Cub-Archive.digest.vol-aa
July 05, 2002 - November 30, 2008
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Welcome to the CUB-LIST at Matronics! |
Welcome!
This is the first message to the new Cub List at Matronics!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)owc.net> |
| Subject: | J-3 seat cushions |
Hello Cub-listers,
I have not seen any messages on this list yet, so I thought I'd see if
anyone else is listening.
We're new Cub owners and looking for suggestions for the most
comfortable seat arrangement (sling modifications, foam type, cushion
material, etc.). Suggestions?
Thanks!
Rick
Hampshire, IL
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| From: | "Dan Francis" <dfra80(at)dellepro.com> |
Rick,
I don't have much to offer about cushions except mine has a large
wrap around rear back cushion which is comfortable and looks real good.
It came with the airplane so I don't know where you can get them. I
live in St. Charles, IL and keep my 1939 J-3 at Olson if you would like
to take a look.
Dan
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| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cub Cushions |
My name is Larry K. Daudt.. A friend and I are planning to build a Daytona
Cub and install the Wheel floats offered for the kit.. does anyone have
experience with the project of the people involved??
Thanks in advance..
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| Subject: | Re: Cub-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 07/15/02 |
Please unsubscribe us!!
Thank you
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| From: | James Kale <kale(at)snowhill.com> |
I am looking for a couple of clockwise rotation impulse couplers for
some Eisemann LA4 magnetos. I hope someone out there knows where to
find them. I need them for my restored J-3 Cub.
Jim Kale
kale(at)snowhill.com
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Getting Bounced From Matronics Lists... |
Dear Listers,
I have two programs I run regularly to purge the various Matronics email
lists of bad email addresses. I referred to these as my Email Weasels and
there is a daily version that is run automatically every night at midnight
and there is a and a monthly version that I run by hand at roughly 30-day
intervals.
The Daily Weasel grinds through the 8 to 10mb of bounced email that is
generated each day looking for obvious things like "user unknown", "host
unknown", and other things that usually mean the user's email address
doesn't exist any longer. The Daily Weasel has been purging 5 to 10 email
addresses each night.
The Monthly Weasel gets more serious about the task and sends a single
message to each list member with specially generated headers and content
information. Any bounces or replies to these messages are considered
errors and the email address is eligible for purging. This program is
particularly useful for "weaseling out" email addresses that are actually
being forwarded to by another email address that is subscribed to a List
and otherwise would not be identifiable. The Monthly Weasel purges roughly
100 nonexistent email addresses each month when it is run.
To check to see if your address has been removed by either of the Email
Weasel programs, you can check the Weasel Status Web Page at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If you find your email address on the Weasel List, but are certain that
everything is working fine now, simply go the Matronics Subscription page
and resubscribe your address. No harm, no foul. The subscription URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
That all having been said, I've noticed that the Daily Weasel may have been
getting a little too aggressive in purging addresses recently and a number
of people have written asking if and why they'd been dropped from the List.
A couple of months ago I rewrote the Daily Weasel program to include a
wider variety of errors and more aggressively purge. One of the new purge
criteria that I added seems to occur a fair amount of the time (Connection
Deferred) even though the address is really okay.
As of today, I've removed the Connection Deferred criteria from the Daily
Weasel Rule set and this should decrease the number of "false positives"
and unnecessary unsubscribed.
Again, if you get unsubscribed by either of the Email Weasel utilities,
simply go to the subscription page and resubscribe:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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| From: | "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds(at)macs.net> |
czech-list(at)matronics.com, europa-list(at)matronics.com, ez-list(at)matronics.com,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com, homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com,
kolb-list(at)matronics.com, kr-list(at)matronics.com, lancair-list(at)matronics.com,
pelican-list(at)matronics.com, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com,
piper-list(at)matronics.com, pitts-list(at)matronics.com,
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, rv4-list(at)matronics.com, rv6-list(at)matronics.com,
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, sonerai-list(at)matronics.com,
tailwind-list(at)matronics.com, ultralight-list(at)matronics.com,
warbird-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com,
zenith-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: | EAA Chapter 339 Fall Fly-In |
EAA Chapter 339 Fall Fly-In
Saturday, October 19, 2002, Hampton Roads Exec (PVG), Virginia, 9AM till
7PM
Hampton Roads Exec (PVG) is 27nm SW of Norfolk, Virginia (253 radial
?ORF)
AWOS 118.375
CTAF 123.0
The weather will be a perfect Virginia fall day!
Aircraft parking is off taxiway between Rwy 23 and T-Hangars East of
Airport Terminal
Schedule of Events
Fly-In Begins 9AM
Food all Day 10AM ? 3PM
Poker Run (Walk Around Field)
Project Visits on Field
Aircraft Judging 11AM ? 3PM, All Categories, Antiques, Classics,
Homebuilts, Warbirds
Social Hour 4PM
Dinner 5PM ? 7PM, BBQ Sandwiches, Chicken, Drinks
Local motels/hotels are available
For More Information
Frank Toy 757-460-3680
ftoy(at)att.net
Richard Reynolds 757-627-8743
rvreynolds(at)macs.net
EAA Chapter 339
http://home.earthlink.net/~avyator/
Hampton Roads Exec Airport
http://www.hamptonroadsexecutiveairport.com/index.html
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| From: | "Richard V. Reynolds" <rvreynolds(at)macs.net> |
czech-list(at)matronics.com, europa-list(at)matronics.com, ez-list(at)matronics.com,
glasair-list(at)matronics.com, homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com,
kolb-list(at)matronics.com, kr-list(at)matronics.com, lancair-list(at)matronics.com,
pelican-list(at)matronics.com, pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com,
piper-list(at)matronics.com, pitts-list(at)matronics.com,
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, rv4-list(at)matronics.com, rv6-list(at)matronics.com,
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, sonerai-list(at)matronics.com,
tailwind-list(at)matronics.com, ultralight-list(at)matronics.com,
warbird-list(at)matronics.com, yak-list(at)matronics.com,
zenith-list(at)matronics.com
| Subject: | EAA Chapter 339 Fall Fly-In |
EAA Chapter 339 Fall Fly-In
Saturday, October 19, 2002, Hampton Roads Exec (PVG), Virginia, 9AM till
7PM
Hampton Roads Exec (PVG) is 13.5nm SW of Norfolk, Virginia (253 radial
(ORF)
AWOS 118.375
CTAF 123.0
The weather will really be a perfect Virginia fall day!
Aircraft parking is off taxiway between Rwy 23 and T-Hangars East of
Airport Terminal
Schedule of Events
Fly-In Begins 9AM
Food all Day 10AM - 3PM
Poker Run (Walk Around Field)
Project Visits on Field
Aircraft Judging 11AM - 3PM, All Categories, Antiques, Classics,
Homebuilts, Warbirds
Social Hour 4PM
Dinner 5PM - 7PM, BBQ Sandwiches, Chicken, Drinks
Local motels/hotels are available
For More Information
Frank Toy 757-460-3680
ftoy(at)att.net
Richard Reynolds 757-627-8743
rvreynolds(at)macs.net
EAA Chapter 339
http://home.earthlink.net/~avyator/
Hampton Roads Exec Airport
http://www.hamptonroadsexecutiveairport.com/index.html
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2002 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show much traffic the
Lists generated last year alone:
11/01/2001 - 10/31/2002
Web server hits: 8,700,000 (727,000/mo)
Incoming Email Posts: 51,259 (4,271/mo) *
* This number is multiplied by the total number of email addresses
subscribed to the given List. The actual number of email message processed
is in the 50,000,000 range for last year!!
The new Internet provider, Speakeasy, has been providing extremely fast and
reliable service over the last year, and this has certainly been a
refreshing change from previous providers!
There were a couple of new features added at the tail-end of last year
including the new List Browse Feature ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
), and the List Photoshare which have been both very popular. Many people
have written to say how much they enjoy the on-line browsing capability of
current week's messages. The 184 new Photoshares (
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ) added over the last year attests to
its acceptance and appreciation in the community as well.
I have upgraded both the email and web server OS systems recently to the
latest - well almost the latest - version of Redhat Linux and Kernel
2.4.19, both of which have been working very well and quite reliably.
What does the future hold? Well, something pretty exciting I'm
hoping... I am currently evaluating a new, commercially available software
package that runs under Linux and provides a complete web-based Email List
service akin to what those other guys use. The difference will be that
there won't be any annoying advertisements and popup ads on the Matronics
system!! The system will continue to be dedicated to furthering Lists
activities and not trying to sell you something you don't want. My hope is
to keep most if not all of the current functionality in place and add the
new software system over the top. Some of the system will be replaced
(like majordomo), but the lists will work much like they do today - only
BETTER! As I mentioned, I am currently in the evaluation stage of this and
have yet to select a final product. Suffice to say some facelifts are
definitely on the way!
Unlike many of the other "list servers" on the web these days, I have a
strict no-commercial-advertisement policy on the Matronics Lists and
associated List websites. I have been approached by a number of vendors
recently with advertising deals that have been very tempting. However, my
commitment to providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment
prevails! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks. My goal with the Matronics List
Service is to provide my members with a commercial-free, safe, and
high-performance system in which to share information, ideas, and
camaraderie.
I recoup my upgrade, maintenance, and operating costs by having a List Fund
Raiser once a year during November. During this time, I ask List members
to donate a small amount of money to support the continued operation of the
Lists over the upcoming year. Contributions in the $20, $30, and $50 range
are common. This year I have completely revamped the Contribution website,
and have added the ability to use PayPal to make your Contribution in
addition to the traditional Visa/MC and Personal Check Options. Its easier
and faster than ever before to make your Contribution!! For those who are
accustomed to using PayPal to make Internet purchases, will appreciate the
ease and speed of using this handy method of payment to make their List
Contribution.
The best news this year, however, is that I have a couple of fantastic Gift
offers to support the List Fund Raiser! Andy Gold of The Builder's
Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ) will be generously donating a
FREE Jeppesen Flight Bag to anyone making a $50 or more List Contribution
during the Fund Raiser! This is a great bag and something you'll surely
what to get your hands on. Thanks Andy, for this great incentive!!
In addition to the great Flight Bag, I will also be offering a FREE
Matronics List Archive CDROM for a $50 or greater Contribution! This is a
complete set of archives for all Email Lists currently hosted by
Matronics. The Archives date back to the beginning of the each List. In
the case of the RV-List, for example, this includes archives all the way
back to 1990! That's about 133Mb alone! Also included on the CD is a copy
of Chip Gibbion's Windows Archive Search Utility and a precompiled
search-index for each archive on the CD.
Better yet?! You can get BOTH the Flight Bag AND the Archive CD for a
Contribution of $75 or more which is actually LESS than the combined retail
price on the two items!!! How can you go wrong? Get some great stuff AND
support your Lists at the same time!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR support!
I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who supports the
List this year. Your generosity contributes directly to the quality of the
experience here.
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with
a Personal Check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as additional
information on the various methods of payment.
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Again, I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this
year! Your Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New List Digest Feature!! [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I've added a new feature to the Digest format of the Lists tonight. At the
top of each digest you will find a new Index Listing of all of the messages
found within that Digest including the Message Number, Subject, Poster, and
Time of Day posted.
I've also added a "Message Number" header to each message within the Digest
so that its easy to find 'just the message' you were looking for!
Sorry for the double posting of the digests tonight - the first time I
didn't quite have the code right and a few "bogus" entries made it into the
Index. I went ahead and reposted the Digest so that everyone could see how
the Index-to-Message mapping really worked.
Special 'thanks' to Gary Hall for not only suggesting a Digest Index, but
also supplying a few samples on how it might look. Gary, I think you'll be
quite pleased with the format!
Don't forget that were right in the middle of this year's List Fund Raiser
and if you haven't already made your Contribution, you own it to yourself
to check out the great free Gifts that are available this year with your
qualifying Contribution.
The Lists are operated completely though the support of it members, and so
its up to YOU to get that credit card out and make that $20, $30, or $50
show of support for the continued operation of the Lists.
Won't you take a couple of minutes and make a quick Contribution on the all
new, streamlined List Support web site? I've also added a
Payment-through-PayPal option this year, and this is proving a very popular
method of payment. Don't forget to check out the great free gifts you can
get with a qualifying Contribution this year. I can't believe how popular
they've been this year! Hurry and get your's today and support the Lists
at the same time!
Here's the SSL Secure URL for making your Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser - What Listers Are Saying... |
Dear Listers,
First, I'd like say *thank you* to everyone that's already made a
Contribution to this year's List Fund Raiser! Thank you! If you haven't
already made a Contribution, won't you take a movement and show your
support for these valuable services? Since there's no advertising or other
forms of direct commercialism on the forums to support the Lists, its soley
YOUR GENEROSITY that keeps them running!!
Won't please take a minute and make a Contribution via the SSL secure web
site via Credit Card, Paypal, or personal check. Here's the URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
This year, I've been getting some *really* nice comments from Contributors
and I thought I'd pass along a few of them below. What does the List mean
to *you*?
Thank you for your support!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
_________________ What your fellow Listers are saying... _________________
...great service!!
Greg B.
They have been a great assistance to me in building my RV-8.
Kevin H.
...very much appreciated.
Donald M.
Great site...
Angus F.
...invaluable resource.
Ronald C
[The List] has played a big part in continuing my project at
those times when I got stuck for some reason.
Jeff D.
Although I am only a reader, I find the list very helpful.
Oswaldo F.
The lists are a fantastic resource and are helping me very much...
Kenyon B.
The list is part of my life.
Ron C.
The CD will free up some hard disk space on my personal PC.
Jeff D.
...unbelievably useful.
Dan O.
...dependable and valued source of builder information.
Jerry C.
My daily lifeline!
Owen B.
...frequently get questions answered on the List.
Billy W.
Don't know how any first-time builder could get by without the lists.
Rick R.
...great source of information and motivation.
Jef V.
Super resource!
David P.
The information presented is very helpful to the building process.
James B.
Wonderful Service!
Wendell D.
The lists are great!
F. Robert M.
...very valuable to this builder.
William C.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | steve <steve(at)oasissolutions.com> |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser Continues... |
Marie Murillo
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder this morning that we're well into this year's Email
List Fund Raiser. Response has been great so far and there has been a lot
of interest in the Gift options. Speaking of those Gifts, I received a
sample of the Jeppesen Flight Bag from Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore
http://www.buildersbooks.com this weekend, and let me just say that this is
an extremely fine quality unit. Its very light, folds down into a very
small form for storage, and will hold a whole lot of your "pilot
stuff"! For a mere $50 List Contribution, one of these very nice bags
could be yours! You'll be the envy of all your friends.
Won't you make a Contribution today to support the these valuable Email
List Services? Please remember that its YOUR generosity that entirely
supports the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists. That's it - no
ads, no banners - just good clean fun; that is, with your support of course!
Please take a moment and make a generous Contribution today. It only takes
a minute using the newly redesigned Contribution Web Site where you can use
either a Credit Card, PayPal, or a Personal Check to make your donation.
The URL for the SSL Secure Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
And I'd like to say a special "thank you!" to everyone one who has made
Contribution so far this year!! I really appreciate your generosity!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Wow, I can't belive some of the nice things people have been saying about
the Lists in that little message box on the Contribution form! I've
included more of the great comments since the last WLAS. Thank you to
everyone that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great
feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!!
Have a look at some of your fellow members thoughts below and decide if the
Lists mean at least that much to you or perhaps even more...
Won't you take a moment and make a Contribution to support these
Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, high-performance List
services? Its your direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that
enables all of these valuable services you've come to expect of the
Matronics Lists.
Thank you for your Contribution!!
SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
EMail List Administrator
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=================== What Listers Are Saying - II ====================
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I check this List 4 to 5 times a day...
-Bruce B.
These are without a doubt among the best managed
Lists to which I subscribe.
-Terry W.
Thank you for providing such a wonderful service.
-Roy W.
...fine service!
-Christopher A.
Best list on the Internet!
-Geroge A.
Great list with a host of features.
-David A.
Having built part of a kit... ...I know exactly how
much this list means to me and others.
-Curtis H.
As always... you've got a real cool & very useful
service going...
-Chuck R.
I shudder to think of the trouble I would have had
getting this project airborne without this list!
-Grant C.
...enjoy everyone's input.
-Doug P.
I read the [the List] every day...
-Ronald S.
Whenever I feel like not building on my day
off....I open my mail and the [the List] gets me
pumped and ready to hit it!
-Tom E.
The Digest Message subject list is an excellent
addition.
-Kevin S.
Certainly the [the List] has been a valuable source
for building support and advice, but there's another
benefit,... the wonderful friends that we meet and
keep for years and years!
-Fred H.
What a great forum to exchange ideas and info.
-Terry L.
The List is my daily RV fix.
-Neil H.
I always received comments and suggestions when
I requested them.
-Thomas G.
Best resource a builder could ever have. A daily
must!
-Robert C.
Thanks for your gift - these web sites!
-Tom P.
...great info.
-Richard W.
The List empowers all RV builders to achieve success...
-Mark G.
I've been reading the postings for a month now and
decided to take the plunge as a result of the
helpfulness and spirit of cooperation I observed.
-Tim P.
...invaluable service.
-Ford F.
I check in at least twice daily for my e-mail "Fix".
-John S.
Its worth every penny of my contribution.
-Paul M.
Wonderful web site and it keeps getting better.
-Jim H.
A valuable list which has certainly helped me.
-Andrew G.
...the List helps so many.
-Don J.
I really appreciate the site and find it interesting
to speak to people who are into this type of aircraft.
-Larry M.
This is a great recreation for me.
-Larry B.
[The List] keeps me up to date and provides a fantastic
resource for information.
-Terry F.
Lists are a great resource!
-Daniel S.
...great service and professional administration of
the Lists.
-Chris R.
I really appreciate the List.
-Edward O.
Worth every penny, and then some!
-Kenyon B.
...great service.
-Ralph H.
Your unselfish contribution to the experimental
aircraft movement is very much appreciated!
-Alex M.
Great help on the Aeroelectric list.
-Bruce B.
It helps on a daily basis.
-Tim G.
Thanks for providing this outstanding service to us!
-Michel T.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | LOC Coming Soon... |
Dear Listers,
This year's List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner. I'll be
posting the LOC on or about December 1. The List of Contributors is a
directory of everyone's name that made a Contribution during this year's
List Fund Raiser. Its kind of my way of publicly thanking everyone that so
generously made a Contribution to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these Lists.
Support your Lists today and make sure that your name is on the upcoming
LOC! Your friends will be checking no doubt to see if YOU make your
Contribution because THEY did! :-)
Support Contribution Info - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
Dear Listers,
I got to thinking today that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund
Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List
Services here provide a far better experience than the commercial
equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is
outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of
messages online for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses. I am currently working on the additional ability to post and/or
reply directly from the List Browse interface. More on this upcoming
feature in the next week or so.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where
also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related
Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 9,000,000 hits
each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over
50,000,000 (yes, that 50 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each
year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
We are quickly approaching the end of November and the official end of the
List Fund Raiser. If you look forward to checking your List email everyday
(and a lot of you have written to say that you do!), then you're probably
getting at least $20 or $30 worth of Entertainment from the Lists each
year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription to some lame magazine or
even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least that much to
you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount and get a
well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support
YOUR Lists.
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution
thus far during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made
possible exclusively through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Free Gift Shipping Status... |
Dear Listers,
A couple of people have written asking what the shipping status was of
their free List Contribution Gifts. Seemed like some status was in order
and I thought I detail where we're at...
Flight Bag Requests
-------------------
On 11/20/02 I shipped out the first batch of Flight Bag-Only (FBO) gift
requests. I shipped all FBO gift requests I had received from 11/1 to
11/19 except for 3 (Sorry guys!) - I ran out of my first shipment flight
bags! Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com
) is supplying me with another batch flight bags which should arrive in
about 2 weeks.
By the way, these are REALLY nice Flight Bags. Extremely well built and
very professional looking. Folds down into a very small size, but will
hold a huge amount of stuff. If you fly, and you've got a lot of stuff,
they you WANT one of these guys. Surf over to the List Contribution page
for details on how to get one of your own!!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The Flight Bags have been shipped out US Mail Parcel Post in a large, and I
mean LARGE, padded white plastic envelope. According to the Post Office,
worse case delivery time would be 8 days to destinations on the East Coast,
but indicated it would likely take a lot less time.
Archive CDROM Requests
----------------------
The Archive CDROMs will be mastered and burned on or about December 1 and
should ship out shortly there after. Shipping will be US Mail, Media Rate
in a big padded white envelope. The Archive List data included will be up
to November 30th.
Flight Bag and Archive CDROM Requests
-------------------------------------
These combination orders will ship out when the Archive CDROMs are complete
as described above, likely a little after December 1. The Flight Bag and
the CDROM will be shipped together in the same Giant white padded envelope!
Again, I want to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore for providing
these awesome Flight Bags to support the List Fund Raiser. Andy has gone
way beyond the call of duty with regard to his support of the Lists this
year and to show your gratitude I would ask that you have a look at his web
site and great media offerings. You'll find some excellent deals on some
very useful material. http://www.buildersbooks.com
And finally, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a
Contribution so far this year! Your generosity and kindness is greatly
appreciated. If you've been putting off making a Contribution, now's a
great time show your appreciation in plenty of time to make it onto this
year's List of Contributors AND get your free gift with qualifying
Contribution!!!
List Contribution Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution/
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New List FAQs! |
Dear Listers,
I got to looking at the Email List FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) today
and realized that they where miserably out of date. I spent a wad of time
today completely revising them and adding in documentation on all of the
many new features such as the List Browse and Photoshare. Many of the
little-known features are documented in there now, too, so even if you're a
seasoned List veteran, you might want to give it a read. Never know what
you might discover.
At the bottom of this message in the Trailer you will find a new link item
called "List FAQ" with a URL for this specific List. Just click on it and
print it out or read it online.
Don't forget that November is the List Fund Raiser month! The "2002 List
of Contributors" is just days away and I know you'll want to make sure your
name is on it!! Please make your Contribution today to support the
continued operation of these List Services!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
There are only a few days left until the November List of Contributors. I
thought I'd take another opportunity to pass along some of the really nice
things people have been saying recently about the Lists and how much they
mean to them.
If you receive value from the Lists in the form of ideas, assistance,
comradery, moral support, inspiration, or just plain 'ol good
entertainment, then won't take a moment to make a Contribution to support
the continued operation and upgrade of them?
Secure List Contribution Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
What does the List mean to you? Here's what some of your fellow
contributing List members have said...
------------------------- What Listers Are Saying -------------------------
Great service for aviation types like me.
Larry H
Best investment I've made.
Harley B
I've been on this list since around 1996 and used it to
help me finish my RV-6A three years ago. I'm still here
because I still learn from it and use it to help others
like me who may be where nobody else is building a RV.
Thanks for your service to our community. It's appreciated.
Jim S
[List] people are a great break away from politics, religion
and other sordid subjects.
Robert B
This site is a great confidence builder for the amateur builder.
Gene L
Great service!
Barry P
Very handy list to have, a good place for a beginner to
get great answers from those who already experienced it.
...sure enjoy reading it.
Joel R
...valuable service!
Chris & Indira K
This is the better than any morning paper - the best and
most frequent service that I use on the Internet. Great
job! This will make building the RV doable for me.
