 337, ( and I think I can justify such
a minor mode under the regs) it will take 30 minutes to put a commercial
lock on the fuel drain door.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
>
>In a message dated 11/05/03 20:36:01 Pacific Standard Time,
>daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com writes:
>
> > Does anybody have a suggestion on getting a key for my door for a 500B?
>
>Dan,
>
>The truth is that the original locks on just about all AeroCommanders and
>AeroStars are the same.
>
>If you can find someone with a Commander or AeroStar around your field that
>hasn't had the lock re-keyed, ask for a duplicate.
>
>Otherwise, this could be a good time to have a locksmith out to rekey your
>lock.
>
>Many owners have also put locks on the fuel sump drain door to prevent fuel
>theft.
>
>A popular type of lock is the cylindrical key type.
>
>Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
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| Subject: | Instruments for Sale |
pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com, commander-list(at)matronics.com,
aerobatic-list(at)matronics.com, europa-list(at)matronics.com
I have the following for sale:
RC Allen Electric Attitude Indicator with 8 degree tilt, 14V, approx. 75hrs
RC Allen Electric Direction Gyro, 14V, 150 hrs,
Both instruments are in my RV-8A still flying. Been flying in my plane for 1
year.
Instruments retail for $1895 each. Make an offer off list. Please respond
direct to: lenleg(at)aol.com
Len Leggette, RV-8A
Greensboro, NC N910LL
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| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest
Server wrote:
> Does anybody have a suggestion on getting a key for my door for a 500B?
>
> dan farmer
Sure, just copy an Commander key.....whoops, did I say that out loud???
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I tried to get copies of my key and the local shops did not have any blank
keys that matched.
I ended up ordering some keys from someplace (I would have to research
where).
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Keys
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest
> Server wrote:
>
> > Does anybody have a suggestion on getting a key for my door for a 500B?
> >
> > dan farmer
>
> Sure, just copy an Commander key.....whoops, did I say that out loud???
>
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
Thanks Capt. Jimbob.
Mike Boyce is bidding.
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: TURBOS
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Sorry to have been so silent, I was gone for 9 days on a cruse with Sue
IT
> WAS GREAT!! There is a turbo system reportedly for a Commander, on ebay,
> $3000. ?? jb
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 11/6/2003 1:33:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
avtec2(at)bellsouth.net writes:
> Thanks Capt. Jimbob.
> Mike Boyce is bidding.
>
GOOD LUCK!! jb
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| From: | "Tylor Hall" <tylor(at)winddancer.aero> |
We have the tech support for the kit. I am sure you will need something.
I have all the drawings.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
970-731-2127
Subject: Re: Commander-List: TURBOS
> Mike Boyce is bidding.
>
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| From: | "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> |
When I went to get some spares made, the hardware store told me the
'blanks' were the same as the old Chrysler keys. And they worked in my
560E.
Don
> [Original Message]
> From: Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net>
> To:
> Date: 11/6/03 12:31:33 PM
> Subject: Commander-List: Keys
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest
> Server wrote:
>
> > Does anybody have a suggestion on getting a key for my door for a 500B?
> >
> > dan farmer
>
> Sure, just copy an Commander key.....whoops, did I say that out loud???
>
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
>
>
>
--- Lowell Girod
--- dongirod(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
We Purchased the Kit on E-Bay.
We will Need a STC for 500B,
N110WB
Thanks Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor(at)winddancer.aero>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: TURBOS
>
> We have the tech support for the kit. I am sure you will need something.
> I have all the drawings.
> Regards,
> Tylor Hall
> Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> 970-731-2127
>
>
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: TURBOS
>
> > Mike Boyce is bidding.
> >
>
>
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| From: | "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
| Subject: | 400CH & 680RR in Vegas |
After a long flight back from pheasant/duck hunting in Kansas, we landed
N400CH in Las Vegas to find Moe Mills' N680RR parked across the ramp at
VGT. Great looking bird, Moe! That's certainly a unique paint scheme!
For those who travel with dogs, we found a great new travel kennel. The
Portable Pet Home from PetMate is a soft-sided canvas kennel that zips
together into a stout travel home with a sheepskin floor. It works great
in the plane and held up to the rigors of travel and hunting with a big dog!
Brock Lorber
N400CH
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| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 11/7/2003 6:41:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, blorber(at)vegasfc.com
writes:
> For those who travel with dogs, we found a great new travel kennel. The Portable
Pet Home from PetMate is a soft-sided canvas kennel that zips together into
a stout travel home with a sheepskin floor. <
Brock,
Where did you get this? I occasionally have some idiot show up (as a guest, none
the less) with a dog and wants to put it on the jet.
Dog owners need to have licenses, not the dogs, but that's another story. Anyway,
I'd appreciate any info you could post on where to find travel kennels and
straight jackets for pax.
Wing Commander Gordon
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| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
My Pointer is one of the reasons I want an FLP, I need the extra five feet
for him and his supplies.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Dog Kennel?
>
> In a message dated 11/7/2003 6:41:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
blorber(at)vegasfc.com writes:
>
> > For those who travel with dogs, we found a great new travel kennel. The
Portable Pet Home from PetMate is a soft-sided canvas kennel that zips
together into a stout travel home with a sheepskin floor. <
>
> Brock,
>
> Where did you get this? I occasionally have some idiot show up (as a
guest, none the less) with a dog and wants to put it on the jet.
>
> Dog owners need to have licenses, not the dogs, but that's another story.
Anyway, I'd appreciate any info you could post on where to find travel
kennels and straight jackets for pax.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 400CH & 680RR in Vegas |
Brock,
Thanks for the kind words. I and some of our salespeople were shuttling
between Las Vegas and El Segundo (HHR airport). We displayed at the SEMA show
there. A 680F(p) is over twice as fast a a B 737 on this trip.
Moe Mills
N680RR
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| From: | "James Sullivan" <f9sully(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Deice for Hartzell props |
Hello all-
I am considering purchasing a 500 that doesn't have prop deice. Does anyone
know how hard/expensive it is to fit deice to existing Hartzell
HCC3YR-2CVFs?
Also who does nice paint and interior work? I have a quote from Downtown.
They seem to do nice work.
Fly Safe!
Jim Sullivan
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| From: | JBOBSTER(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Deice for Hartzell props |
Nice Paint Work = Sunquest Air Specialties, Everett, WA (Paine Field)
Nice Interior Work= Aircraft Interior Technologies Kelso WA
Jim Carroll
Seattle WA
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| From: | "Tom Bijou" <tom(at)bhmassociates.com> |
| Subject: | Deice for Hartzell props |
Jim
I like Jim Miller Aircraft painting at the Uvalde TX airport for paint,
speak with Chad Doyle who is the owner. For interiors it is hard to beat
the price and service of JBS Interiors at the Addison, TX airport, Steve
Brinlee is the owner 972-365-9982. You can see examples of the paint and
interior on my web site www.bhmassociates.com the 840 has both new paint
and interior and the 1000 new interior done by these guys. The 900
commander on my web site was done by downtown about 18 months ago by its
prior owner, I am not impressed by the quality of the interior, but the
paint has held up well.
Tom Bijou
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of James
Sullivan
Subject: Commander-List: Deice for Hartzell props
Hello all-
I am considering purchasing a 500 that doesn't have prop deice. Does anyone
know how hard/expensive it is to fit deice to existing Hartzell
HCC3YR-2CVFs?
Also who does nice paint and interior work? I have a quote from Downtown.
They seem to do nice work.
Fly Safe!
Jim Sullivan
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Deice for Hartzell props |
In a message dated 11/9/2003 3:34:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,
f9sully(at)comcast.net writes:
> I am considering purchasing a 500 that doesn't have prop deice. Does
> anyone
> know how hard/expensive it is to fit deice to existing Hartzell
> HCC3YR-2CVFs?
>
Installing the propeller boots (electric) is about $300 per blade. The slip
rings and brush blocks another $10000 or so per side. You may also need to up
the alternator output??
Alcohol prop are cheaper. Central Air in Kansas City is operating 35
Commanders with Alcohol props and it works well. I don't know what the cost
is but it would be much less expensive than electric jb
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| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
Hi folks,
The website for my book is up and running. As yet there is no release date for
the book, but I believe it will be available some time early next year.
Thanks to the TCFG folks for allowing me to use some of their pictures and also
to Jim Addington for his picture of his beautiful 500A.
The website is www.JoshStaffordBooks.com - let me know what you think, please.
Best regards,
Andrew.
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| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
From: Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 08:19:10 PM US/Pacific
Subject: Leave
This is awesome....perhaps the left ought to open their eyes....
Dear Friends and Family, I hope that you will spare me a few minutes of
your
time to tell you about something that I saw on Monday, October 27. I had
been
attending a conference in Annapolis and was coming home on Sunday. As
you may
recall, Los Angeles International Airport was closed on Sunday, October
26,
because of the fires that affected air traffic control. Accordingly, my
flight,
and many others, were canceled and I wound up spending a night in
Baltimore.
My story begins the next day. When I went to check in at the United
counter
Monday morning I saw a lot of soldiers home from Iraq. Most were very
young and
all had on their desert camouflage uniforms. This was as change from
earlier,
when they had to buy civilian clothes in Kuwait to fly home. It was a
visible
reminder that we are in a war. It probably was pretty close to what train
terminals were like in World War II.
Many people were stopping the troops to talk to them, asking them
questions
in the Starbucks line or just saying "Welcome Home." In addition to all
the
flights that had been canceled on Sunday, the weather was terrible in
Baltimore
and the flights were backed up. So, there were a lot of unhappy people
in the
terminal trying to get home, but nobody that I saw gave the soldiers a
bad
time.
By the afternoon, one plane to Denver had been delayed several hours.
United
personnel kept asking for volunteers to give up their seats and take
another
flight. They weren't getting many takers. Finally, a United spokeswoman
got on
the PA and said this, "Folks. As you can see, there are a lot of
soldiers in
the waiting area. They only have 14 days of leave and we're trying to
get them
where they need to go without spending any more time in an airport then
they
have to. We sold them all tickets, knowing we would oversell the flight.
If we
can, we want to get them all on this flight. We want all the soldiers to
know
that we respect what you're doing, we are here for you and we love you."
At that, the entire terminal of cranky, tired, travel-weary people, a
cross-section of America, broke into sustained and heartfelt applause.
The soldiers
looked surprised and very modest. Most of them just looked at their
boots. Many
of us were wiping away tears.
And, yes, people lined up to take the later flight and all the soldiers
went
to Denver on that flight. That little moment made me proud to be an
American,
and also told me why we will win this war.
If you want to send my little story on to your friends and family, feel
free.
This is not some urban legend. I was there, I was part of it, I saw it
happen.
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| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
COOL!
Hey...I love checking the "urban myth" page and finding out that this is
true:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/onleave.asp
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Leave
>
> From: Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net>
> Date: Mon Nov 10, 2003 08:19:10 PM US/Pacific
> To: Flying, Baby
> Subject: Leave
>
> This is awesome....perhaps the left ought to open their eyes....
>
> Dear Friends and Family, I hope that you will spare me a few minutes of
> your
> time to tell you about something that I saw on Monday, October 27. I had
> been
> attending a conference in Annapolis and was coming home on Sunday. As
> you may
> recall, Los Angeles International Airport was closed on Sunday, October
> 26,
> because of the fires that affected air traffic control. Accordingly, my
> flight,
> and many others, were canceled and I wound up spending a night in
> Baltimore.
>
> My story begins the next day. When I went to check in at the United
> counter
> Monday morning I saw a lot of soldiers home from Iraq. Most were very
> young and
> all had on their desert camouflage uniforms. This was as change from
> earlier,
> when they had to buy civilian clothes in Kuwait to fly home. It was a
> visible
> reminder that we are in a war. It probably was pretty close to what train
> terminals were like in World War II.
>
> Many people were stopping the troops to talk to them, asking them
> questions
> in the Starbucks line or just saying "Welcome Home." In addition to all
> the
> flights that had been canceled on Sunday, the weather was terrible in
> Baltimore
> and the flights were backed up. So, there were a lot of unhappy people
> in the
> terminal trying to get home, but nobody that I saw gave the soldiers a
> bad
> time.
>
> By the afternoon, one plane to Denver had been delayed several hours.
