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June 25, 1996 - August 31, 1996
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| From: | erich_trombley(at)prodigy.com ( ERICH D TROMBLEY) |
| Subject: | Air Tools Useful? |
Chuck, I don't have any experience with inline sanders, though I will
need to start thinking about something as I am fast approaching this
stage of construction. As far as an air saw goes, I would save your
money and purchase a Dremel. This works great on access panel and
the like. Dental rotary bits work quite well. Dremel carries a
wide range of cutting tools. Hope this helps.
Erich Trombley A-28 Las Vegas, NV
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| From: | henk(at)mail.m4.nl (Henk Roelofs) |
To all Europa Mailing List subscribers,
For anyone who is interested, I have put some Web pages online with
pictures of us building the Europa kit #264. The URL is:
http://www.m4.nl/europa/
Please allow me to introduce myself briefly.
I (Henk) am helping Bart in building kit #264. We both started flying
some 15 years ago and made a lot of beautiful trips together. My favourite
aeroplane was a Piper PA28 Turbo Arrow and Bart's favourite was a Cessna 172.
But that all has changed since Pete Clarke (what a pity he is not here
anymore) took us up for a display in the Europa.
We bought the kit in January of this year and started building in February.
Currently we are working on the fuselage and I must say we enjoy the building
very much. Because we have found a very useful source of information in this
list I thought it would be nice to do something in return and put some
pictures online.
I hope you like them and apologise for any misspelled words since
English is not my native tongue as you probably have noticed.
Best wishes and happy building.
Henk
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| From: | DuncanMcFadyean <101234.3202(at)compuserve.com> |
Does anyone have any smart solutions for (at least partially) sealing the
annulus between the firewall and the rudder pedals?
For example, felt seals attached to the firewall plus some form of wear
resistance on the pedal shafts.
Share those good ideas!!
Rgds. Duncan McFadyean
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| From: | Ken Hunter <krhunter(at)pcug.org.au> |
| Subject: | Re: New Web page |
Henk Roelofs wrote:
>
> To all Europa Mailing List subscribers,
>
> For anyone who is interested, I have put some Web pages online with
> pictures of us building the Europa kit #264. The URL is:
>
http://www.m4.nl/europa/
>
> Please allow me to introduce myself briefly.
> I (Henk) am helping Bart in building kit #264. We both started flying
> some 15 years ago and made a lot of beautiful trips together. My favourite
> aeroplane was a Piper PA28 Turbo Arrow and Bart's favourite was a Cessna 172.
> But that all has changed since Pete Clarke (what a pity he is not here
> anymore) took us up for a display in the Europa.
>
> We bought the kit in January of this year and started building in February.
> Currently we are working on the fuselage and I must say we enjoy the building
> very much. Because we have found a very useful source of information in this
> list I thought it would be nice to do something in return and put some
> pictures online.
>
> I hope you like them and apologise for any misspelled words since
> English is not my native tongue as you probably have noticed.
>
> Best wishes and happy building.
> Henk
>
What a great web site for those of us who are still toying with the idea
of building a Europa.
Keep up the effort, and thank you Henk.
Ken Hunter
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| From: | dbosomworth(at)meto.gov.uk |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedals |
Hello Duncan,
you wrote:
>Does anyone have any smart solutions for (at least partially) sealing the
>annulus between the firewall and the rudder pedals?
>For example, felt seals attached to the firewall plus some form of wear
>resistance on the pedal shafts.
>Share those good ideas!!
>Rgds. Duncan McFadyean
One solution i have seen is to get a thin sheet of 'tufnol', about
1/16 to 1/8 inch, cut out a rectangle to cover the hole by about 1 cm
all round. Measure and cut out 2 holes for the rudder pedal tubes,
allowing a slight clearance, and then with a thin blade cut
horizontally through the tufnol from one side almost but not quite to
the other side.
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| ---| |---| |---------| <<| From: | dbosomworth(at)meto.gov.uk |
| Subject: | Re: Wiring around the fuel tank |
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 20:42 +0000 (GMT)
From: dbosomworth%ukmo-tclan(at)ccmail.meto.gov.uk
Subject: Re: Wiring around the fuel tank
John wrote,
>What is the collective wisdom for positioning the headphone jacks?
>I am getting to the stage (in a couple of months or so...) where the
>cockpit module will be bonded in. Are there any electrics that are
>infinitely easier to install before this step?
>One day I'll actually see a finished Europa in the flesh....
>John Bampfylde, #130
Why not consider installing the headphone jacks directly into the
instrument panel? Bottom left and bottom right, just under the
map/drinks shelf. There is room, thats where mine are. Those of you
who have flown Piper Cherokees will be used to this. You could put a
bit of velcro on the cockpit wall to hold the wires if required, but
mainly it tidies up the cable runs: Less chance of interference, less
wire to carry around and no need for connectors. How many times might
you/your passenger knock the plugs out when reaching round the back
for something?
chus, dave
kit67
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| From: | RonSwinden(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedals |
In a message dated 26/06/96 12:22:10, you write:
>Does anyone have any smart solutions for (at least partially) sealing the
>annulus between the firewall and the rudder pedals?
>
>
My answer was to cut two pieces of the chunk of firewall that we cut from the
front of the tunnel drill two holes thru it on the correct centres saw each
one in two with a junior saw and then fasten them to the engine side face of
the firewall. The material is very easy to work so they do not take long to
make and with a bit of care they fit about as close as you could get I
think.Ron S No 33
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Headset connections |
Don't know what the collective wisdom is , but I have fitted a detachable
overhead panel with a cut-out for a Flight-com intercom. This means that
the headset cords go straight up and can't get entangled with anything.
The wiring comes from a plug in the bottom of the instrument module and
routes throught the conduit along the cabin wall,and leaves it to go and
up round the windscreen curve out of sight.
This overhead panel also has a hinge-down bracket for an ICOM 22, which
serves as a back-up com set and VOR. The aerial lead carries on aft to
the inside top of the fuselage.
gemin 83.
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Final report on ski sanding. |
When I wrote about this method (11.2.96) it had only been tested on the
tail surfaces where the area accessible to the ski sander was small.
Using the device on the wings needed only a few hours to reduce them to
"local defects only" state. Local defects (depressions which cannot be
sanded out due to nearby thin areas) are left by inadequate thickness of
fill and poor spreading. Most are on the first side which used 0.4
fishing line. 1mm was used for the rest, and having seen how quickly the
sander can remove material, I would go even thicker in future to reduce
the total time.
There are two recommendations gained from this experience. One is to
resist the temptation to speed things up further by pressing on the top.
It is already more than ten times faster than hand sanding and you will
only raise the probability of going to far. If fact you need to use only
one hand and wave the thing across the surface like a hover mower. The
second is not to go too far down towards the leading edge. The local
contact pressure and therefore removal rate goes up extremely rapidly and
you risk getting flats before you have time to see them. (Materials
Ampreg 20, 410 microfiller with 20% fused silica. For sander see
SANDSKI.ZIP in the FTP).
gemin No.83
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| From: | Peter Davis <101621.3070(at)compuserve.com> |
Page 10-84 (of my manual) states "to check that there is no forward or aft sweep
(of the wings), stretch a string across from wing tip to wing tip, lining it up
with the rear edge of the port spar and the forward edge of the starboard spar
(remember the spars are off set) and sight along it."
Consider a tiangle, which is what we all have if we string a line from wing tip
to wing tip due to the dihedral. When sighting along the hypotenuse (string
line) it is always possible to ensure that the other sides of the triangle line
up with the string, whether we are sighting vertically or not.
If in doubt, pick up a set-square and try it.
If we follow the factory's method without refinement we could end up with the
wings angled forward or back, which would be contrary to their expectations, or
intentions
When this penny dropped with me, I decided to tie small plumb-bobs to the string
above the port and starboard wing root which helped me to sight vertically, and
I could also sight down the plumb-bobs to make doubly sure.
This ensures that the wings are in line. However, there is still the possibility
that they could be Starboard forward, Port back, or whatever, and the only way
I
could try to ensure against this was to measure from a screw fixed to the centre
of the fin stub on the top of the fuselage lid to the wing tips to get the same
distance.
Of course, it doesn't always work out, but at least you should know what your
wings may be doing! Remember that due to build difference the distance from the
fuselage to your wing tips may differ, Port to Starboard, so measure this and
make a mark before taking the distance from the fin. Also, try measuring from
the centre line of the fuselage, or is this too demanding?
Whilst mentioning the centre line, has anyone else noticed that the starboard
side of the fuselage bulges slightly more than the port side at the point of the
rear cockpit module bulkhead?
My wife tells me that I measure too much - I'm not sure how to take that!
Happy brain-teasers,
Peter.
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| From: | "John A. Simkiss III" <jas3(at)netreach.net> |
| Subject: | Re: New Web page |
>To all Europa Mailing List subscribers,
>
>For anyone who is interested, I have put some Web pages online with
>pictures of us building the Europa kit #264. The URL is:
>
>http://www.m4.nl/europa/
Henk & Bart:
Very nice site. Suggest all visit !!
jas3
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
Europa are hoping to be able to put on a display of formation flying at
Cranfield. Clive Davidson will fly Go DTI as lead, (that's the easy bit) Martin
Stoner and Jon Tye will do the hard bit and remain clamped to his wingtips (or
tail, as the case may be). Clive is Europa's new marketing sales and demo
person. You might have read his article in June "Pilot" flight testing the
Italian Sky Arrow. Martin has just retired from the RAF as head of the Central
Flying School among other things, which included a spell as leader of the Red
Arrows. Jon flew Vulcans, Jet Provosts etc and of course Rhodedendrons.
Yours truly got lucky again. GK Whip was the nearest accessible Europa flying to
form the third ship so I got to fly with Martin on a practice session this
evening. It is always amazing to witness how an aeroplane seems to relax and
enjoy itself when a master pilot has control. No fighting the controls or wild
movements even with two other planes less than ten feet away. Velvet gloves.
We now have the production bounce attenuator fitted. I still managed one
multiple landing tomight. My problem is judging the height at roundout. When I
flare the Long EZ for landing I'm ten feet QFE. In the Europa it's more like
three feet and I can't see over the engine. Must be my age, I may soon need
Gemin's white stick!
Graham
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| From: | ians(at)avnet.co.uk (Ian Seager) |
| Subject: | Re: New Web page |
>To all Europa Mailing List subscribers,
>
>For anyone who is interested, I have put some Web pages online with
>pictures of us building the Europa kit #264. The URL is:
>
>http://www.m4.nl/europa/
>
I'll take a look. For anyone who is interested (And who hasn't seen it yet)
you can see a picture or two of the Flyer Europa under construction, follow
the link from
http://www.avnet.co.uk/flyer/flyhome.html
I'll also be adding links to other builders sites on this page, so if you
have one that you would like a link to, let me know
Ian
Ian Seager FLYER Magazine, 3 Kingsmead Square, Bath, BA1 2AB
Tel: 01225 481440 Fax: 01225 481262
http://www.avnet.co.uk/flyer/flyhome.html
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| From: | "Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz>" <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Cranfield Rally |
. Martin has just retired from the RAF as head of the Central
> Flying School among other things, which included a spell as leader of the Red
> Arrows.
Are they going to repaint ODTI red?
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| From: | RonSwinden(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Are Air Tools Useful? |
In a message dated 25/06/96 16:00:52, you write:
> I would save your
>money and purchase a Dremel.
Count me in on that.
Magic bit of kit is a Dremel. If you put a permagrit cutter (steel blade with
tbits of tungsten carbide brazed round the rim) in it it really is very good
indeed. The only problem being that in the States you can buy a Dremel most
anyplace for thirty odd bucks, in UK the only one I have seen for sale was
priced at #84. Ron S No 33.
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| From: | RonSwinden(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 27/06/96 23:25:44, you write:
>Page 10-84 (of my manual) states "to check that there is no forward or aft
>sweep
>(of the wings), stretch a string across from wing tip to wing tip, lining it
>up
>with the rear edge of the port spar and the forward edge of the starboard
>spar
>(remember the spars are off set) and sight along it."
Me too also Pete I was worse off as my wings were filled so I could not
easily see the line of the spar. In fact I don't think the wings could sweep
very far forewards unless you bent the spars The thing to avoid is allowing
them to sweep back so that the aileron controls would foul up. I too used the
tail stub as a reference point and cross checked with the elevator tube.
>Whilst mentioning the centre line, has anyone else noticed that the
starboard
>side of the fuselage bulges slightly more than the port side at the point of
the
>rear cockpit module bulkhead?
I think all the fus's that I have worked on or looked at closely have been
the same.
See y'll @ Cranfield or most of you or as many as can make it. Hope there is
a tresurer and a social secretary coming We have a volunteer for editor
Hurrah One down two to go. Ron S No 33.
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| From: | "Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz>" <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Final report on ski sanding. |
> When I wrote about this method (11.2.96) it had only been tested on the
> tail surfaces where the area accessible to the ski sander was small.
I presume that you call this a sand ski because of the piles of white
stuff left on the floor that you can almost ski on :-)
I am encouraged by your report. Anything that will take the elbow
work out of sanding has to be good.
How much danger is ther of accidentally going too deep and cutting
into the glass with your method?
Is there anyway that you can think of to add a vaccum attachment to
reduce the dust nuisance?
Tony
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| From: | stirling(at)ayla.avnet.co.uk (Chas Stirling) |
| Subject: | tningStrikesTwice |
How well I remember Graham Singletons account of "being in the right
place at the right time" on a visit to Kemble and getting to fly
G NDOL. I was green with envy but at least it provided an insight
into the Subaru powerplant in the earlier stages of its development
in the Europa.
On 27/6 I visited Kemble and having talked to David Dufton recently
on the phone it was good to see G OURO in the flesh in its completed
form.This plane looks a million dollars (check it out at Cranfield)
and I had already heard that it flies even better than it looks!
G OURO has the NSI 81 100hp Subaru engine, now lowered and moved
back to improve c.g. - with the redesigned cowlings that look stunning.
Complete with "bounce moderator" and extended outriggers to improve
ground handling, this for me is the difinitive Europa.
Well anyway-before i had the chance to put my tongue back in my
mouth, I was offered the opportunity to sample the airbourne delights
of this beautiful aircraft.Melvin Cross conducting the test flying
programe needed a hand to monitor some performance figures having
just altered prop pitch - what could I say? No matter what doubts or
uncertainties you may have had in choosing Europa and whatever
frustrations,bankruptcies and divorces you've been through in the
process-I can tell you for sure, you made the right decision and
it was worth it!!!
Cruise 130 K no problem - climb 980 fpm at mauw superb, impeccable
handling and responsiveness combined with amazing stability that is
not normally associated with small light kitplanes.I have read and
heard so much about Europa but it pales into insignificance when
you're flying one I promise.
Melvin Cross at ADL is still in the process of optimising prop
pitch and engine gearing and so final performance figures are
unavailable but there going to be very good and if you want your
cake and eat it, there is a variable pitch on the way.
David was I believe the first "punter" to select the NSI unit and
he always said that he had no doubt that this was the best option
available even though it kept G OURO grounded for months waiting
for PFA approval. I admire his conviction and congratulate him on
building a Europa of outstanding quality and like they say
"imitation is the sincerest form of flattery", yes I ordered
the NSI 81, almost no hesitation!
chas stirling (25)
ps hi Neil thanks for your help
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Ski sanding. |
<>
If it were nearer 1st April I would advertise is "only used once".
Yes, this is a major problem - EVERTHING gets covered, from floor to
ceiling and even the tools in the draws ! I see no way to get it clean
enough for painting ever again.
<>
The sander has a bag (which was always falling off) but it seems only to
collect a proportion of the stuff. You can use the outlet for a vaccum
extraction hose which improves things. This same vaccum cleaner supplies
air to my helmet from its other end. Make sure there's a filter in place !
<>
Have never damaged the skin - you can hear what is going on from the
pitch of the engine note. Quite noticeable when you are no longer cutting
the filler. Best to shim sander mounting to set the belt exactly in the
ski plane with the device upside down. Then when you turn it over the
weight of the sander (and the carpet on the ski surfaces) will generate
light contact depending on how thick a top plate you have used. AMB you
should be wary of pressing on (in every sense), especially down the
leading edge slope. With great trepidation I removed one ski to get "up
the slope" cause by the overlaps towards the fairings. This is a
difficult area where the curvature changes in two dimensions and no
single scraper will apply a constant thickness coating (in fact it's a
mess). At least on the top surfaces one will be putting the non-skid mat
over it, so you don't have to try too hard there.
Total time to finish wing surfaces 15 hours, most on tips, leading edges
and local defects on the 1/4 wing where too thin a coating was applied.
(The angling shops wonder where your fishing when you ask for 200lb
breaking strength !) Now for the spraying - pause while I build a the
third garage.