Pete E
I enjoy all of the ideas, suggestions and humor that comes
with this list. I don't think I could build my RV4 with
out everyone's help.
Ross S
GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!
James W
The list is a great source of information, motivation,
entertainment, passionate debate, and light-hearted back
slapping. I wouldn't be without it.
Roger H
...would still be looking for plans to hook-up s-tec auto
pilot without your service!
David S
The new [digest] format is good.
Graham S
Great information you can't get anywhere else. Lots of nice
people who have "Been there...done that."
George D
My normal morning routine:
1 Kiss "the princess"
2 Good cup of coffee
3 Log onto "List"
A wonderful means of exchanging ideas, asking questions,
gathering information, and sharing experiences.
Robert G
Great lists. Not only are the lists professionally and efficiently
managed, but the *people* on the lists are very helpful, friendly
and fun to chat with. Thank you for this wonderful resource.
Ihab A
Thanks a million, well maybe not a million!!! (:
Ken H
I need this fix every morning or I get grumpy...
Wayne P
Very useful lists
Paul E
This communication medium that you created, nurtured and
continue to maintain is the best thing since AN rivets!
Jim J
The information I gleaned off the list has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
I've been a subscriber to varied lists for several years
now. The knowledge provided has been extremely useful
throughout.
David P
Enjoy everyone's input even though I am not a
builder...just a flyer.
Douglas P
Just laughin' and a scratchin'
Dennis N
It is a real asset and good for comic relief.
Ross S
I can't build my plane without your service!
Kent H
Great info on the lists!
Wesley H
I'm very new to the List but have already benefited
greatly.
Jim S
The "List" has been my best source for information
concerning my aviation projects. Besides, it also
brings a bunch of people together to share their
interests and knowledge. Thanks for providing a
state of the art, easy to use resource tool.
David A
I have saved a lot of grief and dollars from referencing
this site. It is truly an extension of Van's product
support.
Joseph C
Terrific asset this List is to the builder!
Scott J
Great service!
Tony B
Look forward to the list each and every day.
John B
I could not cope up here in this lonely island without
the help of the List and all the wonderful helpful
people that have the experience of aircraft building
and flying for fun.
Johann J
This list is part of my daily routine. I'm addicted.
Terry D
Great forum!
John H
This list is my main interest in the Internet.
George R
Great list. The best out there on any subject.
Kevin H
Been on the list since 1998 and I still look forward to
reading the list every day. A most valuable tool. I have
picked up many useful tips during the construction of
my RV-4.
Jerry I
Thanks for all of your hard work on the lists. It is
one of the reasons I bought a CJ-6A. Without the
Yak-list, I believe it would have been much more
difficult to get all the information that I need
for safe operation and maintenance of this fine
aircraft.
David L
The List has been an amazing source of useful
information. I consider it one of my best builder
tools.
Gunter M
An excellent channel of information. I have gained a
wealth of knowledge on both building and flying Kolb
aircraft.
Jim B
Enjoy the wealth of information that is shared.
Richard N
Fine service.
Beauford T
[The] List is the first stop of the day. Made lot of
friends from it.
Orie S
The information I gleaned off the List has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
Over the 3+ years that I have been building, I check it
several times each day. I have learned a lot of very
useful tips that have helped me in my building.
Richard D
Not only is it worth a contribution for the info gleaned
from it but the personalities alone are pure entertainment!
Stephen F
This is great stuff!!! Entertaining, too!! Fast answers
from those who really know...
Bob R
I am building an RV-9A and have received help from
the lists and occasionally been able to give help to
others.
Alden Van W
This list has saved me countless hours of work and worry
already, and I'm only halfway there! Undoubtedly the most
important aid I have yet found in this sometimes
intimidating process of building an aircraft.
Paul H
I've been a member since '96 and have learned so much from
the vast knowledge of the listers.
Gary Z
Outstanding List, exceptionally maintained.
David S
Thanks for all the improvements you've made this year. The
Photoshare feature definitely proves "one picture is worth
a thousand words".
Richard H
I finished my RV6A this year. It is a much better airplane
because of the help I found on the RV and Aeroelectric
Lists.
Dale W
Can't imagine building without the list.
Larry H
The list continues to be a great resource of information
and advice.
Jeff O
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Gift Selection Added - List Fund Raiser! [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I've just added a great new last minute Gift Selection to this year's List
Fund Raiser line up! I have a very limited number of sets of a wonderful
collection of Aircraft Technical books by Jeppesen entitled "The A&P
Technical Series Book Set". This is a great opportunity to make a generous
Contribution to support the Lists and walk away with a great set of
reference manuals at the same time.
This set of books normally retails for over $117 PLUS shipping, but you can
pick up your set AND make this year's List Contribution for a cool C-note -
that's a $100, by the way! :-) I'm thinking "Great Christmas Gift"...
There's more information on the books and making your Contribution at the
List Contribution web site:
Email List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
We're coming close to the official end of this year's List Fund Raiser and
if you haven't yet made your Contribution, there's still time get your name
on that List of Contributors! The percentage of contributors is kind of
low this year but I'm hoping many of you are just holding out until the
last minute!
I want to thank each and everyone of you that has already made a donation
to support the continued operation and upgrade of these List Services. As
I've mentioned in the past, running these Lists is a labor of love for me
and the hours upon hours of code development, system maintenance, and
upgrades are MY Contribution to support this great resource for Builders
and Flyer's alike. Won't your take a minute and make YOUR Contribution today?
I want to thank you for your support both during the Fund Raiser but also
throughout the year in the form of kind words and moral support. A nice
comment from a List member about how much the lists have helped them is
always a sure way to brighten my day!
Thank you to all!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ!] "What is my Contribution used for?" |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What is my Contribution used for?", and this is a valid
question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support
enables. It provides for the expensive, business-class, high-speed
Internet connection used on the List, insuring maximum performance and
minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular
system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance
possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine and List
Browser. It pays for 14+ years worth of online archive data available for
instant random access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing,
developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List
Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, and Photoshare.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and
your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer
viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements
about these days? I will venture to say - next to none...
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many desirable aspects
of this most valuable List service. Please support it today with your List
Contribution. Its the best investment you can make in your Sport - BAR NONE!
Email List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
This is the last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser. Based on previous
year's percentages of Lister's making a Contribution, this year we are
nearly 40% behind the normal... And I thought all those great gifts would
eke the percentage up past the average a little. Oh well. Maybe people
just don't really mind the flashing banner ads for Viagra, and popups for
X10 minicams...
There's still plenty of time to get your name of the List of
Contributors. I'll probably publish the LOC on Monday night after I
process the checks from the Post Office.
I do want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so
far this year. Your support is greatly appreciated and is what makes the
Lists possible.
How to support your Lists this month: http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New List Digest Format!! |
Dear Listers,
I've just finished up some awesome code that will completely change your
thinking about how email Digests should work and look! Yeah, I'm kind of
proud of it, that is true... :-)
What you'll be getting in the new List Digest message is the
following: The main message will contain the new text-based index I
introduced a few weeks back. But here's where things get
different... Instead of simply including all of the day's posts in line
within the message, there will now be included two enclosures - one with a
HTML encoded version of the Digests, and another with the usual text-only
version of the Digests.
I think you're really going to like the new HTML enclosure of the
Digests. All of the Indexes at the top are now hyperlinked to the actual
posts and there are hyperlinks at the top of each post that will:
o Take you back to the Index
o Take you to the next post
o Take you to the previous post
o Allow you to respond to the LIST regarding the message
o Allow you to respond directly to the POSTER regarding the message
You'll have to check it out to appreciate the full goodness of the new
format! :-)
The text-only version is basically exactly the same data that has been
normally sent in line within the message.
You'll also note that the filenames of the enclosures are such that they
can be conveniently placed in a personal "archive" directory for future
reference.
Hope you enjoy the new Digest format!!!
Oh, and don't forget about the Fund Raiser! :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New, NEW List Digest Format... |
Dear Listers,
Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about the
new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not... Still,
it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a
little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW
arrangement. Here's how it works now:
o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any longer.
o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
will be found at the top of the digest email.
o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest email
following the URL Links.
o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
URL for the main digest page is:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of interest.
o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here.
o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the given
o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will
be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
version.
A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version were
just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included hard
Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive
transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing the
URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as
before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically wrapped
onto the next line.
Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry to
get everybody so stirred up over the format change!
The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to
make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | James Kale <kale(at)snowhill.com> |
I completely restored a 1941 J 3 cub and I am having lots of fun flying it. Anyone
out there need any info about restoration?
Jim Kale
kale(at)snowhill.com
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| From: | James Kale <kale(at)snowhill.com> |
| Subject: | Re: New, NEW List Digest Format... |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Cub-List: New, NEW List Digest Format...
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about
the
> new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not... Still,
> it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a
> little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW
> arrangement. Here's how it works now:
>
> o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any
longer.
>
> o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
> will be found at the top of the digest email.
>
> o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest
email
> following the URL Links.
>
> o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
>
> o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
> URL for the main digest page is:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest
>
> From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of
interest.
>
> o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here.
>
> o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the
given
>
> o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will
> be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
> Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
> version.
>
> A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version
were
> just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
> that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
> List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included
hard
> Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
> program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
> characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive
> transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
> problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
>
> So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
> new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing
the
> URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
> followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as
> before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically
wrapped
> onto the next line.
>
> Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry to
> get everybody so stirred up over the format change!
>
> The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to
> make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Admin.
>
>
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| From: | zoperman(at)att.net |
Hello. Anyone know where I can go to find cub rigging for 1400 edo's?
Any cub people out there?
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| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)owc.net> |
Hi,
I think a few of us were waiting for you to break the ice! There was a
little traffic here a few months ago.
I've only had my 1400's for a year now and haven't needed parts, so I don't
know all of the sources yet. I think Kenmore air harbor 800-423-5526 still
owns the EDO production rights, but not sure what they can offer. They did
send me a five page parts list last spring.
What parts do you need and where are you located?
Rick
'46 J3 on EDO 1400's
Hampshire, IL (wheels)
Three Lakes, WI (floats)
----- Original Message -----
From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
>
> Hello. Anyone know where I can go to find cub rigging for 1400 edo's?
> Any cub people out there?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James Kale <kale(at)snowhill.com> |
Is this site in reference to Piper Cub aircraft? I am interested if it is.
kale(at)snowhill.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)owc.net>
Subject: Cub-List: Re:
>
> Hi,
> I think a few of us were waiting for you to break the ice! There was a
> little traffic here a few months ago.
>
> I've only had my 1400's for a year now and haven't needed parts, so I
don't
> know all of the sources yet. I think Kenmore air harbor 800-423-5526 still
> owns the EDO production rights, but not sure what they can offer. They did
> send me a five page parts list last spring.
>
> What parts do you need and where are you located?
>
> Rick
> '46 J3 on EDO 1400's
> Hampshire, IL (wheels)
> Three Lakes, WI (floats)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
> To:
>
>
> >
> > Hello. Anyone know where I can go to find cub rigging for 1400
edo's?
> > Any cub people out there?
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | IslPilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: 1400 Edo Rigging |
Hi, try Don DeReiter at CAD, do not have his number but the airport should be
able to give it to you at 231-779-9525. He has a couple of Cubs on floats
and operates a seaplane business in the Northwest Michigan area.
Paul Baron
Charlevoix, MI
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)FoxValley.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cub-List - What's this list for? |
Hi James,
Yes, this list is aimed at Cub aircraft. I have subscribed to a few of
Matronic's other type specific aircraft lists and some are VERY active (like
the RV list) and some are not. This list has been pretty quiet, but I
suspect there are many Cub owners who moniter the posts and may ask a
question or offer an answer. Just my understanding of it...
It would be great to see some technical chatter or maybe some operational or
maintenance discussions.
Does anyone know of another Cub email list with more activity?
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Kale" <kale(at)snowhill.com>
Subject: Re: Cub-List: Re:
>
> Is this site in reference to Piper Cub aircraft? I am interested if it
is.
>
> kale(at)snowhill.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)owc.net>
> To:
> Subject: Cub-List: Re:
>
>
> >
> > Hi,
> > I think a few of us were waiting for you to break the ice! There was a
> > little traffic here a few months ago.
> >
> > I've only had my 1400's for a year now and haven't needed parts, so I
> don't
> > know all of the sources yet. I think Kenmore air harbor 800-423-5526
still
> > owns the EDO production rights, but not sure what they can offer. They
did
> > send me a five page parts list last spring.
> >
> > What parts do you need and where are you located?
> >
> > Rick
> > '46 J3 on EDO 1400's
> > Hampshire, IL (wheels)
> > Three Lakes, WI (floats)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
> > To:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hello. Anyone know where I can go to find cub rigging for 1400
> edo's?
> > > Any cub people out there?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James Kale <kale(at)snowhill.com> |
I restored a 1941 J-3 a couple of years ago and have flown it about 200 hours now.
I am interested in getting some spare Eismann magnetos that I have collected
overhauled, and a couple of Stromberg carbs that I have collected overhauled.
I plan to keep spare parts for my Cub. Anyone interested in restoring cubs
or trading parts, please get in touch over the cub list.
Jim Kale
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
I am building a Daytona CUB, almost ready for cover.. Will be mounted on
retract flosts..Anybody else doing this project on the list??
Larry Daudt.. Clarksville TN
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | IslPilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: MAGS & CARBS |
The parts for both the Eiseman and the Stromberg Carbs are available through
Trade-A-Plane. I believe El Reno has everything you need.
Paul Baron
Charlevoix, MI
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bob Triplett <tailwind(at)chibardun.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cub-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/05/03 |
building a J3 replica
bob in WI
Cub-List Digest Server wrote:
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> 1. 01:09 PM - J-3 Cub (James Kale)
> 2. 06:48 PM - Re: J-3 Cub (LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com)
>
>
>
>________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
>From: James Kale <kale(at)snowhill.com>
>Subject: Cub-List: J-3 Cub
>
>
>I restored a 1941 J-3 a couple of years ago and have flown it about 200 hours
now.
>I am interested in getting some spare Eismann magnetos that I have collected
>overhauled, and a couple of Stromberg carbs that I have collected overhauled.
>I plan to keep spare parts for my Cub. Anyone interested in restoring cubs
>or trading parts, please get in touch over the cub list.
>
>Jim Kale
>
>
>________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
>From: LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com
>Subject: Re: Cub-List: J-3 Cub
>
>
>I am building a Daytona CUB, almost ready for cover.. Will be mounted on
>retract flosts..Anybody else doing this project on the list??
>Larry Daudt.. Clarksville TN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | IslPilot(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cub-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 03/06/03 |
Sorry about that, Fresno Airparts on the 2nd page of Trade-A-Plane has
everything you need for Eisemann and Stromberg Parts.
Paul Baron
Charlevoix, MI
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | zoperman(at)att.net |
I am trying to find out about cub lift struts, I see big fork ends, small
ones, and sealed struts to replace standard ones. I know the APIA I use will
know all, but for now-.
Thanks for the float rigging help. I 'm looking for used rigging all made
up.I have champ rigging on the 1400's now.
I have 41 cub project, with metal spar wings. Nothing in the logbook about
the switch. The wings punched 55 lbs, but further inspection revieled that the
wings were full of fiberglass insulation,mouse turds, and grass seed, And of
course, the ribstiching was chewed in two all over . And to make the recover
decision final, the whole airplane is done up to aerothane, without any silver
at all. Saving a little money, the guy said.
To recover it, put a c90 and wing tank in it, and onto floats is the goal.
I an leaning toward the waterborn coating system by Aircraft Finishing
Systems.Anyone seen it. Supposed to be glossy and east to repair,uses ceconite
fabric.
I joined the cub club and ordered a load of info. Later.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James Kale <kale(at)snowhill.com> |
I spent 4 years rebuilding a basket case 41 model J-3 with an A-65. I too
have 46, metal spar wings. I completely disassembled the wings, glass
beaded all of the fittings and primed them. I had to repair some of the
cast ends in the compression struts where the internal threads had been
stripped out. I repaired them rather than replaced them.
I used Ceconite with Randolph Dope. But, I was after authenticity, so I did
it just like Piper did so many years ago.
I found two sets of original lift struts. The recurring AD every two years
on the struts is a pain, but the sealed ones just don't look original. By
having two sets, I just replace them every two years and then I have two
years to get the alternate set ready to reinstall. As far as the forks, they
need to be magnafluxed every 5 years. The original J-3 used AN 5 bolts thru
the forks. The gross weight was 1100 lbs. When the strut forks are
increased in size to use AN 6 bolts, the gross weight is upped to 1170 lbs.
I have this setup. There are three Piper drawings that must be complied
with. The drawings are listed on the Type certificate data sheet for the
J-3 C. I recommend you have an A&P or IA print you a copy of the Type
certificate data sheet from his CD that he buys that has all the AD's on it.
It also has the weight and balance data you will need. Do not trust the
weight and balance data you might form sources like the Cub Club. They are
nice guys, but I found that much of the stuff in their newsletters is wrong
when compared to the Type Certificate Data Sheet. You should also have a
type certificate data sheet on your engine. The cub club is a great source
for approved 337's for engine conversions, etc.
I got my seaplane rating in a 65 HP J-3 from an old gentlemen in
Philadelphia.
Hope this helps.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
Subject: Cub-List: lift struts
>
> I am trying to find out about cub lift struts, I see big fork ends,
small
> ones, and sealed struts to replace standard ones. I know the APIA I use
will
> know all, but for now-.
> Thanks for the float rigging help. I 'm looking for used rigging all
made
> up.I have champ rigging on the 1400's now.
> I have 41 cub project, with metal spar wings. Nothing in the logbook
about
> the switch. The wings punched 55 lbs, but further inspection revieled that
the
> wings were full of fiberglass insulation,mouse turds, and grass seed, And
of
> course, the ribstiching was chewed in two all over . And to make the
recover
> decision final, the whole airplane is done up to aerothane, without any
silver
> at all. Saving a little money, the guy said.
> To recover it, put a c90 and wing tank in it, and onto floats is the
goal.
> I an leaning toward the waterborn coating system by Aircraft Finishing
> Systems.Anyone seen it. Supposed to be glossy and east to repair,uses
ceconite
> fabric.
> I joined the cub club and ordered a load of info. Later.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | zoperman(at)att.net |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | zoperman(at)att.net |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | zoperman(at)att.net |
Thanks Jim. 1170 lbs gross weight, I may have the wrong airplane. I put it
on floats, I'll have to put a remote control kit in it to stay under.Del.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)owc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: lift struts & fabric finishes |
Hi Del,
I like Jim's solution to the lift strut inspection required by AD 99-01-05,
although it does take a little more time (to exchange struts and inspect the
struts and forks) than spending the money to install sealed struts and
accepting the aesthetics of the large forks. There are certainly a lot of
used, serviceable, small fork struts lying around that could be had for
little cost. It's nice to have the choice on how to comply with the AD.
If you don't have access to a regulatory CD, The FAA web-site
http://www2.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/ is a easy way to look at AD's
(post-1940) and Type Certificate Data Sheets.
As far as choice of finishes, I'm not familiar with any water based coatings
that have held up over time. I have heard of & seen some that do not look
good after a few years. I would not consider using a "new" process for
finishing unless I can see proof of what it will look like after 10 years &
some exposure to the sun.
Seaplanes present a challenge where it may not be practical to keep them in
a hangar, so their exposure to sun & weather is increased compared to a land
plane or amphib. I would keep this in mind when choosing finishes for a
potential floatplane.
FWIW, the Air-Tech Coatings finishes are looking very good and hold up
well. I see it used on AgCats that stay shiny through harsh exposure to
chemicals & cleaners, and I see it used on award winning show planes (very
particular owners). I've not heard anything bad about Air-Tech. That said,
I've always liked Randolph products too.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
Subject: Cub-List: lift struts
>
> I am trying to find out about cub lift struts, I see big fork ends,
small
> ones, and sealed struts to replace standard ones. I know the APIA I use
will
> know all, but for now-.
> Thanks for the float rigging help. I 'm looking for used rigging all
made
> up.I have champ rigging on the 1400's now.
> I have 41 cub project, with metal spar wings. Nothing in the logbook
about
> the switch. The wings punched 55 lbs, but further inspection revieled that
the
> wings were full of fiberglass insulation,mouse turds, and grass seed, And
of
> course, the ribstiching was chewed in two all over . And to make the
recover
> decision final, the whole airplane is done up to aerothane, without any
silver
> at all. Saving a little money, the guy said.
> To recover it, put a c90 and wing tank in it, and onto floats is the
goal.
> I an leaning toward the waterborn coating system by Aircraft Finishing
> Systems.Anyone seen it. Supposed to be glossy and east to repair,uses
ceconite
> fabric.
> I joined the cub club and ordered a load of info. Later.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)owc.net> |
Del,
The gross weight goes up to 1300 lbs when you put on floats. The C.G. range
changes too (depending on the type of floats). You can read about it in the
Type Certificate Data Sheet.
FWIW, A friends C90 powered J3 weighs 900 lbs empty, with 1400's installed.
It really pays off to keep the airplane light. You'll appreciate it
everytime you break free of the water on take-off!
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
Subject: Cub-List: struts
>
> Thanks Jim. 1170 lbs gross weight, I may have the wrong airplane. I
put it
> on floats, I'll have to put a remote control kit in it to stay under.Del.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James Kale <kale(at)snowhill.com> |
The sea plane may have different Gross Weights, need to check the type
certificate data sheet. My wheel airplane weighed about 670 lbs. with fuel.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
Subject: Cub-List: struts
>
> Thanks Jim. 1170 lbs gross weight, I may have the wrong airplane. I
put it
> on floats, I'll have to put a remote control kit in it to stay under.Del.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | zoperman(at)att.net |
This is good info.I'll spend the money and get the struts.
I know about stitts process, and I favor the poly tone type as I have seen
the need for easy repair on a floatplane.
I had a 7ccm champ on these edo's, loved it,but the time came to overhaul
it and it was wrecked by the fool who worked on it, and he gave me this cub. I
took the rating in a cub at Flagler Beach, and I didn't even remember it untill
the 1300 gross was mentioned.I remember we had to get some addition wrong to
stay under the 1300. I like light weight, every ounce counts.
Off the record, what might a cub lift in gross weight? We, of course,
would never violate an FAR, but I'll bet someone has heard. Del.
> *
>
> ==================================================
> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> ==================================================
>
> Today's complete Cub-List Digest can be also be found in either
> of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
> Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
> version of the Cub-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic
> text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>
> HTML Version:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/digest/cub-list/Digest.Cub-List.2003-03-09.html
>
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>
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> ---
> Total Messages Posted Sun 03/09/03: 6
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 05:44 AM - struts (zoperman(at)att.net)
> 2. 05:44 AM - struts (zoperman(at)att.net)
> 3. 05:48 AM - struts (zoperman(at)att.net)
> 4. 07:14 AM - Re: lift struts & fabric finishes (Rick Lutes)
> 5. 07:28 AM - Re: struts (Rick Lutes)
> 6. 08:15 AM - Re: struts (James Kale)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: zoperman(at)att.net
> Subject: Cub-List: struts
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: zoperman(at)att.net
> Subject: Cub-List: struts
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: zoperman(at)att.net
> Subject: Cub-List: struts
>
>
> Thanks Jim. 1170 lbs gross weight, I may have the wrong airplane. I put it
>
> on floats, I'll have to put a remote control kit in it to stay under.Del.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)owc.net>
> Subject: Re: Cub-List: lift struts & fabric finishes
>
>
> Hi Del,
>
> I like Jim's solution to the lift strut inspection required by AD 99-01-05,
> although it does take a little more time (to exchange struts and inspect the
> struts and forks) than spending the money to install sealed struts and
> accepting the aesthetics of the large forks. There are certainly a lot of
> used, serviceable, small fork struts lying around that could be had for
> little cost. It's nice to have the choice on how to comply with the AD.