> United
> personnel kept asking for volunteers to give up their seats and take
> another
> flight. They weren't getting many takers. Finally, a United spokeswoman
> got on
> the PA and said this, "Folks. As you can see, there are a lot of
> soldiers in
> the waiting area. They only have 14 days of leave and we're trying to
> get them
> where they need to go without spending any more time in an airport then
> they
> have to. We sold them all tickets, knowing we would oversell the flight.
> If we
> can, we want to get them all on this flight. We want all the soldiers to
> know
> that we respect what you're doing, we are here for you and we love you."
>
> At that, the entire terminal of cranky, tired, travel-weary people, a
> cross-section of America, broke into sustained and heartfelt applause.
> The soldiers
> looked surprised and very modest. Most of them just looked at their
> boots. Many
> of us were wiping away tears.
>
> And, yes, people lined up to take the later flight and all the soldiers
> went
> to Denver on that flight. That little moment made me proud to be an
> American,
> and also told me why we will win this war.
>
> If you want to send my little story on to your friends and family, feel
> free.
> This is not some urban legend. I was there, I was part of it, I saw it
> happen.
>
> Will Ross, Administrative Judge United States Department of Defense
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
Too Cool!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | A BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND |
HI KIDS....
I had a big week planed for the Commander. Today would have
been a trip to Aurora for an appraisal. Tomorrow I had a trip to Olympia
planed for a visit to the State house on biz. Wed would have found me landing
at a
small grass strip to do appraisals on 5 airplanes involved in an estate
settlement. Oh well.
As I pushed the power up on the TO roll today, the LH engine would not
make power. I aborted the TO and after some looking and a conference with
Yoda, it has been determined that the blower has failed. The engine just turned
1400 hrs (if the logs can be believed) The good news (if there is any) is
that it happened at home and the airplane is not damaged. The bad news is I a
grounded until further notice or until i hit the lottery. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND |
Jimbob,
Sorry, but I think that's ALL GOOD NEWS! When I see the subject line "A Bad
Day in Commanderland", I just get scared. 2003 especially has seen too many
emails with this subject line that reflected a loss of an airplane, or even
worse, a loss of life....in a few cases an acquaintance or friend. I for one
am glad that your trashed blower resulted in an aborted takeoff, and didn't
happen when you were, oh, 100' AGL after rotation!
Keep the faith Jim.....maybe a fresh blower will come your way SOON!
/John
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: A BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND
>
> HI KIDS....
>
> I had a big week planed for the Commander. Today would
have
> been a trip to Aurora for an appraisal. Tomorrow I had a trip to Olympia
> planed for a visit to the State house on biz. Wed would have found me
landing at a
> small grass strip to do appraisals on 5 airplanes involved in an estate
> settlement. Oh well.
> As I pushed the power up on the TO roll today, the LH engine would
not
> make power. I aborted the TO and after some looking and a conference with
> Yoda, it has been determined that the blower has failed. The engine just
turned
> 1400 hrs (if the logs can be believed) The good news (if there is any) is
> that it happened at home and the airplane is not damaged. The bad news is
I a
> grounded until further notice or until i hit the lottery. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND |
You're just trying to make me feel good.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: A BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND
>
> HI KIDS....
>
> I had a big week planed for the Commander. Today would
have
> been a trip to Aurora for an appraisal. Tomorrow I had a trip to Olympia
> planed for a visit to the State house on biz. Wed would have found me
landing at a
> small grass strip to do appraisals on 5 airplanes involved in an estate
> settlement. Oh well.
> As I pushed the power up on the TO roll today, the LH engine would
not
> make power. I aborted the TO and after some looking and a conference with
> Yoda, it has been determined that the blower has failed. The engine just
turned
> 1400 hrs (if the logs can be believed) The good news (if there is any) is
> that it happened at home and the airplane is not damaged. The bad news is
I a
> grounded until further notice or until i hit the lottery. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND |
Of any group, I'm betting that the folks on this list can certainly be
the most understanding of what it feels like to face a big airplane bill
JB. Just keep in mind that you really couldn't ask for a better
outcome. You had a big, high power engine that hauled your tail all
over the planet without complaint... it ran all the way to TBO (probably
well past calendar time) and then gave you a nice, non-emergency notice
that it had done it's job with pride and was ready to retire. Many
owners could only be so lucky.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | There are TWO crazies amongst us??? |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 11:58 PM, Bruce Campbell wrote:
> My YAK and my Commander both use 24V.
Just when I thought I had the corner on the Ted
Smith/Pinko-commie-rat-bastard airplane design combination!
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: A (not so) BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND |
Yes, my immediate instinct was "oh, no... not another one lost". Sad that it
happened, but glad it happened this way.
Premonition once save a friend's life. He had to takeoff one night off a
dark unlighted strip but wasn't comfortable and decided to go the next
morning. The next day was a beautiful day. After liftoff, his vacuum pump
failed...
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: A BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND
>
> Jimbob,
>
> Sorry, but I think that's ALL GOOD NEWS! When I see the subject line "A
Bad
> Day in Commanderland", I just get scared. 2003 especially has seen too
many
> emails with this subject line that reflected a loss of an airplane, or
even
> worse, a loss of life....in a few cases an acquaintance or friend. I for
one
> am glad that your trashed blower resulted in an aborted takeoff, and
didn't
> happen when you were, oh, 100' AGL after rotation!
>
> Keep the faith Jim.....maybe a fresh blower will come your way SOON!
>
> /John
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: A BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND
>
>
> >
> > HI KIDS....
> >
> > I had a big week planed for the Commander. Today would
> have
> > been a trip to Aurora for an appraisal. Tomorrow I had a trip to Olympia
> > planed for a visit to the State house on biz. Wed would have found me
> landing at a
> > small grass strip to do appraisals on 5 airplanes involved in an estate
> > settlement. Oh well.
> > As I pushed the power up on the TO roll today, the LH engine
would
> not
> > make power. I aborted the TO and after some looking and a conference
with
> > Yoda, it has been determined that the blower has failed. The engine
just
> turned
> > 1400 hrs (if the logs can be believed) The good news (if there is any)
is
> > that it happened at home and the airplane is not damaged. The bad news
is
> I a
> > grounded until further notice or until i hit the lottery. jb
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: A (not so) BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND |
JB Let me Know what you Need!
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: A (not so) BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND
>
> Yes, my immediate instinct was "oh, no... not another one lost". Sad that
it
> happened, but glad it happened this way.
> Premonition once save a friend's life. He had to takeoff one night off a
> dark unlighted strip but wasn't comfortable and decided to go the next
> morning. The next day was a beautiful day. After liftoff, his vacuum pump
> failed...
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: A BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND
>
>
> >
> > Jimbob,
> >
> > Sorry, but I think that's ALL GOOD NEWS! When I see the subject line "A
> Bad
> > Day in Commanderland", I just get scared. 2003 especially has seen too
> many
> > emails with this subject line that reflected a loss of an airplane, or
> even
> > worse, a loss of life....in a few cases an acquaintance or friend. I for
> one
> > am glad that your trashed blower resulted in an aborted takeoff, and
> didn't
> > happen when you were, oh, 100' AGL after rotation!
> >
> > Keep the faith Jim.....maybe a fresh blower will come your way SOON!
> >
> > /John
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: A BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND
> >
> >
> > >
> > > HI KIDS....
> > >
> > > I had a big week planed for the Commander. Today
would
> > have
> > > been a trip to Aurora for an appraisal. Tomorrow I had a trip to
Olympia
> > > planed for a visit to the State house on biz. Wed would have found me
> > landing at a
> > > small grass strip to do appraisals on 5 airplanes involved in an
estate
> > > settlement. Oh well.
> > > As I pushed the power up on the TO roll today, the LH engine
> would
> > not
> > > make power. I aborted the TO and after some looking and a conference
> with
> > > Yoda, it has been determined that the blower has failed. The engine
> just
> > turned
> > > 1400 hrs (if the logs can be believed) The good news (if there is
any)
> is
> > > that it happened at home and the airplane is not damaged. The bad
news
> is
> > I a
> > > grounded until further notice or until i hit the lottery. jb
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: A (not so) BAD DAY IN COMMANDERLAND |
In a message dated 11/12/2003 2:21:09 PM Pacific Standard Time,
avtec2(at)bellsouth.net writes:
> JB Let me Know what you Need!
>
Thanks!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Wow JimBob...
That's quite a story. I echo all the comments about your good fortune to have
sucessfully aborted a takeoff that could have ruined your whole day...and life.
We're glad you're alive and well to tell us about it.
Speaking of recent flying...I just returned from your neck of the woods. Spent
the last two days in Seattle on business, with very pleasant flights in my 680F
up and back from San Luis Obispo, CA (SBP). Weather was typical Pacific Northwest
(clouds, and more clouds) going up, and then gorgeous clear skies coming
back today...til reaching about 30 miles north of SBP where it was raining.
Now, that's unusual. Anyway, enjoyed the beautiful countryside, as usual, in
your area and the mountains were spectacular. The 680F ran like a top...fast
and comfy. What a way to travel...!!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "James Sullivan" <f9sully(at)comcast.net> |
| Subject: | Yoda's cell phone # |
Can someone please e-mail me Yoda's cell phone number? I have a question
about a Shrike he looked at awhile back.
Thanks,
Jim Sullivan
F9sully(at)comcast.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MRP <mrp37(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Yoda's cell phone # |
James,
Morris Kernick
510-783-3028
Good Luck,
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Yoda's cell phone # |
In a message dated 11/12/2003 8:11:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
mrp37(at)mindspring.com writes:
> Morris Kernick
> 510-783-3028
>
Try 321-403-8813 jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Blown Blower |
In a message dated 11/12/2003 6:23:02 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rcdettmer(at)charter.net writes:
> What a way to travel...!!
Amen!! I already miss triple 2. I drove to OLY today. 2.5 hours each way.
It is 30 "commanderminutes" It will be a real bummer. I am formulating a
plan to get back in the air short of spending 30K for a fresh engine. Glad you
had a great ride. Stop in and see me sometime!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Yoda's cell phone # |
321 403-8813
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Sullivan" <f9sully(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Yoda's cell phone #
>
> Can someone please e-mail me Yoda's cell phone number? I have a question
> about a Shrike he looked at awhile back.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Sullivan
>
> F9sully(at)comcast.net
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | If you only knew... |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 11:55 PM, John V. wrote:
> I for one
> am glad that your trashed blower resulted in an aborted takeoff, and
> didn't
> happen when you were, oh, 100' AGL after rotation!
Well, in the case of a 500 series Commander that might be an issue. But
we
Commander on Steroids drivers just wind the clock,
pitch UP to blue line, and carry on... :)
Because more power is never enough,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tylor Hall" <tylor(at)winddancer.aero> |
| Subject: | Bob Hover in the news |
SHRIKE COMMANDER MAKES LAST FLIGHT
Airshow legend Bob Hoover made one final historic flight in his famous
Shrike Commander last month. The aircraft had been on loan to the
International Sport Aviation Museum in Lakeland, Florida, until it could be
displayed in the new Air and Space Museum annex in northern Virginia, which
opens next month. Hoover took off with his longtime friend, Steve Clegg, and
flew his last flight in the famously green and white business aircraft to
Washington, D.C. Hoover did a spectacular fly-by over the museum facility at
Washington Dulles International Airport. Hoover said he shot more than 3,000
dead-stick landings in the airplane.
Regards,
Tylor Hall
Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
970-731-2127
________________________________________________________________________________
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
A friend gave me the Bob Hoover video and I relished in all the hangar talk
that he and Chuck Yeager engaged in. I saw Bob fly in South Africa some
years back when he performed at Lanseria. It is truly a great legend that
hung his hat and stirrups when he believed the time was right. What a great
icon of general aviation!
Have a great retirement, Bob!
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor(at)winddancer.aero>
Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> SHRIKE COMMANDER MAKES LAST FLIGHT
> Airshow legend Bob Hoover made one final historic flight in his famous
> Shrike Commander last month. The aircraft had been on loan to the
> International Sport Aviation Museum in Lakeland, Florida, until it could
be
> displayed in the new Air and Space Museum annex in northern Virginia,
which
> opens next month. Hoover took off with his longtime friend, Steve Clegg,
and
> flew his last flight in the famously green and white business aircraft to
> Washington, D.C. Hoover did a spectacular fly-by over the museum facility
at
> Washington Dulles International Airport. Hoover said he shot more than
3,000
> dead-stick landings in the airplane.