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | direct pitot path. |
Since the change from tail to wing mounted pitot, the manual suggests
attaching the tube to the aileron push rod. I don't know anyone who has
done this, as the both the flexing of the tube at both ends and the
assymmetric load on the stick seem undesirable. Others have routed
smaller diameter tubing aft to the flap closeout but this involves two
quite sharp turns.
The simple direct route can be used by tensioning the tube at both ends
in p-clips or blocks. Though it can be seen to be well clear of the
aileron tube (even when inverted) , the factory would not accept even
occasional contact which might happen during pitching manoevres. So how
do you provide periodic attachment down the tunnel ?. Coating with goo
before insertion is fraught and prevents replacement. Head scratching
produced the following. Even with filler on it is easy to determine the
line of the tube accurately enough to drill small holes at the required
periodicity in the undersurface to enter the tunnel. Fold a nylon cord
and poke the doubled end through the hole in the undersurface. From the
root end
fish out the loop with a hook on the end of rod long enough to reach
(watching the ends to make sure they don't disappear through the hole!).
Thread the pitot tube through the loop and pull back all the slack until
the pipe is tightend against the wall. Fill the hole round the cords with
Redux or epoxy. Cut off loose ends and sand smooth.
gemin
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| From: | rowil(at)gn.apc.org (Rowland & Wilma Carson) |
Just had a call from William Hicklin of Channel 4. He was put onto me by
the PFA, and is looking for people to interview about low-cost flying. He
plans to be at Cranfield, but wants to talk in advance to some of the
people who will be there with flying aeroplanes. If you are prepared to be
interviewed, please reply by private e-mail or give me a ring. I'm going to
be back in touch with him tomorrow (Tuesday) am.
cheers
Rowland
... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| From: | "Rafael A. O. Gobesso" <gobesso(at)linkway.linkway.com.br> |
| Subject: | E OF PISTON / RING ROTAX |
REF. PRICE OF PISTON / RING ROTAX
I WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE PRICE OF PISTON AND RING
TO
MOTORS ROTAX.
- MODEL 377 (ULTRALEVE).
MEASURE: LARGER THAN 61.93 (STD)
gobesso(at)linkway.com.br
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| From: | "Rafael A. O. Gobesso" <gobesso(at)linkway.linkway.com.br> |
| Subject: | e of piston / ring Rotax |
REF. PRICE OF PISTON / RING ROTAX
I WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE PRICE OF PISTON AND RING
TO
MOTORS ROTAX.
- MODEL 377 (ULTRALEVE).
MEASURE: LARGER THAN 61.93 (STD)
Rafael Gobesso
Rua Capito Maneco, 300 - centro
13630-000 - Pirassununga / SP
Brazil
Phone / Fax: +55 019 561 3713
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| From: | dmc(at)argonet.co.uk (Mr D M Cope) |
Hello all
Just a note to introduce myself. I'm not a home builder (yet). I hope to
start construction of my own aircraft soon, but have not yet finalised on a
type, although at the moment the Europa looks favourite. I hope that this
mailing list will give me information which will help me to decide.
I'm currently very early in the planning stage! At the moment I'm assembling
a new workshop in which to embark on the undertaking.
Any comments or advice to a low hours ppl (tricycle gear only), who hopes to
become a first time builder soon, would be welcome. Private e-mail is OK
if this is boring or old hat for those of you experienced builders or
flyers :-)
I hope to be at Cranfield on Saturday, and may be able pick some of your
brains there!
Regrds to all
Dave Cope
--
dmc(at)argonet.co.uk - D M Cope - Leicester, central UK
www at http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/dmc/index.html
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
So we now have to secure the carbs. with parts (not supplied) which can
"only be installed by an engine producer, distributor or agent ! (its
only a bolt and spring ) Bet there isn't one in Scotland and anyway I
thought we were building this aeroplane from a kit ! And resiting the
fuel lines to avoid vapour lock is going to need replacement lengths of
fuel line. Surely this should be supplied (:-(((
gemin
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| From: | Steven A Eberhart <newtech(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Latest Rotax mods. |
On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Graham Clarke wrote:
> So we now have to secure the carbs. with parts (not supplied) which can
> "only be installed by an engine producer, distributor or agent ! (its
> only a bolt and spring ) Bet there isn't one in Scotland and anyway I
> thought we were building this aeroplane from a kit ! And resiting the
> fuel lines to avoid vapour lock is going to need replacement lengths of
> fuel line. Surely this should be supplied (:-(((
>
> gemin
The true measure of a kit producer isn't known until the first planes
start flying. I expect a number of oversights, modifications, etc. to
need to be made simply because the typical kit producer can't forsee all
of the potential problems. There are an awful lot of us that are waiting
for the first wave of customer built planes to fly to see how the factory
handles all of the oversights, modifications, etc. that are inevitable in
a new design.
Still a wannabe but getting closer to ordering the tail kit.
Steve
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Latest Rotax mods. |
>>Still a wannabe but getting closer to ordering the tail kit.<<
Climb aboard. It's still the best in it's field. No other grass field airplane
has this kind of performance and utility.
Graham
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| From: | dngore(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (David Gore) |
| Subject: | Re: price of piston / ring Rotax |
I have only have the price listed for the 447 piston rings are about
25 (uk pounds)
you could ring Cyclone Hovercraft on UK +44 1926 612188 or fax them
requesting price on +44 1926 613781
David Gore - UK, Sussex
Dngore(at)CIX.Compulink.co.uk
100013.516(at)Compuserve.com
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | tric Europa flies ! |
Fuel type - 25 amp.hr
Engine lubricated with glycol
and even the battery topped up with motor oil !!!
Aero developments indeed (see latest catalogue)
gemin
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| From: | Steven A Eberhart <newtech(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Electric Europa flies ! |
On Thu, 4 Jul 1996, Graham Clarke wrote:
> Fuel type - 25 amp.hr
> Engine lubricated with glycol
> and even the battery topped up with motor oil !!!
>
> Aero developments indeed (see latest catalogue)
>
> gemin
>
Now I admit that it is early in the AM right now and the mind isn't at
its peak but am I the only one that is having trouble visulizing what
this post is describing. Kind of puts you in mind of a Europa 3 feet off
the ground inverted and loaded to 9 g's. Without a little more
information my mind has this image that I don't think has any resemblance
to reality.
Can we get a little more information Graham?
Steve
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| From: | jbamfyld(at)netlink.co.nz (John Bampfylde) |
| Subject: | Re: Cheltenham video recording |
>I saw a number of postings asking where to buy the video tape of the last
>seminar & for how much. I can't find any public replies. I also have
>several Europa Club members who are not online asking for information about
>the tape.
>
>Can anyone put me in contact with the guy who made the tape or whoever's
>handling the sales?
>
>cheers
>
>Rowland
>>
What ever happened to the video? Does it exist? Many of us have cash
burning a hole in the back pocket waiting for it!
Mid winter in NZ, pouring rain and blowing a gale, and with immaculate
timing I have got to the stage where I link up the wings and cockpit module.
Since I do not have a 9m garage and one wing(tip) is going to have a night
outside while the redux hardens. I wonder if there are some other little
jobs to do......
John Bampfylde, #130
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| From: | rowil(at)gn.apc.org (Rowland & Wilma Carson) |
| Subject: | Re: Cheltenham video recording |
John Bampfylde wrote
>What ever happened to the video? Does it exist? Many of us have cash
>burning a hole in the back pocket waiting for it!
I spoke tonight with David Eaves , who advertised
his plan to make a Europa build video in Europa Flyer #7, and has about 6
hours of that in the can waiting for editing. He also taped 7+ hours of the
Cheltenham seminar and that, too, needs some trimming. As he's not a
builder himself, he's relying on Nigel Graham #147 to help him determine
what needs to be left in and what chopped out. Obviously Nigel likes to
spend _some_ time on aeroplane manufacture, and I wonder if anyone else
might have some time to help guide the editing process so that something
can be published soon. Any builders in the Wantage, Oxfordshire, area want
to volunteer for that?
Should the seminar be edited down to fit on a 3-hour tape, or should he
just trim it a bit to 6 hours and put it out on 2 separate tapes? (And I
guess the same question goes for the stuff on the building of #147.)
When it comes to distributing the tapes, David will need to know if you can
use the UK PAL format the tapes are made in, or if you need standards
conversion which will approximately double the price (UK price per tape
would be about #16 + p&p [= s&h, for US readers :-) ]). It would probably
help him decide what to do if anyone interested in a copy of any tape gets
in touch with him direct. I have his address and phone number which I will
pass in private e-mail to anyone who needs it (eg if you can't raise him on
the above e-mail address). I'll also pass this info on to all those members
not on-line who've expressed an interest.
See you all (well, some of you, anyway!) at Cranfield Saturday.
cheers
Rowland
... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| From: | jbamfyld(at)netlink.co.nz (John Bampfylde) |
| Subject: | Re: Cheltenham video recording |
>>What ever happened to the video? Does it exist?
>Rowland wrote-
>I spoke tonight with David Eaves , who advertised
>his plan to make a Europa build video in Europa Flyer #7, and has about 6
>hours of that in the can waiting for editing. He also taped 7+ hours of the
>Cheltenham seminar and that, too, needs some trimming.
>
>Should the seminar be edited down to fit on a 3-hour tape, or should he
>just trim it a bit to 6 hours and put it out on 2 separate tapes? (And I
>guess the same question goes for the stuff on the building of #147.)
Hard to judge- but the more information the merrier from my perspective (a
narrow, far away perspective, that is)
>When it comes to distributing the tapes, David will need to know if you can
>use the UK PAL format the tapes are made in, or if you need standards
>conversion which will approximately double the price (UK price per tape
>would be about #16 + p&p [= s&h, for US readers :-) ]).
My tape of Top Gun still works from when I emigrated, so UK standard is
fine. I'll get in touch direct to give him an idea of interest in this product.
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| From: | Ken Hunter <krhunter(at)pcug.org.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Cheltenham video recording |
Rowland & Wilma Carson wrote:
>
> John Bampfylde wrote
>
> >What ever happened to the video? Does it exist? Many of us have cash
> >burning a hole in the back pocket waiting for it!
>
I'm interested - at almost any price. PAL format is ideal for me.
Regards
Ken Hunter
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| From: | Peter Thomas <100335.3566(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | tion Subaru Mailing List |
I just noticed this on rec.aviation.homebuilt. Should be of interest to all the
Aero Developments fans !
SNIP >>>>>
FROM Kevin Hester....
I'd like to announce the creation of the "airsoob" mailing list. The purpose
of this list is to provide a high quality discussion forum for those
interested in aviation use of the Subaru engine. This list is primarily for
the discussion of the detailed tricks people are using - not for heated "my
engine is better than your engine" sorta' stuff. We already have a good gang
of Soob fliers on the list. Come join them!
To subscribe:
Send an email to "airsoob-request(at)interstice.com". This email should contain
a single line which reads:
subscribe
When you subscribe you will automatically receive a welcome message with some
background info. To send a message to the readership, send your message to
"airsoob(at)interstice.com". Messages will be collected into an archive and
forwarded to all readers.
There is no charge for this mailing list, and I have no commercial interest in
Subaru conversions. I just want to provide the same high quality interaction
I see on the Dragonfly mailing list. Let's all learn from each other.
Kevin
--------------------------------------------
S. Kevin Hester kevinh(at)3do.com
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| From: | bjorn davies <davbjorn(at)netlink.com.au> |
HI MY NAME' S BJORN-
I HAVE GOT AN UP- COMMING JOB, WHERE I HAVE TO INSTALL OR FIT OUT A WHOLE
NEW RADIO SHACK, IF YOU CAULD PLEASE SEND ME SOME INFORMATION OR A
CATALOG OF YOUR EQUIPMENT, I WOULD BE VERY THANKFUL AND MIGHT BE DOING
BUSSINESS VERY SOON!
THANK YOU
BJORN!
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| From: | Peter Davis <101621.3070(at)compuserve.com> |
Apropos absolutely nothing at all to do with Europa building, I thought that
those, like myself, who do not have enough room for a landing strip in their
back garden might be amused by the following I read in an old book on building
which covered house design for the individual client.
The book was undated but judging from the illustrations must be from around the
1870-90s.
"When setting out the garden it is essential to allow at least one acre for
trees"
Eat your heart out! I was born 130 years too late! - but then again, we have
aeroplanes now.
Happy dreams,
Regards,
Peter
P.S. Congrats. to the Europa committee and many thanks for all the hard work
put in, and many thanks to those standing down for their past work.
What does anyone feel about the changed Rally emphasis, in that the air show is
now on Saturday. I was there for the three days and felt that, as usual, Friday
was quiet, but Saturday was stupid (with the overflow car park filled by
10.00am) and Sunday was without any focus and was really only a leaving day.
Last year showed that maybe Sunday afternoon was not the best time to close the
airfield for the show, but something is required to maintain the momentum to
justify it being a three day event.
It could be that I only feel this as it was on Sunday that the 'crew' came
along, and I was looking at it being a family day, as in the past.
As the Europa Club is a recognized 'squadron' I think, a collective view may be
of some interest to the organizing committee, especially as Peter Kember is on
the 'Board' (congratulations Peter) and Ron gets his word heard. If there is any
collective opinion, that is. These things can only get kicked off if someone
asks the question in the first place.
Regards, Peter again (surprisingly)
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Winter rigging. |
John Bamfylde wrote..
<>
Probably too late now John but you don't have to leave it outside. I did
mine in the dead of winter too. Just fixed the pin sockets with a fillet
of rapid hardening Isopon 40 round the bottom and sides only. Then
derigged and withdrew into the garage, turned up the heating and poured
the Redux in the back (making sure to protect the holes).
While on the subject of rigging, as there have been problems with
loosening tail bushes, a frequently derigged aeroplane might also suffer
in a way that one kept rigged in a hangar (the prototypes ?) would not.
Suggest we all keep logs of rigging just in case something appears eh?
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Electric Europa flies ! |
It was a straight quote from Aero Developments brochure on the Subaru-
(it may not have been sent to all builders). Probably the result of
spreadsheet misplacement, but I thought it should raise a smile while you
all sand away. Will no doubt make Melvin cross !
gemin
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| From: | LYNJOHN22(at)aol.com |
OK people I,m in!
Lakeland has my deposit and I,m US builder #46. Rowland, please change my
status from "not yet" to "builder". My thanks to builders Ken Wittington in
Calgary and Thomas Sherrer in Detroit whose projects I visited and to the
many others I talked to by phone.
Regards to all! John Kilian Seattle area
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <72770.552(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | oducing Bob Nuckolls |
I just got around to subscribing to the Europa list server;
I'm pleased to find that one exists! By way of introduction,
I've appended my "infomercial" about the AeroElectric Connection
and a bibliography of some of my past works in aviation journals.
Bibliography of Printed Works
by Bob Nuckolls
"No Juice." Aviation Consumer, February 1995
"Aircraft Electrical Systems: A philosophy for Reliability."
Sport Aviation, February 1993, Page 80.
"Fuses or Circuit Breakers?" Sport Aviation, March 1993, Page 86.
"Brushes for Aircraft." Sport Aviation, April 1993, Page 62.
"Solid State Light Dimming." Sport Aviation, June 1993, Page 50.
"Magneto Switch Options." Sport Aviation, July 1993, Page 56.
"The Batteries are Coming, the Batteries are Coming!!!!"
Sport Aviation, August 1993, Page 90.
"Crowbar Over Voltage Protection." Sport Aviation, December 1993, Page 68.
"Ignition Battery Manager: Reliable Aircraft Operations with Battery
Powered Ignition Systems." Sport Aviation, January 1994, Page 84.
"Failure Mode Effects Analysis: Confidence by design." Sport Aviation,
June 1994, Page 83.
"Avionics Master Switches." Sport Aviation, July 1994, Page 80.
"Battery Alternatives for Hand-held Radios." Sport Aviation,
March 1995, Page 30.
"Ignition Battery Manager - Revisited" Sport Aviation, August 1995,
Page 99.
"Aircraft Electrical Systems for Homebuilders", SportPlane Resource
Guide, 1995/1996 edition published by Kindred Spirit Press,
3001 21st Street NW, Winterhaven, FL 33881.
"When is a Good Ground Not?" Kit Airplane Builder, February 1996.
"Anatomy of a Close Call" will appear soon in Kitplanes magazine.
The AeroElectric Connection, an Information Service and Guide to Theory,
Operation, Design and Fabrication of Aircraft Electrical Systems.
A book (200+ pages), newsletter and consulting service offered
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Be sure to check out Bob's forums in the tents at Oshkosh every year.
There's at least one daytime forum on a specific topic and an evening,
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, Retry, Ignore, Fail?reading 05 Jul 96 09:24:58 BST
| From: | "Richard Samulis" <rs(at)ukmail1.cv.com> |
As an expat Aussie living in the UK yearning after the space and sun,
I'm considering heading back down under and starting a kit there.
Can any of my compatriot builders tell me:
a) what the shipping costs are for getting a Europa kit down under,
and
b) what the import duties are, and
c) any other 'funny' costs or problems involved?