>
> If you don't have access to a regulatory CD, The FAA web-site
> http://www2.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/ is a easy way to look at AD's
> (post-1940) and Type Certificate Data Sheets.
>
> As far as choice of finishes, I'm not familiar with any water based coatings
> that have held up over time. I have heard of & seen some that do not look
> good after a few years. I would not consider using a "new" process for
> finishing unless I can see proof of what it will look like after 10 years &
> some exposure to the sun.
> Seaplanes present a challenge where it may not be practical to keep them in
> a hangar, so their exposure to sun & weather is increased compared to a land
> plane or amphib. I would keep this in mind when choosing finishes for a
> potential floatplane.
> FWIW, the Air-Tech Coatings finishes are looking very good and hold up
> well. I see it used on AgCats that stay shiny through harsh exposure to
> chemicals & cleaners, and I see it used on award winning show planes (very
> particular owners). I've not heard anything bad about Air-Tech. That said,
> I've always liked Randolph products too.
>
> Rick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
> Subject: Cub-List: lift struts
>
>
> >
> > I am trying to find out about cub lift struts, I see big fork ends,
> small
> > ones, and sealed struts to replace standard ones. I know the APIA I use
> will
> > know all, but for now-.
> > Thanks for the float rigging help. I 'm looking for used rigging all
> made
> > up.I have champ rigging on the 1400's now.
> > I have 41 cub project, with metal spar wings. Nothing in the logbook
> about
> > the switch. The wings punched 55 lbs, but further inspection revieled that
> the
> > wings were full of fiberglass insulation,mouse turds, and grass seed, And
> of
> > course, the ribstiching was chewed in two all over . And to make the
> recover
> > decision final, the whole airplane is done up to aerothane, without any
> silver
> > at all. Saving a little money, the guy said.
> > To recover it, put a c90 and wing tank in it, and onto floats is the
> goal.
> > I an leaning toward the waterborn coating system by Aircraft Finishing
> > Systems.Anyone seen it. Supposed to be glossy and east to repair,uses
> ceconite
> > fabric.
> > I joined the cub club and ordered a load of info. Later.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)owc.net>
> Subject: Re: Cub-List: struts
>
>
> Del,
> The gross weight goes up to 1300 lbs when you put on floats. The C.G. range
> changes too (depending on the type of floats). You can read about it in the
> Type Certificate Data Sheet.
> FWIW, A friends C90 powered J3 weighs 900 lbs empty, with 1400's installed.
> It really pays off to keep the airplane light. You'll appreciate it
> everytime you break free of the water on take-off!
> Rick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
> Subject: Cub-List: struts
>
>
> >
> > Thanks Jim. 1170 lbs gross weight, I may have the wrong airplane. I
> put it
> > on floats, I'll have to put a remote control kit in it to stay under.Del.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: James Kale <kale(at)snowhill.com>
> Subject: Re: Cub-List: struts
>
>
> The sea plane may have different Gross Weights, need to check the type
> certificate data sheet. My wheel airplane weighed about 670 lbs. with fuel.
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
> Subject: Cub-List: struts
>
>
> >
> > Thanks Jim. 1170 lbs gross weight, I may have the wrong airplane. I
> put it
> > on floats, I'll have to put a remote control kit in it to stay under.Del.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)owc.net> |
| Subject: | Re: gross weights |
Del,
I don't know how much a J3 will lift. I guess there are a lot of variables
there: engine size, type of floats, wind & water conditions, length of the
lake, pilot technique...I do know of a 90 HP J3 with two 12 gallon wing
tanks and the fuselage tank. I don't know if it ever flew with full fuel and
two people on board, but my guess is that it did...
Maybe someone else knows more about it and would comment.
Last summer I learned that as the gross weight goes up, the effect of any
C.G. shifts or excursions become much more obvious on floats than on wheels.
I noticed the tails of the floats sit deeper, sometimes submerged, in the
water while taxiing heavy, with aft C.G. (a good reason to keep the aft
compartment access covers well sealed!).
You might want to put an add out on the Barnstormers site or in the SPA
magazine to look for Cub rigging for your EDO's.?
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
Subject: Cub-List: gross weights
>
> This is good info.I'll spend the money and get the struts.
> I know about stitts process, and I favor the poly tone type as I have
seen
> the need for easy repair on a floatplane.
> I had a 7ccm champ on these edo's, loved it,but the time came to
overhaul
> it and it was wrecked by the fool who worked on it, and he gave me this
cub. I
> took the rating in a cub at Flagler Beach, and I didn't even remember it
untill
> the 1300 gross was mentioned.I remember we had to get some addition wrong
to
> stay under the 1300. I like light weight, every ounce counts.
> Off the record, what might a cub lift in gross weight? We, of course,
> would never violate an FAR, but I'll bet someone has heard. Del.
>
> > *
> >
> > ==================================================
> > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
> > ==================================================
> >
> > Today's complete Cub-List Digest can be also be found in either
> > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features
Hyperlinked
> > Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
> > version of the Cub-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic
> > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
> >
> > HTML Version:
> >
> >
http://www.matronics.com/digest/cub-list/Digest.Cub-List.2003-03-09.html
> >
> > Text Version:
> >
> >
http://www.matronics.com/digest/cub-list/Digest.Cub-List.2003-03-09.txt
> >
> >
> > ================================================
> > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> > ================================================
> >
> >
> > Cub-List Digest Archive
> > ---
> > Total Messages Posted Sun 03/09/03: 6
> >
> >
> > Today's Message Index:
> > ----------------------
> >
> > 1. 05:44 AM - struts (zoperman(at)att.net)
> > 2. 05:44 AM - struts (zoperman(at)att.net)
> > 3. 05:48 AM - struts (zoperman(at)att.net)
> > 4. 07:14 AM - Re: lift struts & fabric finishes (Rick Lutes)
> > 5. 07:28 AM - Re: struts (Rick Lutes)
> > 6. 08:15 AM - Re: struts (James Kale)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: zoperman(at)att.net
> > Subject: Cub-List: struts
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: zoperman(at)att.net
> > Subject: Cub-List: struts
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: zoperman(at)att.net
> > Subject: Cub-List: struts
> >
> >
> > Thanks Jim. 1170 lbs gross weight, I may have the wrong airplane. I
put it
> >
> > on floats, I'll have to put a remote control kit in it to stay
under.Del.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)owc.net>
> > Subject: Re: Cub-List: lift struts & fabric finishes
> >
> >
> > Hi Del,
> >
> > I like Jim's solution to the lift strut inspection required by AD
99-01-05,
> > although it does take a little more time (to exchange struts and inspect
the
> > struts and forks) than spending the money to install sealed struts and
> > accepting the aesthetics of the large forks. There are certainly a lot
of
> > used, serviceable, small fork struts lying around that could be had for
> > little cost. It's nice to have the choice on how to comply with the AD.
> >
> > If you don't have access to a regulatory CD, The FAA web-site
> > http://www2.faa.gov/certification/aircraft/ is a easy way to look at
AD's
> > (post-1940) and Type Certificate Data Sheets.
> >
> > As far as choice of finishes, I'm not familiar with any water based
coatings
> > that have held up over time. I have heard of & seen some that do not
look
> > good after a few years. I would not consider using a "new" process for
> > finishing unless I can see proof of what it will look like after 10
years &
> > some exposure to the sun.
> > Seaplanes present a challenge where it may not be practical to keep them
in
> > a hangar, so their exposure to sun & weather is increased compared to a
land
> > plane or amphib. I would keep this in mind when choosing finishes for a
> > potential floatplane.
> > FWIW, the Air-Tech Coatings finishes are looking very good and hold up
> > well. I see it used on AgCats that stay shiny through harsh exposure to
> > chemicals & cleaners, and I see it used on award winning show planes
(very
> > particular owners). I've not heard anything bad about Air-Tech. That
said,
> > I've always liked Randolph products too.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
> > Subject: Cub-List: lift struts
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I am trying to find out about cub lift struts, I see big fork
ends,
> > small
> > > ones, and sealed struts to replace standard ones. I know the APIA I
use
> > will
> > > know all, but for now-.
> > > Thanks for the float rigging help. I 'm looking for used rigging
all
> > made
> > > up.I have champ rigging on the 1400's now.
> > > I have 41 cub project, with metal spar wings. Nothing in the
logbook
> > about
> > > the switch. The wings punched 55 lbs, but further inspection revieled
that
> > the
> > > wings were full of fiberglass insulation,mouse turds, and grass seed,
And
> > of
> > > course, the ribstiching was chewed in two all over . And to make the
> > recover
> > > decision final, the whole airplane is done up to aerothane, without
any
> > silver
> > > at all. Saving a little money, the guy said.
> > > To recover it, put a c90 and wing tank in it, and onto floats is
the
> > goal.
> > > I an leaning toward the waterborn coating system by Aircraft
Finishing
> > > Systems.Anyone seen it. Supposed to be glossy and east to repair,uses
> > ceconite
> > > fabric.
> > > I joined the cub club and ordered a load of info. Later.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 5
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)owc.net>
> > Subject: Re: Cub-List: struts
> >
> >
> > Del,
> > The gross weight goes up to 1300 lbs when you put on floats. The C.G.
range
> > changes too (depending on the type of floats). You can read about it in
the
> > Type Certificate Data Sheet.
> > FWIW, A friends C90 powered J3 weighs 900 lbs empty, with 1400's
installed.
> > It really pays off to keep the airplane light. You'll appreciate it
> > everytime you break free of the water on take-off!
> > Rick
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
> > Subject: Cub-List: struts
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks Jim. 1170 lbs gross weight, I may have the wrong airplane.
I
> > put it
> > > on floats, I'll have to put a remote control kit in it to stay
under.Del.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: James Kale <kale(at)snowhill.com>
> > Subject: Re: Cub-List: struts
> >
> >
> > The sea plane may have different Gross Weights, need to check the type
> > certificate data sheet. My wheel airplane weighed about 670 lbs. with
fuel.
> >
> > Jim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <zoperman(at)att.net>
> > Subject: Cub-List: struts
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks Jim. 1170 lbs gross weight, I may have the wrong airplane.
I
> > put it
> > > on floats, I'll have to put a remote control kit in it to stay
under.Del.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dpgtech(at)bellsouth.net> |
I understand your concerns about staying away from a toxic system, but check whatever
you use carefully. If you are referring to Blue River Systems I heard
that it delaminates.
From
Don Guth
Finished '39 cub restoration in 1999
> From: zoperman(at)att.net
> Date: 2003/03/08 Sat PM 10:03:47 EST
> To: cub-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Cub-List: lift struts
>
>
> I am trying to find out about cub lift struts, I see big fork ends, small
> ones, and sealed struts to replace standard ones. I know the APIA I use will
> know all, but for now-.
> Thanks for the float rigging help. I 'm looking for used rigging all made
> up.I have champ rigging on the 1400's now.
> I have 41 cub project, with metal spar wings. Nothing in the logbook about
> the switch. The wings punched 55 lbs, but further inspection revieled that the
> wings were full of fiberglass insulation,mouse turds, and grass seed, And of
> course, the ribstiching was chewed in two all over . And to make the recover
> decision final, the whole airplane is done up to aerothane, without any silver
> at all. Saving a little money, the guy said.
> To recover it, put a c90 and wing tank in it, and onto floats is the goal.
> I an leaning toward the waterborn coating system by Aircraft Finishing
> Systems.Anyone seen it. Supposed to be glossy and east to repair,uses ceconite
> fabric.
> I joined the cub club and ordered a load of info. Later.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dpgtech(at)bellsouth.net> |
For those of you that are tired of servicing your expander tube brakes relief is
on the horizion. Grove Aircraft Brakes has developed disc brakes that will replace
the brake drums and give us hydrolics on our 8.00 x 4 wheels. So now we
can get safe brakes and are able to keep the original tires. Grove is still waiting
for FAA/PMA approval.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <dpgtech(at)bellsouth.net> |
For those of you tired of servicing your expander tube brakes relief is on the
horizon. Grove Aircraft Brakes is in the process of getting Faa/PMA approval
for disc brakes that fit on our Cub 8.00 x 4 wheels. We will be able to get safe
brakes and keep the original tires.
Don Guth
'39 J-3
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement... |
Dear Listers,
Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a
"total of available messages" column to the 7-Day List Browse Main page,
and it seemed like a great idea! I've made the modifications and I think
many will find it extremely helpful as well. Have a look at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin...
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
Dear Listers,
The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL
connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I
just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
enhancement for all of the List services!
Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past
weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the
case... ;-)
Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the
yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL
is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED! |
Dear Listers,
I just wanted to send out a quick note to let everyone know that the 1.5Mb
T1 connection upgrade went smoothly today. They brought up the new line
and router yesterday on a test subnet and today the ISP switched over
connectivity about 12 noon with little to no incident. I just finished
some performance testing, and it appears that actual throughput and
interactive response is noticeably improved as advertised!
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | <phil(at)petrasoft.net> |
Please see the attached zip file for details.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this
evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes
in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming
email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent
to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-)
The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses
each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely
effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its
time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this
SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent
solution.
I will post a follow up message later in the week when things
have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | James Kale <kale(at)snowhill.com> |
I have a 1941 J-3 100 percent authentic restoration in 2001, pristine condition
for sale if anyone is interested.
Jim Kale
kale(at)snowhill.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting Problems |
For Some Members...?
Dear Listers,
Matronics is now utilizing a SPAM filter appliance to filter out the
excessive amounts of inappropriate email that bombards the Email List
Forums each day. The filter is reporting that over 66% of the email
messages sent to Matronics email destinations are of SPAM content and
reviewing the logfiles, it would appear to be true. That is indeed great!
While the Lists are enjoying the breath of fresh air afforded by the new
appliance, I am suspecting that a few legitimate email List posts are being
blocked as too, although I can't confirm this. It is difficult to churn
through the logfiles looking though thousands of blocked email messages
trying to determine if any legitimate List posts were blocked.
If you suspect that your posts are accidently being blocked by the SPAM
filter appliance, I have created a new Trouble Report web page that will
allow you to report your problems directly to me without having to use
email. If the SPAM filter is blocking your email address for some reason,
then its likely that I wouldn't be able to receive your direct email
regarding difficulty in posting. The web form bypasses the incoming email
and directs your message directly to me.
Please include as much information as possible regarding the problems you
are having including any bounced email or email error messages that you may
have received back in regard to your posts to the lists. The more
information I have about the email you are sending and what the errors you
are receiving, the better chance I'll have in hunting down the problem.
The Trouble Report Website URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report/
I apologize for any inconvenience the SPAM filter may be causing you. I
will work toward resolving your issues as quickly as possible.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!! |
Hi Listers!
A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online
chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty
web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs to
download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer
or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest
Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come
up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download
website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the
yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just
try you browser because it'll probably just work.
Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be
accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the bottom
of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat
Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email address
in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other
Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat
rooms as "MattDralle".
There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main
Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer
and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control
Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among other
things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be
treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when
someone sends a message.
The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to
each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat window
from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like.
Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome
new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this
List's specific Chat Room!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
PS - I'm working on a web link interface to the chat logfiles. Coming soon...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show how much traffic
the Lists generated this year alone:
* 11/01/2002 - 10/31/2003
o Web server hits: 10,446,780 (870,565/mo)
o Incoming Email Posts: 58,918 (4,909/mo)
List-related upgrades this year have been plentiful, and List performance
has substantially improved as a result. Upgrades and enhancements this
year have included:
* Internet Connection upgrade to a full, commercial-grade T1 Line!
* New Web Server platform - Dual 3Ghz Xeon with 2Gb Ram and U320 SCSI!
* Upgrade of Email Server platform - Dual 1.7 Ghz Xeon with 1Gb Ram!
* All new SPAM Filtering Appliance - filters about 98% of the unwanted SPAM!
* All new, web-base List Chat Room society!
As you can well imagine, this year's upgrades translate into a fair amount
of cash outlay on my part and this annual List Fund Raiser is the sole
means by which I fund these upgrades. Unlike most of the other "list
servers" on the Web these days, I have a strict
*no-commercial-advertisement policy* on the Matronics Lists and associated
List web sites. I was again approached by a number of vendors recently
with advertising deals that have been very tempting. My commitment to
providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment prevailed,
however! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year, with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks.
My goal with the Matronics List Service is to provide all members
with a commercial-free, virus-free, and high-performance system
with which the may share information, ideas, and camaraderie.
The best news this year is that, with the gracious help of Andy Gold and
The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I have been able
to significantly expand the lineup of fantastic Gift offers to support the
List Fund Raiser! In all, there are eight awesome free gifts this year
ranging from List Archive CD's to Flight Computers with qualifying
Contribution levels. Those great Jeppesen Flight Bags that were so popular
last year are even back! A special thanks goes out to Andy Gold again this
year for his very kind and generous support of the Lists. Thanks Andy, for
these great incentives!!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR thoughtful and generous support!
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with
a personal check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as information
on the various methods of payment. Contributions in the $20, $30, $50,
$75, and $100 range are common. The Contribution web page is kind of long
this year with the details of each of the gifts, so please scroll all the
way down!
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this year! Your
Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts? |
Dear Listers,
The List Fund Raiser is going well so far this year and I wanted to say
"Thank You" to everyone that has made a Contribution already this year!
Though the generous support of Andy Gold and the Builders Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I'm able to offer some truly awesome gifts
with qualifying Contributions this year. There's quite a line up and a
rather diverse set of options - certainly something for every taste and
personality. Here's a list of this year's fine options:
* List Archive CD
* Aircraft Builder's Log
* Pilot Flashlight System
* Pro Pilot Logbook
* FAR/AIM on CD
* Jeppesen Flight Bag
* Aviation History Book
* Techstar Flight Computer
Please support your Email List Community AND pick up a really slick Gift at
the same time! The SSL Secure Contribution web site can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Once again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously supported
the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists Services here on the
Matronics servers!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Below are some of the nice things people have been saying about the Lists
in that little message box on the Contribution form! Thank you to everyone
that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great
feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!!
If you haven't yet shown your support for these Lists, won't you take a
moment and make your Contribution today? The Matronics Lists are always
Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, and High-performance and its your
direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that enables all of these
valuable services you've come to expect.
Thank you for your Contribution!!
SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
EMail List Administrator
================================================================
=================== What Listers Are Saying ====================
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You provide a service to us kit builders that cannot be measured.
-Clifford M.
...great service to the aviation community.
-Curt R.
Thanks for being there - your List has really been of help.
-Thomas R.
Your lists have been most helpful to my RV-9A project.
-Dean V.
...has been a great help to me.
-Jim N.
..."must-have" for RV builders and pilots.
-Douglas W.
I find something every day on the List that helps me in my project.
-Ron P.
...very valuable!
-Patrick L.
Don't know that I could have persevered and succeeded without the List.
-Curt R.
...service continues to be awesome and is one of the most helpful resources
for homebuilding that I have ever found.
-Jim H.
The information and hours of entertainment many of us derive from the Lists
is priceless.
-Chris R.
I learn a lot about my [aircraft] through the Lists...
- Lee P.
Great source of education and entertainment. Love it!!!
-Lar B.
Great List & very well organized.
-Peter D.
I couldn't build my [airplane] without this List.
-William G.
The List is an important part of my daily routine.
-Roger H.
...incredible resource.
-Ron P.
Excellent facility.
-David M.
...unmatched service to all builders and flyers.
-Ralph C.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
Dear Listers,
I was thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and
also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here
provide a far better experience than the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is
outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of
messages on line for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where
also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related
Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 10,000,000 hits
each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over
90,000,000 (yes, that 90 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each
year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
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| From: | Stan Bearup <bearup(at)gci.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cub-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/17/04 |
Just checking in to see if there is any life on this list.
Stan Bearup
www.alaskacub.com
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| From: | "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)consolidated.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cub-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/17/04 |
Stan Bearup wrote:
>
> Just checking in to see if there is any life on this list.
> Stan Bearup
> www.alaskacub.com
>
Stan, this is the first message I have seen on it in a few weeks.
Phil in Illinois
What kind of cub do you have. We have a 65 1946......
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| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cub-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/17/04 |
Yeh man.. I have a Daytona Cub with Clamar floats ready for cover..
Everything except paint and prop included for just 119,000.00..
Lk Daudt 830-981-5007 San Antonio area
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| From: | Stan Bearup <bearup(at)gci.net> |
Hi Phil
I am currently building a Smith Aviation PA-18 replica that has most Alaska
mods incorporated into it.
............................................................................
............................................................................
..
Lk Daudt,
I am the Alaska distributor of the Smith Aviation and Clamar floats. Could
you please tell me more about your kit and all that is included with it.
Which options do you have? ( i.e. 4" wide body, aux tanks, extended wings,
baggage doors, engine mount type, left hand sea plane door, etc). If I can't
buy it, perhaps I can help you find a buyer for it.
Stan Bearup
www.alaskacub.com
> Yeh man.. I have a Daytona Cub with Clamar floats ready for cover..
> Everything except paint and prop included for just 119,000.00..
> Lk Daudt 830-981-5007 San Antonio area
>
>
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| From: | "larrybojac" <larrybojac(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Greetings - new to the list |
Hello all you low and slow guys and gals.
Just checking in to say Hi. We have 1946 J-3.. Dad bought it in 1955 for
$175 as a basket case. Yup... that right... $175 INCLUDING a running A65.
best...
Larry in Atlanta
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)consolidated.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Greetings - new to the list |
larrybojac wrote:
>
> Hello all you low and slow guys and gals.
>
> Just checking in to say Hi. We have 1946 J-3.. Dad bought it in 1955 for
> $175 as a basket case. Yup... that right... $175 INCLUDING a running A65.
>
> best...
>
> Larry in Atlanta
Hello Larry, Phil here in Illinois.
The cub we bought (me and 4 others) was one I did my first solo and solo X-C
in back in the 60's. I never dreamed I would own some of it soemday. N88096
46 c-65
I plan to take it to Sun and Fun. It will be at least a two day trip from
Central Illinois. Anyone want to meet in North Florida or somewhere and take
all the Cubs in at once?
Phil
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| From: | Stan Bearup <bearup(at)gci.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Greetings - new to the list |
Greetings to you as well Larry! That's a nice price for a cub I must say. If
you ever decide to sell, I will gladly pay you double what you paid for that
airplane ;o)
Stan
> Just checking in to say Hi. We have 1946 J-3.. Dad bought it in 1955 for
> $175 as a basket case. Yup... that right... $175 INCLUDING a running A65.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "larrybojac" <larrybojac(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Greetings - new to list |
Phil in Litchfield ...