>
> Regards,
> Tylor Hall
> Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> 970-731-2127
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
I think only the airplane went into the museum.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> A friend gave me the Bob Hoover video and I relished in all the hangar
talk
> that he and Chuck Yeager engaged in. I saw Bob fly in South Africa some
> years back when he performed at Lanseria. It is truly a great legend that
> hung his hat and stirrups when he believed the time was right. What a
great
> icon of general aviation!
> Have a great retirement, Bob!
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor(at)winddancer.aero>
> To: "Commander-List"
> Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
> >
> > SHRIKE COMMANDER MAKES LAST FLIGHT
> > Airshow legend Bob Hoover made one final historic flight in his famous
> > Shrike Commander last month. The aircraft had been on loan to the
> > International Sport Aviation Museum in Lakeland, Florida, until it could
> be
> > displayed in the new Air and Space Museum annex in northern Virginia,
> which
> > opens next month. Hoover took off with his longtime friend, Steve Clegg,
> and
> > flew his last flight in the famously green and white business aircraft
to
> > Washington, D.C. Hoover did a spectacular fly-by over the museum
facility
> at
> > Washington Dulles International Airport. Hoover said he shot more than
> 3,000
> > dead-stick landings in the airplane.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tylor Hall
> > Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> > 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> > 970-731-2127
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
I spoke to Bob in Arlington in 1998 just before I bought my 500B.
It would be nice to hear from Bob on this site.
Perhaps we should give him an honorary membership and try to get him on-line
although I do not know if he is "geeky" enough to navigate this forum.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> A friend gave me the Bob Hoover video and I relished in all the hangar
talk
> that he and Chuck Yeager engaged in. I saw Bob fly in South Africa some
> years back when he performed at Lanseria. It is truly a great legend that
> hung his hat and stirrups when he believed the time was right. What a
great
> icon of general aviation!
> Have a great retirement, Bob!
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tylor Hall" <tylor(at)winddancer.aero>
> To: "Commander-List"
> Subject: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
> >
> > SHRIKE COMMANDER MAKES LAST FLIGHT
> > Airshow legend Bob Hoover made one final historic flight in his famous
> > Shrike Commander last month. The aircraft had been on loan to the
> > International Sport Aviation Museum in Lakeland, Florida, until it could
> be
> > displayed in the new Air and Space Museum annex in northern Virginia,
> which
> > opens next month. Hoover took off with his longtime friend, Steve Clegg,
> and
> > flew his last flight in the famously green and white business aircraft
to
> > Washington, D.C. Hoover did a spectacular fly-by over the museum
facility
> at
> > Washington Dulles International Airport. Hoover said he shot more than
> 3,000
> > dead-stick landings in the airplane.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tylor Hall
> > Wind Dancer Aviation Services, Inc.
> > 2V1, Pagosa Springs, CO
> > 970-731-2127
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
MR. WILLIS, With the 560E in Alaska, please contact me. Thanks jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
Jim There is a pair of Columbia overhauled engine in wings on line.
9TwinBOW550(at)Aol.com
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: MR. WILLIS
>
> MR. WILLIS, With the 560E in Alaska, please contact me. Thanks jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Barshalom(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
Nico,
What Hoover video do you have? I would like to purchase one if it is still
available.
Thanks,
Bill in TN
500B
N69PT
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
I have one of Hoover's video as well.
I would like to view/purchase a couple more then the one I have (I will get
the name later).
Dose Bob have a web site (maybe one of his kids set it up)?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Barshalom(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> Nico,
>
> What Hoover video do you have? I would like to purchase one if it is still
> available.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill in TN
> 500B
> N69PT
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 11/15/2003 4:28:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,
avtec2(at)bellsouth.net writes:
> Jim There is a pair of Columbia overhauled engine in wings on line.
> 9TwinBOW550(at)Aol.com
> Harry
>
THANKS HARRY. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
Go here
http://www.flyrightproductions.com/AboutBobHoover.htm
----- Original Message -----
From: <Barshalom(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> Nico,
>
> What Hoover video do you have? I would like to purchase one if it is still
> available.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill in TN
> 500B
> N69PT
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS...
All of you guys with Goodyear brakes, there are some new
pucks on ebay. Good luck jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brock Lorber - VegasFC" <blorber(at)vegasfc.com> |
The kennel was purchased at IFA for ~$65 (south of Trop on Industrial). I
don't know how many folks have IFAs in their areas, but I'm sure PetSmart
or other pet stores will have similar items. Very handy!
Brock Lorber
400CH
>
> In a message dated 11/7/2003 6:41:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
blorber(at)vegasfc.com writes:
>
> > For those who travel with dogs, we found a great new travel kennel.
The Portable Pet Home from PetMate is a soft-sided canvas kennel that zips
together into a stout travel home with a sheepskin floor. <
>
> Brock,
>
> Where did you get this? I occasionally have some idiot show up (as a
guest, none the less) with a dog and wants to put it on the jet.
>
> Dog owners need to have licenses, not the dogs, but that's another story.
Anyway, I'd appreciate any info you could post on where to find travel
kennels and straight jackets for pax.
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Brake wear indicators |
The wear "sticks" on my 2-piston goodyear brakes are broken off. Anyone have an
idea who would be selling a set?
Bruce Campbell
N4186B AC52
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Goodyear Brakes |
I have a set of Goodyear brakes as removed from my 560F. They were
working, but at least one of them has a possible warped disc. Also four
wheels.
If anyone wants them you can have them for the cost of shipping.
Phil
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake wear indicators |
Bruce Campbell wrote:
> The wear "sticks" on my 2-piston goodyear brakes are broken off. Anyone have
an idea who would be selling a set?
Bruce,
Some time back I loaned a pair of freshly overhauled brakes to Morris so
that he could ferry a 680FL out of oklahoma. They've never been
returned to me. If Morris still has them, tell him I said you could
have them.
chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
I borrowed it to view from a friend. I will contact him and let you guys
know. I was a little disappointed with the video only in respect to what I
expected and not in the content itself. I expected to see an elaborate
expose of Bob's flying career in terms of Commanders, but the majority of
the video contains hangar talk between Chuck Yeager and himself and their
are only a few minutes of Bob and his green Commander.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> I have one of Hoover's video as well.
> I would like to view/purchase a couple more then the one I have (I will
get
> the name later).
> Dose Bob have a web site (maybe one of his kids set it up)?
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Barshalom(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
> >
> > Nico,
> >
> > What Hoover video do you have? I would like to purchase one if it is
still
> > available.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill in TN
> > 500B
> > N69PT
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
I have the aerial suite which I would recommend, he fly's the 500 & the P51
in it.
I would also like to see more of Bob's flying and conversation about
Commanders, maybe we need to get someone to interview Bob.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> I borrowed it to view from a friend. I will contact him and let you guys
> know. I was a little disappointed with the video only in respect to what I
> expected and not in the content itself. I expected to see an elaborate
> expose of Bob's flying career in terms of Commanders, but the majority of
> the video contains hangar talk between Chuck Yeager and himself and their
> are only a few minutes of Bob and his green Commander.
> Nico
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
>
> >
> > I have one of Hoover's video as well.
> > I would like to view/purchase a couple more then the one I have (I will
> get
> > the name later).
> > Dose Bob have a web site (maybe one of his kids set it up)?
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Barshalom(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Nico,
> > >
> > > What Hoover video do you have? I would like to purchase one if it is
> still
> > > available.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bill in TN
> > > 500B
> > > N69PT
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
Bob's not young anymore. Shouldn't we do it asap? It would be a pity if we
should lose him before it happens. Take a video camera along. Not only an
interview but perhaps a 'fireside chat' type interview that could give us a
look into his life for posterity.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> I have the aerial suite which I would recommend, he fly's the 500 & the
P51
> in it.
> I would also like to see more of Bob's flying and conversation about
> Commanders, maybe we need to get someone to interview Bob.
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
>
> >
> > I borrowed it to view from a friend. I will contact him and let you guys
> > know. I was a little disappointed with the video only in respect to what
I
> > expected and not in the content itself. I expected to see an elaborate
> > expose of Bob's flying career in terms of Commanders, but the majority
of
> > the video contains hangar talk between Chuck Yeager and himself and
their
> > are only a few minutes of Bob and his green Commander.
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I have one of Hoover's video as well.
> > > I would like to view/purchase a couple more then the one I have (I
will
> > get
> > > the name later).
> > > Dose Bob have a web site (maybe one of his kids set it up)?
> > >
> > > Tom F.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Barshalom(at)aol.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Nico,
> > > >
> > > > What Hoover video do you have? I would like to purchase one if it is
> > still
> > > > available.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill in TN
> > > > 500B
> > > > N69PT
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
| Subject: | Bob Hover in the news |
I did this with my Grandmother several years ago and very highly recommend
it. She was born in the late 1800s and had traveled from Texas to Colorado
in a covered wagon, was around when the first air plane flew. She said at
the time there was not a big deal made about it. Be sure to take a tripod
and lots of film.
Jim
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of css nico
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
Bob's not young anymore. Shouldn't we do it asap? It would be a pity if we
should lose him before it happens. Take a video camera along. Not only an
interview but perhaps a 'fireside chat' type interview that could give us a
look into his life for posterity.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> I have the aerial suite which I would recommend, he fly's the 500 & the
P51
> in it.
> I would also like to see more of Bob's flying and conversation about
> Commanders, maybe we need to get someone to interview Bob.
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
>
> >
> > I borrowed it to view from a friend. I will contact him and let you guys
> > know. I was a little disappointed with the video only in respect to what
I
> > expected and not in the content itself. I expected to see an elaborate
> > expose of Bob's flying career in terms of Commanders, but the majority
of
> > the video contains hangar talk between Chuck Yeager and himself and
their
> > are only a few minutes of Bob and his green Commander.
> > Nico
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I have one of Hoover's video as well.
> > > I would like to view/purchase a couple more then the one I have (I
will
> > get
> > > the name later).
> > > Dose Bob have a web site (maybe one of his kids set it up)?
> > >
> > > Tom F.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Barshalom(at)aol.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Nico,
> > > >
> > > > What Hoover video do you have? I would like to purchase one if it is
> > still
> > > > available.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Bill in TN
> > > > 500B
> > > > N69PT
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
Lets get ahold of Bob or his representative to see if he will be interviewed
and then lets get questions submitted to be asked along with his interview.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> I did this with my Grandmother several years ago and very highly recommend
> it. She was born in the late 1800s and had traveled from Texas to Colorado
> in a covered wagon, was around when the first air plane flew. She said at
> the time there was not a big deal made about it. Be sure to take a tripod
> and lots of film.
>
> Jim
> N444BD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of css nico
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
>
> Bob's not young anymore. Shouldn't we do it asap? It would be a pity if we
> should lose him before it happens. Take a video camera along. Not only an
> interview but perhaps a 'fireside chat' type interview that could give us
a
> look into his life for posterity.
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
>
> >
> > I have the aerial suite which I would recommend, he fly's the 500 & the
> P51
> > in it.
> > I would also like to see more of Bob's flying and conversation about
> > Commanders, maybe we need to get someone to interview Bob.
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I borrowed it to view from a friend. I will contact him and let you
guys
> > > know. I was a little disappointed with the video only in respect to
what
> I
> > > expected and not in the content itself. I expected to see an elaborate
> > > expose of Bob's flying career in terms of Commanders, but the majority
> of
> > > the video contains hangar talk between Chuck Yeager and himself and
> their
> > > are only a few minutes of Bob and his green Commander.
> > > Nico
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I have one of Hoover's video as well.
> > > > I would like to view/purchase a couple more then the one I have (I
> will
> > > get
> > > > the name later).
> > > > Dose Bob have a web site (maybe one of his kids set it up)?
> > > >
> > > > Tom F.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <Barshalom(at)aol.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nico,
> > > > >
> > > > > What Hoover video do you have? I would like to purchase one if it
is
> > > still
> > > > > available.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill in TN
> > > > > 500B
> > > > > N69PT
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Andrew & Bridget Watson <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
Do you have ready contact with Bob? If not, I could put you in touch with
Jim Driskell, Bob's long time friend and airshow narrator. He apparently
shares an office with Bob and could organise things for you.
Regards,
Andrew.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> Lets get ahold of Bob or his representative to see if he will be
interviewed
> and then lets get questions submitted to be asked along with his
interview.