Thanks,
Richard Samulis
rs(at)ukmail1.cv.com
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| From: | Stephen Eyre <fd41(at)dial.pipex.com> |
| Subject: | ecting your Fuselage by end July? |
Anybody wanting to share a lorry to collect their FUZ from the
factory, please shout.
I live in the South East UK.
Must collect within the next 3 weeks, to take advantage of the
package price when I placed my order.
Boy, have they gone up!
Ring me on 01474 834302 (day), or fax 01474 834323
Dave Walters, Builder 215
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| From: | Denys Gover <skypilot(at)ozemail.com.au> |
| Subject: | is the current price in UK |
Hello all,
In light of the last email I saw of how prices have jumped(?)would some
one please give me the current price (in UK pounds or AUS$)of all stages
of the mighty E including the trailer. I am going to see the bank next
Monday to talk financing.
Regards Denys Gover
Canberra Australia
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| From: | "Dr. Christoph Both" <christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cheltenham video recording |
Please e-mail me the address, Tel No. or e-main connection to order
the VIDEO
Thanks,
Christoph Both, #223, Canada
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 23:15:28 +0000
From: rowil(at)gn.apc.org (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
Subject: Re: Cheltenham video recording
John Bampfylde wrote
>What ever happened to the video? Does it exist? Many of us have cash
>burning a hole in the back pocket waiting for it!
I spoke tonight with David Eaves , who advertised
his plan to make a Europa build video in Europa Flyer #7, and has about 6
hours of that in the can waiting for editing. He also taped 7+ hours of the
Cheltenham seminar and that, too, needs some trimming. As he's not a
builder himself, he's relying on Nigel Graham #147 to help him determine
what needs to be left in and what chopped out. Obviously Nigel likes to
spend _some_ time on aeroplane manufacture, and I wonder if anyone else
might have some time to help guide the editing process so that something
can be published soon. Any builders in the Wantage, Oxfordshire, area want
to volunteer for that?
Should the seminar be edited down to fit on a 3-hour tape, or should he
just trim it a bit to 6 hours and put it out on 2 separate tapes? (And I
guess the same question goes for the stuff on the building of #147.)
When it comes to distributing the tapes, David will need to know if you can
use the UK PAL format the tapes are made in, or if you need standards
conversion which will approximately double the price (UK price per tape
would be about #16 + p&p [= s&h, for US readers :-) ]). It would probably
help him decide what to do if anyone interested in a copy of any tape gets
in touch with him direct. I have his address and phone number which I will
pass in private e-mail to anyone who needs it (eg if you can't raise him on
the above e-mail address). I'll also pass this info on to all those members
not on-line who've expressed an interest.
See you all (well, some of you, anyway!) at Cranfield Saturday.
cheers
Rowland
... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| From: | "Dr. Christoph Both" <christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Cheltenham video recording |
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 23:53:51 +1100
From: Ken Hunter <krhunter(at)pcug.org.au>
Subject: Re: Cheltenham video recording
Rowland & Wilma Carson wrote:
>
> John Bampfylde wrote
>
> >What ever happened to the video? Does it exist? Many of us have cash
> >burning a hole in the back pocket waiting for it!
>
I am absolutely interested as well. send PAL NSTC or what you have, I
just like to see the viseo soon.
Christoph Both
Box 1148
Wolfville, N.S.
Canada________________________________________________________________
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| From: | "Dr. Christoph Both" <christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Thank you, Sue Davies and Peter! |
Thank you, Sue for acting so promptly to fax me two missing pages from
the Europa manual Wing Kit. It really does make a difference to have
such a friendly voice at the telephone when you call from Canada for
desperate help and everybody in U.K. is at the weekend rally with
their Europas or part thereof...
It feels good to have all this support from you and the other
builders via e-mail as well.
Thanks again for helping out and going out of your way to help me
here. The missing layup is already on the way and you didn't even
accept my offer to pay you for the fax.
Sincerely,
Christoph Both, Halifax, Canada #223
Christoph Both #223, Canada
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| From: | JustPlanes(at)aol.com |
If anyone is interested in aviation videos I invite you to visit the
following interset site :
http://w3.one.net/~flypba/JPV/
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| From: | christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca |
| Subject: | Re: RCPT: Re: Cheltenham video recording |
Confirmation of reading: your message -
Date: 6 Jul 96 2:49
Subject: Re: Cheltenham video recording
Was read at 16:41, 9 Jul 1996.
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| From: | christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca |
| Subject: | Re: RCPT: Re: Cheltenham video recording |
Confirmation of reading: your message -
Date: 6 Jul 96 2:49
Subject: Re: Cheltenham video recording
Was read at 16:43, 9 Jul 1996.
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| From: | Roddy Kesterton <101350.2657(at)compuserve.com> |
Can someone tell me which applications can read the .dxf files posted on the ftp
site plse ?
Roddy Kesterton (220)
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <72770.552(at)compuserve.com> |
---------- Forwarded Message ----------
From: Roddy Kesterton
RE: dxf files
>Can someone tell me which applications can read the .dxf files
>posted on the ftp site plse ?
>Roddy Kesterton (220)
Roddy,
.dxf is an ascii exchange format originally developed for trading
drawings between CAD programs. Over the years, people who write
publishing and word processing programs have included the ability
to read .dxf into a document so that illustrators can use CAD programs
for figures. I'm not aware of any .dxf "viewers" per seh . . .
and I do most of my exchange between AutoCAD and other applications
using hpgl format but I do know that some word processors and paint
programs will read and display a .dxf.
Sorry I wasn't more helpful. Does anyone know of a .dxf viewer????
Bob . . .
AeroElectric Connection
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| From: | Peter Thomas <100335.3566(at)compuserve.com> |
>>Can someone tell me which applications can read the .dxf files posted on the
ftp
site plse ?<<
Most PC graphics programs can import dxf (Diagram eXchange Format ? ) files. The
ones I have tried are Microsoft Powerpoint & Corel Draw. I am sure that most CAD
programs can import them also.
Pete
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| From: | georgeg(at)lightspeed.net (George Gillburg) |
>Can someone tell me which applications can read the .dxf files posted on
the ftp
>site plse ?
Any good CAD (Computer Assisted Drafting) program should be able to import
and export .dxf files. DXF stands for Drawing Exchange File, a format
originated by AutoDesk for their AutoCAD program which is one of the most
popular CAD programs in the US and probably the world. The only problem is
that AutoCAD costs too much for most home users (well in excess of US
$3000). A less expensive solution to reading .dxf files and doing light two
dimensional cad work would be Drawing Board by Ashlar. This program is
currently available for less than $200 in the US and is probably the easiest
CAD program to learn that I have seen. (I've used AutoCAD for 10 years
professionally.) Ashlar can be contacted at:
Ashlar Incorporated
1290 Oakmead Parkway Suite 218
Sunnyvale, CA 94086
Phone (408) 746-1810
George E. Gillburg
georgeg(at)bak2.lightspeed.net
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| From: | Mark (MC) Clark <CLAM(at)kidd.co.za> |
** Proprietary **
DXF files can be read by AutoCAD and other Drawing packages.
Conversion may however first be necessary.
Where is the ftp site?
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| From: | Paul Marshall <Paul.Marshall(at)src.bae.co.uk> |
Dear Internet users,
I am a SLMG and group A pilot (low hours) and am a scientist working on polymer
matrix composites (CFCs) for the aerospace industry in Bristol. I hope to be in
a position to finance a share in a europa build project in a couple of years. I
am particularly interested in the "motor glider" version which has been
proposed.
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| From: | Graham E Laucht <graham(at)ukavid.demon.co.uk> |
In message <960710093622_101350.2657_JHP112-1(at)CompuServe.COM>, Roddy
Kesterton <101350.2657(at)compuserve.com> writes
>Can someone tell me which applications can read the .dxf files posted on the ftp
>site plse ?
Most Computer Aided Design programs, also Word 6 and above will
satisfactorily read them as well as Paintshop Pro, Pagemaker and
CorelDraw. They are vector files which makes most sense to CAD software,
the latter programs will display them though some of the meaning may be
lost especially if the program relegates them to bit map files.
Programs like Hijack etc. will carry out a conversion to other file
formats.
--
Graham E Laucht
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| From: | "John Ellerington" <john_ellerington(at)uk.ibm.com> |
For a cheap CAD program that will read .dxf files, try TURBOCAD 2D/3D v3.
It's available from Software Warehouse (tel 01675 466467) for UKP 70.44
including VAT.
I have no connection with either Software Warehouse or the publishers
of Turbocad, but can confirm that it's incredibly good value - you get
2 programs plus a CD full of drafting symbols and a couple of good
manuals. Integration between the 2D and 3D programs isn't brilliant but
it is usable.
Regards...John
***************************************************************
John Ellerington
SuperMIX Project team
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| From: | Roddy Kesterton <101350.2657(at)compuserve.com> |
Thanks for all the advice. I use Word6 which now works fine; the problem I was
having earlier was that I hadn't loaded all the graphic conversion filters when
I initially loaded the software.
For those of you who haven't found the the files (or FTP site) it is at
FTP.avnet.co.uk, with the excellent range of files in directory \pub\europa.
Roddy
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| From: | BARRY MEREDITH <B.Meredith(at)sheffield.ac.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: RCPT: Re: Cheltenham video recording |
Confirmation of reading: your message -
Date: 6 Jul 96 2:49
Subject: Re: Cheltenham video recording
Was read at 13:37, 11 Jul 96.
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| From: | BARRY MEREDITH <B.Meredith(at)sheffield.ac.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: RCPT: Re: Cheltenham video recording |
Confirmation of reading: your message -
Date: 6 Jul 96 2:49
Subject: Re: Cheltenham video recording
Was read at 13:37, 11 Jul 96.
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| From: | Rolph Muller <100031.533(at)compuserve.com> |
Bit late on this one - been on hols. Can't remember the price, but one of my
local aero/boat model shops stock them and it was certainly less than Ron quoted
- guess it's worth shopping around.
regards,
Rolph
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| From: | ChuckPops(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | : Pelouze Elect. Scale & small quantities |
I have bought the Pelouze electronic scale, a neat little unit for postal
weighing, sold at office supply stores for about $60. I have a few
observations about its use and quirks which may be of interest to other
builders.
First, it has a best resolution of 2 grams, which means that a resin batch of
20 grams may well be off by 10% in the resin/hardener ratio. Hence, you will
not want to mix quantities less than about 40 grams, if 5% is your max.
acceptable error.
Next, after placing an empty cup on the scale and zeroing, I normally pour in
a predetermined amount of hardener, followed by the proper amount of resin.
A quirk of this scale is, that after zeroing, while the scale is reading
zero, small variations of weight will be considered anomalous and will be
automatically subtracted. This means that if you pour your hardener in at a
slow enough rate, the scale will continually zero itself out and even with a
quarter cup of liquid, the scale will still read zero! Not good!
Well, there is a fix for this behavior. Simply place the empty cup on the
scale and zero it, and then before pouring in the small amount of hardener
place a small weight, say a mixing stick, on the scale, begin pouring in the
hardener and remove the mixing stick after the reading is well positive. At
this time, everything will progress as it should and you will get your proper
ratio!
BTW, I mix small quantities of resin/hardener by volume (3:1 with Aeropoxys)
using two cheap plastic hypodermic syringes. These are calibrated in cc, and
they make very accurate ratios possible even in very small quantities. They
can be readily cleaned with alcohol and reused again and again.
Chuck Popenoe
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| From: | LYNJOHN22(at)aol.com |
Just spent a beautiful day at Arlington 96. Roger Sheridan and Bob Berube's
son Mike brought the Europa monowheel from Lakeland. Builders Ken Wittington
and son Mark came down from Calgary to help out. Any builders or potentials
in the US northwest or Western Canada who are able should drop in. The show
runs through Sun the 14th. The weather is outstanding (clear and high 80's).
I had my first ride today . What an airplane!
Regards John Kilian
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| From: | jbamfyld(at)netlink.co.nz (John Bampfylde) |
For all those proud builders who have dropped their fuselage on the floor |:-(
How does one repair the ding? I have been told:
1. roughen the ding and surrounding area (1 inch wide or thereabouts)
2. fill ding with micro, sand smooth to contour to surface
3. overlay roughened area with layers of uni that mimic the weave used in
fuselage construction
4. after all's dry, on with the filler to fill weave and blend into the
surface.
Does this sound OK by the collective wisdom? (PS- factory has so far sat on
my fax for 11 days. Come on guys, if you're watching)
Also, what cloth is used in fuselage construction, and what orientation?
Regards,
John Bampfylde, #130
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| From: | jbamfyld(at)netlink.co.nz (John Bampfylde) |
For all those proud builders who have dropped their fuselage on the floor |:-(
How does one repair the ding? I have been told:
1. roughen the ding and surround (1 inch)
2. fill ding with micro, sand smooth to contour to surface
3. overlay roughened area with layers of uni that mimic the weave used in
fuselage construction
4. after all's dry, on with the filler to fill weave and blend into the
surface.
Does this sound OK by the collective wisdom? (PS- factory has so far sat on
my fax for 11 days. Come on guys, if you're watching)
Also, what cloth is used in fuselage construction and what orientation?
Regards,
John Bampfylde, #130
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| From: | Steven A Eberhart <newtech(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: fuselage dings |
On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, John Bampfylde wrote:
>
> For all those proud builders who have dropped their fuselage on the floor |:-(
>
> How does one repair the ding? I have been told:
> 1. roughen the ding and surround (1 inch)
> 2. fill ding with micro, sand smooth to contour to surface
> 3. overlay roughened area with layers of uni that mimic the weave used in
> fuselage construction
> 4. after all's dry, on with the filler to fill weave and blend into the
> surface.
>
> Does this sound OK by the collective wisdom? (PS- factory has so far sat on
> my fax for 11 days. Come on guys, if you're watching)
>
> Also, what cloth is used in fuselage construction and what orientation?
>
> Regards,
>
> John Bampfylde, #130
>
The guys at the Lakeland FL office are the only Official Europa Internet
presence. Roger is at the Arlington Fly-In (according to a previous
post) but should be able to give you some guidance after their return.
Unless the "ding" is very small I would be cautious about using your
proposed solution. Rutan's book on Composite Sandwich Construction
details the methods to be used in great detail. If you are building a
composite aircraft you need the book, available from Aircraft Spruce,
Wicks, etc. THe factory approved methods need to come from the factory
but I think that Ivan's, almost religious, following of the Rutan
composite methods would lead me to believe that his recomendations would
be consistent with those of "the father of composite design."
If no one else responds with chapter and verse from the book you can
e-mail me for the sections about the repair.
Steve
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| From: | europaav(at)ayla.avnet.co.uk (Europa Aviation Ltd) |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation Subaru Mailing List |
> Test to see if Europa Aviation are on-line and speaking to Peter Thomas.
Hope you got home alright from cranfield I blew the gaskets on the turbo
down with you.
Best Regards
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| From: | Peter.Thomas(at)burton.co.uk |
| Subject: | pa Aviation Ltd On-Line |
Hello to everyone on the Europa Club Mailing List.
Well it wasn't quite the launch announcement I had expected but you
might have gathered from the previous e-mail that the team at Europa
Aviation now have an e-mail account with Aviators Network UK. Gentle
persuasion over the last 2 years has paid off and they are now
ready dip a toe into the murky waters of the digital revolution.
I am sure you are all aware that it will take time to integrate this
technology into their everyday work procedures so please don't expect
them to be fully up to speed using this method of communication right
away. Team members will need training, roles and responsibilities will
need to be defined. I believe it is their intention to "listen to the
list" for a while before committing themselves fully.
So for the time being if you can't resist contacting them ( on
europaav(at)avnet.co.uk ) I would urge you to restrict your messages to
words of encouragement and congratulations NOT where the h*** is my
widget ! To ensure support questions reach the right person please
continue to use the normal channels.
With Europa Aviation, The Europa Club and over 250 Europa builders and
future builders using this list I believe we are ideally positioned to
see a very high quality of information exchanged. Please keep
contributions positive and criticisms constructive. It takes quite a bit
of time to run this list, I want EVERYONE to think it's worth the
effort.
Best wishes
Peter Thomas
#191
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| From: | John Wighton <john(at)vectayn.demon.co.uk> |
In message <960710093622_101350.2657_JHP112-1(at)CompuServe.COM>, Roddy
Kesterton <101350.2657(at)compuserve.com> writes
>Can someone tell me which applications can read the .dxf files posted on the ftp
>site plse ?
>
>Roddy Kesterton (220)
Try Autocad (lots) - or Pageplus but not Home edition (39.95).
John Wighton
Vectayn Limited - Engineering Analysis & Design 01376 501068
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| From: | Phoserve(at)aol.com |
Ron S, "The Chairman" has asked me to give a brief report on our club AGM at
Cranfield last weekend.