It's a small small world. I grew up on a farm near Augusta... (between
Macomb and Quincy). The 46 J-3 is s/n 18005 and was on a set of Edo 1320s
in CANTON IL when a wind storm tipped one wing into the river.... that's how
Dad came to get it for $175. Nothing other than a bent strut or two... and
an ugly muddy mess. BTW, they wanted $500 for the floats! Years later I
said.... "Dad.... dog-gone-it..... why didn't you buy those floats too?"
You can guess the answer.... "Son, I didn't have $175 dollars let alone
another $500!"
Probably not too far from you is Central Air Parts - Staunton IL. Bob
Wilhoit is a friend from college days. Anybody looking for parts should _be
sure_ to give Bob a call... he is in TAP, and at www.centralairparts.com.
Stan... thanks so much for your kind offer to purchase our family heirloom
for "double its original purchase price".... $350. I'll add your offer to
the STACK of similar offers! HA! Hear that one all the time!
larry - ATL
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| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
| Subject: | Re: Greetings - new to list |
http://www.cent-air.com/ works for Central AirParts
----- Original Message -----
From: "larrybojac" <larrybojac(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Cub-List: Greetings - new to list
>
> Phil in Litchfield ...
>
>
> It's a small small world. I grew up on a farm near Augusta...
(between
> Macomb and Quincy). The 46 J-3 is s/n 18005 and was on a set of Edo 1320s
> in CANTON IL when a wind storm tipped one wing into the river.... that's
how
> Dad came to get it for $175. Nothing other than a bent strut or two...
and
> an ugly muddy mess. BTW, they wanted $500 for the floats! Years later
I
> said.... "Dad.... dog-gone-it..... why didn't you buy those floats too?"
> You can guess the answer.... "Son, I didn't have $175 dollars let alone
> another $500!"
>
> Probably not too far from you is Central Air Parts - Staunton IL.
Bob
> Wilhoit is a friend from college days. Anybody looking for parts should
_be
> sure_ to give Bob a call... he is in TAP, and at www.centralairparts.com.
>
>
> Stan... thanks so much for your kind offer to purchase our family heirloom
> for "double its original purchase price".... $350. I'll add your offer to
> the STACK of similar offers! HA! Hear that one all the time!
>
>
> larry - ATL
>
>
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| From: | "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)consolidated.net> |
Has anyone had the following engine problems with a cub.
All replies will be answered.
On roll out the engine quits.
Conditions:
Eiseman mags---rebuilt, seems to be good rebuild and will throw 3/8"
blue spark on bench.
Carburetor is a Stromberg Nas3- it was rebuilt buy a carb shop. since
then, we have had it apart and checked float level. all passages are
clean, jets are the right size, and visually it seems like it is good.
It has a plastic needle and new seat, We also tried a steel needle and
new seat. All AD's and notes have been complied with on this carb.
We have idle set to 550 to 600. after landing in three point roll out
the engine will quit nearly every time. engine will quit when taxiing
in, if idle speed gets too low.
We try to keep it 800 or above to keep from dying, Plugs are wet and it
seems to be a low rpm mixture problem. once it decides to die, it is
just like you turn off the mags switch. It can't be caught and brought
back. When you go to start it, without touching anything, it will catch
on the third blade and run real goo for a few minutes like nothing ever
happened, then die unless you keep it reved up a little. Black smoke
will puff out at the lower rpm's when you throttle it up. This indicates
excess richness at idle setting and the wet plugs do too.
when we lean the idle mixture to stop the black smoke, it will pop
indicating too lean of an idle mixture.
Static runs are good, no missing and it turns about 2100 to 2200. Mag
checks are good, maybe 25 or so drop on both mags. I would call it good.
In the air at cruise, it is just great. When first starting here in the
midwest at this time of year, it is very cold natured. Maybe have to
start it two or three times to get it going and keeping it going. We
have been running av-gas, premium car gas, and non alcohol regular.
seems like the same thing with any of the fuels.
We also get a small fuel drip at shut down for a couple of minutes. This
doesnt seem bad, but I know that all 65 hp dont drip like this and I
feel there is a relationship between the drip and the richness.
The engine has about 100 SMOH and runs great. it is just the low RPM
problem that is bothering us. Five of use bought this plane and it had a
rebuild in 1998. I learned to fly in it back in 1963. I looked at log
book and I put 43 hours in it then. First solo and all cross countries
and time building. It was ok back then. I was flying it in the winter
and I don't even remember it as being cold natured then. I even used to
know how to land it.
Any help or more questions... fire away.
Phil in Litchfield, IL 1946 J-3 C65 N88096
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org> |
Sounds like an intake system leak. Gasket or hoses.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)consolidated.net>
Subject: Cub-List: J3 flyers
>
> Has anyone had the following engine problems with a cub.
> All replies will be answered.
>
> On roll out the engine quits.
>
> Conditions:
>
> Eiseman mags---rebuilt, seems to be good rebuild and will throw 3/8"
> blue spark on bench.
>
> Carburetor is a Stromberg Nas3- it was rebuilt buy a carb shop. since
> then, we have had it apart and checked float level. all passages are
> clean, jets are the right size, and visually it seems like it is good.
> It has a plastic needle and new seat, We also tried a steel needle and
> new seat. All AD's and notes have been complied with on this carb.
>
> We have idle set to 550 to 600. after landing in three point roll out
> the engine will quit nearly every time. engine will quit when taxiing
> in, if idle speed gets too low.
>
> We try to keep it 800 or above to keep from dying, Plugs are wet and it
> seems to be a low rpm mixture problem. once it decides to die, it is
> just like you turn off the mags switch. It can't be caught and brought
> back. When you go to start it, without touching anything, it will catch
> on the third blade and run real goo for a few minutes like nothing ever
> happened, then die unless you keep it reved up a little. Black smoke
> will puff out at the lower rpm's when you throttle it up. This indicates
> excess richness at idle setting and the wet plugs do too.
> when we lean the idle mixture to stop the black smoke, it will pop
> indicating too lean of an idle mixture.
>
> Static runs are good, no missing and it turns about 2100 to 2200. Mag
> checks are good, maybe 25 or so drop on both mags. I would call it good.
> In the air at cruise, it is just great. When first starting here in the
> midwest at this time of year, it is very cold natured. Maybe have to
> start it two or three times to get it going and keeping it going. We
> have been running av-gas, premium car gas, and non alcohol regular.
> seems like the same thing with any of the fuels.
>
> We also get a small fuel drip at shut down for a couple of minutes. This
> doesnt seem bad, but I know that all 65 hp dont drip like this and I
> feel there is a relationship between the drip and the richness.
>
> The engine has about 100 SMOH and runs great. it is just the low RPM
> problem that is bothering us. Five of use bought this plane and it had a
> rebuild in 1998. I learned to fly in it back in 1963. I looked at log
> book and I put 43 hours in it then. First solo and all cross countries
> and time building. It was ok back then. I was flying it in the winter
> and I don't even remember it as being cold natured then. I even used to
> know how to land it.
>
> Any help or more questions... fire away.
>
> Phil in Litchfield, IL 1946 J-3 C65 N88096
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)consolidated.net> |
Cy Galley wrote:
>
> Sounds like an intake system leak. Gasket or hoses.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)consolidated.net>
> To:
> Subject: Cub-List: J3 flyers
>
>
> >
> > Has anyone had the following engine problems with a cub.
> > All replies will be answered.
> >
> > On roll out the engine quits.
> >
> > Conditions:
> >
> > Eiseman mags---rebuilt, seems to be good rebuild and will throw 3/8"
> > blue spark on bench.
> >
> > Carburetor is a Stromberg Nas3- it was rebuilt buy a carb shop. since
> > then, we have had it apart and checked float level. all passages are
> > clean, jets are the right size, and visually it seems like it is good.
> > It has a plastic needle and new seat, We also tried a steel needle and
> > new seat. All AD's and notes have been complied with on this carb.
> >
> > We have idle set to 550 to 600. after landing in three point roll out
> > the engine will quit nearly every time. engine will quit when taxiing
> > in, if idle speed gets too low.
> >
> > We try to keep it 800 or above to keep from dying, Plugs are wet and it
> > seems to be a low rpm mixture problem. once it decides to die, it is
> > just like you turn off the mags switch. It can't be caught and brought
> > back. When you go to start it, without touching anything, it will catch
> > on the third blade and run real goo for a few minutes like nothing ever
> > happened, then die unless you keep it reved up a little. Black smoke
> > will puff out at the lower rpm's when you throttle it up. This indicates
> > excess richness at idle setting and the wet plugs do too.
> > when we lean the idle mixture to stop the black smoke, it will pop
> > indicating too lean of an idle mixture.
> >
> > Static runs are good, no missing and it turns about 2100 to 2200. Mag
> > checks are good, maybe 25 or so drop on both mags. I would call it good.
> > In the air at cruise, it is just great. When first starting here in the
> > midwest at this time of year, it is very cold natured. Maybe have to
> > start it two or three times to get it going and keeping it going. We
> > have been running av-gas, premium car gas, and non alcohol regular.
> > seems like the same thing with any of the fuels.
> >
> > We also get a small fuel drip at shut down for a couple of minutes. This
> > doesnt seem bad, but I know that all 65 hp dont drip like this and I
> > feel there is a relationship between the drip and the richness.
> >
> > The engine has about 100 SMOH and runs great. it is just the low RPM
> > problem that is bothering us. Five of use bought this plane and it had a
> > rebuild in 1998. I learned to fly in it back in 1963. I looked at log
> > book and I put 43 hours in it then. First solo and all cross countries
> > and time building. It was ok back then. I was flying it in the winter
> > and I don't even remember it as being cold natured then. I even used to
> > know how to land it.
> >
> > Any help or more questions... fire away.
> >
> > Phil in Litchfield, IL 1946 J-3 C65 N88096
Thanks for the reply CY. We have not checked that. but it is a good starting
point. I will keep you and the list informed of my progress.
Phil.
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| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
Check the gasket between the carb and the intake manifold.. Had a P-51 do
that to me once.. Hmmmm.. Very embarrassing.. Good Luck
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)consolidated.net> |
Cy Galley , Ron Wanttaja ,
Larry Robbins
| Subject: | cub quitting on landings........ |
This is long dis-regard all spelling and punctuation flaws.....
We have the Cub purrring like a kitten.
This was a hard one. It is not real logical but it is fixed.
We bought this cub in December at
Centralia, IL. Our location is perhaps 50 "crow" miles North-West of
there. The airplane had not been flown for a couple of years. In 1994
the engine was given a good overhaul. This included all accessories. hmm
Carb and two mags. However, the engine wasn't installed until 1998 as
the airframe was also going through a complete restoration also. This
all happened in SW Texas. The airplane was ferried to Southern IL and
there it made its home until we came along and heard it was for sale. We
looked it over in early December and everything seemed in order, so a
gang of us got some dough together and bought it on December 17th.(100th
aniversary)
December 18th, we drained the fuel and put in new car gas. It was cold
that day and it took a while to get it started and warmed up. We had put
some hair driers into it to warm thngs up and they did a real good job
getting the kidney warmed up.
It was a little stubborn to keep running, but finally we got it going.
We knew we were going to put a lot of hours getting it ready for the
annual.
I took off and headed out. We planned a stop at Greenville, IL to trade
pilots. This was maybe 20 or 25 crow miles. There are a lot of crows
around here. After landing at Greenville, the engine quit on landing
roll, we then knew something was not quite the norm. While there we put
in 3 1/2 gals of avgas to mix with the car gas. We traded planes, I flew
a pretty RV3 the rest of the way while Perry flew the Cub. It was a
short trip to Litchfield, (3LF). When he landed, again the engine quit.
Funny thing, it would restart real easily about the third blade
everytime withought touching anything, but you had to get it above 1000
to keep it running smoothly.
The engine was not going to be our real problem because most of us were
somewhat up on engines, besides that, this was just an A65.. (dumb asses
we are)
I did one of them for my A'n'P back in the late 60's. Simple little
thing....
So we went into the airframe and boy did we open a can of worms there.
Nothing real bad, but a lot of little bitty things, like no cotter pin
in the nut and bolt that holds "up" elevator cable on right behind the
seat, etc, etc, and on and on and on.....
Oh well that was what inspections are for. except I missed that on the
ferry inspection and the nut was nearly off.
I think I am getting carried away. Back to the engine. When we checked
the oil screen, it was caked full of hard sludge, not completely. No
metal was in it, but a lot of hard sludge build up. (Keep this in mind
for later)
We finally got the airplane in real good shape and annual'd. It had
great compression and from the looks of things all was done right. We
started flying it and again nearly every landing it would die unless you
were very clever with the throttle. While analyzing this we noticed that
when the engine warmed up good the oil pressure would drop to a pretty
low level. after a couple of hours, we decided that this was more
important than the running problem, so we tore it apart.
All crank journals were bad. All other steel parts showed no signs of
excessive wear. Most things were new at overhaul. Case was align bored,
new cam, cam followers, hydraulic plungers, new pistons valves, oil
pump, and almost everything you could think of except case and crank.
But for some crazy reason this shaft went bad, we suspect possible oil
starvation, but it seems there would have been severe wear on some of
the other rotating parts and cam to cam follower wear, but there wasn't.
This shaft had been turned down 10 thous. and I was wondering if there
was a metalergical problem with it. Maybe supposed to have been nitrided
and not. or wrong alloy to begin with. Who knows.... As luck would have
it, back in the 60's I found an old engine in the junk yard. The man at
the junk yard said he would have to have $2 because it had that much
aluminum in it. It was missing a jug and there was a rats nest in it.
probably had been in a coal shed. I took it to the local airport and the
shop mechanic offered to buy the three jugs from me for $25 each so I
sold them. At that point of time, I was $73 ahead and still had some
internal parts and a case. I took it apart looked things over, and threw
away most of it. I kept the case and shaft. For 40 years now I have been
stumbling over that shaft. Every so often, I would pour some oil on it
and grunt about it. A few months ago, I had made up my mind that I would
throw it in the trash this spring, because I was never going to use it
and I was tired of stepping over it, and besides it was probably out of
specs.
When our shaft went bad we checked this one with thoughts of just maybe
it would go a 10 under grind. We got it out and bingo, it was a perfect
ten under and all was great, it looked like new shaft. We checked it and
stuck it in. Purrs like a kitten, except it still quits on landings and
doesnt want to keep running.
That is where our story began.
We took the overhauled carb apart to check it. Again, almost everything
seemed new in it, it was done right by a carb overhaul shop. We wondered
about mags. It has Eisemans on it. We took one apart, it was like new
inside, they had both been in a shop in the NorhtWest that specializes
in mags. all kinds of new parts and just the slightest motion makes a
great spark.
Checked intake system, changed all gaskets, tightened all hoses. Primer
was sucking some fuel, the guy who rebuilt airplane had installed it
wrong, we fixed it, still no luck.....
We took the carb apart a couple times to check and recheck the float
settings, check all passages again and again. We changed mags with one
that was working on another engine. Changed spark plugs a couple of
times. (Not new ones-cleaned old ones)
Still it quit on landings--- But we have great oil pressure now.
Finally after trying different auto fuels, we switched to some avgas,
which we should have done right off. Ureka, This was the problem. For
some reason, this engine does not like car gas.are we getting some
additives in the winter time that they are preparing for St. Louis EPA
problems??? DUNNO
We had ran it on avgas earlier, but it was a mixture. This time we ran
all car gas out of it and it works perfect on pure av-gas.
There is a reason for this. I don't know it yet, but a Luscombe right
next door runs good on car gas. but he hasn't ran it since cold weather
set in. We used its mag and carburetor which did run his, but ours
doesnt. Our friend who has the RV-3 always runs car gas in his 150 lyc.
I ran it most of the time in my 180 Pitts. But this Cub does not like
it.
A friend of mine, Giles Henderson has a Clipped Cub, he runs car gas
most of the time. Giles is retired from Eastern Illinois University
where he was a Chemistry Professor. He told us some things about auto
fuels that he learned when testing these fuels with a gas chromatograph
in their laboratory. He said that sometimes a fuel will leave a very
sooty-oily residue which alludes to being rich when in fact it is
running lean. It is because of the different flame propogation of the
different components in the car gas. He was refering to fuels with lots
of benzine to replace lead which is no longer the anti knock agent.
This was one of our problems, we would check the plugs and they almost
always had the appearance of being oil and soot fouled. The engine uses
hardly any oil. After we switched to av gas, they cleaned up, the
exhaust pipe cleaned up and all is good.
The fuel we used the most of was a Mobile premium. We tried small
quantities of Amoco premium.
The Mobile premium has an amber color to it while the Amoco almost looks
like 100 LL....
We are going to test some different fuels hoping to find one that works
good for us here.
When I first mentioned this problem to Cy and the Cub list, I said we
had tried all fuels with the same results. It had slipped my mind that
we had mixed the av gas at Greenville with an equal amount of Mobil.
Perhaps the Mobil fuel was older, has different additives for the
winter, or who knows.
I hope I didnt bore everyone with this, but I said I would let people
know what I found.
I plan to leave here with it about the 11th for SnF. It will take two
days plus to get there. I will try to park at IAC tent. If you see It or
me there, say hi or stick a note inside it, up on the instrument panel.
Here is a picture of our Cub and the website for our city airport
http://www.wamusa.com/members/airport/
go to pilot information. Photography by Jim Wright in his Luscombe 8A.
Phil Sisson in Litchfield, IL
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: cub quitting on landings........ |
Phil,
Interesting findings & information. THANKS for taking the time to let us
know what you found. Hope that's the end to the problem. Do you know if
Peterson's or EAA's Auto-fuel STC guidelines support your findings (ie:
brand of auto fuel they suggest) ?
FYI, our C85 w/Stromberg carb will idle rich and sometimes try to quit on
landing in cold wx only. We always run either 80 or 100LL Avgas in it.
I admire your ambition to fly the Cub to Sun-n-fun! Great!
Hope you get better wx than we have in Northern IL today...approaching 2" of
snow just this morning...probably my own fault as I switched from ski's to
wheels last week!
Happy St. Pat's Day,
Rick
Hampshire, IL (68IS)
'46 Cub (Wheels, Skis and Floats)
rlutes(at)fvi.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)consolidated.net>
; "Larry Robbins"
Subject: Cub-List: cub quitting on landings........
>
> This is long dis-regard all spelling and punctuation flaws.....
>
> We have the Cub purrring like a kitten.
>
> This was a hard one. It is not real logical but it is fixed.
>
> We bought this cub in December at
> Centralia, IL. Our location is perhaps 50 "crow" miles North-West of
> there. The airplane had not been flown for a couple of years. In 1994
> the engine was given a good overhaul. This included all accessories. hmm
> Carb and two mags. However, the engine wasn't installed until 1998 as
> the airframe was also going through a complete restoration also. This
> all happened in SW Texas. The airplane was ferried to Southern IL and
> there it made its home until we came along and heard it was for sale. We
> looked it over in early December and everything seemed in order, so a
> gang of us got some dough together and bought it on December 17th.(100th
> aniversary)
> December 18th, we drained the fuel and put in new car gas. It was cold
> that day and it took a while to get it started and warmed up. We had put
> some hair driers into it to warm thngs up and they did a real good job
> getting the kidney warmed up.
> It was a little stubborn to keep running, but finally we got it going.
> We knew we were going to put a lot of hours getting it ready for the
> annual.
>
> I took off and headed out. We planned a stop at Greenville, IL to trade
> pilots. This was maybe 20 or 25 crow miles. There are a lot of crows
> around here. After landing at Greenville, the engine quit on landing
> roll, we then knew something was not quite the norm. While there we put
> in 3 1/2 gals of avgas to mix with the car gas. We traded planes, I flew
> a pretty RV3 the rest of the way while Perry flew the Cub. It was a
> short trip to Litchfield, (3LF). When he landed, again the engine quit.
>
> Funny thing, it would restart real easily about the third blade
> everytime withought touching anything, but you had to get it above 1000
> to keep it running smoothly.
>
> The engine was not going to be our real problem because most of us were
> somewhat up on engines, besides that, this was just an A65.. (dumb asses
> we are)
>
> I did one of them for my A'n'P back in the late 60's. Simple little
> thing....
>
> So we went into the airframe and boy did we open a can of worms there.
> Nothing real bad, but a lot of little bitty things, like no cotter pin
> in the nut and bolt that holds "up" elevator cable on right behind the
> seat, etc, etc, and on and on and on.....
>
> Oh well that was what inspections are for. except I missed that on the
> ferry inspection and the nut was nearly off.
> I think I am getting carried away. Back to the engine. When we checked
> the oil screen, it was caked full of hard sludge, not completely. No
> metal was in it, but a lot of hard sludge build up. (Keep this in mind
> for later)
>
> We finally got the airplane in real good shape and annual'd. It had
> great compression and from the looks of things all was done right. We
> started flying it and again nearly every landing it would die unless you
> were very clever with the throttle. While analyzing this we noticed that
> when the engine warmed up good the oil pressure would drop to a pretty
> low level. after a couple of hours, we decided that this was more
> important than the running problem, so we tore it apart.
>
> All crank journals were bad. All other steel parts showed no signs of
> excessive wear. Most things were new at overhaul. Case was align bored,
> new cam, cam followers, hydraulic plungers, new pistons valves, oil
> pump, and almost everything you could think of except case and crank.
> But for some crazy reason this shaft went bad, we suspect possible oil
> starvation, but it seems there would have been severe wear on some of
> the other rotating parts and cam to cam follower wear, but there wasn't.
>
> This shaft had been turned down 10 thous. and I was wondering if there
> was a metalergical problem with it. Maybe supposed to have been nitrided
> and not. or wrong alloy to begin with. Who knows.... As luck would have
> it, back in the 60's I found an old engine in the junk yard. The man at
> the junk yard said he would have to have $2 because it had that much
> aluminum in it. It was missing a jug and there was a rats nest in it.
> probably had been in a coal shed. I took it to the local airport and the
> shop mechanic offered to buy the three jugs from me for $25 each so I
> sold them. At that point of time, I was $73 ahead and still had some
> internal parts and a case. I took it apart looked things over, and threw
> away most of it. I kept the case and shaft. For 40 years now I have been
> stumbling over that shaft. Every so often, I would pour some oil on it
> and grunt about it. A few months ago, I had made up my mind that I would
> throw it in the trash this spring, because I was never going to use it
> and I was tired of stepping over it, and besides it was probably out of
> specs.
>
> When our shaft went bad we checked this one with thoughts of just maybe
> it would go a 10 under grind. We got it out and bingo, it was a perfect
> ten under and all was great, it looked like new shaft. We checked it and
> stuck it in. Purrs like a kitten, except it still quits on landings and
> doesnt want to keep running.
>
> That is where our story began.
>
> We took the overhauled carb apart to check it. Again, almost everything
> seemed new in it, it was done right by a carb overhaul shop. We wondered
> about mags. It has Eisemans on it. We took one apart, it was like new
> inside, they had both been in a shop in the NorhtWest that specializes
> in mags. all kinds of new parts and just the slightest motion makes a
> great spark.
>
> Checked intake system, changed all gaskets, tightened all hoses. Primer
> was sucking some fuel, the guy who rebuilt airplane had installed it
> wrong, we fixed it, still no luck.....