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
> To:
> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
>
> >
> > I did this with my Grandmother several years ago and very highly
recommend
> > it. She was born in the late 1800s and had traveled from Texas to
Colorado
> > in a covered wagon, was around when the first air plane flew. She said
at
> > the time there was not a big deal made about it. Be sure to take a
tripod
> > and lots of film.
> >
> > Jim
> > N444BD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of css nico
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> >
> >
>
> >
> > Bob's not young anymore. Shouldn't we do it asap? It would be a pity if
we
> > should lose him before it happens. Take a video camera along. Not only
an
> > interview but perhaps a 'fireside chat' type interview that could give
us
> a
> > look into his life for posterity.
> > Nico
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I have the aerial suite which I would recommend, he fly's the 500 &
the
> > P51
> > > in it.
> > > I would also like to see more of Bob's flying and conversation about
> > > Commanders, maybe we need to get someone to interview Bob.
> > >
> > > Tom F.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I borrowed it to view from a friend. I will contact him and let you
> guys
> > > > know. I was a little disappointed with the video only in respect to
> what
> > I
> > > > expected and not in the content itself. I expected to see an
elaborate
> > > > expose of Bob's flying career in terms of Commanders, but the
majority
> > of
> > > > the video contains hangar talk between Chuck Yeager and himself and
> > their
> > > > are only a few minutes of Bob and his green Commander.
> > > > Nico
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have one of Hoover's video as well.
> > > > > I would like to view/purchase a couple more then the one I have (I
> > will
> > > > get
> > > > > the name later).
> > > > > Dose Bob have a web site (maybe one of his kids set it up)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom F.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <Barshalom(at)aol.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nico,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What Hoover video do you have? I would like to purchase one if
it
> is
> > > > still
> > > > > > available.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bill in TN
> > > > > > 500B
> > > > > > N69PT
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
That would certainly be step one.
I can not ask you to do it because short of contributing questions and
sharing costs for the subsequent video I will not be able to participate.
If someone lives near Bob and is willing to put some time aside for the
cause please speak up as it would be most likely you that follows up on
Andrew's offer.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> Do you have ready contact with Bob? If not, I could put you in touch with
> Jim Driskell, Bob's long time friend and airshow narrator. He apparently
> shares an office with Bob and could organise things for you.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
>
> >
> > Lets get ahold of Bob or his representative to see if he will be
> interviewed
> > and then lets get questions submitted to be asked along with his
> interview.
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I did this with my Grandmother several years ago and very highly
> recommend
> > > it. She was born in the late 1800s and had traveled from Texas to
> Colorado
> > > in a covered wagon, was around when the first air plane flew. She said
> at
> > > the time there was not a big deal made about it. Be sure to take a
> tripod
> > > and lots of film.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > N444BD
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of css
nico
> > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > Bob's not young anymore. Shouldn't we do it asap? It would be a pity
if
> we
> > > should lose him before it happens. Take a video camera along. Not only
> an
> > > interview but perhaps a 'fireside chat' type interview that could give
> us
> > a
> > > look into his life for posterity.
> > > Nico
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I have the aerial suite which I would recommend, he fly's the 500 &
> the
> > > P51
> > > > in it.
> > > > I would also like to see more of Bob's flying and conversation about
> > > > Commanders, maybe we need to get someone to interview Bob.
> > > >
> > > > Tom F.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I borrowed it to view from a friend. I will contact him and let
you
> > guys
> > > > > know. I was a little disappointed with the video only in respect
to
> > what
> > > I
> > > > > expected and not in the content itself. I expected to see an
> elaborate
> > > > > expose of Bob's flying career in terms of Commanders, but the
> majority
> > > of
> > > > > the video contains hangar talk between Chuck Yeager and himself
and
> > > their
> > > > > are only a few minutes of Bob and his green Commander.
> > > > > Nico
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have one of Hoover's video as well.
> > > > > > I would like to view/purchase a couple more then the one I have
(I
> > > will
> > > > > get
> > > > > > the name later).
> > > > > > Dose Bob have a web site (maybe one of his kids set it up)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom F.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <Barshalom(at)aol.com>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nico,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What Hoover video do you have? I would like to purchase one if
> it
> > is
> > > > > still
> > > > > > > available.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill in TN
> > > > > > > 500B
> > > > > > > N69PT
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
Why don't we make an event out of it. I would very much like to attend
something like this, you know, just to be part of the actual event. Perhaps
a video giving background, places, people and so on, and then the
culmination of the event with a fire-side chat, which we can attend as an
audience. Perhaps a studio would be interested in sponsoring the event and
provide professional skills with the production. PBS, Discovery? Anyone else
with good contacts?
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> Do you have ready contact with Bob? If not, I could put you in touch with
> Jim Driskell, Bob's long time friend and airshow narrator. He apparently
> shares an office with Bob and could organise things for you.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
>
> >
> > Lets get ahold of Bob or his representative to see if he will be
> interviewed
> > and then lets get questions submitted to be asked along with his
> interview.
> >
> > Tom F.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I did this with my Grandmother several years ago and very highly
> recommend
> > > it. She was born in the late 1800s and had traveled from Texas to
> Colorado
> > > in a covered wagon, was around when the first air plane flew. She said
> at
> > > the time there was not a big deal made about it. Be sure to take a
> tripod
> > > and lots of film.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > N444BD
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of css
nico
> > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > >
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > Bob's not young anymore. Shouldn't we do it asap? It would be a pity
if
> we
> > > should lose him before it happens. Take a video camera along. Not only
> an
> > > interview but perhaps a 'fireside chat' type interview that could give
> us
> > a
> > > look into his life for posterity.
> > > Nico
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I have the aerial suite which I would recommend, he fly's the 500 &
> the
> > > P51
> > > > in it.
> > > > I would also like to see more of Bob's flying and conversation about
> > > > Commanders, maybe we need to get someone to interview Bob.
> > > >
> > > > Tom F.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I borrowed it to view from a friend. I will contact him and let
you
> > guys
> > > > > know. I was a little disappointed with the video only in respect
to
> > what
> > > I
> > > > > expected and not in the content itself. I expected to see an
> elaborate
> > > > > expose of Bob's flying career in terms of Commanders, but the
> majority
> > > of
> > > > > the video contains hangar talk between Chuck Yeager and himself
and
> > > their
> > > > > are only a few minutes of Bob and his green Commander.
> > > > > Nico
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have one of Hoover's video as well.
> > > > > > I would like to view/purchase a couple more then the one I have
(I
> > > will
> > > > > get
> > > > > > the name later).
> > > > > > Dose Bob have a web site (maybe one of his kids set it up)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom F.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <Barshalom(at)aol.com>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nico,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What Hoover video do you have? I would like to purchase one if
> it
> > is
> > > > > still
> > > > > > > available.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill in TN
> > > > > > > 500B
> > > > > > > N69PT
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RnJThompson(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Buddy Windham |
Hey Buddy
Contact me , I seem to have mislaid your Email address. I have some holiday
stuff to send you.
Regards
Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
In a message dated 11/17/2003 11:46:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca writes:
> Do you have ready contact with Bob?
John Towner is a close personal friend of Bob. His son, Andrew, suggested
that we may be able to have him attend next years flyin in KC. I will work on
that. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
If Bob's in Southern CA, I will go and see him. Let me know.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> That would certainly be step one.
> I can not ask you to do it because short of contributing questions and
> sharing costs for the subsequent video I will not be able to participate.
> If someone lives near Bob and is willing to put some time aside for the
> cause please speak up as it would be most likely you that follows up on
> Andrew's offer.
>
> Tom F.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew & Bridget Watson" <andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
>
> >
> > Do you have ready contact with Bob? If not, I could put you in touch
with
> > Jim Driskell, Bob's long time friend and airshow narrator. He apparently
> > shares an office with Bob and could organise things for you.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Lets get ahold of Bob or his representative to see if he will be
> > interviewed
> > > and then lets get questions submitted to be asked along with his
> > interview.
> > >
> > > Tom F.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I did this with my Grandmother several years ago and very highly
> > recommend
> > > > it. She was born in the late 1800s and had traveled from Texas to
> > Colorado
> > > > in a covered wagon, was around when the first air plane flew. She
said
> > at
> > > > the time there was not a big deal made about it. Be sure to take a
> > tripod
> > > > and lots of film.
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > > N444BD
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> > > > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of css
> nico
> > > > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob's not young anymore. Shouldn't we do it asap? It would be a pity
> if
> > we
> > > > should lose him before it happens. Take a video camera along. Not
only
> > an
> > > > interview but perhaps a 'fireside chat' type interview that could
give
> > us
> > > a
> > > > look into his life for posterity.
> > > > Nico
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the aerial suite which I would recommend, he fly's the 500
&
> > the
> > > > P51
> > > > > in it.
> > > > > I would also like to see more of Bob's flying and conversation
about
> > > > > Commanders, maybe we need to get someone to interview Bob.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom F.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I borrowed it to view from a friend. I will contact him and let
> you
> > > guys
> > > > > > know. I was a little disappointed with the video only in respect
> to
> > > what
> > > > I
> > > > > > expected and not in the content itself. I expected to see an
> > elaborate
> > > > > > expose of Bob's flying career in terms of Commanders, but the
> > majority
> > > > of
> > > > > > the video contains hangar talk between Chuck Yeager and himself
> and
> > > > their
> > > > > > are only a few minutes of Bob and his green Commander.
> > > > > > Nico
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have one of Hoover's video as well.
> > > > > > > I would like to view/purchase a couple more then the one I
have
> (I
> > > > will
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > the name later).
> > > > > > > Dose Bob have a web site (maybe one of his kids set it up)?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom F.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: <Barshalom(at)aol.com>
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nico,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What Hoover video do you have? I would like to purchase one
if
> > it
> > > is
> > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > available.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bill in TN
> > > > > > > > 500B
> > > > > > > > N69PT
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
Get it taped for those that cannot attend.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
> In a message dated 11/17/2003 11:46:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> andrew.bridget(at)shaw.ca writes:
>
> > Do you have ready contact with Bob?
>
> John Towner is a close personal friend of Bob. His son, Andrew, suggested
> that we may be able to have him attend next years flyin in KC. I will
work on
> that. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net> |
Hey everyone.
I am searching for a U-channel motor mount bracket front left side for the
number one engine. If anyone has any good advise please let me know. And when
doing a prebuy make sure all the hardware is AN.
Jody
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
What model?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
Subject: Commander-List: Motor Mount
>
> Hey everyone.
> I am searching for a U-channel motor mount bracket front left side
for the number one engine. If anyone has any good advise please let me
know. And when doing a prebuy make sure all the hardware is AN.
> Jody
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
Jody,
Please contact me. yourtcfg(at)aol.com (not about your mt. mount, sorry) Thanks
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net> |
520 for 411VV.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Motor Mount
>
> What model?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Motor Mount
>
>
>
> >
> > Hey everyone.
> > I am searching for a U-channel motor mount bracket front left
side
> for the number one engine. If anyone has any good advise please let me
> know. And when doing a prebuy make sure all the hardware is AN.
> > Jody
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake pads to return |
Please return Brake Pads
I will Pay UPS Charge
Thanks Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Brake pads to return
>
> Yes. very much so.
>
> Bruce Campbell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Brake pads to return
>
>
>
> >
> > I Have the Flat if you Still need
> > Thanks Harry
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Brake pads to return
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > We just moved, and the box got packed by the movers. I expect to have
it
> > out
> > > in a couple of days.
> > >
> > > Sorry for the delay.
> > >
> > > Bruce Campbell
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Commander-List: bath tub trusses
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > chris, I am in the process of making a new truss for my aircraft. do
> > > > you have the capability to make a computer disk for lazer cutting of
> the
> > > > aluminum?
> > > > >
> > > > > does anyone know who to contact about this problem at twin
> commander?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | COMMANDER560(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hover in the news |
It's Bob Hoover, not Hover, Joe Shepherd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
| Subject: | Bob Hoover in the news |
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-
> list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of COMMANDER560(at)cs.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:43 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
>
>
> It's Bob Hoover, not Hover, Joe Shepherd
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bob Hoover in the news |
Although he will alway Hover in our thoughts, huh?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: Bob Hoover in the news
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-
> > list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of COMMANDER560(at)cs.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 8:43 AM
> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Bob Hover in the news
> >
> >
> > It's Bob Hoover, not Hover, Joe Shepherd
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
Do you all enjoy this list?? Isn't it a great recourse??