Unfortunately Jon Tye, our outgoing Chairman had lost his voice so he was
unable to say very much to us. Ron Swinden stood in and made The Chairmans
address on Jons behalf.
The first and most important item on the agenda was a tribute to the late
Pete Clark who was tragically killed some months ago at Old Warden during his
display of the Slingsby Firefly.
Ron Swinden spoke of the brief time he had known Pete, that unassuming person
with a wonderful sense of humour. Pete was not a "career pilot" but had come
to flying late in life. He was one of a rare breed of flyers who had "taught
himself" and had reached a standard of professionalism that many of his
fellow aviators admired and looked up to.
This was no more poignantly demonstrated than the day of Petes funeral in
the small church yard on the Yorkshire Moors. As he was laid to rest a Royal
Air Force Tornado, two Tucarnos, and the lead Hawk from the Red Arrows few
overhead in salute to this man. This was not a tribute to a fellow Officer
since Pete had never been in the RAF but a mark of the personal admiration
and repect that he had gained amongst his fellow professionals.
The Chairmans Report - this was a brief one. Jon was delighted to see so many
Europas now flying (the count at Cranfield was 10 and a half, the half being
the factory cockpit mock up). He also noted the extremely high standard of
finish on all the aircraft.
Ron Swinden went on to report that at the PFA's AGM the membership had at
last gained the right to vote by post. Also that our No1 Europa flyer Peter
Kember had been elected to the PFA committee. Ron felt that after his fuel
tank saga, things at "the factory" were running smoothly. His one moan was
that his paperwork was in a mess due to the many mods and could they please
produce a list. Ron also urged all builders to take time off from building to
keep current on their flying skills.He finished with a plea that the
membership should find a way for the Club magazine and the Internet to
coexist together without one forcing out the other. He felt they both had a
place in the Europa builder (and now flyers) armoury.
Carl Pattinson (that's me) went on to read out the 1995 AGM minutes. I
apologise to those who fell asleep and promise to severely abridge the next
years one.
Dot Pattinson (Treasurer) gave her report on the clubs finances. All well !
Copies of her annual report are available to club members on request.
The new committee was elected, which apart from the post of Club Magazine
Editor was not contested. Sadly, on this occasion Margaret Watson was not
elected as Editor but we thank her for volunteering and hope that she will
consider standing at some time in the future.
The new committee is as follows. Chairman - Ron Swinden. Vice Chairman -
Martin Stoner. Secretary - Carl Pattinson. Treasurer - David Corbett.
Membership Secretary - Rowland Carson. Social Secretaty - John Riddell.
Editor - David Watts.
The retiring Social Secretary - Trevor Jackson reported that he had organised
two further events for the club, both fly ins. One is to be near
Northallerton with a visit to RAF Leeming and the second near Kemble with a
visit to Aero Developments (home of the British Subaru) and a dinner at a
stately home ?
Under the heading of Any Other Business, Peter Kember stood up and commented
on the last Europa year from his point of view. He complimented David Dufton
on his efforts in producing a splendid Club Magazine. He said he felt that we
had spent too much of our time whingeing and griping at the factory and that
not enough credit was given to their efforts. He stated that we should
rejoice and be glad that we were at last flying (well, at least he is -
whinge whinge !)
His parting tip to the assembly - invest some time and money in proper Europa
training before you start to fly. I can heartily endorse that one !
Finally I stood up and made a long (and rather boring) speech on the need for
us to appoint a Safety Officer now that the Europa Fleet had started to fly.
I expressed some concern that I had heard of a handful of minor flying
mishaps. I felt that we as a club should appoint an officer (possibly Martin
Stoner) to collate such incidents so that we could see if there was a common
trend and if so what we could do to improve the situation. I commented that
it was my belief that this particular problem was a lack of training/
experience but added that I was not necessarily qualified to make this
judgement.
Peter Kember replied, saying that although he had no objection to a safety/
training officer he felt that the idea of confessing ones sins to a "father
confessor" was unnecessary since this would give the impression that there
was a Europa problem and it was his view this was not the case.
Mike Gregory then stated that there was nothing onerous about the idea of a
Safety officer and that in fact all the best professional flying
organisations used such systems (namely the Royal Air Force). I believe Mike
himself is involved in formulating safety policy in the RAF.
Unfortunately due to a misunderstanding we did not take a vote on this issue
so we dont really know what most of the membership thinks on this one.
I can only add that I intend to pursue this one further so watch this space (
or maybe the Club Mag).
Finally Ivan Shaw stood up and gave his now traditional address to the
assembly "1995/96 from Europa Aviations Point of View".
There being no other business the meeting ended.
Carl Pattinson
Mr - why use one word when ten will do just as well. Hope you didnt all fall
asleep !
PS - My E mail address is CPattinson(at)aol.com (not the one above).
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| From: | rowil(at)gn.apc.org (Rowland & Wilma Carson) |
| Subject: | o tape of Europa seminar - soon |
Good news just rx from David Eaves for those waiting for the vidjo ...
>Date: 12 Jul 1996 11:59:18 +0200
From: "David Eaves" <David_Eaves(at)eurogw1.mentorg.com>
>Subject: Re: Europa_Mail- Cheltenham
>
> RE>>Cheltenham video... 7/12/96
>
>Hello Rowland & Wilma,
>
>The video is on it's way, and will be available shortly watch this space.
>Sorry for the delay, there have been reasons for this.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>David Eaves
cheers
Rowland
... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| From: | Peter Davis <101621.3070(at)compuserve.com> |
I find myself thinking, wouldn't it be nice if I, or anyone, got as many replies
regarding any question about building the Europa as have been offered about
these DFX files.
Talk about bees round a honey pot! I thought until the other day that I was a
bit inflicted with computers, but even I draw the line at DFX files.
BTW, if anyone wants any files translating I have the technology!
Regards,
Peter
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| From: | RonSwinden(at)aol.com |
Graphic workshop seems to look at most things OK Ron S No 33.
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| From: | "Martin J.Tuck" <102034.2747(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | er Pedal Clearance |
Rudder Pedal Clearance (nothing to do with .DXF files!).
You can tell what stage I'm at now!
With Roger away - together with the aircraft - I could not get my usual prompt
reply from Lakeland - but I guess there are enough out there who have gotten
past this stage and can answer my question.
I have set up the rudder pedals laterally measuring 29 mm from the engine mount
as per the instructions but now I am fitting the cables I find that the
instructions tell you to position the tailwheel against one of its stops and set
the top of the relevant pedal 40 mm from the firewall.
I had assumed 40 mm from the rear face of the firewall but the outermost pedals
touch the sides of the firewall first (as they curve down) - with about 60 mm to
go before the rear face of the firewall.
Now it could be that the instructions mean 40 mm before the outer pedals touch
the curved sides of the firewall, but this will decrease once the sound proofing
(if fitted) and carpet is in place. Perhaps, just make sure there is clearance
which allows full extreme of rudder travel no matter how 'vertical' the rudder
pedals end up.
Cutting an angle on the uppermost rudder pedal tube (where your toes go) to
match the slope of the firewall would give more clearance and be OK as long as
you don't go through the weld I guess.
Any wisdom on the matter would be appreciated.
P.S. Concorde visited the Air Capital yesterday.
Regards
Martin Tuck
#152
Wichita, Kansas
U.S.A
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| From: | CPattinson(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedal Clearance |
In a message dated 13/07/96 01:04:01, Martin Tuck wrote
>I had assumed 40 mm from the rear face of the firewall but the outermost
>pedals
>touch the sides of the firewall first (as they curve down) - with about 60
mm
>to
>go before the rear face of the firewall.
>
>Now it could be that the instructions mean 40 mm before the outer pedals
>touch
>the curved sides of the firewall, but this will decrease once the sound
>proofing
>(if fitted) and carpet is in place. Perhaps, just make sure there is
>clearance
>which allows full extreme of rudder travel no matter how 'vertical' the
>rudder
>pedals end up.
>
>Cutting an angle on the uppermost rudder pedal tube (where your toes go) to
>match the slope of the firewall would give more clearance and be OK as long
>as
>you don't go through the weld I guess.
>
>Any wisdom on the matter would be appreciated
Reporting from the Oxford chapter of the Europa club, it appears that rudder
pedal clearance is a universal problem. Both Ron Swinden and I had to trin
the ends of the rudder pedals to achieve some sort of clearance of the outer
firewall. Obviously the factory omits to mention this important detail.
Carl Pattinson
Kit 49
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| From: | Rolph Muller <100031.533(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | ing chips and scratches |
Loctite make a white gel coat filler under the Isopon brand name and which
should be available from most boat chandlers. It cures very quickly and sands
and polishes to a high gloss white finish with 800 + 1200 wet and dry + T-CUT.
Very useful for the odd chip/scratch/rivet filling.
Regards,
Rolph
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| From: | ChuckPops(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | - Moldless composite videos |
There may be some builders who are unaware of the video series on moldless
composite construction put out by Glassic Composites near Chattanooga
Tennesee. This is a series of four videotapes by Stan Montgomery, designer
of the Speed Queen 200, on all aspects of composite aircraft construction
from hotwiring to filling, finishing and making inspection panels. I bought
this at Sun 'n Fun for about $80 for the set, and since this is my first
composite airplane, (my 4th overall) it has been very helpful and has been
well worth the price! It is the sort of presentation that should be supplied
with the Europa kit.
Glassic Composites also present hands-on Composites Workshops at intervals in
Tennesee on these construction techniques. A 2-day weekend workshop was
$149, discounted to $99 for Sun 'n Fun special. I have not attended this,
but have heard from other Europa builders that it is VERY worthwhile, and
they picked up many techniques that were useful in Europa construction.
FYI, their telephone number is 423/332-8300.
Chuck Popenoe
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| From: | Peter Stuy <pstuy(at)POWERUP.COM.AU> |
Have followed this mail for month while waiting fo one Europa in Australia
to get to the stage that I could try to sit in. Finally Brian Waldron in
Melbourne got as far, so I flew my little Microlight from Brisbane to
Melbourne (10 Hrs) and found that while sitting on the fuse bottom, or
rather the little tunnel, my head still stuck an inch out on top.
Any suggestions about blown bubble doors or similar to gain another say 3.5"??
Anybody else have this problem?
Please let me know, Ok?
Peter,
Down-under
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| From: | RonSwinden(at)aol.com |
One ear of one of my Softcom head sets just expired. I pulled it apart and
found the leads from the drive coil broken. I can see it just fine (with an
8x magnifier) but can I heck as like repair it. Thinks I need an 8x
shrinkifier on me soldering iron and a double handed hand steadier?? The dc
resistance is about 100 ohms or so (each side). Does anyone sell replacement
earpiece units out there?? Ron S No 33
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| From: | dbosomworth(at)meto.gov.uk |
Hello all,
Just picked myself off the floor and still laughing at the
humour page at:-
http://www.gmtnet.co.uk/airnig/humour/htm
That MacDonnell Douglas warranty card is a cracker.
chus, dave
kit67
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| From: | Martin <mberner(at)wow.net> |
RonSwinden(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> One ear of one of my Softcom head sets just expired. I pulled it apart and
> found the leads from the drive coil broken. I can see it just fine (with an
> 8x magnifier) but can I heck as like repair it. Thinks I need an 8x
> shrinkifier on me soldering iron and a double handed hand steadier??
An elecronic type soldering iron will do the trick !
Sounds like you are using one fit for repairing radiators !
The dc
> resistance is about 100 ohms or so (each side). Does anyone sell replacement
earpiece units out there?? Ron S No 33
Yes - RST Technoligies of Grass Valley, California does, as well as
intercom and other kits. I don't have the precise adress in front of me
but will email it to you if no-one else comes up with it.
Regards,
Martin
>--
Martin W. Berner,
26 Mayfield Road, Valsayn Park, Trinidad, The West Indies
Live Long and Prosper !
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| From: | RonSwinden(at)aol.com |
John Frizzel builder no 45 has a complete but unpainted Europa plus custom
built trailer for sale at cost of #45000 Rotax engine. Phone John on 01726
870620 for full details Ron S No33.
At the rally a Europa builder, we think, bought some permagrit tools (smart
fella) but left four Thalco Rubber Squeegees on the counter (not so smart)
if he would like to contact Tracy Richardson on 01529 241026 she might even
give them back to him. Ron.S
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | drive pin engagement |
I wonder if others have problems in engaging these when rigging. Before
the flap root extensions were added it was difficult, with them it is a
real pain. I have tried two conditions 1) the self aligning bearing
lubricated and very free. Then the slightest engagement off-line and it
moves out of alignment completely. b) unlubricated and tight. Then it
won't move into alignment.
This all originates from the relative shapes of the pin (hemisphere on a
cylinder), and the socket (straight cylinder). If the pin had a conical
or paraboloidal) end, it would self align better. It can hardly be
reshaped in situ, and those who have already had to remove them (when the
length changed) will not want to do it again ! My only other thought is
to have a much bigger door than the 1" suggested, so that access is as
easy as it was before the extensions were added. It could be out of sight
in the lower surface, or perhaps a cut-out in the top, which would be
filled by a fuselage mounted plate when the flaps come up. Any other
ideas ?
gemin
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| From: | rowil(at)gn.apc.org (Rowland & Wilma Carson) |
| Subject: | ne selling a part-finished airframe? |
One of the Europa club members who's not yet a builder recently asked (just
too late for inclusion in the June Europa Flyer!) if I knew of anyone
selling a part-complete Europa project. I wasn't aware of any for sale at
present, although some have previously been offered. Anyone else know of
any abandoned or unwanted kits, part-kits, etc?
Contact me & I'll put you in touch - the potential buyer is not online.
cheers
Rowland
... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| From: | rowil(at)gn.apc.org (Rowland & Wilma Carson) |
| Subject: | ontractors on database |
Graham Clarke has made (in private e-mail to me) what seems to me a very
useful suggestion. Add info to the Club database on what jobs were
contracted-out on each Europa. This might help people choose a contractor,
or decide whether to DIY based on proportion of other builders doing so, or
if seeking DIY advice at least identify those people it's no use talking
to!
Anyone have any thoughts on how best to implement this? I have no problems
adding appropriate fields to the database, but how does the info get to the
people most in need of it? Should it be put online where anyone can access
it, Club member or not? Any published list would probably not give
builder's name, just kit number, so only those with a factory list could
contact them by phone or snail-mail.
Any other useful things that could be added to the database?
cheers
Rowland
... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| From: | Rolph Muller <100031.533(at)compuserve.com> |
Anyone got any thoughts on this one? The Europa circuit shows a 40A breaker for
the alternator on the cockpit side of the firewall. In fact I planned to combine
this with a switch - I suppose mainly because the aircraft I fly has an
alternator switch. Is there any real need for an alternator switch - and why 40A
since I suppose this is only the field winding?
Regards,
Rolph #37
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
Turnhouse Flying Club, Edinburgh) has just bought Perth airfield from
AST, and apart from aircraft and buildings, have dozens of quality
headsets going cheap(ish). 0131 339 4706, fax 0131 317 1429.
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
Trevor Jackson is to be congratulated on organising two fly-ins for
Europas in the coming months (bit too old to handle the birds though (:-(
No doubt Europas will be increasingly flocking to other events so perhaps
the net could be used for a "roosting rosta" ?
Members intended perches could be posted on it, thus generating impromptu
gatherings. Peter T. no doubt has the technology ?
gemin
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| From: | dbosomworth(at)meto.gov.uk |
| Subject: | Re: Panel Wiring |
Hello Rolph,
you wrote:
>Anyone got any thoughts on this one? The Europa circuit shows a 40A breaker for
>the alternator on the cockpit side of the firewall. In fact I planned to
>combine this with a switch - I suppose mainly because the aircraft I fly has an
>alternator switch. Is there any real need for an alternator switch - and why
>40A since I suppose this is only the field winding? Regards, Rolph #37
It looks like Europa (and R&D) decided to bring the full alternator load
through the firewall and into the panel (Rotax output is 25A). This is also the
noisiest electrical field on the plane, so Alan Thorne and myself decided to
change things slightly to keep the run as short as possible. First, do you
really want to reset the 40A cb in flight if it pops ? If you answer no, then
you will be landing straight away anyway. If this cb pops there is a problem.
Our alternative is to use a 40A fuse, mounted in the engine compartment, to
isolate the circuit. Keeps the electrical noise in the engine compartment, away
from radios and instruments, and keeps the wires shorter aka 'lighter'.Fuse and
holder are very light, offsetting the weight of the battery master relay, which
we will also be fitting. From the same automotive parts catalogue we also got a
40A (or 60A) 2 pin plug and socket for master power: intend to redux one into
the firewall, to enable easy dismantling of connections to the panel. Dont have
the catalogue details with me, but will ask Alan if anyone wants them.
chus, dave
kit67
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| From: | "David Eaves" <David_Eaves(at)eurogw1.mentorg.com> |
Subject: Time: 1:34 PM
Staverton Video Date: 7/18/96
Dear Europa Enthusiasts,
As many of you have e-mailed me in the past about the availability of this
video. I can now tell you that The Cheltenham/Staverton video of the Third
Europa Club Seminar is now available.