>
> We took the carb apart a couple times to check and recheck the float
> settings, check all passages again and again. We changed mags with one
> that was working on another engine. Changed spark plugs a couple of
> times. (Not new ones-cleaned old ones)
>
> Still it quit on landings--- But we have great oil pressure now.
>
> Finally after trying different auto fuels, we switched to some avgas,
> which we should have done right off. Ureka, This was the problem. For
> some reason, this engine does not like car gas.are we getting some
> additives in the winter time that they are preparing for St. Louis EPA
> problems??? DUNNO
>
> We had ran it on avgas earlier, but it was a mixture. This time we ran
> all car gas out of it and it works perfect on pure av-gas.
>
> There is a reason for this. I don't know it yet, but a Luscombe right
> next door runs good on car gas. but he hasn't ran it since cold weather
> set in. We used its mag and carburetor which did run his, but ours
> doesnt. Our friend who has the RV-3 always runs car gas in his 150 lyc.
> I ran it most of the time in my 180 Pitts. But this Cub does not like
> it.
>
> A friend of mine, Giles Henderson has a Clipped Cub, he runs car gas
> most of the time. Giles is retired from Eastern Illinois University
> where he was a Chemistry Professor. He told us some things about auto
> fuels that he learned when testing these fuels with a gas chromatograph
> in their laboratory. He said that sometimes a fuel will leave a very
> sooty-oily residue which alludes to being rich when in fact it is
> running lean. It is because of the different flame propogation of the
> different components in the car gas. He was refering to fuels with lots
> of benzine to replace lead which is no longer the anti knock agent.
> This was one of our problems, we would check the plugs and they almost
> always had the appearance of being oil and soot fouled. The engine uses
> hardly any oil. After we switched to av gas, they cleaned up, the
> exhaust pipe cleaned up and all is good.
>
> The fuel we used the most of was a Mobile premium. We tried small
> quantities of Amoco premium.
>
> The Mobile premium has an amber color to it while the Amoco almost looks
> like 100 LL....
>
> We are going to test some different fuels hoping to find one that works
> good for us here.
>
> When I first mentioned this problem to Cy and the Cub list, I said we
> had tried all fuels with the same results. It had slipped my mind that
> we had mixed the av gas at Greenville with an equal amount of Mobil.
> Perhaps the Mobil fuel was older, has different additives for the
> winter, or who knows.
>
> I hope I didnt bore everyone with this, but I said I would let people
> know what I found.
>
> I plan to leave here with it about the 11th for SnF. It will take two
> days plus to get there. I will try to park at IAC tent. If you see It or
> me there, say hi or stick a note inside it, up on the instrument panel.
> Here is a picture of our Cub and the website for our city airport
> http://www.wamusa.com/members/airport/
> go to pilot information. Photography by Jim Wright in his Luscombe 8A.
>
>
> Phil Sisson in Litchfield, IL
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dave" <dave(at)coltnet.net> |
| Subject: | ramp and weather worn non flying super cub |
Listers,
I have the chance to purchase a 1952 PA-18A with unknown TT and unknown Engine
Time. Been sitting out side for at least 6 years and has not flown for six years.
It is a project airplane. Engine is the 0-320-A2A What would this thing
be worth so that when I over haul the engine and put new fabric on it and various
other things, I won't be upside down economically?
Thanks in advance
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | LKDAUDT2(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: ramp and weather worn non flying super cub |
A complete ground up restoration will cost you in the area of $50,000 if you
dont have to replace things, like the prop, fuel tanks, or engine..
It would probably sell for $70 to $80.000 if the job is great with good or
new radios and instruments and a fresh major on the engine..
So subtract 50 from 80 and try to buy it for half of that.. Then you will
have 15,000
as a buffer to negotiate with.. Good luck... Larry
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Gandjpappy(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Cub-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/21/04 |
I'm not sure how many listers there really are out there as I have been suscribed
for several months and have only seen a few posts but I thought I would try.
I have a J5 Cub that had a PA-12 FWF installed many many years ago. I have a line
on a C-90 and am thinking about restoring the cub to at least look original
(yes I know it had a C-75 from the factory). Any body know where I might be
able to get a STC for the C-90 in a J5 and is there any interest in purchasing
an 0-235, prop, and PA-12 mount?
Regards,
Greg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste(at)danvilletelco.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cub-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/21/04 |
Greg,
You might try the Yahoo list, it's a lot more active!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piper-cub-builders/
Regards,
Bob Christensen J4-A NC27857
----- Original Message -----
From: <Gandjpappy(at)aol.com>
Subject: Cub-List: Re: Cub-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/21/04
>
> I'm not sure how many listers there really are out there as I have been
suscribed for several months and have only seen a few posts but I thought I
would try.
>
> I have a J5 Cub that had a PA-12 FWF installed many many years ago. I
have a line on a C-90 and am thinking about restoring the cub to at least
look original (yes I know it had a C-75 from the factory). Any body know
where I might be able to get a STC for the C-90 in a J5 and is there any
interest in purchasing an 0-235, prop, and PA-12 mount?
>
> Regards,
> Greg
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Cub-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/21/04 |
Bob,
Thanks for posting the link to the yahoo list. I've been looking for a more
active cub list! I'll continue to monitor this one too.
Rick
J3, EDO 1400's
rlutes(at)fvi.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Maureen & Bob Christensen" <mchriste(at)danvilletelco.net>
Subject: Re: Cub-List: Re: Cub-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/21/04
>
> Greg,
>
> You might try the Yahoo list, it's a lot more active!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/piper-cub-builders/
>
> Regards,
> Bob Christensen J4-A NC27857
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Gandjpappy(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Cub-List: Re: Cub-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/21/04
>
>
> >
> > I'm not sure how many listers there really are out there as I have been
> suscribed for several months and have only seen a few posts but I thought
I
> would try.
> >
> > I have a J5 Cub that had a PA-12 FWF installed many many years ago. I
> have a line on a C-90 and am thinking about restoring the cub to at least
> look original (yes I know it had a C-75 from the factory). Any body know
> where I might be able to get a STC for the C-90 in a J5 and is there any
> interest in purchasing an 0-235, prop, and PA-12 mount?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Greg
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com> |
I am a new member to this list. I own a piper J-5, and am interested in information
and discussion relative to the older piper cub models.
Phil Phillips
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)access4less.net> |
Hey Phil,
I signed up for this list more than a month ago and yours is the first
message I have seen There really is life out there.
I (and partners) own a 39 clip wing J-3.
Bill Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com>
Subject: Cub-List: new to list
>
> I am a new member to this list. I own a piper J-5, and am interested in
information and discussion relative to the older piper cub models.
>
> Phil Phillips
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net> |
Hi Phil & Bill,
I can't answer why, but for some reason this is one of the quieter lists of
the Matronics groups. I wish there was more activity here because I'm
comfortable with the way the Matronics lists work (Matt does a great job
making it happen). The RV lists on Matronics are extremely popular.
There is more cub/old piper activity on the Yahoo list:
piper-cub-builders(at)yahoogroups.com . It's kind of a pain to sign up, but
there are some good discussions and helpful contributors there.
Where are you based Phil?
Bill, I've always been fascinated by clip-wings. I flew in a 100 HP one in
California years ago & just loved it. Where is yours based and how do you
like having partner's in on it? Do you have any advise to someone looking to
start a partnership on a low & slow airplane?
Thanks,
Rick
Hampshire, IL
'46 J-3 on EDO 1400's
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)access4less.net>
Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
>
> Hey Phil,
>
> I signed up for this list more than a month ago and yours is the first
> message I have seen There really is life out there.
>
> I (and partners) own a 39 clip wing J-3.
>
> Bill Davis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com>
> To:
> Subject: Cub-List: new to list
>
>
> >
> > I am a new member to this list. I own a piper J-5, and am interested in
> information and discussion relative to the older piper cub models.
> >
> > Phil Phillips
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com> |
Thanks for the reply. I am in Kalama, Wa. which is about 30 miles North of
Portland Oregon. I have had J-5s for about 20 years. I have neaver flown
any theing that is more fun to fly. It is ideal for this country.
I agree about other list. I have been on the Pietenpol list and the average
day is 20 to 25 messages.
Phil Phillips
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net>
Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)access4less.net> |
Hi Rick,
Wish our clip wing had the 0-200. It's got thee-75 but it's a lot of fun and
we love it. It may be the only Cub around with brand new expander tube
brakes. We were lucky enough to stumble on to a new set when one of the
expander tubes blew. Two of us partners have other airplanes (RV's), the
third (Rebecca) just flies the Cub. We are all very compatible, it works out
fine. I do think that any more than 3 would get cumbersome.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net>
Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
>
> Hi Phil & Bill,
> I can't answer why, but for some reason this is one of the quieter lists
of
> the Matronics groups. I wish there was more activity here because I'm
> comfortable with the way the Matronics lists work (Matt does a great job
> making it happen). The RV lists on Matronics are extremely popular.
> There is more cub/old piper activity on the Yahoo list:
> piper-cub-builders(at)yahoogroups.com . It's kind of a pain to sign up, but
> there are some good discussions and helpful contributors there.
>
> Where are you based Phil?
>
> Bill, I've always been fascinated by clip-wings. I flew in a 100 HP one in
> California years ago & just loved it. Where is yours based and how do you
> like having partner's in on it? Do you have any advise to someone looking
to
> start a partnership on a low & slow airplane?
>
> Thanks,
> Rick
> Hampshire, IL
> '46 J-3 on EDO 1400's
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)access4less.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
>
>
> >
> > Hey Phil,
> >
> > I signed up for this list more than a month ago and yours is the first
> > message I have seen There really is life out there.
> >
> > I (and partners) own a 39 clip wing J-3.
> >
> > Bill Davis
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Cub-List: new to list
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I am a new member to this list. I own a piper J-5, and am interested
in
> > information and discussion relative to the older piper cub models.
> > >
> > > Phil Phillips
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: partnerships |
Bill,
Thanks for the reply & sound advise on partnerships. Sounds like you have a
great one! With two of you having other "traveling" airplanes, it may take
the implied pressure off having the group-owned airplane available. An RV is
a wonderful complement to a Cub. Both have wonderful, though very different,
flying qualities and performance ranges. My wife and I own a older RV-4
also.
Three partners may also be the best number for insurance expense too. Most
of the quotes I've gotten really jump in price if there are more than three
"named" pilots.
How's the 75 hp do with two people in the Clip-wing? Would it be adequate at
a 1000 ft elevation airport? Is yours a Reed or a metal spar?
Best,
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)access4less.net>
Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> Wish our clip wing had the 0-200. It's got thee-75 but it's a lot of fun
and
> we love it. It may be the only Cub around with brand new expander tube
> brakes. We were lucky enough to stumble on to a new set when one of the
> expander tubes blew. Two of us partners have other airplanes (RV's), the
> third (Rebecca) just flies the Cub. We are all very compatible, it works
out
> fine. I do think that any more than 3 would get cumbersome.
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
>
>
> >
> > Hi Phil & Bill,
> > I can't answer why, but for some reason this is one of the quieter lists
> of
> > the Matronics groups. I wish there was more activity here because I'm
> > comfortable with the way the Matronics lists work (Matt does a great job
> > making it happen). The RV lists on Matronics are extremely popular.
> > There is more cub/old piper activity on the Yahoo list:
> > piper-cub-builders(at)yahoogroups.com . It's kind of a pain to sign up, but
> > there are some good discussions and helpful contributors there.
> >
> > Where are you based Phil?
> >
> > Bill, I've always been fascinated by clip-wings. I flew in a 100 HP one
in
> > California years ago & just loved it. Where is yours based and how do
you
> > like having partner's in on it? Do you have any advise to someone
looking
> to
> > start a partnership on a low & slow airplane?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rick
> > Hampshire, IL
> > '46 J-3 on EDO 1400's
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)access4less.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > Hey Phil,
> > >
> > > I signed up for this list more than a month ago and yours is the first
> > > message I have seen There really is life out there.
> > >
> > > I (and partners) own a 39 clip wing J-3.
> > >
> > > Bill Davis
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Cub-List: new to list
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I am a new member to this list. I own a piper J-5, and am
interested
> in
> > > information and discussion relative to the older piper cub models.
> > > >
> > > > Phil Phillips
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net> |
Hi Phil,
Sounds like perfect Cub country!. I hope to vacation in the Pacific
Northwest more in future summers.
What do you find to be best features of a J-5 over a J-3? I've never been in
a J-5, but have looked a few. How's it compare to a PA-12?
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com>
Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
>
> Thanks for the reply. I am in Kalama, Wa. which is about 30 miles North
of
> Portland Oregon. I have had J-5s for about 20 years. I have neaver flown
> any theing that is more fun to fly. It is ideal for this country.
>
> I agree about other list. I have been on the Pietenpol list and the
average
> day is 20 to 25 messages.
>
> Phil Phillips
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com> |
The two features I like best over the J-3 are;
1. You solo the J-5 from the front seat.
2. The wide rear seat allows carrying two passengers if the need arises.
The normal flight characteristics of the J-5 are like the PA-12. It does
not have flaps but it slips easily. You can come down like an elevator, for
short fields, with the slip. If I ever replace the engine, I will go with a
larger one. The 85 HP does a fine job, but a few more horsepower would
help.
All in all, the J-5 is just a fun airplane for beating around in the hills.
If you ever get to this area, you have a place to stay for sight seeing. I
am 20 miles from Mt. St. Helens, one hour from the coast, and one hour from
the desert.
Phil Phillips
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net>
Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
>
> Hi Phil,
> Sounds like perfect Cub country!. I hope to vacation in the Pacific
> Northwest more in future summers.
> What do you find to be best features of a J-5 over a J-3? I've never been
in
> a J-5, but have looked a few. How's it compare to a PA-12?
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
>
>
> >
> > Thanks for the reply. I am in Kalama, Wa. which is about 30 miles North
> of
> > Portland Oregon. I have had J-5s for about 20 years. I have neaver
flown
> > any theing that is more fun to fly. It is ideal for this country.
> >
> > I agree about other list. I have been on the Pietenpol list and the
> average
> > day is 20 to 25 messages.
> >
> > Phil Phillips
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)access4less.net> |
| Subject: | Re: partnerships |
Rick,
The 75 HP does OK with two as long as one is not a heavy. We are at 170' msl
here in FL and that helps. I think it would be OK at 1000' but not much
more. The C-85 or O-200 would be better of course. Ours is a Reed
conversion on a 1939 wood spar.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net>
Subject: Re: Cub-List: partnerships
>
> Bill,
> Thanks for the reply & sound advise on partnerships. Sounds like you have
a
> great one! With two of you having other "traveling" airplanes, it may
take
> the implied pressure off having the group-owned airplane available. An RV
is
> a wonderful complement to a Cub. Both have wonderful, though very
different,
> flying qualities and performance ranges. My wife and I own a older RV-4
> also.
> Three partners may also be the best number for insurance expense too. Most
> of the quotes I've gotten really jump in price if there are more than
three
> "named" pilots.
> How's the 75 hp do with two people in the Clip-wing? Would it be adequate
at
> a 1000 ft elevation airport? Is yours a Reed or a metal spar?
> Best,
> Rick
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)access4less.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
>
>
> >
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> > Wish our clip wing had the 0-200. It's got thee-75 but it's a lot of fun
> and
> > we love it. It may be the only Cub around with brand new expander tube
> > brakes. We were lucky enough to stumble on to a new set when one of the
> > expander tubes blew. Two of us partners have other airplanes (RV's),
the
> > third (Rebecca) just flies the Cub. We are all very compatible, it works
> out
> > fine. I do think that any more than 3 would get cumbersome.
> >
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Phil & Bill,
> > > I can't answer why, but for some reason this is one of the quieter
lists
> > of
> > > the Matronics groups. I wish there was more activity here because I'm
> > > comfortable with the way the Matronics lists work (Matt does a great
job
> > > making it happen). The RV lists on Matronics are extremely popular.
> > > There is more cub/old piper activity on the Yahoo list:
> > > piper-cub-builders(at)yahoogroups.com . It's kind of a pain to sign up,
but
> > > there are some good discussions and helpful contributors there.
> > >
> > > Where are you based Phil?
> > >
> > > Bill, I've always been fascinated by clip-wings. I flew in a 100 HP
one
> in
> > > California years ago & just loved it. Where is yours based and how do
> you
> > > like having partner's in on it? Do you have any advise to someone
> looking
> > to
> > > start a partnership on a low & slow airplane?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Rick
> > > Hampshire, IL
> > > '46 J-3 on EDO 1400's
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)access4less.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
> > >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Hey Phil,
> > > >
> > > > I signed up for this list more than a month ago and yours is the
first
> > > > message I have seen There really is life out there.
> > > >
> > > > I (and partners) own a 39 clip wing J-3.
> > > >
> > > > Bill Davis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Cub-List: new to list
> > > >
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > I am a new member to this list. I own a piper J-5, and am
> interested
> > in
> > > > information and discussion relative to the older piper cub models.
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil Phillips
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: partnerships |
Thanks Bill,
Sounds like a fun airplane!
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)access4less.net>
Subject: Re: Cub-List: partnerships
>
> Rick,
>
> The 75 HP does OK with two as long as one is not a heavy. We are at 170'
msl
> here in FL and that helps. I think it would be OK at 1000' but not much
> more. The C-85 or O-200 would be better of course. Ours is a Reed
> conversion on a 1939 wood spar.
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Cub-List: partnerships
>
>
> >
> > Bill,
> > Thanks for the reply & sound advise on partnerships. Sounds like you
have
> a
> > great one! With two of you having other "traveling" airplanes, it may
> take
> > the implied pressure off having the group-owned airplane available. An
RV
> is
> > a wonderful complement to a Cub. Both have wonderful, though very
> different,
> > flying qualities and performance ranges. My wife and I own a older RV-4
> > also.
> > Three partners may also be the best number for insurance expense too.
Most
> > of the quotes I've gotten really jump in price if there are more than
> three
> > "named" pilots.
> > How's the 75 hp do with two people in the Clip-wing? Would it be
adequate
> at
> > a 1000 ft elevation airport? Is yours a Reed or a metal spar?
> > Best,
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)access4less.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
> >
> >
>
> > >
> > > Hi Rick,
> > >
> > > Wish our clip wing had the 0-200. It's got thee-75 but it's a lot of
fun
> > and
> > > we love it. It may be the only Cub around with brand new expander tube
> > > brakes. We were lucky enough to stumble on to a new set when one of
the
> > > expander tubes blew. Two of us partners have other airplanes (RV's),
> the
> > > third (Rebecca) just flies the Cub. We are all very compatible, it
works
> > out
> > > fine. I do think that any more than 3 would get cumbersome.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Phil & Bill,
> > > > I can't answer why, but for some reason this is one of the quieter
> lists
> > > of
> > > > the Matronics groups. I wish there was more activity here because
I'm
> > > > comfortable with the way the Matronics lists work (Matt does a great
> job
> > > > making it happen). The RV lists on Matronics are extremely popular.
> > > > There is more cub/old piper activity on the Yahoo list:
> > > > piper-cub-builders(at)yahoogroups.com . It's kind of a pain to sign up,
> but
> > > > there are some good discussions and helpful contributors there.
> > > >
> > > > Where are you based Phil?
> > > >
> > > > Bill, I've always been fascinated by clip-wings. I flew in a 100 HP
> one
> > in
> > > > California years ago & just loved it. Where is yours based and how
do
> > you
> > > > like having partner's in on it? Do you have any advise to someone
> > looking
> > > to
> > > > start a partnership on a low & slow airplane?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Rick
> > > > Hampshire, IL
> > > > '46 J-3 on EDO 1400's
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Davis" <rvpilot(at)access4less.net>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Phil,
> > > > >
> > > > > I signed up for this list more than a month ago and yours is the
> first
> > > > > message I have seen There really is life out there.
> > > > >
> > > > > I (and partners) own a 39 clip wing J-3.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill Davis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Cub-List: new to list
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am a new member to this list. I own a piper J-5, and am
> > interested
> > > in
> > > > > information and discussion relative to the older piper cub models.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Phil Phillips
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net> |
Phil,
Thanks for the info and invitation! Sounds like a beautiful place to live.
If I get through there I'll drop you a line and look you up.
Same invite goes to you if your ever in Northern Illinois. We live on a
strip one hour south of OSH. No majestic mountains, just a lot of corn and
soybean fields!
FWIW, I'm real happy with the C85-8 on our Cub. It has a O-200 crankshaft
STC and a 40" pitch prop (for seaplane ops.). It's a real hoot on wheels
with that engine and prop.
Have fun!
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com>
Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
>
> The two features I like best over the J-3 are;
> 1. You solo the J-5 from the front seat.
> 2. The wide rear seat allows carrying two passengers if the need arises.
>
> The normal flight characteristics of the J-5 are like the PA-12. It does
> not have flaps but it slips easily. You can come down like an elevator,
for
> short fields, with the slip. If I ever replace the engine, I will go with
a
> larger one. The 85 HP does a fine job, but a few more horsepower would
> help.
>
> All in all, the J-5 is just a fun airplane for beating around in the
hills.
>
> If you ever get to this area, you have a place to stay for sight seeing.
I
> am 20 miles from Mt. St. Helens, one hour from the coast, and one hour
from
> the desert.
>
> Phil Phillips
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
>
>
> >
> > Hi Phil,
> > Sounds like perfect Cub country!. I hope to vacation in the Pacific
> > Northwest more in future summers.
> > What do you find to be best features of a J-5 over a J-3? I've never
been
> in
> > a J-5, but have looked a few. How's it compare to a PA-12?
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Phil Phillips" <pphillips(at)kalama.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reply. I am in Kalama, Wa. which is about 30 miles
North
> > of
> > > Portland Oregon. I have had J-5s for about 20 years. I have neaver
> flown
> > > any theing that is more fun to fly. It is ideal for this country.
> > >
> > > I agree about other list. I have been on the Pietenpol list and the
> > average
> > > day is 20 to 25 messages.
> > >
> > > Phil Phillips
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Cub-List: new to list
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! |
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Maurice Fraser" <mfraser(at)gokenora.com> |
Hi All
Just wondering if anyone has ever came across a web site or somewhere to
find dorsal fins or fins you can add to each side of the horizontal
stabilizer to add more vertical stabilizer to an airplane to reduce yaw
tendencies. I am asking for a friend that has a cub PA-22 and wants to look
at improving the airplane. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "zoperman1(at)netzero.com" <zoperman1(at)netzero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cub-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/14/05 |
I'm interested in building a cub clone. How much of a real cub can I put into
it and be legal?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "zoperman1(at)netzero.com" <zoperman1(at)netzero.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Cub-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 04/14/05 |
I'm interested in building a cub clone. How much of a real cub can I put into
it and be legal?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Stoner" <john(at)dakotacubaircraft.com> |
You can use as many 'real' parts as you desire. What makes it an
experimental is the fact that you built it. As the manufacturer (builder)
you decide whether a part is suitable.