Don't you love keeping in touch with other Commander owners?? Well, if you do
than please be generous in you contribution to Matronics. If you are a dues
paid member of the TCFG, I will be making a contribution for you. If you have
not become a member than please open you wallet and let some of the contents
fine it's way to Matrnonics. Thanks
Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
I did not know you made contributions because I will be doubly pleased when
I mail mine.
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: DONATIONS
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Do you all enjoy this list?? Isn't it a great recourse??
> Don't you love keeping in touch with other Commander owners?? Well, if
you do
> than please be generous in you contribution to Matronics. If you are a
dues
> paid member of the TCFG, I will be making a contribution for you. If you
have
> not become a member than please open you wallet and let some of the
contents
> fine it's way to Matrnonics. Thanks
> Jim Metzger Director, Twin Commander Flight Group
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake pads to return |
The package has been sent FedEx 2 day.
Sorry for the delay.
Bruce Campbell
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Brake pads to return
>
> PLEASE Return Pads.
> SEND TO
> AVTEC II, Inc.
> 480 N Williams Ave
> Titusville, FL. 32796
> 321 267-3141
>
> Thanks Harry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Brake pads to return
>
>
>
> >
> > We just moved, and the box got packed by the movers. I expect to have it
> out
> > in a couple of days.
> >
> > Sorry for the delay.
> >
> > Bruce Campbell
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: bath tub trusses
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > chris, I am in the process of making a new truss for my aircraft. do
> > > you have the capability to make a computer disk for lazer cutting of
the
> > > aluminum?
> > > >
> > > > does anyone know who to contact about this problem at twin
commander?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
JB,
I sent a donation (to get the gift of course) for the web sight, however, am
I current on my dues?
Best regards,
Moe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 11/18/2003 1:40:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> I did not know you made contributions because I will be doubly pleased when
> I mail mine.
>
As a paid member, your covered. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 11/18/2003 3:07:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,
MOEMILLS(at)aol.com writes:
> I sent a donation (to get the gift of course) for the web sight, however,
> am
> I current on my dues?
>
HI MOE.
You are just now due. There should be a renewal reminder in the newsletter
that I mailed yesterday. Thanks!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake pads to return |
Thanks, I May Have A Field Approval on The Cleveland
Brakes.
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Brake pads to return
>
> The package has been sent FedEx 2 day.
>
> Sorry for the delay.
>
>
> Bruce Campbell
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Merrirr" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Brake pads to return
>
>
>
> >
> > PLEASE Return Pads.
> > SEND TO
> > AVTEC II, Inc.
> > 480 N Williams Ave
> > Titusville, FL. 32796
> > 321 267-3141
> >
> > Thanks Harry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Commander-List: Brake pads to return
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > We just moved, and the box got packed by the movers. I expect to have
it
> > out
> > > in a couple of days.
> > >
> > > Sorry for the delay.
> > >
> > > Bruce Campbell
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <alh1(at)juno.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Commander-List: bath tub trusses
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > chris, I am in the process of making a new truss for my aircraft. do
> > > > you have the capability to make a computer disk for lazer cutting of
> the
> > > > aluminum?
> > > > >
> > > > > does anyone know who to contact about this problem at twin
> commander?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Bath tub truss |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
There was a recent post on the list about someone making new trusses.
For which model? If they are compatible with a 680 then we should
definitely talk.....
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RnJThompson(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bath tub truss |
Hi All
Morris was going to get acouple of sets of trusses made up. I have sent him a
new one that I had to use as a pattern. As far as I can discover tha trusses
are the same exept for the bottom engine mount. Morris thought that this would
be left on the new ones and only finished and drilled on installation. The
truss I supplied has this problem, it would fit a straight 680 but not my E.
Regards
Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/20/03 |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
On Thursday, November 20, 2003, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest
Server wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Morris was going to get acouple of sets of trusses made up.
Yeah, Morris and I are going to make a few sets, which is why I
inquired...we can cut down on the production costs up front if someone
else is interested. Otherwise we'll just make a few sets and sell what
we don't use to recoup my costs....read "if you act now, you can save
some bucks by going in on getting trusses made, otherwise they will be
made of platinum if you buy them later..." :)
B
> Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au |
| Subject: | Interesting item on eBay Australia web site item#2443395679: |
New Brake Linings, Beaver, Aero Commander
Folks,
This may be of interest to any body who hasen't got the Cleveland message.
Regards,
Bill Hamilton.
Title of item: New Brake Linings, Beaver, Aero Commander
Seller: mjonesr
Starts: 16-Nov-03 10:46:16 AEDST
Ends: 23-Nov-03 10:46:16 AEDST
Price: Currently US $36.00
To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2443395679
Item Description:
I am offering 8 new original Goodyear Brake Linings for the DeHavilland
Beaver and the Rockwell International (Commander Aircraft Division) Models 500,
500A, 520, 560 and 650A. I have 4 Brake Piston Linings (Goodyear part number
9521624) and 4 Anvil Linings (Goodyear part number 9521624). Two of each
are required for each Goodyear Brake Assembly (part number 9530997). All are
in excellent new condition, and as with all the items I sell, these maybe returned
for any reason. US Priority or 1st class mail, $5.00.
Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com.au
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Interesting item on eBay Australia web site item#2443395679: |
New Brake Linings, Beaver, Aero Commander
Yeah, I know, I'm bidding on it.
Bruce Campbell
AC52 N4186B
----- Original Message -----
From: <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Commander-List: Interesting item on eBay Australia web site
item#2443395679: New Brake Linings, Beaver, Aero Commander
>
> Folks,
> This may be of interest to any body who hasen't got the Cleveland message.
> Regards,
> Bill Hamilton.
>
> Title of item: New Brake Linings, Beaver, Aero Commander
> Seller: mjonesr
> Starts: 16-Nov-03 10:46:16 AEDST
> Ends: 23-Nov-03 10:46:16 AEDST
> Price: Currently US $36.00
> To bid on the item, go to:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2443395679
>
>
> Item Description:
> I am offering 8 new original Goodyear Brake Linings for the
DeHavilland Beaver and the Rockwell International (Commander Aircraft
Division) Models 500, 500A, 520, 560 and 650A. I have 4 Brake Piston
Linings (Goodyear part number 9521624) and 4 Anvil Linings (Goodyear part
number 9521624). Two of each are required for each Goodyear Brake Assembly
(part number 9530997). All are in excellent new condition, and as with all
the items I sell, these maybe returned for any reason. US Priority or 1st
class mail, $5.00.
>
> Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at
http://www.ebay.com.au
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | More Stuff on Ebay: IGSO 480 engine |
Under engines on ebay, there's an IGSO 480 A1A6.
Isn't that the engine for Capt JimBob's 680?
The reserve price is $13k and he current bid is only $4000
>
Bruce Campbell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: More Stuff on Ebay: IGSO 480 engine |
Thanks jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Robert Steele" <bob.steele(at)kzf.com> |
Does have anybody have a print of the inter-connect diagram of a Bendix FCS
810 they can send me?
thanks
Bob Steele
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL" |
HI KIDS.
Pretty quite out there. I really sucks not having triple 2
at my beckon call!! I am still working on some solutions, but nothing firm
yet.
On a brighter note, I have a 680 Commander to deliver from Ten to
Canada in a few weeks so I will get some flying in.
On a bummer note, I will be leaving in a couple of days to DRIVE to
Idaho for "T" day. Anybody else "Commandering" anywhere for the holiday?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL" |
Hooray! another Commander in Canada.
Where is it going to live?
Tom F.
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL"
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Pretty quite out there. I really sucks not having triple
2
> at my beckon call!! I am still working on some solutions, but nothing
firm
> yet.
> On a brighter note, I have a 680 Commander to deliver from Ten to
> Canada in a few weeks so I will get some flying in.
> On a bummer note, I will be leaving in a couple of days to DRIVE to
> Idaho for "T" day. Anybody else "Commandering" anywhere for the holiday??
jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL" |
In a message dated 11/24/2003 8:12:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes:
> Hooray! another Commander in Canada.
> Where is it going to live?
>
Edmonton. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com> |
| Subject: | "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL" |
Captain JimBob,
We'll be taking the kids to explore St.Kitts and Nevis during the holiday
and will stay at an old Nevis plantation. See it at www.hermitagenevis.com
. Looks like a wonderful caribbean inn. Will report on the islands after
our return. Happy holidays to you and your loved ones.
Jimmy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL"
HI KIDS.
Pretty quite out there. I really sucks not having triple 2
at my beckon call!! I am still working on some solutions, but nothing firm
yet.
On a brighter note, I have a 680 Commander to deliver from Ten to
Canada in a few weeks so I will get some flying in.
On a bummer note, I will be leaving in a couple of days to DRIVE to
Idaho for "T" day. Anybody else "Commandering" anywhere for the holiday??
jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ricardo A. Otaola" <otayca(at)telcel.net.ve> |
| Subject: | Re: "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL" |
Fellow commander:
I am looking for a auxiliary pump for my 680F, part number RG 9790-3, wihch
is for the right engine. Anyone know?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL"
>
> Captain JimBob,
>
> We'll be taking the kids to explore St.Kitts and Nevis during the holiday
> and will stay at an old Nevis plantation. See it at
www.hermitagenevis.com
> . Looks like a wonderful caribbean inn. Will report on the islands after
> our return. Happy holidays to you and your loved ones.
>
> Jimmy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL"
>
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Pretty quite out there. I really sucks not having triple
2
> at my beckon call!! I am still working on some solutions, but nothing
firm
> yet.
> On a brighter note, I have a 680 Commander to deliver from Ten to
> Canada in a few weeks so I will get some flying in.
> On a bummer note, I will be leaving in a couple of days to DRIVE to
> Idaho for "T" day. Anybody else "Commandering" anywhere for the holiday??
> jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL" |
I got two RG 9080 pumps from Thunderbird Accessories in Bethany, OK
405-798-1822 and was pleased with the service and product.
Kindest regards,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo
A. Otaola
Subject: Re: Commander-List: "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL"
Fellow commander:
I am looking for a auxiliary pump for my 680F, part number RG 9790-3,
wihch
is for the right engine. Anyone know?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jimmy Rodriguez" <jimmyr(at)popsecs.com>
Subject: RE: Commander-List: "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL"
>
> Captain JimBob,
>
> We'll be taking the kids to explore St.Kitts and Nevis during the
holiday
> and will stay at an old Nevis plantation. See it at
www.hermitagenevis.com
> . Looks like a wonderful caribbean inn. Will report on the islands
after
> our return. Happy holidays to you and your loved ones.
>
> Jimmy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL"
>
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> Pretty quite out there. I really sucks not having
triple
2
> at my beckon call!! I am still working on some solutions, but nothing
firm
> yet.
> On a brighter note, I have a 680 Commander to deliver from Ten
to
> Canada in a few weeks so I will get some flying in.
> On a bummer note, I will be leaving in a couple of days to
DRIVE to
> Idaho for "T" day. Anybody else "Commandering" anywhere for the
holiday??
> jb
>
>
=
==
==
==
==
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: "COMMANDERLESS IN WASHOUGAL" |
In a message dated 11/25/2003 5:51:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jimmyr(at)popsecs.com writes:
> Happy holidays to you and your loved ones.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! |
HI KIDS.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! We have so much to be thankful for. I for one
am blessed by God beyond measure. I hope all of you have a wonderful Holiday
and may God bless you and yours. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! |
Happy Thanksgiving to you all from our family.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! We have so much to be thankful for. I for
one
> am blessed by God beyond measure. I hope all of you have a wonderful
Holiday
> and may God bless you and yours. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/26/03 |
i need the rivet part number for the large rivet in the landing gear truss or if
a bolt replacement is ok, the bolt replacement. can anyone help? chris?
thanks, al hoffman
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Are Saying III |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 11/26/03 |
alh1(at)juno.com wrote:
>
>
> i need the rivet part number for the large rivet in the landing gear
> truss or if a bolt replacement is ok, the bolt replacement. can
> anyone help? chris?
Al,
According to 43-13.1a, it is acceptable to repace structural rivets with
bolts in that application (appropriate aircraft grade of course). If
memory serves, a #3 bolt is just right after you've drilled the old
rivet out, but it's been a while. Make sure the unthreaded part of the
bolt goes all the way through the parts...