The program has a total running time of 5 hours 41 mins, and will be supplied
on 2 three hour video tapes in PAL format.
They can be shipped within the UK for 17 pounds sterling plus 3 pounds P+P.
USA, Canada and Australia the cost will be 17 pounds plus 7 pounds P+P (Air
Mail) or 17 pounds plus 3 pounds and 50 pence P+P (overland, about 8 weeks)
I can supply the tapes in NTSC format etc, however this will give a revised
price of 45 pounds (inc P+P Airmail) or 41 pounds (inc P+P overland). If you
own a dual standard or multi format video player so much the better no need to
worry about conversions.
David Eaves
3. Rosebay Crescent.
Grove,
Wantage.
OXON
OX12 OBU
Thank You
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel Wiring |
>>Dont have the catalogue details with me, but will ask Alan if anyone wants
them.<<
Yes please. I've been looking for a decent plug and socket. And decent
fuseholders.
We mounted both main C/Bs before the firewall as you suggest, but had the push
buttons poking through and accecible if you really had to.
Goldwing say don't use C/Bs with their strobe it may cause failure. Really? They
reckon sometimes faulty ones develop high resistance. Need a good excuse to use
fuses.
Graham
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| From: | "William R. Henderson, Jr." <wr-henderson(at)worldnet.att.net> |
| Subject: | t U. S. Customer built Europa Flies |
!!!!! F I R S T U. S. B U I L T E U R O P A F L I E S !!!!!
Today, July 18th at 2:37PM Eastern Daylight Time the first U. S. built
Europa, built by Don Huet of Atlanta, Georgia flew in the presence of all
but one of the Atlanta builders. Roger Sheridan from Europa's Lakeland, Fl.
office had the honors for the 1st flight. In Roger's words "It flew GREAT,
just like ELSA". There are some overheating problems with the NSI Subaru
engine that have to be worked out, but the first flight went great.
I don't know if you are all aware, but Don picked up his tail and wing kits
just last September 1st, and is now flying!!! Great job Don. Wish we could
all get finished as quickly!! His plane is also an example of excellent
craftsmanship. For those of you who attended Sun n' Fun you probably saw
Don's plane on display.
Congratulations Don!!!!!!
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| From: | Rolph Muller <100031.533(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Tank Vent bottle |
If you don't want to make one, there are brake bleeding kits available with
suitable bottles.
Regards,
Rolph
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| From: | Rolph Muller <100031.533(at)compuserve.com> |
>>Goldwing say don't use C/Bs with their strobe it may cause failure. Really?
Theyreckon sometimes faulty ones develop high resistance. Need a good excuse to
usefuses.<<
Worked for a co. that made CB contacts for a while - they also reckoned they
could develop high resistance - this was domestic applications tho - I thought
it was a reason to sell more CB's - didn't work since they went bust.
Rolph
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| From: | CPattinson(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Panel Wiring |
In a message dated 18/07/96 10:34:33, you write:
> It looks like Europa (and R&D) decided to bring the full alternator
>load
>through the firewall and into the panel (Rotax output is 25A). This is also
>the
>noisiest electrical field on the plane, so Alan Thorne and myself decided to
>change things slightly to keep the run as short as possible.
Am I right in thinking the rectifier part of the Rotax is a separate entity
to the field coils (unlike a car where this is combined). Presumably the
reason for keeping the circuitry on the engine side of the firewall is
because its AC.
You say the Rotax output is 25A. I was under the impression that it was only
18.5A (Rotax quote 250 watts). Or is this the current on the AC side of the
rectifier. It would certainly be useful to have the extra current available
(pitot heat perhaps !). A large chunk of my current is used up on the Wheelen
strobes.
Regarding the matter of fuses versus CB's, it can only be said that fuses
also fail occasionally and it would be a pity to have to terminate a flight
if this was the only problem. The trouble is that if this was mounted on the
engine side you would have no option but to land.
Since this is such an important circuit perhaps it would be an idea to
protect it with two CB's in parallell (but to keep one off as a standby).
These could be mounted upside down on the ceiling side of the footwell with
the back end protruding into the "shelf" area of the engine compartment. If
the breakers popped it would be fairly easy to see and get at but at the same
time keeping the nasty AC engine side of the FW. I am of course assuming that
there is some form of shielding covering the entire area of the firewall
otherwise the whole exercise is pointless anyway.
I have purchased several cans of RFI shielding spray for this purpose and
had intended to coat both cowlings and the firewall face. This is an RS
product (code 568-483).
BTW im glad to hear that Alan Thorne is still a builder. As we hadnt heard
from him since relinquishing his Editorship of the Europa Flyer we assumed he
had given up. It was encouraging to read Alans regular bulletins to the PFA
magazine on the progress of his aircraft. Hopefully its now nearly finished.
Carl Pattinson
Kit 49
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel Wiring |
Why is AC behind the firewall a proble? Many of us have 26V 400Hz single phase
and 200V 400Hz 3 phase running separate instruments. Not a problem. The engine
delivers (variable) 400Hz single phase,volts can't remember but say 20. The
regulator sorts it and charges the battery, when it can that is. If the revs are
too low to give the Amps you are using your battery will go down. Slower, but
down.
We like the idea of the alternator CB on the firewall, resetable if you really
need to. You only have to land if you are IMC or the mechanical fuel pump quits.
Ignition is independant of charging. There are two separate dedicated coils.
Rotax, it seems thought it out.
Ask for Europa's new circuit diagram. It will surely be improved but it's a good
base from which you are unlikely to come unstuck and I doubt you will need to
change much to perfect it.
BTW Bob Nuckoll's published remarks have almost pursuaded me that it's daft
using expensive 1930s technology CBs except for special jobs, like perhaps the
alternator supply and main bus.
Goldwing Strobes don't like them either and pose the question "Why no CBs on
modern high tek cars?"
Graham, trying to get rid of the Flu mode. an excuse if needed.
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| From: | ChuckPops(at)aol.com |
Old-time Europa builders:
I have continually run into references to Permagrit, in your archived
messages. It sounds like it might be a good thing, but I have not been able
to find out much about it. What is it, is it an accessory for the Dremel
(which I have), where can I obtain it, and especially, where in the U.S. is
it available? Please advise.
Chuck Popenoe
#A036
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| From: | ChuckPops(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | yable Sanding Primer |
Another quest for info:
Please advise, which products have been found to be good for an easy sandable
primer to be used after the dreaded filling, sanding and finishing? The
Europa manuals recommend using two-part epoxies or polyesters, etc. The
Glassic Composites video course recommends Poly-Fiber's Feather-Coat, and I
have also had recommendations for Feather-Fill. The Feather-Coat is
presumeably a one-part quick-drying lacquer-based primer, and the
Feather-Fill is a two-part. I would appreciate hearing of any experience in
using any of these products, and any others which can be purchased in the
U.S.,and any recommendations on the use thereof. Which ones are easy to
apply and to sand?
Many thanks, Chuck Popenoe A036
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Panel Wiring |
I forgot to say that another good reason for having access the fuses on
the firewall from the cockpit side is that you can pull them and then
plug in leads to charge the battery without having to remove the cowling.
(you need to provide a good earth somewhere). Perhaps you could even jump
start it ?
gemin
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| From: | dbosomworth(at)meto.gov.uk |
Hello all,
Address for free catalogue for heavy duty plugs/sockets and fuses with
plastic holders etc is:-
Merv Plastics
201 Station Road
Beeston
Nottingham
NG9 2AB
UK
Tel 0115 922 2783
Graham2 said;
>But if they blow, there is probably something seriously wrong.
Also,
>I forgot to say that another good reason for having access to the fuses on the
>firewall from the cockpit side is that you can pull them and then plug in leads
>to charge the battery without having to remove the cowling. (you need to
>provide a good earth somewhere). Perhaps you could even jump start it ?
If a fuse/cb with big numbers on it blows there will be an overwhelming
urge to land pretty quick regardless of how easy it is to reset. Believe me!
Like the idea of access from the cockpit side for charging Graham2. I
appreciate the point Graham1 brought up about his obviously working instruments
and AC at the panel, but given the choice, i will still keep the leads forward
of the firewall and as short as possible hopefully to limit any interference to
radio/transponder. Bob Nuckolls writings make a lot of sense and are very useful
to have. See his email from a few days ago for further info. Alan is building
still, 90% done, 80% still to do! (Like us all really, firewall forward can take
a lot of time.)
chus, dave
kit67
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
I suspect that the crucial thing with interference from alternator whine etc. is
the screening of the Mike and Headset leads. These should be screened from the
Intercom end and left open at the jack socket end. Think that's right. Check
with Bob Nuckolls.
Graham
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel Wiring |
>>plug in leads to charge the battery without having to remove the cowling.<<
That's neat. Good idea.
BTW, I suspect your flap pin bearings haven't gone all the way into the
housings. They only just restrain the rotation of the ball inner and should be
flush with the outer face of the housing. Not hard to take em out and do it
again. Just get them hot enough and they will drop out.
Graham
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| From: | Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Electrical Wiring a Europa |
>
> > I suspect that the crucial thing with interference from alternator
> whine etc. is
> > the screening of the Mike and Headset leads. These should be screened
> from the
> > Intercom end and left open at the jack socket end. Think that's
right.
> Check
> > with Bob Nuckolls.
>
>
> For those who haven't yet seen Bob Nuckolls book I thoroughly recommend
> it. The book goes into clear and concise detail of how to design a
wiring
> system for an aircraft and gives precise information as to how to get
it
> all working together.
>
> If you are electrically challenged (ie have trouble understanding
> electrons) then this book is also a brilliantly written primer on
> electricity. So much so that I have highlighted sections for my 12 year
> old son to read as background information.
>
> Unlike many aircraft electrical books, this one is written by someone
who
> understands composites - Bob worked on Voyager and several items used
> with that project are commercially available. I intend purchasing the
> linear regulator/over voltage protection unit for my Europa.
>
> Bob provides a support service for those who buy the book so that you
can
> bounce emails off him for further advice.
>
> The only down side of the book is that it is not yet complete though
> subscribing to the update service will ensure that you get all of the
> extra items. Bob temps you occasionally in the text with a "I am
working
> on this note". Don't let this put you off. If you intend putting just a
> single piece of wire in your Europa you need this book.
>
> Tony
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
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> Date: 07/22/96 Auckland, New Zealand
> Time: 12:17:14 Ph +64 9 358 9124
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| From: | Rolph Muller <100031.533(at)compuserve.com> |
Re the recent service bulletin for Rotax Engine installations - anyone any
experience with exhaust pipe insulation?
Regards,
Rolph
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| From: | Jerry Harrell <jharrell(at)ecu.campus.mci.net> |
I live in Greenville , N C . DO you have a list of NC local Rotax
Dealers?
Thanks
Jerry
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <72770.552(at)compuserve.com> |
Been on a REAL vacation to visit my brother and his new bride in
Oregon for the past ten days. Spent some time camping out in the
mountains and wading in some VERY cold water at the shore. Will
be home for 10 days before starting our FAKE vacation at Oshkosh
for another ten days . . . blowing the whole wad in one month
this year!
The following are some tidbits I've picked up from various postings
to the list while we were gone . . .
>Address for free catalogue for heavy duty plugs/sockets and fuses with
>plastic holders etc is:-
>Merv Plastics
>201 Station Road
>Beeston Nottingham NG9 2AB UK
>Tel 0115 922 2783
When shopping for fuseholders or any other products fabricated from
plastic, check into temperature ratings. The automotive audio market
here in states offers a variety of what appears to be heavy duty
fuse holders, terminal blocks, etc. Turns out the plastics for some
products get brittle and crack and or won't stand under-the-cowl
temps. Also, be wary of "gold" platings offered by some vendors of
automotive audio products . . . these are not truly gold plated and
have higher resistance than plain ol' tin plating.
>Graham said, "But if they blow, there is probably something
>seriously wrong.
This is the reason that circuit breakers on the panel don't make much
sense. You need to ASSUME right up front that everything you install
is subject to failure . . . if you don't need it for comfortable
completion of flight, don't worry about it. If you DO need it, have
a back up. In either case, don't fiddle with breakers or fuses until
you're on the ground.
>I forgot to say that another good reason for having access
>to the fuses on the firewall from the cockpit side is that
>you can pull them and then plug in leads to charge the
>battery without having to remove the cowling.
Ground power connectors should be wired directly to the battery
via small contactor and reverse polarity protection diode (in
series with contactor coil) and o.v. protection (crowbar module
across contactor coil). Contactor is controlled from cockpit with
one of the FEW places where I recommend a switch-breaker. This
arrangement (1) allows charging battery without powering up
entire airplane (2) gives pilot control of ground power independent
of operator (3) prevents damage to airplane in case of reversed
polarity or inadvertnet application of 24 volts to your airplane.
>you need to provide a good earth somewhere
Yes . . . from ground power jack minus (-) right to airframe
for rear mounted battery or crankcase for front mounted battery.
>Perhaps you could even jump start it ?
You bet!!!!
>If a fuse/cb with big numbers on it blows there will be
>an overwhelming urge to land pretty quick regardless of
>how easy it is to reset. Believe me!
Agreed!
>Like the idea of access from the cockpit side for charging
>Graham2. I appreciate the point Graham1 brought up about his
>obviously working instruments and AC at the panel, but given
>the choice, i will still keep the leads forward of the firewall
>and as short as possible hopefully to limit any interference
>to radio/transponder.
Main advantage of short wiring is limiting interference to compass.
Keeping as much stuff forward of firewall as possible contributes
to short wiring and isolation from radios, intercom, etc.
>Bob Nuckolls writings make a lot of sense and are very
>useful to have. See his email from a few days ago for
>further info.
Thank you for the kind words . . .
>Why is AC behind the firewall a problem? Many of us have 26V
>400Hz single phase and 200V 400Hz 3 phase running separate
>instruments. Not a problem.
. . . mostly because the aircraft ac is low current, sine
wave power delivered on twisted pairs . . . very low noise
source. Rotax PM alternator output is high current,
lousy waveform, and best kept as short as possible between
alternator output leads and rectifier/regulator.
>We like the idea of the alternator CB on the firewall,
>resetable if you really need to. You only have to land
>if you are IMC or the mechanical fuel pump quits.
Again, assume the alternator is going to fail for LOTS of
reasons which may or may not manifest itself by blowing a
fuse or breaker. You need to carry enough battery to
run essential equipment until flight can be comfortably
concluded. If these criteria are met, it doesn't matter
where the breaker/fuse is located.
>Ignition is independant of charging. There are two
>separate dedicated coils. Rotax, it seems thought it out.
Except . . . be sure the four screws holding alternator
stator stack to crankcase are periodically pulled,
bonding areas cleaned and re-installed to proper torque
every annual. These bolts are single ground for ignition
system and under certain conditions causes BOTH ignition
systems to fail. (See Service Bulletin specific to this
issue . . . don't have it immediately at hand but if anyone
needs to know, I'll dig it out and get number and date).
>Ask for Europa's new circuit diagram. It will surely be
>improved but it's a good base from which you are unlikely
>to come unstuck and I doubt you will need to change much
>to perfect it.
Hmmmmmm . . . you haven't spent much time about Bob Nuckolls,
have you?
>BTW Bob Nuckoll's published remarks have almost pursuaded me
>that it's daft using expensive 1930s technology CBs except
>for special jobs, like perhaps the alternator supply and main bus.
The main bus doesn't normally get any sort of fault protection.
These wires are FAT guys that tend not to acquire hard faults
that need protecting. For example, 50,000 Cessnas have batteries
in the tail and a FAT wire bringing power up front but NO fault
protection. I could write a few paragraphs explaining why but
trust me . . . it works! Alternator supply lead protection
is to protect wires from battery current in case of diode failure
in regulator . . . if the diodes short, the the show's over,
might as well make it a fuse cause reseting the breaker will
just get you another pop . . .
>Goldwing Strobes don't like them either . . .
Don't like circuit breakers???? Probably because fuses generally
open faster than a breaker . . less likely to precipitate damage
to wiring inside the unit in case of hard fault failure.
> . . . and pose the question "Why no CBs on modern high
>tek cars?"
EASY . . . 1 cent per automobile saved over a production run
of 1,000,000 cars is $10,000 saved. $20 per automobile
for fuses versus breakers (they can make 'em cheap!) is a
whole hell of a lot of dollars . . . their choices have
nothing to do with operating logistics . . .
>It looks like Europa (and R&D) decided to bring the full alternator
>load through the firewall and into the panel (Rotax output is 25A).
Actually, I think it's a 250 watt alternator which works out to about
19 amps at 14.0 volts dc. . .
>This is also the noisiest electrical field on the plane, so
>Alan Thorne and myself decided to change things slightly to
>keep the run as short as possible.