John
________________________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade... |
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| From: | brian olofsson <brian060901(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Re: re: cub clone |
Hey: I didn't even know there was a cub list... I 've had multiple answers to
this question. How hard is it to convert a Wag aero cubbie to a cub. I have
a "cubbie" with old "new stock" tail, instruments, landing gear etc. The plane
is at least 50% piper. I also have access to the data plates/papers etc. from
several cubs that were totalled yrs ago.. Is it really legal to convert. Also
how much should I pay of these papers/tags... Brian
"John Stoner"
You can use as many 'real' parts as you desire. What makes it an
experimental is the fact that you built it. As the manufacturer (builder)
you decide whether a part is suitable.
John
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade Complete! |
Dear Listers,
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At 12:37 PM 4/16/2005 Saturday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This
>includes some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable
>processors - as well as a complete operating system upgrade from
>scratch. I hope to have both the old system and the new system running at
>the same time to minimize the actual impact of the upgrade.
>
>Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but
>a few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show
>up on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then
>please just try posting it again.
>
>Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux
>7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great
>deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to
>the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems
>will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an
>absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the
>cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them.
>
>I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List
>Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer
>to it as often as you like:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
>
>
>Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at
>Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades
>possible!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Robbins" <larrybojac(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Nancy and Jerry Fabbri flying 65hp J-3 Cub "Mario" from Atlanta |
to ALASKA!
Hello fellow Piper Cub enthusiasts...
just a note and a question here....
A friend and fellow J-3 Cub owner has just departed on a "trip of a
lifetime". They have pointed their stock 65hp Piper J-3 Cub named "Mario"
to the west from Atlanta and are heading all the way to Alaska and back with
it.
They are providing periodic e-mail summaries of their progress... time in
air, fuel burn, stops and present location. The last report had them in
eastern Kansas.
If anyone would like them to POST THOSE UPDATES (would that be OK?) on the
bulletin board, please let them know by sending an invitation to do so to:
lfabbri(at)bellsouth.net
Wish them luck and an occasional TAIL WIND!!!
best wishes all
Larry and Karen Robbins
1946 J-3 in family since 1955
Tennessee
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Rick Lutes" <rlutes(at)fvi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Nancy and Jerry Fabbri flying 65hp J-3 Cub "Mario" from |
Atlanta to ALASKA!
Larry,
Thanks. That would be interesting to follow. Please encourage them to copy
the cub list in.
Another Cub list with a little more activity is the piper-cub-builders list
on Yahoo. The subscribe link is below. I subscribe to both.
Rick
J-3 on wheels, floats & ski's.
Hampshire, IL
To visit your group on the web, go to:
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From: "Larry Robbins" <larrybojac(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Cub-List: Nancy and Jerry Fabbri flying 65hp J-3 Cub "Mario" from
Atlanta to ALASKA!
>
>
> Hello fellow Piper Cub enthusiasts...
>
>
> just a note and a question here....
>
>
> A friend and fellow J-3 Cub owner has just departed on a "trip of a
> lifetime". They have pointed their stock 65hp Piper J-3 Cub named "Mario"
> to the west from Atlanta and are heading all the way to Alaska and back
> with
> it.
>
> They are providing periodic e-mail summaries of their progress... time in
> air, fuel burn, stops and present location. The last report had them in
> eastern Kansas.
>
> If anyone would like them to POST THOSE UPDATES (would that be OK?) on
> the
> bulletin board, please let them know by sending an invitation to do so to:
>
>
> lfabbri(at)bellsouth.net
>
>
> Wish them luck and an occasional TAIL WIND!!!
>
>
> best wishes all
>
>
> Larry and Karen Robbins
> 1946 J-3 in family since 1955
> Tennessee
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Digest Truncation Fixed!! |
Dear Listers,
I finally figured out today what was causing the occasional
truncation of the daily List Digest emails. Seems that every once in
a while a message would contain a single "." (period) on line all by
itself. The mailers would see this and assume that this was the
universal emailer signal for "end of message", and consequently
wouldn't process any of the rest of the Digest message.
I've put in a filter today to remove any of these sequences so we
should be back in business on the Digests.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Phil Sisson, Litchfield Aerobatic Club" <sisson(at)consolidated.net> |
| Subject: | Oshkosh bound, from South , Midwest |
If you are going to Oshkosh, you may want to consider a stop at our
little small town airport.
3LF http://www.litchfieldil.com/airport/
take a look at the photography, the young eagle links, the pilot info
and then.......... stop over here for a night.
Gas is guaranteed at $2.85 a gallon (self service, like at the car gas
stations). We have a courtesy car ( old chevy, not pretty. but runs
good) No, the gas price is not very good, but it is the best we can do
and it will be this price on return trip also. We are about 340 or 350
miles straight south of Oshkosh..
On field camping, and motels within 1 mile walk. restarants, bars, Free
overnighting and Admin. bulding will be
Kept open for rest rooms and what ever. Sleep in there if you want......
Broadband Internet.
Pass this information around to the other lists if you dont mind.
Bring your tie downs and ropes that you will need in Oshkosh just in
case we would have more than eight planes here. There is plenty of grass
for tie downs.......
Also Chapter 61, Acro contest will be going on that weekend at Salem
Illinois.(about 45 miles southeast) Feel free to stop in there for some
great competition and partying....
Phil RV6 flown and tore down now for painting............
Sure wish I had a Pitt's to Fly..........
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
I will be taking the Matronics Web Server down for a few hours today,
Tuesday September 6 2005 for a chassis upgrade. Archive browsing and
searching along with subscription services will be unavailable for
be processed normally during the upgrade. Please check the Matronics
System Status Page for updates (although this page resides on the web
server and won't be available during the upgrade):
http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: He Said, She Said... |
STOP SENDING THIS LIST
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! |
Dear Listers,
I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now available for
all of the Email Lists at Matronics! This is a full-featured system that allows
for viewing, posting, attachments, polls - the works.
But the best part is that it is *completely* integrated with all of the existing
email tools currently available at Matronics! What this means at the most basic
level is that, if you post a message to List from Email in the traditional
way, it will show up on the BBS system *and* get distributed to everyone currently
subscribed to the Email List. By the same token, if you are on the BBS
and post a message to a given List-Forum, the message will not only show up on
the BBS, but also be distributed to everyone on the Email List!!
It is really a very nice implementation and I am very pleased with its operation.
All of the tools you have come to know and love such as the List Search Engine
and List Browse and Download will still be available and contain all of the
latest posts. Think of the new BBS interface as just another method of accessing
the all of the Lists.
You can use the BBS to view all of the latest posts without having to do anything
except use your browser to surf over to the site. You can view and look at
all of the various List's posts. If you want to post a new message or reply
to an existing message from the BBS, you will have to Register on the BBS. This
is a *very* simple process and will only take a couple of minutes. There is
a small icon in the upper righthand side of the main BBS page labeled "Register"
to get you started.
I strongly recommend that you use the exact *same* email address you are subscribed
to the Email Lists with when registering on the BBS. Also, while not an
absolute requirement, I would really appreciate it if people would use their full
name when choosing their Username on the BBS (for example "Matt Dralle").
This just makes it easier for everyone to know who's posting. Also, I have enabled
the ability to upload a small user picture with your profile called an
"avatar". Please use a *real* picture of yourself *with* your cloths on! Thank
you! Maximum size of the bitmap is 120x120.
You can either be subscribed to the BBS, or any number of Email Lists, or both.
Registering on the BBS will allow you to email directly to all of the various
Lists. However, to receive direct List Email, you will need to be *subscribed*
to the various Lists as you have in the past. No changes here in operation.
I have added numerous links on the BBS pointing to the Email List subscription
page.
I've had the BBS connected to the Lists for about a week now, so its already loaded
up with a fair number of messages. You can post photos and other documents
directly to the BBS and links to them will appear in the List Email distributions.
Also, when any messages posted to the BBS are viewed in the List Email
distribution, there will be a URL link at the bottom of the message pointing
back to the BBS.
And here's what you've been waiting for -- the main URL for the new Matronics Email
List BBS is:
http://forums.matronics.com
Please surf on over, Register, and have a great time! I think this will be the
dawn of a whole new era for the Lists at Matronics!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Six New Email Lists / Forums At Matronics! |
Dear Listers,
Its my pleasure to announce the addition of six new Email List / Forums to the
aviation line up at Matronics! These new lists support all the usual features
you've come to know and love from the Matronics Email List including full integration
with the All New Web BBS Forums Site!! The new Lists include:
LycomingEngines-List Textron/Lycoming Engines
RotaxEngines-List Rotax Engine for Aircraft
M14PEngines-List Vendenyev M14P Radial Engine
MurphyMoose-List Murphy Moose Aircraft
Allegro-List Allegro 2000, a Czech-built, Rotax-powered Aircraft
Falco-List Sequoia Aircraft's Falco Experimental
To sign up for any or all of the new Lists, surf over to the Matronics Email List
Subscription Form and follow the instructions:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Don't forget to check out the All New Web BBS Forum now available along with all
of the usual message and archive viewing tools at the Matronics Email Lists
site. Surf over to the following URL for information on the BBS Forum:
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy the new Lists!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Wiki! |
Dear Listers,
I have added a new feature to the Email List Forums at Matronics called a Wiki. What's "Wiki" you ask? A Wiki is a website. You go to it and browse just like you would any other web site. The difference is, you can change it. You can put anything you want on this web site without having to be a web designer or even being the owner. You can write a new page just like writing an email message on the BBS. You don't need to send it off to anyone to install on the site. It is kind of like a Blog (weblog) in which anyone can post. Here is a great page on where the term Wiki came from and what it means in the context of a website: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki
So on to the new Matronics Email List Wiki... I've created this site for anyone
from any of the Email Lists to use. I envision that there are a great many
things that can be added to this new Wiki since there are always new and interesting
tidbits of useful information traversing the Lists.
Off the main Matronics Email List Wiki page, you will find a link called "Community
Portal". Here you will find more links to stubs for all the various Lists
found at Matronics (and a few other links). Brian Lloyd and others from the
Yak-List have already begun adding content in a number of areas. Bob Nuckolls
of AeroElectric fame has added a great article on "Ageing Aircraft".
I have discussed the new Matronics Email List Wiki with Tedd McHenry and Dwight Frye of the RV Wiki Site and they have decided to merge their site over onto the new Matronics Wiki server giving everyone a single source for information on RV building and flying! This migration will begin today and you should be able to find all of the content currently found at www.rvwiki.org moved over to the Matronics Wiki within a few days.
To make edits to the Matronics Wiki, you will need to have a login account on the
Matronics Wiki and I have disabled anonymous edits. This protects the Wiki
site from automated spam engines and other nuisances that could compromise the
data at the site.
Signing up for an account is fast and easy and begins by clicking on the "create
an account or log in" link in the upper right hand corner of any page. Note
that you do not have to have a login or be logged in to view any of the content.
The Matronics Email List Wiki is YOUR Wiki! It is only as useful as the content
found within. The concept of the Wiki is that the people the use it and update
it. If you've got an interesting procedure for doing something, MAKE A WIKI
PAGE ON IT! You can even upload pictures. Saw something interesting at a
flyin? MAKE A WIKI PAGE ON IT! Don't be shy, this is YOUR site to share information
with others with similar interests.
Here is a users guide on using the Wiki implemented at Matronics: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents This gives a lot of great information on how to get started editing pages.
And finally, here is the URL for the Matronics Email List Wiki:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Brian Lloyd has written an excellent introduction to Wikis on the front page.
I encourage you to read it over, then drill into the "Community Portal" and HAVE
FUN!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics BBS Forums |
Hello Listers,
I just wanted to send out a reminder to all of the Listers regarding the new-ish
BBS (Bulletin Board System) Forums that are available at Matronics for the Email
Lists. The BBS Forums give you Web-based access into the same email content
that is generated by the Email Lists. When an email message is posted to
any of the email lists, a copy of the message is also copied to the respective
List forum section on in the BBS Forums. By the same token, when a message is
posted within the BBS Forum interface context, it will also be posted to the
respective email list.
Basically, the BBS Forums give you yet another method of accessing the Matronics
Email List content. Some people prefer email, some prefer web forums; now you
can have it either way or both with the Matronics Lists!
You'll have to register for a login/password on the BBS Forum to _post_ from the
BBS, but you can view message content without registering for an account. To
Register for an account, look for the link at the top of the main BBS Forum
page entitled "Register". Click on it and follow the instructions. Site Administrator
approval will be required (to keep spammers out), but I will try to
get these approved in less than 24 hours.
If you haven't yet taken a look at the Matronics Email List content over on the
BBS Forum, surf on over and take a peek. Its pretty cool. The URL is:
http://forums.matronics.com
I want to stress that the BBS Forums are simply an adjunct to the existing Matronics
Email Lists; another way of viewing and interacting with the Matronics List
content. If you like Email, great. If you like Web Forums, great. If you
like both, great. Its up to you how you view and create your content.
You will also find a URL link at the bottom of this email called Matronics List
Features Navigator. You can click on this link at any time to find URL links
to all of the other great features available on the Matronics site like the Archive
Search Engine, List Browse, List Download, FAQs, Wiki, and lots more.
There is a specific Navigator for each Email List and the link for this specific
List is shown below.
Thanks for all the great list participation and support; it is greatly appreciated!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Two New Email Lists at Matronics and Wiki Reminder! |
Dear Listers,
I have added two new email Lists to the Matronics Line up today. These include
a Continental engine List and a Lightning aircraft List:
===========
continental-list(at)matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Continental-List
Everything related to the Continental aircraft engine. Sky's the limit on discussions
here.
===========
===========
lightning-list(at)matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
This is an exciting new design from Arion Aircraft LLC in Shelbyville Tennessee. Pete Krotje has a very nice web site on the aircraft that can be found here: http://www.arionaircraft.com/
===========
Also, if you haven't checked out the new Matronics Aircraft Wiki, swing by and
have a look. Remember, a Wiki is only as good as the content that the members
put into it. Have a look over some of the sections, and if you've got some interesting
or useful, please add it to the Wiki! Its all about YOU! :-) The
URL for the Matronics Wiki is:
http://wiki.matronics.com
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Enclosure Support |
Dear Listers,
Over the years, I have resisted the urge to enable enclosure support on the Matronics
Lists for a number of reasons relating to performance, capacity, capability,
and security. However, its now 2006 and most everyone using email these
days is on an email client that, at some level, supports the viewing and handling
of enclosures. I get a fair amount of email each month from people on the
various Lists asking why their posts of this or that picture didn't go through.
Back quite a while ago by popular request, I enabled enclosure support for a few
Lists such as the RV10-List, Kolb-List, and the Tailwind-List. Contrary to
my fears, there really hasn't been any significant issues on these Lists relating
to the advent of enclosure support and for the most part, members have policed
themselves well with respect to the size of things they have posted.
Having enclosures enabled on some Lists and not others has given me a fair amount
of headaches with respect to filtering messages and content since the formats
are often quite different between a typical MIME encoded message and a generic
plain-text message. The spammers are getting more cleaver all the time and
are constantly trying to thwart my best efforts at keeping them from posting
to the Lists.
So, for these reasons, I've have decided to go ahead and enable limited enclosure
posting on all of the email Lists at Matronics. This will not only increase
the utility of the Lists, but will afford me a better opportunity to filter
out the chaff.
Here are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the
Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of
the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
jpg, bmp, gif, txt, xls, pdf, and doc
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules could
result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and BE COURTEOUS!
I hope everyone will enjoy the added functionality of enclosures. Please police
yourself and use good judgement when posting messages with enclosures using
the guidelines I've outlined above.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com> |
I need a gas cap for a 1940 J4A . . . the one with two tabs that you
twist and lock. Outside diameter of the neck is 2 1/4' inside
diameter is 1 3/4".
Any ideas??
Thanks,
Bob Christensen
J4A - NC27857
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "dpgtech" <dpgtech(at)bellsouth.net> |
wag aero has these, goggle them and also spruce specialties for there 1- 800
phone numbers. DPG NC24500
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:10 PM
Subject: Cub-List: J4 Gas Cap
>
> I need a gas cap for a 1940 J4A . . . the one with two tabs that you
> twist and lock. Outside diameter of the neck is 2 1/4' inside
> diameter is 1 3/4".
>
> Any ideas??
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Christensen
> J4A - NC27857
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Cub-List
> http://wiki.matronics.com
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks . . . I think I found one on Wag Aero's website.
Bob
On 6/4/06, dpgtech wrote:
>
> wag aero has these, goggle them and also spruce specialties for there 1- 800
> phone numbers. DPG NC24500
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob C. " <flyboy.bob(at)gmail.com>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 4:10 PM
> Subject: Cub-List: J4 Gas Cap
>
>
> >
> > I need a gas cap for a 1940 J4A . . . the one with two tabs that you
> > twist and lock. Outside diameter of the neck is 2 1/4' inside
> > diameter is 1 3/4".
> >
> > Any ideas??
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob Christensen
> > J4A - NC27857
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Cub-List
> > http://wiki.matronics.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Web Server Upgrade Tonight... |
Dear Listers,
This evening I will be upgrading the Matronics Web Server hardware to a new Quad-processor
2.8Ghz Xeon system (yes, 4-physical CPUs!) with an Ultra 320 SCSI
Raid 5 disk system and 5GB of DDR2 RAM.
As with the older system, the new system will be running the latest version of
Redhat Linux. Most of the software configuration work is already done for the
migration, but I still have to sync all of the archive and forum data from the
old system to the new system. I am anticipating about 2 to 3 hours of downtime
for me to fully make the transition, although it could be considerable less
if everything goes according to plan.
The Matronics Webserver will be *UNavailable* from the Internet during the work,
and you will receive a time-out if you try to connect during the upgrade.
Email List Distribution will be *available* during the upgrade of the Web Server,
and List message distribution will function as normal.
This represents a significant performance upgrade for the Matronics Web Server
and you should notice nicely improved searching and surfing performance following
the upgrade!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Incoming Message Size Limit Implemented... |
Dear Listers,
Due to a number of requests to limit the size of incoming posts to the Lists because
of the recently added enclosure feature, I have add a new filter that will
limit the total size of any given message posted to the List. I have initially
set the limit to 2MB
and we'll see how everyone likes that.
If a member attempts to post a message that is greater than the set limit, they
will receive an email back indicating that their message wasn't posted to the
List and why. Also included in the message will be the current size limit and
how large their message
was.
Some might say that 2MB is still too large, but its a place to start...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
Anyone on this list familiar with the plans and/or the plane called a
"Cuby"? I would appreciate a discussion on the subject.
Nathan Moss
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Piper7715h(at)aol.com |
Hi Nathan,
I used the Cuby planes when I restored my 46 J3. There are a few differences
then the original to make it easer for a person to manufacture at home. But
over all good at explaining the overall picture.
Bill white
piper7715h(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Isablcorky(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Continental Engine |
Looking for a Continental Engine 65,75,85 or 90. Preferably a runout to be
rebuilt but will consider what's available. Have time to wait awhile but will
buy when opportunity presents itself. Will pickup with CASH.
Nathan Moss
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Comcast Was Blocking Matronics Email Lists... |
Dear Listers (Specifically Comcast Listers),
For about the last two days, Comcast was blocking incoming email from the Matronics
Email Lists because their spam filters thought the mail was spam. I was
that people on Comcast are receiving List messages again.
If you are a Comcast user, you might want to email them and express your displeasure
with their Spam blocking policy, particularly as it relates to "matronics.com".
Sorry for the hassle...
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser - November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through these sole Contributions
of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site ( http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matornics.com/search ), List Browse ( http://www.matornics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every few days
reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. Each message will generally
highlight a particular feature or benefit of the Matronics Lists or detail
a new feature or service that was added this year. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the
bills associated with running these lists.
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises aka Kitlog Pro (http://www.kitlog.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Paul, Andy, and Jon for their generous
support of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
https://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys really
do feel like family.
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Have You Tried The New Matronics List Forum? |
Hello Listers,
One of the major new additions to the Matronics Email Lists this year was the addition
of a new and full function Forum Web Site at:
http://forums.matronics.com
The best part of these new Forums is that they are tied directly to the Classic
email distribution Lists! That also means that posts go in both directions.
If you post a message on the Forum web site, it will be cross posted to the respective
Email List. And, if you post a message to a particular Email List,
it will be cross posted to the same respective forum on the Forum site!
So, no matter what your content viewing pleasure is - either direct email distribution
or web-based GUI interface, you can have it at the Matronics Email Lists!
Won't you make a Contribution to support these Lists? It is your SOLE Contributions
that make their continued operation and upgrade possible!
The Contribution site is Fast, Easy, and Secure. Please surf over and make your
Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow, Cool! New List Feature... [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
By popular suggestion, I've written a substantial new code module for the Matronics
Email Lists system. Here's how it works...
During each November, I send out quite a few PBS-like "Please make a Contribution
to support your List" emails. Wouldn't it be cool if, once a member made a
Contribution, they didn't have to receive my support pleas anymore for the rest
of that year?
Well, that's exactly what I've written! Following this posting, anyone that makes
a List Contribution in 2006 will no longer receive my Contribution Pleas for
the rest of the year!
The best part is this not only applies to the Realtime distribution, but also the
Digest distribution! For those that have made a Contribution, the Daily Digest
email-version will be invisibly stripped of my requests as well! (Note that
my requests will still be present in the online versions of the Digests, List
Browse, and on the Forum site.)
For those submitting their Contribution by personal Check, please be sure to include
your email address along with your Check as this is what is used to determine
eligibility.
So, in a nutshell, here's how it works:
Make a Contribution = No more "Please Make a Contribution" messages!
How sweet is that? If that's not a great reason to jump on the Matronics Email
List Contribution site and make your donation today, I don't know what is!
Don't forget that there are some totally awesome free gifts to be had along with
your List Contribution this year!! Don't wait a minute longer to support your
Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your Support!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! This is the first PBS-like
funds drive message under the new distribution system. The new system selectively
sends out the Contribution messages ONLY to those that forgot to whip
out the 'ol credit card this year to support the continued operation and upgrade
of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
Pardon me if I seem kind of excited about the new feature. I've wanted to
implement something like this for a number of years now, but it was always such
a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that I just kept
putting it off. Finally this year, I just decided to bite the bullet and put
the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam! A working
system!
Anyway, I'll stop gushing now. I really do appreciate each and every one of your
individual Contributions to support the Lists. It is your support that enables
me to upgrade the hardware and software that are required to run a List Site
like this. It also goes to pay for the Commercial-Grade Internet connection
and to pay the rather huge electric bill to keep the computer gear running
and the air conditioner powered up.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
I'm pretty sure you don't either.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution today to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Clarification On New Contribution Module Operation... |
Dear Listers,
A number of Listers emailed and indicated that, even though they had made a Contribution
this year, they still received the Contribution message yesterday.
I looked into it and I found a slight anomaly (ok, bug) in the new code specifically
as it related to Listers that had made their Contribution through PayPal
AND have a DIFFERENT email address for their PayPal account and for their Matronics
List subscription.
If your PayPal account email address is DIFFERENT than the email address you are
subscribed to the Matronics List(s) as, then my new code module couldn't tell
that you had made a Contribution, since it was using the PayPal email address
instead of the List email.
I've fixed this issue for any new PayPal Contributions, but I don't have any easy
way of resolving this for any of the previous Contribtuions. Again, this is
ONLY an issue if your PayPal and Matronics List email addresses ARE NOT the
same. Otherwise, everything works great.