You wouldn't want to try to drive those huge rivets up in the nacelle
anyway!
chris schuermann
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | TEDS OLD COMMANDER |
HI KIDS.
I just had a nice email from the guy who now owns Ted Smiths
old 680E (He also owns a 685, Milt?) The 680E was purchased in California
about 20 years ago as N272TS It now flies in Cali Columbia. The owner is have
it restored and plans to make is like new. That would be cool!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: TEDS OLD COMMANDER |
In a message dated 11/30/03 18:42:42 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
writes:
> I just had a nice email from the guy who now owns Ted Smiths
> old 680E (He also owns a 685, Milt?) The 680E was purchased in California
> about 20 years ago as N272TS It now flies in Cali Columbia. The owner is
> have
> it restored and plans to make is like new. That would be cool!!
Yo ho!
Do you know how "original" it is, Capt. JimBob?
See if you can get current photos of the paint scheme and panel before it
gets too updated.
That would be way cool!
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: TEDS OLD COMMANDER |
In a message dated 12/1/2003 12:29:10 AM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
> See if you can get current photos of the paint scheme and panel before it
> gets too updated.
>
> That would be way cool!
He has promised to send photos. I will try to post them. How is life
Keith?? jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Fwd: Broken link in www.aerocommander.com |
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Subject: Broken link in www.aerocommander.com
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On page http://www.aerocommander.com/aircraft/680.asp
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gives the error: Not found.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | AC690B Jump Seat |
To the collective Commander mind:
Had someone ask me about a jump seat for the Turbo Commander (AC690-B) and I
thought they were talking about the belted potty option on the forward lav.
Turns out that there was an actual folding "jump seat" that connects to the
seat tracks for forward installation. By folding, I mean the seat back folds
down/forward.
Anyone seen one? Know the part number? Know where to get one?
I've suggested the usual: Morris, Downtown Airpark, Eagle Creek, Byerly and
the ServiCenter.
That's my shot in the dark for the week ... any hits?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Tom Bijou" <tom(at)bhmassociates.com> |
| Subject: | AC690B Jump Seat |
I actually own one of these jump seats. Mine is for a 900/1000 as it has
the different height legs to accommodate the dropped floor in the 1000. It
is about 2/3 of full size and weighs 19 pounds.
I have my plane configured so the side facing seat is removable and I will
sometimes take the side facing seat out and use the jump seat in its place
as not everyone enjoys the side facing position. It also is great when I
need the extra floor space for the dog, I take out the side facing seat to
make dog space and shift the club seats closer together to make room for the
jump seat and the dog.
I did try to buy a second one of these for one of my customers a few years
ago, but never was able to find one. Some one who was creative could use
mine as a model to make a few. I would be willing to part with it or a few
weeks if someone want to undertake that project.
Tom Bijou
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: AC690B Jump Seat
To the collective Commander mind:
Had someone ask me about a jump seat for the Turbo Commander (AC690-B) and I
thought they were talking about the belted potty option on the forward lav.
Turns out that there was an actual folding "jump seat" that connects to the
seat tracks for forward installation. By folding, I mean the seat back
folds
down/forward.
Anyone seen one? Know the part number? Know where to get one?
I've suggested the usual: Morris, Downtown Airpark, Eagle Creek, Byerly and
the ServiCenter.
That's my shot in the dark for the week ... any hits?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: AC690B Jump Seat |
Tom,
Thanks!
I'll pass it along. Don't know if they want to go through the cost of
reverse engineering -- but that's their call.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
for any of you who keep track of such things...
N414C is now owned by a Jason Tindal in Alabama.
JB, his email is Medaccess(at)aol.com if you want to recruit him.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 12/04/03 05:06:53 Pacific Standard Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net
writes:
> for any of you who keep track of such things...
> N414C is now owned by a Jason Tindal in Alabama.
>
That's great ... but whose keeping track of Milt?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com> |
| Subject: | two-piston brake pads |
I'm looking into having a PMA'd manufacturer produce a small run of brake pucks
for two piston goodyear brakes.
Anyone interested?
Bruce Campbell
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 12/4/2003 5:06:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,
cschuerm(at)cox.net writes:
> JB, his email is Medaccess(at)aol.com if you want to recruit him
Thanks!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Harry Merritt" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> |
| Subject: | Re: two-piston brake pads |
I Hope to havr a field Approval on Clevelands ASAP
Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Campbell" <baruch(at)intelligentflight.com>
Subject: Commander-List: two-piston brake pads
>
> I'm looking into having a PMA'd manufacturer produce a small run of brake
pucks for two piston goodyear brakes.
> Anyone interested?
>
> Bruce Campbell
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
CloudCraft(at)aol.com wrote:
> That's great ... but whose keeping track of Milt?
good grief! Do you have any idea of the magnitude of that task?!?
Even the aliens that implanted the homing device into his skull have
failed to locate him...
cs
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 12/04/03 15:39:50 Pacific Standard Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net
writes:
> Even the aliens that implanted the homing device into his skull have
> failed to locate him...
>
I know. They contacted me and wanted to know if I knew where he was. I said
he was hiding in a cloud of swamp gas but they didn't buy it.
Really, though. I didn't know Milt had sold N414C. Is he Commanderless
now? Shopping for another one? In a support group for former AC-685 owners?
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Don <crunk1(at)direcway.com> |
| Subject: | Bittersweet week in commander land |
Ended this week in a helluva flight in a 560A.
Left Seattle in the rain at 03:30 Pacific time Friday AM after a 10 hour Trek on
a commercial crowd killer getting there.
4 hours through rain and ice to Medford Oregon. Fuel and fuel then back into the
rain and ice to Bakersfield Kalyfoorniia.
Broke out of the weather just before Palm Springs and turned left for Demming New
Mexico. Somewhere over the mountains the comm navs shit the bed and the rest
of the trip was on handheld GPS and comm. Deming to Abilene Texas landing VFR
in the dark, then a final 3 and 1/2 hour leg to Gulfport Misissippi. About 20
hrs in the air total. What a great flight listening to those geared buggers
growl.
Earlier in the week I had flown one of my saddest flights ever. Milt sold N414C
and I ferried it to it's new owner. Over the last 2 years Milt and I singly and
together had put closer to 600hrs on 414Cs airframe. Taking one set of engines
well past TBO and getting a good start on a set of remans. We had flown it
coast to coast at least twice.
Most of our time in Charlie was in real dog crap weather slinging ice and many
approaches to minimums while dodging thunderstorms. I cannot count the times we
crossed the Gulf from Gulfport to Fort Meyers and back. Often behind a dissipating
hurricane and once straight accross the center of a tropical depression.
The 685 is one tough bird and 414C was a sweet example of a 685. I'm sure Milt
will miss her. It seems N414C is about to become an air ambulance.
Milt took delivery of his new Cessna 414 Wednesday. His only comment " It sure
ain"t 414C"
Tough week of flying but great flights. And didn't have to call Morris or get parts
from Harry.
Don (little crunk)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bittersweet week in commander land |
In a message dated 12/6/2003 3:00:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
crunk1(at)direcway.com writes:
> Tough week of flying but great flights. And didn't have to call Morris or
> get parts from Harry.
Great story and great to hear from you!! What was the 560A like?? Were you
moving it for someone else or are you an owner?? Sad to hear about Milt, I
doubt he will be long with the 141. I hope he comes back into the fold soon.
Tell all "Hi" jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | COMMANDER560(at)cs.com |
| Subject: | Re: Bittersweet week in commander land |
Don, send me a email or call me, 678-481-4544. J.R., commander560(at)cs.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | 680E won't be.... |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
...home for Christmas, but she will return to the skies in the
foreseeable future as I have found a way to raise the cash necessary for
the, uh, restoration of the gear trusses, engine mounts, etc.
If I have my way this will be the beginning of a more complete
restoration that will include an airframe, engine, and systems IRAN...
Hope all is well in Commander Land....
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Bittersweet week in commander land |
Nice flight Don. Milt's experience is quite interesting. Why did he go for
the Cessna 414? Wouldn't a Dash 10 Commander have been a better option? I am
always learning by the choices other folks make because they think about
things differently.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don" <crunk1(at)direcway.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Bittersweet week in commander land
>
> Ended this week in a helluva flight in a 560A.
> Left Seattle in the rain at 03:30 Pacific time Friday AM after a 10 hour
Trek on a commercial crowd killer getting there.
> 4 hours through rain and ice to Medford Oregon. Fuel and fuel then back
into the rain and ice to Bakersfield Kalyfoorniia.
> Broke out of the weather just before Palm Springs and turned left for
Demming New Mexico. Somewhere over the mountains the comm navs shit the bed
and the rest of the trip was on handheld GPS and comm. Deming to Abilene
Texas landing VFR in the dark, then a final 3 and 1/2 hour leg to Gulfport
Misissippi. About 20 hrs in the air total. What a great flight listening to
those geared buggers growl.
>
> Earlier in the week I had flown one of my saddest flights ever. Milt sold
N414C and I ferried it to it's new owner. Over the last 2 years Milt and I
singly and together had put closer to 600hrs on 414Cs airframe. Taking one
set of engines well past TBO and getting a good start on a set of remans. We
had flown it coast to coast at least twice.
> Most of our time in Charlie was in real dog crap weather slinging ice and
many approaches to minimums while dodging thunderstorms. I cannot count the
times we crossed the Gulf from Gulfport to Fort Meyers and back. Often
behind a dissipating hurricane and once straight accross the center of a
tropical depression.
> The 685 is one tough bird and 414C was a sweet example of a 685. I'm sure
Milt will miss her. It seems N414C is about to become an air ambulance.
>
> Milt took delivery of his new Cessna 414 Wednesday. His only comment " It
sure ain"t 414C"
>
> Tough week of flying but great flights. And didn't have to call Morris or
get parts from Harry.
>
> Don (little crunk)
>
>
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| From: | "nasa" <nasa(at)quicksprint.com.au> |
| Subject: | Looking for An Aero Commander 500S |
I=92m looking to purchase an Aero Commander 500S for between the USD$150K
=96 USD$190K mark. Aircraft must have time remaining on the engines
(inside 12 years since last O/H) and documentation of last U/C O/H.
Satisfactory recent Spar Inspection and/or replacement also a
prerequisite. Anyone know of any for sale out there????
Cheers
Excellence in Service & Reliability, Value in Products & Price, Quality
in Knowledge & Understanding
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Norris Aviation Services Australia
P.O. Box 226 Caloundra
Qld. Australia. 4551.
nasa(at)quicksprint.com.au
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| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
Say it ain't so...talk about trading lemonade for lemons....and that
spar issue! Yeck....
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
He said the spar AD is only on the 414A's. Besides, "Commander ownership is
not for everybody".
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hancock" <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Commander-List: 414
>
> Say it ain't so...talk about trading lemonade for lemons....and that
> spar issue! Yeck....
>
>
> Barry Hancock
> Director of Operations
> Red Stars, Inc.
> 949.300.5510
> www.allredstar.com
> "Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | COMMANDER560(at)cs.com |
Hey Bilbo, have you still got your commander? If you do fly up to Atl and
bring the family for a visit, or drive. Joe
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ProgSearch(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | 685 across the counrty |
Just completed taking Dick Maccoons 685 from Cincinnati to Van Nuys, CA. It's
a great airplane that provides a nice ride. 45 knot head wind from Tulsa to
VNY made a 10 hour trip a twelve hour trip.
Kevin Coons
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 685 across the counrty |
In a message dated 12/09/03 11:14:43 Pacific Standard Time,
ProgSearch(at)aol.com writes:
> Just completed taking Dick Maccoons 685 from Cincinnati to Van Nuys, CA.
> It's
> a great airplane that provides a nice ride.
Sounds like fun, Kevin.
Would that be Mr. RPM's 685A -- the one with the increased pressurization
that was used for the Orenda Engine conversion, or one of his others?
Just wondering if that -A was converted back from the Orendas.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ProgSearch(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 685 across the counrty |
Wing Commander Gordon,
It was a nice trip.
It was not a converted 685 just a regular one.
For those of you at the fly in Dayton this year it was N685TT the green and
silver 685.
Kevin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MRP <mrp37(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 685 across the counrty |
Kevin,
Is it SOLD or are you just relocating it?
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | ProgSearch(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 685 across the counrty |
Mark,
I relocated it for some work to be performed on it. You would have to call
Dick MacCoon to see if it is sold. Sorry.