Got that right !!!!!
>Am I right in thinking the rectifier part of the Rotax is a
>separate entity to the field coils (unlike a car where
>this is combined). Presumably the reason for keeping the
>circuitry on the engine side of the firewall is because its AC.
The Rotax alternator is permanent magnet excited versus regulated
field excited in automobiles . . . hence very different regulation
schemes.
>A large chunk of my current is used up on the Wheelen strobes.
Hmmmmmm . . . what strobe system are you going to run? Average
current for even the BIG systems is under 5 amps.
>Regarding the matter of fuses versus CB's, it can only
>be said that fuses also fail occasionally
MUCH less often than fuses . . .
> . . . and it would be a pity to have to terminate a
>flight if this was the only problem.
That's why battery capacity is chosen to run essential
equipment for duration of maximum fuel capacity when
worn down to half capacity . . . This means that you have
to replace a battery because it's capacity is low . . .
NOT because it didn't crank the engine on any given day.
A proper attitude toward battery maintenance provides a
VERY reliable source of power. I've flown long cross
country trips with a DEAD alternator by starting with
ground power and running one radio. Got to replace the
alternator with my own spare instead of one costing $750
from an enroute repair facility.
>The trouble is that if this was mounted on the engine
>side you would have no option but to land.
Design it right and the only reason you HAVE to land is
because you're about out of fuel!
>Since this is such an important circuit perhaps it
>would be an idea to protect it with two CB's in parallel
>(but to keep one off as a standby). . . . .
This scenario is so remote in order of probability that
it's not worth the concerns . . .
>Goldwing say don't use C/Bs with their strobe it may
>cause failure. Really? They reckon sometimes faulty
>ones develop high resistance. Need a good excuse to usefuses.
Fooey . . .
>Worked for a co. that made CB contacts for a while -
>they also reckoned they could develop high resistance -
>this was domestic applications tho - I thought it was a
>reason to sell more CB's - didn't work since they went bust.
If you DO choose to use circuit breakers, please do use good
ones . . . the miniature aircraft breakers from Mechanical
Products, Klixon, etc are suitable and have every probability
of lasting the lifetime of your airplane. But . . . they ARE
$20 a pop!!!!! Fuses on the other hand are $0.25 a pop and are
inherently more reliable than breakers (lower parts count, lower
mechanical stresses, etc.)
> . . . been looking for plug and socket . . . .
What's the application????
> and decent fuseholders.
Check out Bussmann fuse blocks with built in bus bars. They should
be avalable in Europe . . . if not, I can supply via B&C specialty
products. $32 worth of holder and $5 worth of fuses replaces
$400 worth of miniature breakers and saves many square inches
of panel space and HOURS of assembly time.
>Anyone got any thoughts on this one? The Europa
>circuit shows a 40A breaker for the alternator on
>the cockpit side of the firewall.
30 amps is plenty big and an inexpensive, inline fuseholder
(Bussmann HFB or equal) right next to starter contactor
is fine . . .
> . . . . . . . . . In fact I planned to
>combine this with a switch - I suppose mainly because
>the aircraft I fly has an alternator switch. Is there
>any real need for an alternator switch - and why
>40A since I suppose this is only the field winding?
You bet! But how about putting a small, high current relay
in series with alternator output before it traverses 30 amp
fuse to starter contactor. Then, power relay via panel mounted
2 amp breaker and a panel mounted switch. A crowbar ov module
across the relay coil then affords overvoltage protection that
Rotax chose to leave out of their regulator designs. In most
airplanes the alternator switch does indeed control alternator
field circuit . . . in Nuckolls/Rotax designs it controls a
disconnect relay.
I think that's all the stuff I have to comment on. If anyone is
going to be at OSH . . . drop by the B&C Specialty Products
booth in North commercial building south of control tower.
I'd like to get a copy of Europa's electrical system and associated
text from the builder's manual. Rather than have a bunch of folk
send it, post your offers to do so here on the list and I'll respond
to the first one I receive so that the efforts are not duplicated.
Regards,
Bob . . .
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| From: | dbosomworth(at)meto.gov.uk |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Vapour locking |
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 19:54 +0000 (GMT)
From: dbosomworth%ukmo-tclan(at)ccmail.meto.gov.uk
Subject: Re: Fuel Vapour locking
Hello Rolph,
>Re the recent service bulletin for Rotax Engine installations - anyone any
>experience with exhaust pipe insulation? Regards,Rolph
Norman Adam lagged the stubs from the heads, mainly to try and
protect the oil tank as things were a bit close. He also stuck a sheet
of stainless steel in too i believe as a heat shield.
I feel that lagging exhausts may be a good thing to try, but
fly without any lagging first, and carefully monitor head/water temps
before and after, as i feel it raise temps significantly.
However, we await the definative word(!) from Graham1...;-)
chus, dave
kit67
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| From: | "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <72770.552(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Electrical Wiring a Europa |
> I suspect that the crucial thing with interference from alternator
> whine etc. is the screening of the Mike and Headset leads.
>These should be screened from the Intercom end and left open
>at the jack socket end. Think that's right. Check with Bob Nuckolls.
>
>
Actually, MOST alternator whine gets into audio systems via ground
loops. The most common loop mode occurs when headset jacks and
microphone jacks get grounded to airframe where they mount. Mount
the jacks on a thin piece of fiberglas or better yet, use insulating
extruded washers to keep the jacks from getting grounded to their
metal mounting surface. I have a few of these washers at $1.00 a
set (one flat and one extruded washer for one jack). I'm looking
for a lower cost source and will feature them in our catalog which
will publish later this year.
Shielding can be useful for microphone and headset leads but
for the most part, twisted pairs will suffice. If the jacks are
NOT insulated, no amount of shielding of wires will make any
difference. You can use single twisted pairs for both headset and
microphone jacks. Carry push to talk (plug tip) and mic audio hi
(plug ring) on the two wires . . . use shield as mic audio lo and
push to talk return (plug sleeve). Connect shield to jack common
at jack end; to mic audio lo at radio or intercomm end. I'd use
22AWG twisted pair for headsets . . . no shielding needed.
On the topic of shielding in general . . . use shielded wire
only where manufacture recommends and/or supplies it with their
product. Strobes and audio systems commonly have some form of
shielded wire. Magneto p-leads should be shielded as a matter of
standard practice. I don't think the ignition control leads from
a rotax system carry any sharp, high voltage spikes . . . has anyone
looked at these leads with a scope? I suspect they don't require
shielding. Except for audio, strobes and an occasional mag, other
forms of shielding are generally a waste of time, money and in
some cases, creates noises that wouldn't have been there otherwise.
Wait til you have a noise problem before taking action. (1) identify
source (2) identify victim (3) identify propogation mode. Then either
(1) filter source (2) filter victim or (3) break propogation mode.
Advance shielding of most wires prior to doing the "homework" is
wasted effort.
Bob . . .
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
>>anyone any experience with exhaust pipe insulation?<<
Yep. We used Thermo Tec exhaust wrap,sold by Europa Specialist Spares, 01283
815609. It is an appalling price and you will need about a kit and a half. IOW
about 20ft of 1" lagging per pipe. If you buy the stainless strapping it is over
L50 per kit. We found that thin stainless jubilee clips are better.
BTW it's an American product. Must be an equivalent industrial material.
Anyway, it will drop your under cowl temps by about 20degC. With a stock Europa
installation you need all the help you can get under there.
Graham
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Vapour locking |
>>definative word(!)<< well, maybe. Not for me to say.
BTW, now you have a good idea of what Bob Nuckolls has to teach us. Did you ever
read anything so technically logical, but so easy to understand. Quite a lot of
that is in his book but I haven't seen the Rotax bits before. Just what we need
guys. Thanks Bob.
Graham
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Electrical Wiring a Europa |
>> Advance shielding of most wires prior to doing the "homework" is
wasted effort.<<
Wish I'd known that a few months ago!
Graham
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| From: | Graham E Laucht <graham(at)ukavid.demon.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Vapour locking |
In message <960724000707_100421.2123_BHG60-4(at)CompuServe.COM>, Graham
Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> writes
>>>anyone any experience with exhaust pipe insulation?<<
>
>Yep. We used Thermo Tec exhaust wrap,sold by Europa Specialist Spares, 01283
>815609. It is an appalling price and you will need about a kit and a half. IOW
>about 20ft of 1" lagging per pipe. If you buy the stainless strapping it is over
>L50 per kit. We found that thin stainless jubilee clips are better.
>BTW it's an American product. Must be an equivalent industrial material.
>Anyway, it will drop your under cowl temps by about 20degC. With a stock Europa
>installation you need all the help you can get under there.
>
Before rushing into lagging remember you might be effectively detuning
the engine as the velocity of sound in gas varies with temperature.
Lagging will certainly increase the gas temperature and thus the mean
gas speed. The system most probably takes account of mean temperatures
of circa 400degC to arrive at resonant lengths to improve pressure wave
port scavenging.
Europa had one of the country's leading exhaust specialists design the
system with emphasis on sound output and torque balancing.
Also some lagging materials which work well on ferrous materials will
eat through stainless in a matter of weeks.
I once met a man who had completely lagged his 582 installation and then
wondered why his flexwing hardly left the ground such was the effect,
though obviously more marked on a two stroke because of the total
dependance of the header length for peak power and torque.
--
Graham E Laucht
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| From: | DeWitt Whittington <deew(at)erols.com> |
| Subject: | AeroElectric Connection |
I am a future Europa builder and long time EAA member. I'd like all Europa
builders to know that Bob Nuckolls' "AeroElectric Connection" is a marvelous
and unique resource for the homebuilder. I have been a subscriber since day
one and have been lucky enough to be at Oshkosh every year and therefore
able to attend Bob's wonderfully down-to-earth mainly Q&A sessions.
I recommend that you buy a copy the 'Connection. Unlike a static book, it
is a living publication that Bob adds to and revises regularly. As he
learns more, thinks out problems even further, gets feedback from readers,
he updates chapters and adds data. You will have in writing and on paper a
massive amount of really accurate technical information, sources for parts
and...best of all, the expertise of Bob Nuckolls to help you with any
electrical problem. Bob's approach is aimed at low cost, reliability and
simple design. Most of us could not afford to hire a person of Bob's
capability be at our elbow during the building of our project. But by
subscribing to the AeroElectric Connection, you can!
By the way, I am NOT a paid cheerleader for Bob Nuckolls. I fly four
Cessnas with a local, Richmond, Virginia, flying club, the Wingnuts,and do
some instructing with my CFII. And someday, I'll build a Europa.
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| From: | Rolph Muller <100031.533(at)compuserve.com> |
One of the builders near me has started to suffer eye and mucous membrane
inflamation. It sounds fairly bad and although he will be talking to SP, if
anyone has used a full and comfortable face mask could you let me know the name
of the supplier/manufacturer.
Regards and thanks in advance.
Rolph
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| From: | king(at)skylink.it (Richard King) |
Hello! This is just to introduce myself. I am buying a share in G-BVLV,
which I gather is flying nicely. I have not yet had a chance to get my
hands on it, since I am in Italy, flying 767s on long-haul charter, mostly
to the Caribbean. I am retiring next year, so it will all be ready for me
when I get back. I hope to have a go in October, when I come back to
England for my Instrument Rating Renewal. (The problems of flying Irish
registered aircraft, on lease to an Italian Airline, when using a British
Licence are considerable!)
When I return I would like to get involved in the actual building of a
Europa, assuming I can ever find the time.
I would like to join the Europa Club. If any of the club officials are
on-line, would you please send me an application form. (Fax please, Italian
Snail-mail is sluggish, to put it mildly)
Richard & Tricia King XX XXXX First there was justice.
Via S.Tommaso d'Aquino 7 X X X Then there was the law.
21100 Varese, Italy XXXX XXXX Now there are only lawyers!
Phone/Fax 0332-320693 X X X
X X I R XXXX U R O P E
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| From: | Martin <mberner(at)wow.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Introduction |
Richard King wrote:
>
> Hello! This is just to introduce myself. I am buying a share in G-BVLV,
> which I gather is flying nicely. I have not yet had a chance to get my
> hands on it, since I am in Italy, flying 767s on long-haul charter, mostly
> to the Caribbean.
I wonder whether you are running into Tobago ? or possibly Trinidad ? I believe
that some of
the hotels in Tobago specialise in Italian packages. Whatever, if you do come
this way,
please call me - 627 2231 day or 663 6652 at home
Ciao !
Martin
Martin W. Berner,
26 Mayfield Road, Valsayn Park, Trinidad, The West Indies
Live Long and Prosper !
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| From: | RonSwinden(at)aol.com |
Has anyone any ideas regarding the fitting of a thermostat on the Rotax
engine It must be a good idea to maintain a constant engine temp. Someone
said the Nigel Beal supplies them for #50!!!!!!!!! I just bought one from
Citroen (not noted for giving things away) , it cost #7!!!!! My Citroen
one did 100,000 miles in 10 years and failed open. Does anyone know how the
factory ones fail???? (if they exist) Help Ron S.
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| From: | RonSwinden(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Vapour locking |
In a message dated 24/07/96 01:25:15, you write:
>Before rushing into lagging remember you might be effectively detuning
>the engine as the velocity of sound in gas varies with temperature.
>Lagging will certainly increase the gas temperature
Which apart from reducing the power output as Graham says may well shorten
the life of the exhaust system also??????? Ron S No 33
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
>>First there was justice.
Then there was the law.
Now there are only lawyers!<<
How true.
Welcome to the club:-)
Graham
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Vapour locking |
>>Also some lagging materials which work well on ferrous materials will
eat through stainless in a matter of weeks.<<
Didn't know that. More information please, Graham.
In fact Europa strongly recommended lagging. I took their word for it and did
it. I do know the exhaust guys who did the job so I'll ask them about the
possible effects on resonance. Europa did feel that our EGTs were a bit high, on
the other hand they don't fit EGT so high compared to what? I ask myself.
Exhaust valves are Nimonic I think so creep is less of a worry.
Graham
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | AeroElectric Connection |
>>By the way, I am NOT a paid cheerleader for Bob Nuckolls<<
Neither am I but I agree with evry word you say.
Graham
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| From: | Tony Renshaw <renshaw(at)ozemail.com.au> |
| Subject: | pa to Aussie Costs |
As an expat Aussie living in the UK yearning after the space and sun,
I'm considering heading back down under and starting a kit there.
Can any of my compatriot builders tell me:
Sorry to the other readers but your e-mail didn't work direct for some reason!
Gidday from Downunder Richard,
The tail kit will cost you about $750.00 AUD to sea freight out. Then you'll
have to insure it which will cost about $52.00. Then customs clearances
which will be about $120.00, and road transport and its insurance increment
from the port to your home. I recently got a quote from Europa for a part
share in a container for any future stages I may choose to purchase. The
tail kit by the way cost me $6000.00 approx(2900.00 Pounds).
A wing kit 3800.00 Pounds
Packing 40.00
Crating 115.00
Insurance 16.00
Delivery approx 423.00
Fuselage Kit 5200.00
Packing 60.00
Crating 435.00
Insurance 21.00
Delivery 696.00
If both purchased together
Wing kit 3800.00
Fuse " 5200.00
Packing 100.00
Crating 435.00
Insurance 36.00
Delivery 1078.00
If both were sent in a container
Wing kit 3800.00
Fuse " 5200.00
Packing 160.00
Insurance 36.00
Delivery 700.00
The biggest problems Australian builders have had has been with damage
enroute i.e. in the "consolidated containers" ( a mixed container with other
shipping companies stores all combined)
Now that Europa are offering dedicated containering as an option this should
minimise damage.
I hope this helps and I'm happy to answer any other queries, homever I fly
for Qantas and as such I spend a lot of time away, so it may take a few days
before I get a message, and then a few more occasionally to get around to
answering it.
Good luck in making a decision, but I'll give you a tip. "Find the money for
a tail kit and JUST BUY IT!! Then the next steps will be easier as you are
already on the bandwagon. This was my strategy anyway, as well as the fact
that I didn't want to retire in 20 years and be kicking myself that I never
commited to this aircraft building dream business!!!
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Builder No. 236
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| From: | Ken Hunter <krhunter(at)pcug.org.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Composite Book |
Gtreetings
I've heard so much about the composite "bible" by Burt Ruran.
Can anybody tell me the full title and where I may obtain a copy. I
cannot seem to find anybody here that can supply a copy.
I'd be happy to buy second hand if someone has one that is of no further
use to them.
Regards
Ken Hunter
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| From: | rowil(at)gn.apc.org (Rowland & Wilma Carson) |
| Subject: | pa Club Membership Sec going offline tempo |
I'll be unable to respond to e-mail for about a week, but after that will
catch up on anything posted for my attention in the meantime.
cheers
Rowland
... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| From: | "Richard Samulis" <rs(at)ukmail1.cv.com> |
| Subject: | ]: Composite Book |
Ken,
I assume you're in the UK?