If you made a PayPal Contribution before 11/09/06 AND your email addresses don't
match, please drop me an email at " info(at)matronics.com " (do not reply to this
message!) and give me your Name, and both Email Addresses and I will manually
update the records so that things will work as advertised.
Sorry for the hassle! New code; new bugs... :-)
To make a Contribution, please see: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administration
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
I added a new Wiki web site to the Matronics Email List features earlier this year. What's a Wiki, you ask? Well, here's the Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki) definition:
A wiki (IPA: [ w .ki ] or [ wi .ki ] ) is a type of Web site
that allows the visitors themselves to easily add, remove, and otherwise edit
and change some available content, sometimes without the need for registration.
This ease of interaction and operation makes a wiki an effective tool for
collaborative authoring. The term wiki also can refer to the collaborative software
itself (wiki engine) that facilitates the operation of such a Web site,
or to certain specific wiki sites, including the computer science site (an original
wiki), WikiWikiWeb, and on-line encyclopedias such as Wikipedia.
Under the Matronics Email List Moniker, there is now a very nice List-specific
Wiki available! It a place for Listers to put articles about any aviation topic
that suits them. The purpose is to provide what the mailing lists do not:
structure and persistence. The mailing lists are a fantastic resource to ask
a question and get good (and bad and funny and annoying) answers. But once the
question is asked and answered it is not in front of the List anymore. If a
new person subscribes the next day, he/she does not see that information unless
he/she goes to the trouble to search the archives, a hit or miss proposition.
The result is that the same thread of conversation gets created and/or revisited.
There are several things that happen as a result:
1. The person gets his or her question answered;
2. The information gets better as more people think about and answer the question;
3. The people who have seen the same question asked and answered get annoyed
at seeing the same things over and over and over and ...
So this is where the Wiki comes in. You know what questions you wanted answered.
You may have asked or answered the question. You know the information is useful.
So you put the information here, in the Matronics Email List Wiki!
It doesn't matter that this information is 100% complete or correct. Just writing
something creates a placeholder and makes useful information available immediately.
It has the same immediacy as the mailing list but it has persistence
and structure.
But what if the information is incomplete or incorrect? No problem! Anyone else
coming along can edit the article! If I write something and you discover something
I have left out or stated incorrectly, you can fix it right then!
So let's begin and make this the place for information about building, flying,
maintaining, and understanding our airplanes.
But what about whether something is "appropriate" or not? Don't worry. Write
it down. Let the reader determine whether or not it is appropriate. If it is,
he/she will read it. If it isn't, he/she won't. It's as simple as that.
And when you do write that article you won't have to worry about whether some editor
is going to decide whether or not to print it in a newsletter or whether
the webmaster will have time to put it up on the web page.
The last question I hear brewing out there is: if anyone can post anything, won't
this just become a mass of garbage? Surprisingly, the answer is a resounding
no. If you want proof, go visit the Wikipedia, a free-to-everyone encyclopedia
written by whoever wants to write articles. The articles there are as good
as anything I have read anywhere and anyone can add anything anytime they want
to.
So don't hesitate. Write it down. Put it here. It will never hurt anyone. The
more information we get here, the more useful it will become to other people
and the more information they will put here for YOU to use.
Here's the URL to start (there are lots more bured under this starting place):
http://www.matronics.com/wiki/index.php/Matronics:Community_Portal
But please don't forget that this Wiki and all of the other Matronics Email List
features are supported solely by YOUR Contributions!! November is List Fund
Raiser month and there are lots of Free Gifts to be had with your qualifying
Contribution. Please make a Contribution to support the continued operation and
upgrade of these great services!!! Thank you!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | WLAS [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I sat down at the 'ol computer tonight to have a look at a few of the nice comments
List Members have been including along with their Contributions this year.
I was amazed at how many I found and even more amazed at some of the very nice
things Listers have been saying about the Lists and how valuable the they
are to them.
I've included quite a few of these nice comments below. Please read over some
of this great Lister feedback. No doubt you will find that you agree with at
least one or two of those comments - maybe all of them! If you find that do,
won't you please make a Contribution to support these Lists today!! Its fast
and easy with the Matronics List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Don't forget that I've now fully implemented the new *List Fund Raiser Squelch*
feature that will automatically intercept any future iterations of my "Please
Contribute" messages -- that is, *once you've made YOUR Contribution*! How cool
is that? (Make sure the email address you enter along with your Contribution
matches exactly your subscribed List email address. An exact match is how
it works.)
Thank you for your generous Contributions this year and for all the wonderful comments!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
Absolutely the best deal on the Internet!!
-Owen B
I love The Matronics...
-Robeto B
My wife has her soaps & I've got my lists!
-Hal B
These lists are, indeed, the lifeline of our hobby.
-Bob R
The best source of information for my a/c.
-Tony C
The Zenith list is the first thing I read in the morning.
-Herbert H
You do more good than you can imagine. I wish I'd known
about you while I was building my Kitfox, but you are
still an after-the-fact resource.
-Ben B
..an excellent site.
-Ashley M
The "List" has been the ultimate help for my Zenith
CH 701 project!!
-Brian U
I appreciate the list being here for me.
-Geoff H
..a great service.
-William C
The List continues to be an interesting and useful facility.
-David M
Your list is a constant goad to keep me working on my project.
-Thomas S
..a great service.
-Robert W
The Pietenpol list is a great resource.
-Benjamin W
The Yak-list is Awesome!
-James S
..great service.
-Robert S
The features you have implemented recently have you poised
to knock out yahoo groups...
-Danny D
I like how your forum looks/works and the list service...
-Ken E
..great service.
-David P
Very useful web site.
-Wayne E
..a very valuable service.
-Chris D
Great sites...
-Randall R
I used to look at [that other] site also but it's gotten so
cluttered with advertising that I've stopped looking at it.
-Wayne E
Without your services, the build would be a grope in the dark...
-Fergus K
The information and help I've received greatly outweighs the
donation...
-Lee P
..great service!
-Christopher D
I really don't think I could be building my plane without the
wisdom I find on this list.
-William G
It really makes building a pleasure.
-James P
..great service.
-Doug W
I'm getting near the end of my build (Europa tri XS) don't
think I could have done it with out the help of the forum.
-Stanislaus S
Marvelous service. Couldn't have done it without you.
-Jim G
Love the list, this is a wonderful way to help others...
-Michael S
..good service.
-Derek L
The list is responsible for helping me complete this project
and educating me in the process.
-Jeff D
Definitely worth the donation.
-Ron L
..great service to the aviation community.
-Tony P
I have been flying my plane for 5 years (RV-6) but I still
get valuable information from this service.
-Don N
A very helpful site.
-Roland S
It's a great community to be part of.
-David L
Great sites.
-John C
A great place to find and share not only information but to
meet people across the country and make lasting relationships.
-Uncle Craig
Great facility.
-Peter H
Its a great source of information!
-Michael W
Great improvements to the List...
-Edward A
Great service!!!
-Rich D
..great resource!
-William C
..excellent lists!
-Michael S
Couldn't have built my RV4 without the list.
-Warren M
..a great service...
-James N
I would not have missed [the list] for anything during the
building of my Europa.
-Svein J
..another great year.
-Robert D
..this [is an] essential builder's resource.
-David A
..excellent service.
-Gregory B
I've learned a huge amount of "stuff" over the past year
and look forward to it every day!
-Smith M
..a great communication tool...
-Jon M
Finished building 5 years ago, but still are lurking on
your great list!
-Lothar K
..a valuable service. At 11:00 pm Matronics is the goto
place for my RV questions.
-Mike D
================= What Listers Are Saying (WLAS) ================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a
building/flying/recreating/entertainment tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at
least that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that same amount
and get a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses?
Come to think of it, you do...
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support YOUR
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Why? [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support
from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate
the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter
once a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments
stripped off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature
that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone
can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. Safe and simple.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just this year is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer
the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums
is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages
posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa.
The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and
other files. Additionally added this year is the new List Wiki that allows
members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various
aspects of their project for all to share.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 23,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 87,000 postings last year,
accounting for an unbelievable 39,000,000 (yes, that's 39 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk
a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the
Annual List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | More Great List Comments - Please Make A Contribution! |
Dear Listers,
There's a little less than one week left for this year's List Fund Raiser. I thought
it would a great time to share a few more of the great comments I've been
receiving from Contributors regarding what the Lists mean to them. There are
some particularly poignant ones in this batch and I encourage you to have a
look at some of them.
Don't forget that once you make your Contribution, the Contribution Squelch kicks
in and you won't receive any future messages from me regarding the Fund Raiser
this year! This holds true for the Realtime and Digest distributions and
now also the HTML and TXT links included with the Digest! (Note that for technical
reasons, if someone replies to one of my contribution messages, the Squelch
will _not_ be activated, and you will still receive it. Contribution messages
will also still be found on the Forums site and the List Browse).
Please make your Contribution today to support these List services! Pick up a
great Gift too!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
============================= WLAS #2 ============================
Tackling my project without the List would be like
building on a deserted island. The List has made me
part of a learning (and laughing) community. -Larry W
Thank you for providing such a fantastic resource for us
Kolbers. I'm very happy to contribute towards keeping such a
wonderful resource available. -Geoff T
..you do a great service for the flying community by
providing this service. -John L
..solidly administered. -James C
A great source of information. -Ralph S
The Lists have likely saved a numbers of lives... -James F
..exceptional user service. -Larry W
Better than a magazine! -Aaron G
Thanks to your List I will be able to finish and fly
my project. Without the help of the great people on
your List I doubt it would have happened. -Ed G
I learn something on a too regular basis thanks to
these lists! -Ralph C
..valuable service. -John F
..a well administered service. -Stewart C
Great forum! -Ronald C
A great service! -Andy H
Been reading the lists since my first RV in 1999. Good
work and as necessary to me as a rivet. -Albert G
The lists are a great help. -Gary S
This resource has been critical to my building success
so far. -Timothy F
Great system and support! -Richard P
Very helpful in the building my CH 701. -Ralph S
Another year of entertainment and pleasure! -Larry B
A great resource for all of us. -Larry W
Another year of great service! Once again, the
information is worth more than I can ever contribute.
Thank you also for the "community" that the List fosters.
I cannot tell you the number of times that seeing an
friend's name come up has caused so many awesome memories
to come flooding back - along with the eager desire to
gather with these great guys again. I love hearing the
beginner's enthusiasm, the builder's progress, and the
flyer's success... -Robert B
Our list has great info and I love reading the
"Flame Posts! " -Stephen M
Great service! -James B
Excellent source of information. -David P
You provide a very valuable service to the aviation
community. -David H
The RV related lists have been a tremendous help in the
construction of my RV-7... -Norman R
Awesome list!! -John E
Great bunch of guys and very knowledgeable! -Herbert G
Thank you for making it so easy to stay in touch
with my fellow RV-10 builders. -David J
I love the list and have been a reader for a long
time. -James V
Continues to be a great service! -George A
Awesome List server. -Deke M
Many of us would never finish our airplanes without
[the List]. With it, I'm getting close! -Ronald C
An excellent source of both information and
inspiration! -William R
Forums and format are easy to use. -Jack B
Great help with my kit building. -Ralph H
Super service. -Richard N
Still loving it. -Jared S
You have a fantastic web! -Harvey R
..a great service. -James M
Glad you are there... -David A
I get some great information on your list. -John P
Fantastic service. Couldn't have made it as far
as I have without it. -Stephen T
A great learning experience with my RV-6A. -Ron B
Great resources! -Jason H
Well done. Very valuable. -Jeffrey D
Great resource for the experimental aircraft
community. -Chris H
This List has been one of the most helpful tools in
building my RV-10, since I build alone, and do not
have any help readily available. Without the List,
I could not have embarked on building my RV-10. -Jim H
You run a great list there. -James H
Really like the Kolb List. -Don W
============================= WLAS #2 ============================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure You're Listed! |
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, the List
seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical
your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all? :-)
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by droping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that
keeps these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Who is "Matt Dralle" & What Are "The Lists"? [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for over 20 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
development and CGI design during this period.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a brand new, quad-processor Xeon Linux
server for List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to
the email processing List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a
remote storage disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard
drive-based backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage, soon to be upgraded
to over 6 Terra Bytes! This entire system is protected by three large, commercial-grade
uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that assure the Lists are
available even during a local power outage! Speaking of power, imagine how much
electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One month this Summer,
I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. This year I added another rack to house
the new MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the
first rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition
of the second rack:
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It
is supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Please make a Contribution today to support these Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Last "Official" Day Of The List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Well, its November 30th and that means three things...
1) Today I am now officially 43 years old... (arg...)
2) It marks that last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser!
3) Its the last day I will be bugging everyone for a whole year! :-)
If you use the Lists and enjoy the content and the no-advertising, no-spam, and
no-censorship way in which they're run, please make a Contribution today to support
their continued operation and upkeep. Your $20 or $30 goes a long way
to further the List operation and keep the bills paid.
I will be posting the List of Contributors next week, so make sure your name is
on it! :-)
Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution so far this year! It is greatly
appreciated.
List Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Fund Raiser - 2006 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser only underscores the great
sentiments people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please
feel free to do so. The nice List gifts will be available on the site for
just a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution and get your
great gift. Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Paul Besing of Aeroware Enterprises ( http://www.kitlog.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Paul, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2006 List of Contributors current
as of 12/7/06! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2006.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have
everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped
via US Postal Service. Kitlog Pro serial numbers should go out via email this
weekend.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| Subject: | 8:15amBiggest Asshole Of The Weekend Discussions. |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Realtime Spell Checker Added To Matronics Forums! |
Dear Listers,
Today 9/8/2007 I have added a new real-time spell checker function to all of the
BBS Forums at Matronics. When you reply or create a new message on the Forums,
you will notice that misspelled words will be high-lighted in yellow. If
you left-click on the word, you will be prompted with a drop-down list of suggested
spellings.
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matornics Email List and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month! |
Dear Listers,
You've probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows or spam
from any of the List and Forum services at Matronics. These include, for example:
The Email List Postings - http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
The Email List Forum Site - http://forums.matronics.com
The List Wiki - http://wiki.matronics.com
The List Search Engine - http://www.matronics.com/search
This is because I have always enjoyed a List experience that was completely about
the sport we enjoy - airplanes - and not about advertising!
But running a high performance, highly available service like this isn't free and
a fair amount of money in terms of computer upgrades, business-class Internet
connectivity, and electricity. Consequently, many similar sites turn to advertising
to support these costs. Advertising that you have to look at each and
every time you read an email message or browse the their web site.
Rather than subject my List community to another constant commercial bombardment,
I have chosen to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year in November to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the List services. It's solely through
the Contributions of List members that the Lists and Forums continue to be
possible!
During the month, I will be sending out a Fund Raiser reminder message every few
days and I ask for your patience and understanding during the month throughout
these regular messages. Think of them as PBS' Pledge Breaks... :-)
To minimize the impact of the Fund Raiser on the List community, I implemented
a new feature late last year specifically related to making Contributions. If
you are an Email List subscriber, once you make a Contribution using the online
web site, you will no longer receive the email from me regarding the Fund Raiser!
There are a couple of exceptions to this, however. If someone replies
to a Contribution message I've sent, you might receive that. Additionally, the
messages will always be posted to the Forums site. To a first order, however,
once you make a Contribution, you won't get my email messages about the Fund
Raiser for the rest of the month. For Contributions by check, the squelch
will take effect once the check is received.
There is a whole new line up of really great Contribution gifts this year! When
you make a qualifying Contribution, you can select one of the many free gifts
that are available during the Fund Raiser. These gifts are provided through
the generous support of a number of our industry's leading supporters including:
Bob Nuckolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com
Andy Gold - Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com
Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com
Please visit these guy's respective sites, as they have some great products to
offer and are generously supporting the Matronics List Fund Raiser.
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. From the Contribution
site, you can select any one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying
Contribution amount. The Contribution page is pretty loooonnnnng this year
in order to list great selection of great gifts available so be sure to scroll
all the way to the bottom of the web page to see everything that's available!
Please make a List Support Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous support! Your Contributions
truely keep this operation afloat!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser month. I've
got a bunch of really nice incentive gifts this year. There's really something
for everyone!
Please make a Contribution today:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Are Saying... |
November is Matronics List Fund Raiser month and a number people been sending some
really nice comments regarding the Lists. I thought I'd share a few below.
The Lists are completely supported by your Contributions. All of the bills for
new hardware, connectivity, and electricity are paid by the generous support
of the List members.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation of the List
and Forums:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
================= What Listers Are Saying ================
Flying and building is much safer with this List!!
Robert D.
Thanks for having and maintaining such a great resource to
all of us builders and flyers.
Wayne E.
Love the fact that you haven't caved to advertising!
Peter J.
..a great resource!!
Robert C.
Not building at the moment, but the Lists keeps me right
up to date with what's going on.
Chris D.
The web forum has been running great.
James O.
I enjoy this [List] site very much...
Paul C.
This is a great list!
Albert G.
..a valuable resource!
Roger C.
I am deployed to Pakistan right now, and being able
to go on-line and keep up with the aircraft discussions
helps keep the aircraft building dream alive in my mind!
Gregory C.
..fantastic service!
Roger M.
..clearly a work of passion!
Mike C.
It is a great service to us!
Kevin C.
The list is a wonderful resource...
Ralph O.
[The Lists] have been the single greatest resource in
building my RV-9A and now my RV-10.
Albert G.
..a valuable and always improving service.
Dick S.
STILL THE BEST BARGAIN AROUND!!
Owen B.
..such a valuable tool.
Jon M.
[The Lists] have been an invaluable resource for me
as a Zenith homebuilder.
David G.
The opportunity to meet (on line at least) many other
interesting builders and to make some new friends is
truly appreciated.
Albert G.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | If You Got This Email, You Haven't Made A Contribution Yet! |
:-)
Dear Listers,
If you received this particular Matronics List Email message, its because you haven't
yet made a Contribution to support your Lists! Implemented for the first
time last year, the Matronics system selectively sends out the Contribution
messages to those that forgot to whip out the 'ol credit card this year to support
the continued operation and upgrade of the Matronics Email Lists! Don't
you wish PBS worked that way? :-)
You heard that right. Once you make your Contribution, these support requests
messages during November will suddenly stop coming to your personal email inbox!
I wanted to implement something like this for a number of years, but it was
always such a daunting task to modify the back-end List processing code, that
I just kept putting it off. Finally last year, I just decided to bite the bullet
and put the code-pounding time it to make it work. A few days later, bam!
A working system!
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to
pay for the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the rather huge electric
bill to keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered
up. I run ALL of the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which
allows me to control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in
reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept exactly
ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercialism that is so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List site.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Please note the following regarding the selective posting system. There are certain
circumstances where you might still see a Contribution related message.
These situations include if someone replies to one of the messages, or when
using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
Since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way
to filter them.]
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Post Mortem - Matronics List Pummeled By Spam... |
Dear Listers,
Over a 3-day period, Thursday 11/8 though Saturday 11/10, the Matronics Lists were
pummeled with over 450,000 spam emails causing posting delays and a few duplicate
messages. Yeah, I really said nearly half a million spams! The good
news is that I don't believe a single one of them actually made it to the Lists
thanks to the aggressive List filtering code and the Barracuda spam filter.
The bad news was that it caused quite a back log of email messages starting Friday
and continuing until late Saturday when I noticed that delivery seemed a bit
sluggish. By about 11pm on Saturday night, I had managed to get the backlog
cleared out of the spam filter by temporarily adjusting some of the filtering.
A check of the queues this morning, and everything looks like its working great
and there are no incoming filtering delays and spam levels appear to be back
to "normal".
There were a number of people asking what was going on, so I thought that I'd send
out a follow up post mortem on the event...
November is the annual List Fund Raiser. Your contribution directly enables me
to buy systems like the Barracuda spam filter that keep the List free of that
garbage. Please make a contribution to support your Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List of Contributors |
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Russell Lassetter" <rblassett(at)alltel.net> |
| Subject: | Construction/Restoration |
Hello all,
I would like to offer my aircraft construction/restoration services to the
group. I have a 40' X 60' hangar in NE Georgia and have a lifetime of
experience with various aircraft. I can construct large projects for $15.00
per hour with first-class workmanship. Please email me directly or give me
a call.
Russ Lassetter
202 Aviation Blvd.
Cleveland, GA 30528
706-348-7514
rblassett(at)alltel.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least 0 or 0 worth
of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a subscription
to some lame magazine or even a dinner out. Isn't the List worth at least
that much to you? Wouldn't it be great if you could pay that amount and get
a well-managed media source free of advertising, SPAM, and viruses? Come to
think of it, you do... :-)
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great
List services!! And pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution
too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Why I Have A Fund Raiser... |
Dear Listers,
Each year I like to explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity
to express why I think the List Services here provide a superior experience
over the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running
a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from
the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run
the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying
banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell little-blue-pills or other
garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years
regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the
non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once
a year during November to encourage members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer many benefits over
the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to
be significant is that you cannot receive a computer v*rus from any of these
Lists directly. Each incoming message is filtered and dangerous attachments stripped
off prior to posting. I also provide a Photo and File Share feature that
allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can
be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before
they are posted. More recently, I have enabled limited posting of a number of
file formats including pictures and PDFs.
Another very important feature of this system in my opinion is the extensive List
Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives
go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the very
fast Search Engine, the huge size of some of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly
finding the data you're looking for.
And added just a couple of years ago is the new Email List Forum that allows members who prefer the Web BBS-style of List interaction. The beauty of the new List Forums is that they contain the exact same content that is distributed via email. Messages posted via email are cross-posted to the respective Forum and vice versa. The Forums also allow for another convenient method of sharing pictures and other files (http://forums.matronics.com ). Additionally, added recently is the List Wiki that allows members to build their own "Online List Encyclopedia" of sorts, documenting various aspects of their project for all to share ( http://wiki.matronics.com ).
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since
about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew and who where also building
RVs. It has grown into nearly 70 different aviation-related Email Lists and
an associated web site that receives over 34,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally,
the List Email system forwarded well over 77,000 postings last year, accounting
for an unbelievable 33,000,000 (yes, that's 33 MILLION) email messages
delivered to Matronics List subscribers! I think there's a lot of value in supporting
a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving
a high quality service all _without any advertising budget_!
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the
quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message,
Search the Archives, use the List Browser, or surf the Forums and Wiki sites.
The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a
while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate,
and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Are You Thankful For...? |
Dear Listers,
Here in the United States, Thursday is our National day of Thanksgiving. Many
of us will be traveling to be with our families and friends to share in generous
feasts of plenty and giving thanks for many blessings that have been bestowed
upon us.
Many Listers have expressed over the last couple of weeks how thankful they are
for the Email Lists and Forums here on the Matronics servers and for all of the
assistance and comradery they have experienced being a part of the Lists.
One of my favorite kind of comments is when write to me and says something like,
"Its the first thing I do in the morning while I'm having my morning coffee!".
That's a wonderful tribute to the purpose and function of these Lists. Its
always great to hear I'm not the only one that jumps out of bed each morning
to check my List email!!
Won't you take a minute today and show your appreciation for these Lists and for
their continued operation and upgrade?