Kevin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MRP <mrp37(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: 685 across the counrty |
KEVIN,
I had a "contract" and deposit on N685TT (via Gadberry) a couple of years ago.
I went so far as to put wings tips and the PS-Engineering CD/AP player in it,
but couldn't complete fianacing at the $$ it was at. Pretty foolish on my part!
Thanks for the INFO!
Best Regards and Merry Christmas To All,
Mark
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
Anybody got their issue of Plane & Pilot?? There is a great article
on Chris and Dan and their trip. great photos and story!! (Check out the
photo on page 62, recognize the driver??)
I just got back from delivering a 2001 American Aircraft "Scout" from
Edmonton, Alberta to Reno. 11 degrees when I left, BURRRRRRR!! It was a boring
trip, just like I like them. I had dinner with Jerry Kent, the owner of the
680 in Tennessee that we all heard about. He has the "Heavy Hartzell" props on
now and has hired me to do some test flying and ultimately deliver the
airplane to Canada. My next delivery is a Waco UPF-7 from Caldwell to Tennessee,
BURRRRRRRRRRR. Oh well, that is why I earn the big $$ jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | COMMANDER SIGHTING |
HI KIDS.
I forgot, I was able to take a look at a couple of really nice
Commanders still earning their keep. Tucked in a hangar in Edmonton were C-GEOS
and
C-GOEG. EOS is a nice 690A with dash 10s, winglets and on very nice overall
condition. GEOG is a 680F with the Mr. RPM turbocharged engine conversion.
Both are used for high altitude Ariel photography. Bothe are being lovingly
maintained.
Also, The mechanic who cares for these airplanes gave me a really
important tip. He pointed out the Lycoming manual calls for the valves to be
adjusted every 400 hr. I had never heard of this and don't know anybody who does
it.
He claims that the last pair of IO-720s ran 2400hr with only one premature
cyl removal. He attributes this to making cretin that the valves stay properly
set. He also recommends that they be set at or near the maximum clearance
(They never get a bigger clearance) The book stated 50 - 80 thousands. He
likes 60- 80 and you cant knock success!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott Dickey" <jdickey(at)radictech.com> |
| Subject: | emergency gear extension gauge |
Hi Everyone,
I'm a new subscriber but I've been a "stealth surfer" for a while. I have
N222LE, a 500B purchased from Morris. My emergency gear extension N2 gauge
is looking a little shabby and I recently inquired about the price of a new
one from TCAC. The price I got back was $831.25. But don't worry, Aero Air
said I could take 10% off the list price. Whew, good thing because for a
minute I thought I was getting ripped off.
Seriously, does anyone have a source for a comparable gauge? I would prefer
a legal (PMA, 337, etc) solution if possible. Thanks in advance.
Scott
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: emergency gear extension gauge |
I paid $200.00 to Eagle in CAE for one in "removed" condition(what ever that
is). It has a bent needle but seems to indicate accurately. If your old
one works, I would NOT open the system up and possibly create a new leak to
fix an appearance problem. I thought mine might be leaking but was wrong.
Morris has a "replacement" gauge that is much cheaper. I will say no more.
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Dickey" <jdickey(at)radictech.com>
Subject: Commander-List: emergency gear extension gauge
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
> I'm a new subscriber but I've been a "stealth surfer" for a while. I have
> N222LE, a 500B purchased from Morris. My emergency gear extension N2 gauge
> is looking a little shabby and I recently inquired about the price of a
new
> one from TCAC. The price I got back was $831.25. But don't worry, Aero Air
> said I could take 10% off the list price. Whew, good thing because for a
> minute I thought I was getting ripped off.
>
>
> Seriously, does anyone have a source for a comparable gauge? I would
prefer
> a legal (PMA, 337, etc) solution if possible. Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Scott
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
I still haven't dug into the engine on triple 2. It has been a
really busy (but good) time. I am closing in on a deal on a pair of "0" engines.
I
am hopeful this will work out. I also bought the propellers that were on
ebay. I am aware of several airplanes that need the "Heavy Hartzell" mod and
hope having propellers ready to go will help owners get their airplanes back in
the air.
The good news is that at least three older Commanders will soon be in the
air again!! A 680 in Tennessee, a 560E in Oregon and a 680E in CA all are
being worked on and will soon be flying. This does not include Barry's 680E.
There is also a 680 in Toppinish, WA that has just been painted and it to
should fly later this year. Now that is a lot of augmented noise!! Can you
imagine that flyby!!
Hope all is well in your Commanderland. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net> |
Thanks JB for your "always" entertaining posts and updates from the land of
Commanders. I enjoy those short breaks from the "hum drum" of work when my
computer chirps, to find a "Commander message" in my inbox. Trips coming up
for me are an Angel Flight & business trip down to SMO on Monday, and then
San Diego on Christmas Eve with a return to SBP on 12/27...yippee.
Hope the holiday season finds everyone well and "flying" in Commanderland.
Randy Dettmer
680F/6253X
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: N222JS
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I still haven't dug into the engine on triple 2. It has been a
> really busy (but good) time. I am closing in on a deal on a pair of "0"
engines. I
> am hopeful this will work out. I also bought the propellers that were on
> ebay. I am aware of several airplanes that need the "Heavy Hartzell" mod
and
> hope having propellers ready to go will help owners get their airplanes
back in
> the air.
> The good news is that at least three older Commanders will soon be in
the
> air again!! A 680 in Tennessee, a 560E in Oregon and a 680E in CA all are
> being worked on and will soon be flying. This does not include Barry's
680E.
> There is also a 680 in Toppinish, WA that has just been painted and it to
> should fly later this year. Now that is a lot of augmented noise!! Can
you
> imagine that flyby!!
> Hope all is well in your Commanderland. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jody and Susan Pillatzki" <jpillatzki(at)702com.net> |
411VV should be in the air again in January. By the way any one know of a
good shop to send older sender's for the fuel quantity gauge. Or were a guy
could find something new and improved. Getting most of my squawk list taken
care of.
Jody
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: N222JS
>
> HI KIDS.
>
> I still haven't dug into the engine on triple 2. It has been a
> really busy (but good) time. I am closing in on a deal on a pair of "0"
engines. I
> am hopeful this will work out. I also bought the propellers that were on
> ebay. I am aware of several airplanes that need the "Heavy Hartzell" mod
and
> hope having propellers ready to go will help owners get their airplanes
back in
> the air.
> The good news is that at least three older Commanders will soon be in
the
> air again!! A 680 in Tennessee, a 560E in Oregon and a 680E in CA all are
> being worked on and will soon be flying. This does not include Barry's
680E.
> There is also a 680 in Toppinish, WA that has just been painted and it to
> should fly later this year. Now that is a lot of augmented noise!! Can
you
> imagine that flyby!!
> Hope all is well in your Commanderland. jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net> |
>> I still haven't dug into the engine on triple 2.
JB, I'm sure you're already aware (and probably dealing), but there's a
"0-SMOH" IGSO-480 on ebay right now
cs
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: emergency gear extension gauge |
In a message dated 12/11/03 20:41:08 Pacific Standard Time,
jdickey(at)radictech.com writes:
> Seriously, does anyone have a source for a comparable gauge? I would prefer
> a legal (PMA, 337, etc) solution if possible. Thanks in advance.
Scott,
Have you discussed this with Morris? I bet he has a solution for you that is
better than 10% less than $831.25, although it may not meet the rest of your
requirements.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | What a great time.... |
| From: | Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net> |
I just returned from a Living Nativity production at one of our
churches. Driving home I was thinking how appropriate it was that the
First Flight was within a week of the birth of the First Son, so to
speak.
We are all blessed with experiencing the wonder of flight, paling only
in comparison to the wonder of His Light.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good flight!
Barry
Barry Hancock
Director of Operations
Red Stars, Inc.
949.300.5510
www.allredstar.com
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: What a great time.... |
In a message dated 12/14/2003 10:45:19 PM Pacific Standard Time,
radialpower(at)cox.net writes:
Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good flight!
AMEN!! Thanks for sharing. jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE |
HI KIDS..
Pretty quite out there. Anybody flying anyplace interesting for the
holidays?? I am working on getting triple 2 back in the air. I have bought a
couple of "0" engines. I am looking them over to make certain they are in
good shape after sitting for years. I think they will be just fine. I am
detailing them now.
I have been delivering a bunch of airplanes, but no Commanders :-( The
last two have been the new American Aviation Scout. Great little airplane!! I
have a UPF-7 Waco to deliver if it makes it out of annual. Then a 680 to
Canada. Hope all is well in your Commanderland!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | MOEMILLS(at)aol.com |
Commander drivers,
I need advice.
My M4 autopilot has pretty much died recently after having minor "band aid"
repairs done which has kept it somewhat operating for the last few hundred
hours. Should I have it completely rebuilt or should I wait for S-TEC ?
Obviously the autopilot is pretty important to me as all of my flying is single
pilot
and most of it is in very crowded conditions (Los Angeles Basin based).
Within reason, at this time I am more concerned with a good autopilot with
dependability and longevity than the initial price.
Below are some numbered questions which I would greatly appreciate anyone
with experience answering.
1. How many flight hours can a primary servo be expected to live after a good
competent rebuild?
2. How many flight hours can a trim servo be expected to live after a good
competent rebuild?
3. How many flight hours can a flight computer be expected to live after a
good competent rebuild?
4. How many flight hours can an altitude control can be expected to live
after a good competent rebuild?
5. Does anyone have a recommendation on a reliable source to rebuild the
individual components of this system?
6. Does anyone have a recommendation on a reliable source to overhaul the
entire system on the plane....in less than a month?
Thanks,
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
Moe,
I cannot answer your question(s) as to MTBF on overhauled autopilot
components -- especially on a system of the M4 vintage.
Autopilot Central in Tulsa, OK, was the last place I took an M4 system and
they were willing and able to test and repair the computer boards down to an
individual capacitor or resistor rather than swap out entire boards.
One thing that Bob Ferguson pointed out to me re: autopilot longevity was
that "everyone has a maintenance program for the airframe and engines but nobody
has scheduled maintenance for autopilots and servos."
Good point ....
Give them a call and see if you can get a handle on their inventory of spares
for the M4 and if there's any technicians left who are old enough to
understand the system. I think they'll be honest with you if it's time to gut
your
FP and go with an STEC.
Autopilot Central
3112 N. 74th East Avenue
Tulsa OK 74115
tel 918-836-6418
fax 918-835-3534
attn: Barry Sparks or Robert Ferguson
Good luck.
I agree with you, by the way. Given your operating environment, a
functioning a/p is a must.
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | CloudCraft(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE |
In a message dated 12/18/03 13:23:15 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
writes:
Pretty quite out there. Anybody flying anyplace interesting for the
holidays?? I am working on getting triple 2 back in the air.
Capt. JimBob,
That's great news about 3 Twos. Where did you dig up a pair of engines?
As for me, I'm too busy with the biz jet thing. Just in from 6 back-to-back
days and launching on Friday for 9 days. Not all of it will be flying ... a
bit of sitting on my tail in New York but a nice variety of places like
Durango, CO; Truckee, CA; Redding, CA; some upstate NY and the Big City as I said.
As always, I will be listening for Commanders on the ATC frequencies. It
always makes me pleased to hear you guys in the air.
Happy Holidays to all, (Even to our Mates in Oz who have Christmas in the
middle of summer, of all things)
Wing Commander Gordon
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Moe,
I can't speak for S-TEC now but they used my plane for the STC for
Commanders. This was in 1988 and I have not had any problems with it that
was not my error. I wish every thing else on the plane was that good. If you
have any questions I would be glad to answer them. I have a 500-A and had
them put in the S-TEC 65 with FD and all the bells except yaw damper which
we did not think was necessary. I really do like it.
jtaddington(at)charter.net
Jim Addington
N444BD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
MOEMILLS(at)aol.com
Subject: Commander-List: Autopilot
Commander drivers,
I need advice.
My M4 autopilot has pretty much died recently after having minor "band aid"
repairs done which has kept it somewhat operating for the last few hundred
hours. Should I have it completely rebuilt or should I wait for S-TEC ?
Obviously the autopilot is pretty important to me as all of my flying is
single pilot
and most of it is in very crowded conditions (Los Angeles Basin based).
Within reason, at this time I am more concerned with a good autopilot with
dependability and longevity than the initial price.
Below are some numbered questions which I would greatly appreciate anyone
with experience answering.