Aircraft Spruce & Specialty Co. in Hitchin sell them.
Tel: 01462 441995
Fax: 01462 442228
They are also in California, Tel: (714) 870 7551, Fax (714) 871 7289
Richard S
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Composite Book
Date: 28/07/96 14:01
Gtreetings
I've heard so much about the composite "bible" by Burt Ruran.
Can anybody tell me the full title and where I may obtain a copy. I
cannot seem to find anybody here that can supply a copy.
I'd be happy to buy second hand if someone has one that is of no further
use to them.
Regards
Ken Hunter
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| From: | Rolph Muller <100031.533(at)compuserve.com> |
I seem to have created a problem for myself. I guess the spinner originally had
a centre marked on it - it is however now painted, and if there was one it is
well and truly covered up. So the question is how do I find the centre - the
back edge isn't flat so I can't use that as a reference. It could, I suppose, be
swung on a lathe if I could find someone with a big enough one and that may well
be the only solution. If anyone has an easier one please let me know!!
Best regards,
Rolph
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| From: | DuncanMcFadyean <101234.3202(at)compuserve.com> |
For finding the centre of the spinner backing plate, try using a record-playing
turntable; if you can find someone who still has one! This has the advantage
over a lathe in that the edges of the spinner will not be distorted by the chuck
and you can play around with getting the best compromise on the centre ( or
concentric rings around it)
Rgds. Duncan McFadyean
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
<>
Never like seeing the word "just" in that sort of context (:-)). Last
time I had to remove a reduxed component the garage nearly went on fire !
A lead-in cone would make the rotation unimportant as it easy to poke it
approximately in line.
gemin
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| From: | John Cliff <jfc(at)oasis.icl.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Composite Book |
The title is Moldless Composite Sandwich Homebuilt Aircraft Construction
(Burt Rutan).
The Aircraft Spruce reference number is #13-11600.
It is a 'must have' as far as I (a first-time builder) am concerned.
John Cliff
#0259
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| From: | bill(at)wynne.co.uk |
| Subject: | pit labels & placards |
please could someone let me know a UK supplier of cockpit labels & placards.
went pop, so now I have only got undurable card.
G-WWWG (40) goes up tomorrow if it's a half way decent day at Kemble.
I am trying to get her here for the Strutt fly-in on Sunday the 4th.
Bill W-Wynne N52=B036.7' W004=B004.5' (N Wales. U.K.) +44 (0) 1654 710101/2/3(fax)
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| From: | Steven A Eberhart <newtech(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Composite Book |
On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, John Cliff wrote:
> The title is Moldless Composite Sandwich Homebuilt Aircraft Construction
> (Burt Rutan).
> The Aircraft Spruce reference number is #13-11600.
>
> It is a 'must have' as far as I (a first-time builder) am concerned.
>
> John Cliff
> #0259
>
Both Aircraft Spruce and Wicks have materials kits that include all of
the glass, epoxy, micro baloons, flox, foam, etc necessary to construct
the student exercises in the book. Mine cost approximatly $50 USD. Good
place to start. If you screw up the airfoil section, better it than your
Europa's tail.
Steve
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| From: | barry(at)airdata.u-net.com (Barry) |
| Subject: | Re: cockpit labels & placards |
>please could someone let me know a UK supplier of cockpit labels & placards.
>went pop, so now I have only got undurable card.
>G-WWWG (40) goes up tomorrow if it's a half way decent day at Kemble.
>I am trying to get her here for the Strutt fly-in on Sunday the 4th.
>
>Bill W-Wynne N52=B036.7' W004=B004.5' (N Wales. U.K.) +44 (0) 1654
710101/2/3(fax)
>
>
by way of a quick introduction, my name is Steve Dickinson, I'm the sales
manager for Airplan flight Equipment Ltd, based at Manchester Airport
I'm not building a Europa, but I'd like to, so I thought I'd listen in and
see how feasible the whole idea is. I quite like the idea of the new MidWest
rotary engine - strikes me this and an Europa would make a good combination.
Anyway, the purpose of this message is to say that we sell a cockpit placard
set, in printed self-adhesive foil, which should cover pretty much anything
you would need to label on the panel. It retails for GBP 5.95 inc. VAT,
ex-stock.
We also do a wide range of pilot supplies & goodies, from charts through
textbooks, GPS, headsets etc.etc. so if anyone would like a catalogue and
didn't pick up a copy at the PFA Rally, please feel free to email me your
snail mail address and we'll send a copy asap.
General sales/kit enquiries should be emailed to afe(at)airdata.u-net.com, or
specific enquiries (including offers of rides in your newly-built Europas!)
can be sent to me personally at steve(at)airdata.u-net.com.
have fun!
-------------------------------------------------
Barry Richards
AirData Publications
-------------------------------------------------
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| From: | bill(at)wynne.co.uk |
once you are ready to fly.
Bill W-Wynne N52=B036.7' W004=B004.5' (N Wales) 44/01654 710101/2/3(fax)
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| From: | bill(at)wynne.co.uk |
| Subject: | Re: cockpit labels & placards |
>>please could someone let me know a UK supplier of cockpit labels & placards.
>Anyway, the purpose of this message is to say that we sell a cockpit placard
Thanks Steve,
plan to put the V.... speeds, passenger warnings etc
I appreciate your offer though and thanks again,
Bill W-Wynne N52=B036.7' W004=B004.5' (N Wales) 44/01654 710101/2/3(fax)
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| From: | CPattinson(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Filling |
Does anyone have suggestions on an easy way to deal with all the dings and
badly moulded edges on the Europa fuselage. Presumably the official method is
to use Ampreg mixed with filler, but problem is you have to wait at least 24
hours for the stuff to harden. Is there any reason why we should not use car
type body fillers such as Davids Isopon. One might use this mixed with the
Europa filler powder. Alternately something like plastic padding which
already has filler added. This only takes an hour to harden (sufficiently to
stand). There is also the question of the rivet holes that are so liberally
spread around after the fuselage is finished.
Carl Pattinson.
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| From: | jerry <jerry(at)flyinghi.demon.co.uk> |
A friend is selling his completed Europa
He developed a sensitivity to the resin and has just been very ill.
Resin sensitivity may be the cause and he is not taking any chances.
Cost 39500
Tel John on 01249 658566
Jerry
**************** FlyingHi - Wish I was ****************
>>>>UK distributor for Arplast Composite propellers<<<<
>>>>>>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown <<<<<<<<
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| From: | evers(at)ayla.avnet.co.uk (Eric Evers) |
| Subject: | Re: cockpit labels & placards |
>plan to put the V.... speeds, passenger warnings etc
>
>Bill W-Wynne N52=B036.7' W004=B004.5' (N Wales) 44/01654 710101/2/3(fax)
>
Best wishes for your first flight.
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| From: | evers(at)ayla.avnet.co.uk (Eric Evers) |
>I seem to have created a problem for myself. I guess the spinner originally had
>a centre marked on it - it is however now painted, and if there was one it is
>well and truly covered up. So the question is how do I find the centre - the
suppose, be
well
>be the only solution. If anyone has an easier one please let me know!!
>
>Best regards,
>
>
>Rolph
>
respect to mother earth.
Oh what fun! Please tell us how it all works out.
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| From: | georgeg(at)lightspeed.net (George Gillburg) |
| Subject: | Re: cockpit labels & placards |
Another place to look is Trophy Shops. Here, in the US, trophy shops do a
lot of computer driven engraving in both metal and plastic. The could do
what you want.
George E. Gillburg
georgeg(at)bak2.lightspeed.net
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| From: | "John Ellerington" <john_ellerington(at)uk.ibm.com> |
Re.Engraved plastic labels
In the U.K. most office supplies/stationery shops will be able to get
this type of label made up. They are also available mail-order from
the big stationery suppliers. They're not cheap though - you might
consider using one of the new label-making systems from DYMO or EPSON
that produce custom labels on self-adhesive plastic tape. These are
available both as embossing systems which produce raised white letters
on a coloured or black background or as printing systems using permanent
ink that allows colour schemes such as black type on a yellow background.
The last time I saw these advertised was in a mail order stationery
catalogue, I think it was from Misco.
Hope this is helpful...happy landings...John.
***************************************************************
John Ellerington
SuperMIX Project team
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| From: | Rolph Muller <100031.533(at)compuserve.com> |
>He developed a sensitivity to the resin and has just been very ill.<
I'm told SP are quite helpful and will issue Health and Safety sheets. One of
the builders has just obtained a set and one potential problem is that reactions
can apparently still occur quite some time after initial cure. (Thanks to Tony
Krzyzewski for his recent posting - however 18 hours forced ventilation may well
not be enough if you really have a problem). I may in fact just be starting to
experience the problem after (ab?)using the product for nearly three years.
Regards,
Rolph
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| From: | Rolph Muller <100031.533(at)compuserve.com> |
Thanks for the various suggestions. I'm told one way is to slightly loosen the
fixing screws, run the engine at tick over and tap the spinner until it runs
true and then retighten the spinner.
One other thought on the spinner is that the manual shows the spinner with half
moon /semicircular cut outs. In fact the cut outs as they extend to the rear of
the spinner from the back of the blade can be parallel slots and need to be no
wider (plus clearance) than the blade at the point where it comes through the
spinner - and running at, I suppose, about 45 degrees from blade to rear edge.
The spinner is then fitted by twisting slightly clockwise.
Regards,
Rolph
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| From: | Miles McCallum <milesm(at)avnet.co.uk> |
Can anyone tell me which 12" drills would be useful for building the Europa?
Thanks all....
Miles
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
>> So the question is how do I find the centre<<
Not easy, for more reasons than one. Just for starters it isn't round. It's also
much too floppy.
I gave up and turned up a steel mould to make a dished backplate with an
accurate centre hole which exactly fits the Rotax hub. Vacuum bagging and oven
curing gives a nice rigid "Frisby" even without carbon fibre, the effect of the
dishing. With carbon it's so stiff it rings.
Graham
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Filling |
>> Is there any reason why we should not use car
type body fillers such as Davids Isopon.<<
You bet there is. It won't stick. Worse, it will attract moisture through all
the paint you put on top of it and cause blisters.
Stick with epoxies until the final coat/coats of finish paint.
Graham
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Sensitisation |
No-one seems to be rushing to answer your query, probably because the
severity differs so much from person to person and also it depends
whether you are at stage 1, epoxy, or stage 2 preparation and painting. A
builder near me has had to go to complete covering, divers suit style, to
avoid problems at Stage 1, which makes working very difficult.
My personal experience is that a dust mask (cheap DIY) and at least
glasses or goggles was sufficient at Stage 1, apart from Redux mixing
which is very irritant and the dust mask has to be replaced with a well
sealing vapour filter mask (see below).
For Stage 2, with continuous exposure to the highly volatile thinners and
hardeners, a full extraction helmet would seem to be required. Such are
expensive (300) at least for one-off use. I constructed one from a
plastic bin (got funny looks when trying them on in the stores!)
using a vacuum cleaner for extraction. It was too cumbersome with the
trailing pipe and difficult to see through for most of the work. I am now
using well fitting soft plastic goggles and the previously mentioned gas
filter mask (North RP 1620, approx 30). At first this mask seemed
difficult to put on, as you can't see the final strap attachment point
next to your nose, but you soon get used to it and a tug on the strap
makes a perfect fit with the fold-over soft edges it carries.
On occasions when I have had some emergency and taken it off in
mid-operation, the atmosphere as one might expect, depends markedly on
the conditions. With the garage end fully open you (or at least I) can
carry on spraying as long as you don't peer too closely. With the door
closed it's pretty well impossible if not dangerous. But as I say, we're
all different. Incidentally dust problems disappear if you go to wet
sanding as soon as you can.
Good luck,
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Vapour locking |
<>
Well if its tuned someone had better tell us for what r.p.m. If its high
q we maybe need variable pitch lagging (:-)), if its low q it doesn't
matter.
gemin
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| From: | ChuckPops(at)aol.com |
This sensitisation business is a bit scary! Imagine having to dispose of
your plane after some 2-3 years abuilding!. Does the fact that this builder
is selling his plane AFTER it is completed mean that he is also sensitised to
the CURED epoxy?
I am using Aeropoxy for laying up the wings on A36 at this stage, and would
not like to have this happen to me. Accordingly, I am interested in the best
thoughts on the mechanism of the sensitisation. Is it exposure to fumes and
vapors, or to absorption through the skin after countless hours of handling
the resins? I am reasonably careful, but have on numerous occasions had to
wipe resin off of my skin, and then wipe the last traces off with alcohol. I
have taken no precautions regarding breathing the vapors, and have noticed no
ill effects other than my eyes will start to burn and water whenever I begin
a layup, which seems to diminish as the layup proceeds. I have also read
that using a solvent for removing the residue may hasten the absorption
through the skin, but how else do you get rid of that sticky stuff?
By the way, exactly what are the symptoms of epoxy sensitisation? I have
seen nothing on this subject, and it would be nice to recognise the earliest
symptoms and to know the later symptoms and the final symptoms which force
you to sell your unflown Europa.
Chuck Popenoe
A36
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| From: | ChuckPops(at)aol.com |
Can any of the stateside builders advise on the proper way to run wires
during wing construction to provide for wingtip position and strobe lights?
The obvious way of simply stringing wires through a lightening hole doesn't
seem elegant or good aircraft practice!
Hoping to find some builders who have figured out how best to do this.
Chuck Popenoe
A36
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| From: | rsc <Robert.Schreurs(at)Koeln.Netsurf.de> |
The real alternative;
Check performance and weight of the new australien Jabiru 2200
Aero-engine with only 56 Kgs Starter, exhaust and alternator
included this engine increases the liability and your payload a lot.
Even the price is very interesting.
By the way, the Europa factory ordered 2 of these engines due the
PFA Rallye July =B496 to test !!
Contact me for further info=B4s . . . .
--
.
Rob Schreurs I AV8 4 FUN! ._______|_______.
Robert.Schreurs(at)Koeln.Netsurf.de \(*)/
o/ \o
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| From: | RonSwinden(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Sensitisation |
Dear Gemini
In a message dated 01/08/96 08:34:27, you write:
>For Stage 2, with continuous exposure to the highly volatile thinners and
>hardeners, a full extraction helmet would seem to be required. Such are
>expensive (#300) at least for one-off use. I constructed one from a
>plastic bin (got funny looks when trying them on in the stores!)
>using a vacuum cleaner for extraction
Don't understand the above, why extraction? if you would like to use a mask
would it not be better to blow clean air into your helmet which could vent
freely into the workspace around you. A low pressure centifugal blower of
almost any old sort would do tho for preference I would steer clear of the
vacuum cleaner type that pulls its air thru the motor and presumably gets a
good helping of ozone from the sparking com.
I use diving air and a firemans breathing helmet but thats a bit over the top
really its just that I still have my old 4000psi diving compressor kicking
around from way back when. Ron S No33.
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
Local DIY stores have them, but never had to use one anywhere ! Slightly
different assembly methods avoid their use.
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Filling |
Isopon P40 - sets in less than 10 min (depending on temperature), it has
a glass fibre content. Sets a bit on the hard side, so smooth it well or
peelply it. Car fillers, (Isopon P38) are softer and ok when you find
your primer hasn't filled. (In spite of Graham 1's comment, they have
been used for decades without problems in the car and boat industries and
no-one I have spoken to finds them unsatisfactory, and after all the
standard SP paint is described as a car body paint.) P40 sets a bit fast
in current summer temps even in Scotland, so mix small dollops only (or
keep in fridge until wifey discovers it).
gemin
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Sensitisation |
Sorry, for "extraction" read "positive pressure"
gemin
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: flap pin glue |
The thing about Redux is the size of the rubber particles included to give crack
resistance. They are around 8 thou or so I think. Much too big for a normal
sliding fit. That's why the fork for the stick torque tube is a sloppy fit.
Graham
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Filling |
>>In spite of Graham 1's comment, they have been used for decades without
problems in the car and boat industries and no-one I have spoken to finds them
unsatisfactory,<<
Yes, but cars and boats don't normally have loose unreacted epoxy resin or
hardener floating about. (No one gets 100% stoichiometric ratios.) It is these
which attract the osmosis which causes the blisters. SP 302 HiBuild primer is an
epoxy, incidentally and seems to work well. If you must use polyester paints or
fillers use an epoxy barrier coat (very thin and never sanded) such as PPG DP40.
My Long EZ blistered first time round, like most other peoples. Second time I
used DP40 and it hasn't blistered after 5 years outside.
Graham
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| From: | RonSwinden(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 31/07/96 22:52:52, you write:
>Can anyone tell me which 12" drills would be useful for building the Europa?
I have a no' of these drills in a range of sizes but the most useful to me
have been the 3/32" 1/8" and the 3/16" their use is not immediatley
obvious but as you can drill with them bent by at least 10 or more degrees
they are very useful indeed. EG drilling the inset brackets in the wing to
take the flap hinge support plates w19 I think from memory. Having found
them I would hate to be without them now. I made an even longer drill to
drill the tapping size holes for the wing pins with a two foot long drill
lining up a hole to a line marked on the spar becomes a breeze. Ron S No
33.