The List Contribution Site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your kind consideration,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Below are a few more of the nice comments Listers have been making along with their
Contributions in support of the Lists this year. Please make your Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services.
Remember, there is _no advertising budget_ to keep these Lists funded. It is
solely through your generosity that they continue.
Please make a Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
------------------------------What Listers Are Saying------------------------------
The list has been invaluable in the building of my Zenith CH701.
George R
Thanks for keeping the lists a non-commercial venue for us
to gather and share knowledge.
Neal G
What a fantastic resource!
Ralph C
It's a pretty cheep troubleshooting tool with and unlimited
resource of personal knowledge.
Bruce G
A full house of Info & Ideas...
Ellery B
I really enjoy the Piet list.
Steven D
The Lists are an indispensable resource for those of us
building OBAM aircraft.
Bret S
..a great service.
Frank D
..all in all it is a great resource if you ask specific
questions.
Richard S
Your list has really helped me in my first build.
Michael W
Always a pleasure to support this great resource...
Richard W
I enjoy the lists very much, they are very beneficial.
Bob L
Great place to chat with other builders and Flyers.
Ellery B
Your lists are a great service to builders and owners!
Richard D
A real good place for someone that is starting to get
interested into flying without investing any money at
first.
Ellery B
The list has been an great help to my building process.
David B
I'm close to finishing my Zenith 601 thanks to you and
the Zenith List.
Jeff D
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published Dec |
1!
Dear Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st I post
a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists.
Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their
appreciation for the Lists.
As a number of people have pointed out in their Contribution comments, these Lists
seems at least as valuable of a building/flying/recreating tool as a typical
your magazine subscription! And how interactive is a magazine, after all?
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists
is fast and easy using your Visa, MasterCard, or Paypal account:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far during this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists running and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment
about how the Lists have helped you!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] What are "The Lists" and Who's This Matt Dralle? |
Dear Listers,
Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists? Well, I've been working in
the information technology industry for nearly 25 years primarily in computer
networking design and implementation. I have also done extensive work in web
development and CGI design during that time, along with some embedded system
development as well.
I started the Matronics Email Lists back in 1990 with about 30 fellow RV builders
from around the world. Since that time, I have added 63 other kinds of aircraft
related Lists to the line up and numerous other List related services such
as the Forums, Wiki, Archives and Search Engine just to name a few.
For flexibility and reliability, I have chosen to run all of my own servers here
locally. Other List-related systems include a 1 Gigabit, fully switched network
infrastructure, a commercial-grade Netscreen firewall, a Barracuda spam filter,
a local T1 Internet router, and a commercial-grade business T1 Internet
connection with full static addressing.
The computer servers found here include a quad-processor Xeon Linux server for
List web services, a dual-processor Xeon Linux system dedicated to the email processing
List functions, and another P4 Linux system serving as a remote storage
disk farm for the archives, databases, and for an on-line hard drive-based
backup system with 3.2 Terra Bytes of storage! This entire system is protected
by three large, commercial-grade uninterrupted power supply (UPS) systems that
assure the Lists are available even during a local power outage! Speaking
of power, imagine how much electricity it takes to run all of these systems. One
month last Summer, I had a staggering $1368 bill for electricity alone!
I recently upgraded all of the computer racking infrastructure including new power
feeds and dedicated air conditioning for the room that serves as the Computer
Center for the Matronics Email Lists. Last year I added another rack to
house the MONSTER quad-processor web system that didn't quite fit into the first
rack! Here's a composite photo of the List Computer Center before the addition
of the second rack:
http://www.matronics.com/MattDralle-ListComputerCenter.jpg
As you can see, I take running these Lists very seriously and I am dedicated to
providing an always-on, 24x7x365 experience for each and every Lister.
But building and running this system isn't cheap. As I've stated before, I don't
support any of these systems with commercial advertising on the Lists. It is
supported 100% through List member Contributions! That means you... and you...
and YOU!
To that end, I hold a List Fund Raiser each November and ask that members make
a small Contribution to support the continued operation and upgrade of this ever-expanding
system. Its solely YOUR Contributions that keeps it running!
Won't you please take a moment to make a Contribution to support these Lists!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or, by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
USA
(Please include your email address on the check!)
There are some great gifts available with qualifying Contribution levels too!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Wow! A Ton of Comments! |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting a ton of great comments from Listers along with their List Support
Contributions lately! I've shared a bunch more below. Please read over
some of them and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums.
There are just a couple more days left before the official end of this year's Fund
Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade
and operation of these services.
There are still lots of awesome gifts available, so browse the extensive selection
and pickup a nice item along with your qualifying Contribution.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
----------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -----------
In the big picture, you are most certainly saving lives.
The fact that you do it at a very good level of service,
quality, and simplicity is just icing on the cake. We
all owe you a debt of gratitude.
Bruce M
Can't go a single day without reading my lists. Even
when I am overseas.
Terry W
Best list ever. No comparison.
Johann J
I get the digest for the two lists I subscribe to each
morning -- they go great with my coffee! I can't tell
you how much I've learned from this great service...
Mark S
..great lists, best on the Net!
Robert S
It is very nice to enjoy a SPAM free list.
Ken L
You run a great list. Makes a builder feel like there's
lots of help out there for the asking, and it's
appreciated.
Steve T
The list is a very valuable resource.
Thomas S
You run a good list.
James G
Thanks for a great forum.
Jimmy Y
Thanks for a well-maintained list(s).
Michael M
Great job! Worth every penny!
Stephen T
Helps me learn and think about issues I didn't know I
didn't know.
Martin H
I find the list very useful...
Robert F
What you do provides me with daily contact with a passion
of my life, aviation.
Wendell M
..the list it is very valuable information.
Dwayne H
..a great service to homebuilders.
Andrew H
I have learned quite a lot from reading the Forums. I
have been reading at the forum pages and I like the way
it works.
Ron L
[The List] makes a builder feel like there's lots of
help out there for the asking, and it's appreciated.
Steve T
The list service many purposes, not the least of which is
motivation to join my fellow RVer in completing my project
and getting in the air.
John S
Thanks for running a great site. Its simplicity is its
greatness. Don't know how I would have been successful
without it.
Timothy F
..terrific service to experimental and general aviation.
James F
You have a well run operation. I am happy to support what
you do.
Mark S
A wonderful service to the GA community.
David M
Great list - let's keep it ad-free!
Ben C
They have been of great help, learning and friendship
for all the members Worldwide. Great job of yours, a
little idea that grew really big and wonderful.
Gary G
..a thoroughly enjoyable and informative List.
John W
A GREAT LEARNING TOOL!!
Dwayne Y
This is a very well-run list and it is a valuable resource
for the Pietenpol enthusiast.
Graham H
Thanks for running this great site - helps those of
us on the east of the pond keep in touch.
Malcolm H
Thanks for the major contribution to my continuing
education program.
Oldbob S
I'm just getting started in the building process & find
Matronics to be the most valuable site.
Scott D
Without the information and encouragement from the listers
my project would have been sitting in the corner of my shop
collecting dust long ago. Now it's almost ready for final
assemble and covering.
Edward G
Great List. No Ads, just RV-10 builders. Keep it
going.
Rick E
Wonderful source of info for building & flying...
Graham H
The Yak-list is a superb single source to get answers to
questions on the operation of these aircraft.
Craig W
This list is valuable to everyone and your hard work is
very much appreciated.
Jim S
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just Two Days Left... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. Over all,
participation has been good, but things have been pretty slow this week for some
reason. If you've been putting off making your Contribution until the last
minute, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-)
Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists
and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions
during this Fund Raiser.
Please make a Contribution today!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] - Last Official Day of List Fund Raiser! |
Dear Listers,
Its November 30th and that means a couple of things. Its my 44th birthday for
one, but I'm trying to forget about that... But, it also means that its that
last official day of the Matronics Email List Fund Raiser!
If you been drooling over one of the really sweet free gifts that are available
this year with a qualifying Contribution, then now is the time to jump on one!!
If you've been meaning to make a Contribution, but just keep putting it off, then
now is the time!
I will be posting the List of Contributors in a few days, so you'll probably want
to be known as a person that supported the Lists! Rather than the guy that,
er, ah, forgot (or whatever)... :-)
I want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so far this
year in support of our Lists. It is your generosity that keeps this operation
a float and I don't ever forget it. Hopefully everyone will feel the same.
The List Contribution page is fast and easy. Please support our habit by making
your Contribution right now:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you all in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists
this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding
the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor
of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser underscores the great sentiments
people have made regarding the Lists.
If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please
feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available on
the Contribution site for just a little while longer, so hurry and make your
Contribution and get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution
web site is:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated!
And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2007 List of Contributors current
as of 12/6/07! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people
that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough
for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser!
THANK YOU!
http://www.matronics.com/loc/2007.html
I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have
everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped
via US Postal Service.
Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Two New Lists Added to the Matronics Lineup! |
Dear Listers,
I've added two new Email Lists to the Matronics List and Forum lineup today. These
include the Rans-List and RV12-List. Please surf over to the Matronics List
Subscription page and sign up for these new Lists if they are of interest
to you:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Full support on the Forums, List Browse, Archives, etc. is available.
Rans-List:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Rans-List
RV12-List
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV12-List
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! |
Dear Listers,
I have added four new Lists to the Matronics line up today. These include the
following categories:
Citabria-List Citabria, Decathlon, Scout, and Champ
Zenith601-List Zenair Zodiac CH 601
Zenith640-List Zenair Zodiac CH 640
Zenith701801-List Zenair STOL CH 701 and CH 801
All services are enabled and now available including Search, Browse, Digest, Archives,
Forums, Chat, etc., etc. etc...:
Citabria:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?citabria-list
Zenith601:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith601-list
Zenith640:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith640-list
Zenith701801:
http://www.matronics.com/navigator?zenith701801-list
To subscribe, go to the Matronics Email List Subscription Form:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
To check the new Lists out on the Matronics Forum go here:
http://forums.matronics.com
Enjoy the new Lists!! Don't forget me during the Fund Raiser! :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
Dear Listers,
Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation
and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through soley through the
Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible.
You have probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows on any of the Matronics Lists or related web sites such as the Forums site ( http://forums.matronics.com ), Wiki site ( http://wiki.matronics.com ), or other related pages such as the List Search Engine ( http://www.matronics.com/search ), List Browse ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse ), etc. This is because I believe in a List experience that is completely about the sport we all enjoy - namely Airplanes and not about annoying advertisments.
During the month of November I will be sending out List messages every few days
reminding everyone that the Fund Raiser is underway. I ask for your patience
and understanding during the Fund Raiser and throughout these regular messages.
The Fund Raiser is only financial support mechanism I have to pay all of the
bills associated with running these lists. Your personal Contribution counts.
Once again, this year I've got a terrific line up of free gifts to go along with
the various Contribution levels. Most all of these gifts have been provided
by some of the vary members and vendors that you'll find on Matronics Lists and
have been either donated or provided at substantially discounted rates.
This year, these generous people include Bob Nuckolls of the AeroElectric Connection (http://www.aeroelectric.com/), Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore (http://www.buildersbooks.com/), and Jon Croke of HomebuiltHELP (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/).
These are extremely generous guys and I encourage you to visit their respective
web sites. Each one offers a unique and very useful aviation-related product
line. I would like publicly to thank Bob, Andy, and Jon for their generous support
of the Lists again this year!!
You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this
year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. All three methods
afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with
a qualifying Contribution amount!!
To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below:
https://www.matronics.com/contribution
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral
support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys really
do feel like family.
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contribution Site URL Clarification |
Dear Listers,
In my List Fund Raiser kickoff email last night, I mistyped the URL for the *initial*
Contribution web site and couple of people reported receiving SSL certificate
errors. The actual payment entry pages where were correct, however, so
there were no certificate issues that impacted payment data. I'm sorry for the
confusion.
Please use the following URL to start your List Contribution:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution
today to support the continued operation and upgrade of
these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying
Contribution too!
The Contribution Site is fast and easy:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | BrightLine Bags Pilot Flight Bag |
| From: | "BrightLine" <info(at)brightlinebags.com> |
Hello Everyone,
My name is Bryan Smith and I am with a company called BrightLine Bags. I do not want to offend anybody by posting on this list, so I apologize in advance if I have. I am a student pilot as well. I posted on the Commander list with the help of a Commander owner and received wonderful response from quite a few Commander owners. We make a brand new type of Pilot Flight Bag. It is like nothing you have seen or used before. If you use a flight bag, I am quite certain that if you go to our website at www.brightlinebags.com and click on the demo video http://brightlinebags.ipower.com/videopage.html, you will be impressed. Thank you everyone for this forum. If you have any questions, you can contact me directly at bryan@brightlinebags.com. Thanks again!
Bryan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212116#212116
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/brightline_pilot_flight_bag_131.jpg
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser |
A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for
the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... As soon as a List member makes
a
Contribution through the Matronics Fund Raiser web site, he or she will instantly
cease to receive these Fund Raiser messages for the rest of the month! Its
just that simple. Don't you wish PBS worked that way! :-)
I really do appreciate each and every one of your individual Contributions to support
the Lists. It is your support that enables me to upgrade the hardware
and
software that are required to run a List Site like this. It also goes to pay for
the commercial-grade Internet connection and to pay the huge electric bill
to
keep the computer gear running and the air conditioner powered on. I run all of
the Matronics Email List and Forums sites here locally which allows me to
control and monitor every aspect of the system for the utmost in reliably and performance.
Your personal Contribution matters because, when combined with other Listers such
as yourself, it pays the bills to keep this site up and running. I accept
exactly ZERO advertising dollars for the Matronics Lists sites. I can't stand
the pop-up ads and all other commercials that are so prevalent on the Internet
these days and I particularly don't want to have it on my Email List sites.
If you appreciate the ad-free, grass-roots, down-home feel of the Matronics Email
Lists, please make a Contribution to keep it that way!!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[Note that there are certain circumstances where you might still see a Contribution
related message. For example, if someone replies to one of the messages,
when using the List Browse feature, or when accessing List message via the Forum.
The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are
anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.]
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Just a quick reminder that November is the annual List Fund Raiser. The Matronics
Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are provided
for my your Contributions during this time of the year.
Your personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email
Lists and Forums completely ad-free.
Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steve Glasgow" <willfly(at)carolina.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Weight and Balance |
Being new to the list, I would like to introduce myself.
I am Steve Glasgow, nickname Cappy.
Recently I retired my RV8 and made the move to Light Sport. I am
currently enjoying flying a J-3 65 CUB.
Does anyone have any information on Weight and Balance for the J-3 65?
What is the best site for other technical data on the J-3 65?
Thanks,
Steve Glasgow-Cappy
willfly(at)carolina.rr.com
704-362-0005 Home
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| From: | John Hofmann <jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight and Balance |
Hi Cappy,
This is a pretty dead list but welcome. I'll see if I can dig up my
weight and balance. I am working on the annual now. http://www.j3-cub.com/
is a very active Cub list and don't forget to join the Cub Club. It
is of great usefulness. http://www.cubclub.org.
Where in the Carolina's are you located? There are quite a few Cub
guys in and around the Raleigh/Durham area.
TakeCare,
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2810 Crossroads Drive, Ste 3800
Madison, WI 53718
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann(at)reesgroupinc.com
On Nov 9, 2008, at 7:40 AM, Steve Glasgow wrote:
> Being new to the list, I would like to introduce myself.
>
> I am Steve Glasgow, nickname Cappy.
>
> Recently I retired my RV8 and made the move to Light Sport. I am
> currently enjoying flying a J-3 65 CUB.
>
> Does anyone have any information on Weight and Balance for the J-3 65?
>
> What is the best site for other technical data on the J-3 65?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Glasgow-Cappy
> willfly(at)carolina.rr.com
> 704-362-0005 Home
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser List of Contributors - Please Make A Contribution |
Today!
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort of
my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by dropping a personal check in the mail to:
Matt Dralle / Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Please Make A Contribution To Support Your Lists |
Dear Listers,
There is no advertising income to support the Matronics Email Lists and Forums.
The operation is supported 100% by your personal Contributions during the November
Fund Raiser.
Please make your Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade
of these services. You can pick up a really nice gift for making your Contribution
too!
You may use a Credit Card or Paypal at the Matronics Contribution Site here:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or, you can send a personal check to the following address:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
Thank you in advance for your generous support!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%... |
As of the 13th, the Fund Raiser is currently about 30% behind last year in terms
of the number of Contributions. Yet, oddly the number of messages posted per
day is up by 10 to 20% on the average. It costs real money to run these Lists
and they are supported 100% though your Contributions during the Fund Raiser.
Won't you please take a minute right now to make your Contribution to keep
these Lists up and running?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What's My Contribution Used For? |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What's my Contribution used for?" and that's a good question.
Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support enables. It provides
for the very expensive, commercial-grade T1 Internet connection used on
the List insuring maximum performance and minimal contention when accessing
List services. It pays for the regular system hardware and software upgrades
enabling the highest performance possible for services such as the Archive Search
Engine, List Browser, and Forums. It pays for 19+ years worth of online archive
data available for instant random search and access. And, it offsets the
many hours spent writing, developing, and maintaining the custom applications
that power this List Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, Forums,
Wiki and PhotoShare.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and your
peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from moderation,
censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer viruses. How many
places on the Internet can you make all those statements these days?
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many aspects of these valuable
List services. Please support it today with your List Contribution. Its
one of the best investments you can make in your Sport...
List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Members Are Saying... |
Dear Listers,
November is the Annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists are supported solely
through your generous Contributions during this time. Please make your Contribution
today and pick up a really nice free gift at this same time:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Listers have been including some really nice comments regarding what the Lists
mean to them along with their Contributions this year. I've included a few of
them below. Please read them over and see if some perhaps echo your feelings
as well.
Thank you for your support this year!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator
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Best bargain in the entire industry!!
-Owen B
Every year your lists are better, sure #1 in e-mail list in the world.
-Gary G
Thank you for an awesome site!
-Ashley M
Your lists are important to me and well worth paying for.
-Calvin A
Thank you for providing such and informative and ad free environment
to learn by.
-Myron H
As always, a valuable and extremely useful resource.
Stephen T
As always, a great service.
-Reade G
Very much appreciate this site and the communications it has
enabled between builders.
-Larry M
This service is worth every penny.
-Robert S
Great site! Thanks a ton for its functionality!
-Peter B
The RV-10 list feels like my community.
-Dave S
The lists are fantastic, a great source!
-Jimmy Y
I've learned a lot from the List.
-Gabriel F
A wonderful resource.
-Gerald G
Well done.
-Richard N
Years of good service.
-William M
Valuable service.
-Keith H
The site is quite helpful.
-Jon M
Very interesting List that I read form the beginning.
-Alain L
A well managed site.
-Carl B
Great service.
-Svein Kare J
Still the most useful program on the computer.
-Fergus K
Great contribution to my project!
-Robert K
Thanks for keeping a great list.
-Dt G
The List continues to provide excellent information.
-Tony C
This is a wonderful resource that has easily saved me a bunch on
my build-time.
-Ralph C
Thank you for providing a great service. The Zenith builder's community
would be in sad shape without the Zenith-List's.
-Terrence P
I really do get pleasure out of reading the List every day.
-Bill V
Great source of information.
-Arthur V
Thanks for a great service. Very enjoyable.
-Louis B
You know we all could not do without your support!!
-James S
Great resource!
-Douglas D
Thanks for the great service.
-John B
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...? |
Dear Listers,
The percentage of people making a Contribution to support the Lists this year is
currently lagging behind last year by approximately 21%! I'm hoping that everyone
is just waiting until the last minute to show their support... ;-)
Please remember that it is solely your direct Contributions that keep these Lists
up and running and most importantly - AD FREE! If the members don't want to
support the Lists directly, then I will likely have to start adding advertisements
to offset the costs of running the Lists. But I *really* don't want to
have to start doing that. I really like the non-commercial atmosphere here and
I think that a lot of the members appreciate that too.
Please take a moment to make a Contribution today in support of the continued ad-free
operation of all these Lists:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
I want to send out a word of appreciation to all of the members that have already
made their generous Contribution to support the Lists! Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Each year at the end of the List Fund Raiser, I post a message acknowledging everyone
that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its sort
of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation
for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of Contributors
(LOC)? As a number of members have pointed out over the years, the List seems
at least - if not a whole lot more - valuable as a building/flying/recreating/entertainment
tool as your typical magazine subscription!
Please take minute and assure that your name is on this year's LOC! Show others
that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to support the Lists is
fast and easy using your Credit card or Paypal on the Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution thus
far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support that keeps
these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a little comment about
how the Lists have helped you!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Value of the List... |
If you look forward to checking your List email everyday (and a lot of you have
written to say that you do!), then you're probably getting at least $20 or $30
worth of Entertainment from the Lists each year. You'd pay twice that for a
subscription to some lame magazine or even just a single dinner out. Isn't the
List worth at least that much to you?
Won't you please take a minute to make your Contribution today and support the
Lists?
Contribution Page:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Again, I want to say THANK YOU to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far
during this year's List Fund Raiser!! These Lists are made possible exclusively
through YOUR generosity!!
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just A Few More Days... |
Dear Listers,
There are just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser. There are
some great gifts available when you make a qualifying Contribution and there's
plenty still available. Don't forget that its *your* Contribution that keeps
the computers running, the electricity turned on, and the computer room AC cooling!
If you look forward to reading your List email each day, won't you please take
a minute right now to make your personal Contribution?
Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Personal Check:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Just 3 Days Left - Please Make Your List Contribution Today! |
There are only three days left until the end of this year's List Fund Raiser.
Please take a minute to show your support as so many others have this year and
make sure YOUR name is on the forthcoming List of Contributors 2008!
Its quick and easy using the secure web site with a credit card or PayPal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by sending your personal check to:
Matronics Lists c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
(Please write your email address on the check!)
Thank you in advance for your support of these List services!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email and Forum Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Have Been Saying |
Wow! Many of the members making a List Support Contribution this year have been
using the Comments field to leave a personal message about the Lists. Thank
you! I have included a number of them below. Please read over a few and see
if you perhaps can echo some of the same sentiments regarding the value of the
Lists to you...
There is only a couple more days left for this year's List Fund Raiser and we're
still way behind previous years. If you've been waiting until the last minute
to show your support, Now is the Time! Please make your Contribution and pick
up a great gift at the same time!
By Credit Card or Paypal:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or By Personal Check:
Matronics / Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550-7227
Thank you in advance!!
Matt Dralle
Email List and Forums Administrator
Here is some of the great feedback members have been including along with their
personal Contributions this year...
Over the years, the info I have received from the RV-List has
saved me thousands of dollars, and dozens of hours of time by
helping me avoid bad purchases, pointing me at vendors with
low prices and excellent support, and providing solutions to
the typical head scratchers that you run into.
Kevin H
Valuable service. Best List(s) on the Internet!
George A
Please accept this token not as an indicator of what
this list has been worth to me this past year.
Lew G
Great information and entertainment.
Tim V
Thanks again for another great year of service. This
project would be beyond me if it were not for the list.
Moreover, the friendships I have found are worth their
weight in GOLD!
Robert B
Great support you provide to all the subscribers!
Freddie H
Read it every day.
PF B
July 05, 2002 - November 30, 2008
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