1. How many flight hours can a primary servo be expected to live after a
good
competent rebuild?
2. How many flight hours can a trim servo be expected to live after a good
competent rebuild?
3. How many flight hours can a flight computer be expected to live after a
good competent rebuild?
4. How many flight hours can an altitude control can be expected to live
after a good competent rebuild?
5. Does anyone have a recommendation on a reliable source to rebuild the
individual components of this system?
6. Does anyone have a recommendation on a reliable source to overhaul the
entire system on the plane....in less than a month?
Thanks,
Moe Mills
N680RR
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE |
In a message dated 12/18/2003 7:10:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
CloudCraft(at)aol.com writes:
Where did you dig up a pair of engines?
Great to hear from you WCG. Believe it or don't, they were only 100 miles
from here. Overhauled a long time ago (Back when there were lots of new parts
lying about), but properly stored. I will remove the cyls to check for any
signs of deterioration from age, install all new overhead gaskets and do some
detailing to improve the cosmetics to look like the engines done now (Gold cad
plating etc.). It is still a big job, but oh well. I also plan to instal new
oil cells, and new brake disc and linings and............... You get the idea!!
Hope you have a great Christmas!! jb
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE |
How old is the "0" in years?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Commander-List: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE
>
> HI KIDS..
>
> Pretty quite out there. Anybody flying anyplace interesting for
the
> holidays?? I am working on getting triple 2 back in the air. I have
bought a
> couple of "0" engines. I am looking them over to make certain they are in
> good shape after sitting for years. I think they will be just fine. I am
> detailing them now.
> I have been delivering a bunch of airplanes, but no Commanders :-(
The
> last two have been the new American Aviation Scout. Great little
airplane!! I
> have a UPF-7 Waco to deliver if it makes it out of annual. Then a 680 to
> Canada. Hope all is well in your Commanderland!! jb
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/20/03 |
Hi Jim;
Yesterday I flew 69U from Colorado Springs, CO to Denton, TX just North of DFW.
Left the airplane with Dalton Aviation (great folks) (2.19 gas); the owner just
happens to have a 700 the only one I have ever seen. Looks like they built
it upside down:--)) I am taking a 777 to Frankfurt, Germany for a few days, be
back Christmas eve. Then flying some family back to C springs for the holidays.
Just finished annual on 69U last week. I remember you talking something about
sending in the spar inspection info to the faa. please refresh my memory.
Merry Christmas
God Bless the USA and Twin Commanders
dan farmer
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From: "Bill Bow"
Subject: Re: Commander-List: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE
How old is the "0" in years?
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Commander-List: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE
>
> HI KIDS..
>
> Pretty quite out there. Anybody flying anyplace interesting for
the
> holidays?? I am working on getting triple 2 back in the air. I have
bought a
> couple of "0" engines. I am looking them over to make certain they are in
> good shape after sitting for years. I think they will be just fine. I am
> detailing them now.
> I have been delivering a bunch of airplanes, but no Commanders :-(
The
> last two have been the new American Aviation Scout. Great little
airplane!! I
> have a UPF-7 Waco to deliver if it makes it out of annual. Then a 680 to
> Canada. Hope all is well in your Commanderland!! jb
>
>
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/20/03 |
A friend gave me an autobiography of Bob Hoover to read. Foreword by Chuck
Yeager. Just started. Having a hard time putting it down. Didn't know it
existed.
Nico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Farmer" <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/20/03
>
> Hi Jim;
>
> Yesterday I flew 69U from Colorado Springs, CO to Denton, TX just North of
DFW.
> Left the airplane with Dalton Aviation (great folks) (2.19 gas); the
owner just happens to have a 700 the only one I have ever seen. Looks like
they built it upside down:--)) I am taking a 777 to Frankfurt, Germany for
a few days, be back Christmas eve. Then flying some family back to C
springs for the holidays.
>
> Just finished annual on 69U last week. I remember you talking something
about sending in the spar inspection info to the faa. please refresh my
memory.
>
> Merry Christmas
> God Bless the USA and Twin Commanders
> dan farmer
>
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> 1. 08:35 AM - Re: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE (Bill Bow)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
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> From: "Bill Bow"
> Subject: Re: Commander-List: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE
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>
> How old is the "0" in years?
>
> bilbo
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> Subject: Commander-List: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE
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> >
> > HI KIDS..
> >
> > Pretty quite out there. Anybody flying anyplace interesting for
> the
> > holidays?? I am working on getting triple 2 back in the air. I have
> bought a
> > couple of "0" engines. I am looking them over to make certain they are
in
> > good shape after sitting for years. I think they will be just fine. I am
> > detailing them now.
> > I have been delivering a bunch of airplanes, but no Commanders :-(
> The
> > last two have been the new American Aviation Scout. Great little
> airplane!! I
> > have a UPF-7 Waco to deliver if it makes it out of annual. Then a 680 to
> > Canada. Hope all is well in your Commanderland!! jb
> >
> >
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/20/03 |
Is it "Forever flying?? jb
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| From: | "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/20/03 |
Yes. Sorry, I didn't mention the name. Just past the incident in USSR where
he showed them how it should be done. :-)
Nico
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From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/20/03
>
> Is it "Forever flying?? jb
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE |
| From: | Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au> |
Our beloved Wing Commander!
Enough Summer cheek from you...
Up here in the Topend of Oz we have it very wet right now (just had a severe
tropical cyclone go through 100 km from here).
A safe festive season to all...remember take some time to pencil in the '04
Sept Flyin right in your new diaries (WCG has promised to make it in '04)!
Best wishes from Oz
Russell
On 19/12/03 12:39 PM, "CloudCraft(at)aol.com" wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/18/03 13:23:15 Pacific Standard Time, YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
> writes:
> Pretty quite out there. Anybody flying anyplace interesting for the
> holidays?? I am working on getting triple 2 back in the air.
> Capt. JimBob,
>
> That's great news about 3 Twos. Where did you dig up a pair of engines?
>
> As for me, I'm too busy with the biz jet thing. Just in from 6 back-to-back
> days and launching on Friday for 9 days. Not all of it will be flying ... a
> bit of sitting on my tail in New York but a nice variety of places like
> Durango, CO; Truckee, CA; Redding, CA; some upstate NY and the Big City as I
> said.
>
> As always, I will be listening for Commanders on the ATC frequencies. It
> always makes me pleased to hear you guys in the air.
>
> Happy Holidays to all, (Even to our Mates in Oz who have Christmas in the
> middle of summer, of all things)
>
> Wing Commander Gordon
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> |
Dan,
When you get back to Denton give me a call at 566-2651 or 382 3150 local. I
live in Denton and would be glad to at least say hi or get an ice tea or
lunch and see your plane.
Jim Addington
N444BD
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| From: | "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/20/03 |
I enjoyed it.
"Gee Mister thats the biggest nose I've ever seen."
bilbo
----- Original Message -----
From: "css nico" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/20/03
>
> A friend gave me an autobiography of Bob Hoover to read. Foreword by Chuck
> Yeager. Just started. Having a hard time putting it down. Didn't know it
> existed.
> Nico
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Farmer" <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/20/03
>
>
> >
> > Hi Jim;
> >
> > Yesterday I flew 69U from Colorado Springs, CO to Denton, TX just North
of
> DFW.
> > Left the airplane with Dalton Aviation (great folks) (2.19 gas); the
> owner just happens to have a 700 the only one I have ever seen. Looks
like
> they built it upside down:--)) I am taking a 777 to Frankfurt, Germany
for
> a few days, be back Christmas eve. Then flying some family back to C
> springs for the holidays.
> >
> > Just finished annual on 69U last week. I remember you talking something
> about sending in the spar inspection info to the faa. please refresh my
> memory.
> >
> > Merry Christmas
> > God Bless the USA and Twin Commanders
> > dan farmer
> >
> > Commander-List Digest Server
wrote:
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> >
> > ==================================================
> > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
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> > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features
Hyperlinked
> > Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
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> > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
> >
> > HTML Version:
> >
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http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2003-12-20.html
> >
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> >
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> > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
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> > Total Messages Posted Sat 12/20/03: 1
> >
> >
> > Today's Message Index:
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> >
> > 1. 08:35 AM - Re: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE (Bill Bow)
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: "Bill Bow"
> > Subject: Re: Commander-List: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE
> >
> >
> > How old is the "0" in years?
> >
> > bilbo
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > Subject: Commander-List: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE
> >
> >
> > >
> > > HI KIDS..
> > >
> > > Pretty quite out there. Anybody flying anyplace interesting for
> > the
> > > holidays?? I am working on getting triple 2 back in the air. I have
> > bought a
> > > couple of "0" engines. I am looking them over to make certain they are
> in
> > > good shape after sitting for years. I think they will be just fine. I
am
> > > detailing them now.
> > > I have been delivering a bunch of airplanes, but no Commanders :-(
> > The
> > > last two have been the new American Aviation Scout. Great little
> > airplane!! I
> > > have a UPF-7 Waco to deliver if it makes it out of annual. Then a 680
to
> > > Canada. Hope all is well in your Commanderland!! jb
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: PRETTY QUITE OT YHERE |
In a message dated 12/20/2003 8:36:01 AM Pacific Standard Time,
bowing74(at)earthlink.net writes:
How old is the "0" in years?
WELL....They were overhauled about the year I graduated from high school!!
The bad news is they were done a long time ago, the good news is they were done
a long time ago!! I have removed all of the cylinders and the blower
housings from both engines and the gearbox from one. They look great inside.
The
cams and followers are new and show no signs of any rust.
One engine looks like an everyday overhaul, remembering this was before
we arbitrarily through our cylinders away. Hence, the jugs are cleaned, fresh
chromed and the pistons have seen service but measure within new overhaul
tolerances. The other engine looks different. The seller commented that he
thought the case was new. It was unpainted. I wasn't sure but upon inspection,
I
believe that not only is the case new, so is the entire articulating group,
crank, rods etc. Remember these were done so long ago that new parts were only
a phone call away. One engine has a metal tag riveted to the gearbox stating
that the engine has 1374TT, 0:00 SMOH. The other say the TT was N/A, 0:00
SMOH These tags were found on all military engines.
So, I have all of the steel cylinder attaching parts (rocker covers,
intake tubes, nuts etc.) at the cad platter getting a fresh gold cad job. I have
all new gaskets from the case out and new intake and oil drain hoses. In
fact, I plan to eliminate the aluminum oil drain hoses from the cyl head and
replace them with a longer rubber hose. The cases will get a fresh coat of Imron
and the cylinders new black high temp paint, like they looked in 1959.
I will also replace all of the installation fluid hoses and scat hoses.
I just 5 hrs ago install all new rubber motor mounts. All in all I am very
pleased with the engines, they should run longer than I will fly triple 2!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!! jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
HI KIDS.
All of you straight 500 owners. There is a brand new carburetor
air box on ebay. Only fits a 500. Good luck. MERRY CHRISTMAS!! jb
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i cannoy locate the air box on ebay. any clues, any other interest? al hoffman
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i found it. it has no baffles but is new. who is commander711ne? he was other
bidder. al hoffman
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| From: | "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net> |
Try this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2449947727
&category=26439
Deneal Schilmeister
1995 SL320 100k
St. Louis & Cincinnati
http://homepage.mac.com/deneals
> -----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of alh1(at)juno.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 1:28 AM
> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Commander-List: Re: 500 air box
>
>
>
> i cannoy locate the air box on ebay. any clues, any other interest?
al
> hoffman
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| From: | "John Williams" <keyscrusing(at)earthlink.net> |
From the chilly Florida Keys we're wishing all on the list a very merry and safe
holiday season! It's not supposed to get over 75F today so we'll all be in coats
and long pants!
Best wishes to all and FLY SAFE!
John & Colleen Williams N519W
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Happy Holidays |
HI JOHN!!
It it great to hear from you. I am spending the holidays in N. Idaho where we
have about a foot of snow (Burrrr) It is really pretty and we have had a great
Christmas. We will be traveling to S. Idaho tomorrow to pick up my granddaughter
and then home. We are driving, of cource, since triple 2 still has a tummy
ache in her left engine. Should be flying by the end of Jan. Hope you (and
all of the Commander list) have great Christmas and happy new year!! jb
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| From: | YOURTCFG(at)aol.com |
Go to ebay then "aero commander" Good luck and Merry Christmas!! jb
October 27, 2003 - December 29, 2003
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