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| From: | "John Ellerington" <john_ellerington(at)uk.ibm.com> |
Epoxy needs to be treated with considerable care - it's a very reactive
chemical in its uncured state. You need to make *every* effort to avoid
skin contact - put on barrier cream and then wear latex gloves. Keep the
rest of your body covered. *Do not* breathe the fumes - a positive
pressure mask is a good idea.
If you get it on your skin use a specially formulated skin cleaner -
under no circumstances use any form of solvent or you'll push the epoxy
into your skin. You risk dermatitis, skin cancer and sensitisation
(and once you are sensitised you are liable to get a reaction even from
cured epoxy).
Above all, don't get it in your eyes - you may cause uncurable damage
that can slowly blind you over a few years.
Sorry if this sounds alarmist but if you're not treating the stuff with
the respect it deserves perhaps you should take up golf instead!
Incidentally, polyester resin is not quite so dangerous but the hardner
(Methyl Ethyl Ketone Peroxide - MEKP)
most definitely is - even a small amount in your eye can blind you even
if it is rapidly removed, and it's a big fire risk if it comes in
contact with any combustible organic material e.g. paper or wood.
It's not unknown for someone to clean up after a laminating job and
then have their rubbish bin spontaneously combust!
Acetone is frequently used for cleaning out brushes when working with
polyester resin - once again, this chemical should not be allowed to
contact your skin and don't breathe the fumes. Please don't use it to
wash resin off your hands!
So while we enjoy the benefits of these wonder materials, let's not
forget the risks. Most reputable suppliers of these chemicals will
provide safety literature but usually need to be asked. So ask!
Happy (but careful!) building...John.
***************************************************************
John Ellerington
SuperMIX Project team
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| From: | "Eszter C. Muranyi" <esmst15(at)rockwell.business.pitt.edu> |
mhmcm
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| From: | Matt Lawrence <matt(at)access.digex.net> |
| Subject: | Re: cockpit labels & placards |
>I should have made it clearer in my enquiry. What I am looking for are
>those natty hard plastic labels with deeply etched letters that you
>sometimes see under 500 year old trees around stately homes. Onto these I
>plan to put the V.... speeds, passenger warnings etc
I have the equipment and skills to make these, I inherited a pantograph mill
from my father. While I'm still a novice at engraving, this isn't a tough
job. I'll be happy to make these in my spare time (in a couple of months).
Any chance folks could agree on identical placards, so I could just make up
one set of masters?
-- Matt
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| From: | Roger Lloyd <106140.2075(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | oduction and query |
Hello
My name is Roger Lloyd. I had an early kit but I am a slow builder. Having
been on the net for a few weeks now , spending too much time reading and
not enough time building, I am about to take delivery of a Mid West Rotary
and would like to know how many others are doing the same. I would also
like to know about any better solutions to fuel monitoring. The last plane
I flew had a tank which could be dipped easily to work out fuel contents.
The only thing I could think of to improve Ivan's design is to incorporate
a small spirit level , so when filling the tank, the sight gauge always
tells the same story. Not being a lover of gismos that can go wrong and
spoil my day I'm looking for simple effective solutions, can anybody
suggest any!
RL No6.
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
We have just returned from a wonderful day at Bill Wynne's strip/home. Jon Tye
and I flew in loose, mostly but sometimes close, formation from Derbyshire to
Talybont Farm near Tywyn just inland of the west Wales coast.
The mountains 5 miles to the east rise to 2000 ft so you don't see anything
until you're almost there. Then the view suddenly opens out and the coastline
appears with the strip below you at the head of the little Broad Water estuary.
The weather was pretty well perfect, except that the wind was about 10 kts 90deg
to the strip.
In the end 24 aicraft flew in, four Europas, a couple of Tcraft, a Nord, Jodel,
Rally, RV4, Kitfox and half a dozen rag wing microlights. Notwithstanding one
or two go rounds we all got in nicely, landing a ragwing in a cross wind looked
as though it might be a bit of a bloodsport!
Bill's lovely wife Roo provided an excellent barbecue, cold drinks and
eventually tea and cakes. We all had a boat trip up the river to look at Bill's
father's beautiful old manor house complete with another airstrip. Only trouble
with that one was you land only to the west and take off only to the east.
We all enjoyed one of the prettiest parts of the country on one of the best
barbecue days yet this year. Thanks Bill.
Graham
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
We now have around 15 hours behind us with the PV50 electric variable pitch
prop. It has performed very well and is a real advantage when taking off hot
high and heavy, as we did several times on the way to the French RSA rally at
Epinal and then over the Jura mountains to Annemasse, a small airfield on the
south side of lake Geneva. We left there at 10 AM, about 24 deg C already and
climbed immediately to 5,500 QNH to cross Geneva and the mountains a few miles
beyond. From there it was a downhill cruise to 3500 which was our prefered
altitude across central France. We were eventually pushed down to 400 ft for the
last few miles into Le Touquet. Fortunately the weather relented a bit after
lunch and a couple of hours and around 6 PM we took off again for the 2 and a
1/2 hour flight to Tatenhill.
For much of the 10 1/2 hours and 1100 n.miles we cruised at 3,800 rpm and
110/115 knots. Interesting how untidy flying quickly knocks off a few revs and
5
kts. A nice thermal will often give a 5 kt bonus for a while. Even in the
hottest conditions, up to 28 deg C, oil never went higher than 88deg and water
96. Methinks we can reduce the cooling air inlet area a bit. Fuel burn was about
12 liters /hour. Average ground speed 105 kts. including all take offs and
landings.
Back nearer home we tried cruising at 4,500 rpm which gives 124 kts or so.
Now that the ratio of bounces to landings is around 20% and falling we are
really beginning to enjoy the aeroplane. It's comfortable ride, even in
thermals, good useful load, decent cruise speed and modest thirst for fuel make
it a very practical touring vehicle, especially across the Channel.
Graham
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Vapour locking |
How about a) open the oil water doors when on the ground
b) reverse the cabin heat fan !
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Navlight Wiring |
I have a plastic tube alongside the main spar from tip to root. Easily
populated with wires later, same for tail.
gemin
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | oduction and query |
If you wish to fit a sight guage, use the new tank outlets with extra outlets
for drains and tee the sight guage to the drain NOT the engine feed line. Then
the fuel pump won't cause false readings, or suck air.
Graham
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| From: | Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Navlight Wiring |
> I have a plastic tube alongside the main spar from tip to root. Easily
> populated with wires later, same for tail.
>
> gemin
>
Any tricks for gluing this in place. I assume that you mean that it is in
the closest lightening hole to the spar.
Tony #272 and a lot happier now that the humidity has dropped. Couldn't
get my fix of resin for weeks :-(
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Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/05/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 09:59:35 Ph +64 9 358 9124
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| From: | Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz> |
For those who haven't discovered the MicroEncoder yet.
Visit
http://www.rkymtn.com
The MicroEncoder is a Transponder Encoder, VSI, ASI and Altimeter all in
one. I will be using it as primary encoder and VSI and as a backup to the
others. In the true spirit of homebuilts you build it yourself :-)
Tony
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Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/05/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 10:02:30 Ph +64 9 358 9124
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What determines the range of any laser diode, as in a laser pointer?
Where can I get a copy of the rules or guide lines?
Thank You,.
Ara Kelly
hitech@e-z.net
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| From: | jbamfyld(at)netlink.co.nz (John Bampfylde) |
| Subject: | Re: MicroEncoder |
>For those who haven't discovered the MicroEncoder yet.
>
>Visit
>
>http://www.rkymtn.com
>
>The MicroEncoder is a Transponder Encoder, VSI, ASI and Altimeter all in
>one. I will be using it as primary encoder and VSI and as a backup to the
>others. In the true spirit of homebuilts you build it yourself :-)
>
>Tony
YES ITS TRUE- IT CAN BE BUILT BY NON ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS! In fact, by non
engineers altogether. I've built one using their very good instructions,
and great fun it was too. I have yet to programme it, but it does not look
too complex.
I saw a photo of someone's panel showing one on the main, shallow bit in
front of the pilot. I always thought it could only fit in the deeper bit of
the panel above throttle. any comments?
John Bampfylde, #130
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| From: | jbamfyld(at)netlink.co.nz (John Bampfylde) |
Is it true that alarms on the instrument panel can be set off the standard
gauges supplied by Europa? ie oil temp, oil pres, CHT etc?
Also, how many alarms are most builders going for?
Yours in the dark,
John Bampfylde, #130
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Fuselage Filling |
I am rapidly becoming resigned to giving up chasing down defects as a)
they seem to be never ending and b) sounds as if it will all need doing
again next year anyway !
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: flap pin glue |
Didn't have any trouble with redux here and it sure is stuck !
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: cockpit labels & placards |
The requirements are in the "Final inspection check list". Europa will
send you one or I will fax a copy if you have a number.
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Navlight Wiring |
Periodic blobs of 5min adhesive (Isopon P40) will do it.
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: laser help 2 |
That question has a million answers so you have to be a bit nore
specific. The range of any system depends on both a) the transmitter, b)
the receiver and c) the transmission medium. If it's short range, (and
air without smoke!) you can forget the latter. If if it's a laser pointer
application, the receiver is your eye in combination with the
reflectivity of the target. If as I suspect you are probably interested
in an short range altimeter the answer is dependent on some heavy
technical design considerations e.g. modulation of the beam, its
collimation (one of the advantages of lasers), receiver aperture and
sensitivity, range gating, noise cancellation etc. etc. If you want
something buyable, there are digital readout devices available for tens
of pounds which work on unambigous targets (like flat walls) at ranges
5-10m max. but they tend to get their sensitivity by methods which result
in several seconds of response time. I tried one for backing the car !
gemin
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
>>Is it true that alarms on the instrument panel can be set of<<
No. The alarms are set on digital instruments like the Grand Rapids ESI or Rocky
Mountain's similar unit, Rotax Flydat also has alarms.
The same (or similar) sensors are used.
Graham
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| From: | Hans-Conrad Stamm <100137.3131(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | pa at RSA-Flyin in Neuchatel? |
Hi all,
Next weekend (7-10. Aug 96) there is a flyin of the RSA-Switzerland in Neuchatel
(LSGN). I'm considering building an europa in the near future and like to
see/fly a real one. Does anybody know if there is a europa there at this fly-in?
Greetings Hans-Conrad Stamm, Switzerland.
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| From: | John Lindsay <100137.32(at)compuserve.com> |
Hi,
Just a short note to invite all subscribers and friends to the fifth annual
Fly-In of the Grampian Strut of the PFA at Montrose Airfield, Montrose, Scotland
on the 24th and 25th August.
It's usually a good 'do' with our Excellent Venison Burgers, Haggis, and all
other good things Scottish such as a wee dram o' the cratur (for those not
flying immediately after). Accomodation can be arranged or bring a tent.
Please contact me for the Pilot's briefing, frequencies etc.
No landing fees. Mogas can be arranged.
Regards
John Lindsay
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| From: | Larry Boggs <74164.3224(at)compuserve.com> |
Would Europa flyers who have Subaru engines completed and flying please send
some details about the results you have achieved. The more I learn about the
conversion, the less appealing it sounds, particulartly the NSI version here in
the United States. As has been said to me many times, all that glitters is not
gold, and the NSI package certainly glitters.
Thanks,
Larry Boggs
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| From: | Tony Renshaw <renshaw(at)ozemail.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Wing Navlight Wiring |
>Can any of the stateside builders advise on the proper way to run wires
>during wing construction to provide for wingtip position and strobe lights?
> The obvious way of simply stringing wires through a lightening hole doesn't
>seem elegant or good aircraft practice!
>
>Hoping to find some builders who have figured out how best to do this.
>
>Chuck Popenoe
>A36
>
Chuck,
I contacted Europa U.S. and they passed on this info which is a system
designed by builder Kim Prout I believe.
"If you intend to add nav/strobes to the wing tips, a good place to run the
conduit is in the leading edge. This needs to be done prior to gluing the
leading edge cores to the spar.The tubing is run in the core cut-out nearest
the face of the spar. Since the #3 core does not have cut-outs, cut a small
groove on the rear face deep enough for the 1/2 inch tubing. Cut a hole in
each of the wing ribs large enough to pass the tubing through. You can
install the tubing loosely and micro the cores then slide everything
together tightly when bonding to the spar. If this is hard to understand, it
should make sense when you have temporarily placed the leading edge cores on
the spar."
Europa sent me this info, and on the back was a list of required componentry
for a Whelan system and a template for the fin only application. This info
was dutifully and promptly forwarded by the U.S. office who I e-mailed on
Europa(at)gate.net and who followed up with snail mail.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Builder No.236
The Aussie Connection
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Bill Wynne's Fly In |
I have just completed a great day too - couldn't sleep, got up to find
the cat trapped in the garage snuggled up on the wing I had just painted.
Went back to bed. Got up again and spent hours rubbing down the thing. .
Thanks to my lovely wife for providing a well-earned corned-beef sandwich
for lunch. Wing fell off the stand and broke the fairing (again).
Re-primed it all and then a visiting squadron arrived. After an
impressive low pass they decided to land on the newly prepared surface no
doubt attracted by my offer of unlimited isocyanates. Midges make rather
abrupt landings in such visosity. However their sixlegged heavy support
team arrived soon after to attempt to drag them out, despite my
invitation to buzz off. But they necessarily had a bee under each each
bonnet, so they too go stuck. Persuaded them to taxi onto a piece of
cardboard and abandon the operation. 3 more happy hours with solvent. Got
clearance to re-enter the house after agreeing nuclear-level
decontamination procedures, to find two more mod. sheets had arrived.
Connected to the internet and read Graham's message. Just made it a
perfect (though typical) day ...
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | burgh "Festival" Fly-in |
17th-18th Aug. RAF Kirknewton- hard and grass runways - organised by E.of
Scotland PFA strut. Barbecue, fuel, camping. Field is inside Edinburgh
Control Zone so pilots briefing notes are required. Contact Tim Rayner,
0131 443 3807 7-8pm.
gemin
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| From: | Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Bill Wynne's Fly In |
wrote:
> I have just completed a great day too - couldn't sleep, got up to find
> the cat trapped in the garage snuggled up on the wing I had just
painted.
After that I would have reduxed the cat to the main wheel to act as a
shock absorber!
Hope today goes better.
Tony
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Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/07/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 08:22:22 Ph +64 9 358 9124
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| From: | Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz> |
Would it be possible for the person who posted the messages DBASEIII file
to the ftp server to update it. The Europa mailbox on my PC now contains
over 1200 messages that were sent since the last update and I really
would like to dump these and use Excel instead.
Thanking you in advance, your work is greatly appreciated.
Tony
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Date: 08/07/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 13:57:15 Ph +64 9 358 9124
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| From: | Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz> |
| Subject: | 001-5 Hinge Wanted |
Does anyone happen to have 18 inches of MS20001-5 hinge
and hinge pin that they wish to dispose of. I am looking for three
lengths of around six inches apiece so offcuts would be fine. All costs
would of course be reimbursed.
Oh and yes, I do know that I can get it from Aircraft Spruce.
Tony
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Date: 08/07/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 14:01:56 Ph +64 9 358 9124
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| From: | ChuckPops(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | tip navlight wiring and singlehanded rigging |
Many thanks to all who have responded to my request for ideas on routing the
navlight/strobe wires. Since I was laying up the leading edge D-section, I
had to come up with something quickly, and fortunately, what I came up with
seems to be the consensus solution. I found some very lightweight poly
tubing called "header pipe" , brand name "Polytube Gardena" in the garden
section of our local hardware. Total weight for both wings is about 1 lb.
I routed it through the 2nd lightening hole from the spar for reasons I
will discuss in a moment. This means that I had to bore a hole through the
#3 solid core. For this I filed teeth on the end of a 5/8" .035 wall piece
of Alum. tubing, and turned it by hand using a 5/8 hole through the #2 core
rib as a guide. I had to withdraw it after boring about each 2 inches to
knock out the foam core remnants from inside the tube. But, it's only a 10
or 15 minute job in total. To feed the tube through the core hole, I used a
1/2" dowel about 1 m long with a bullet nose on the front end and the back
end forced into the tube, which made the job of feeding this flexible curved
tube into a long rough hole somewhat manageable.
I chose the 2nd lightening hole for the wires because I plan to mount the
nav/strobe lights slightly forward of the spar area of the tip. I have
reserved the wingtip immediately outboard of the spar for my singlehanded
rigging/derigging jig. I plan on glassing in an alum. tube socket through
the small foam block and into the end of the spar, about 8 in. This will
enable me to plug in a welded tubing lightweight 2-wheel cart at the wingtip
which I hope will make singlehanded rigging possible, and maybe even easy.
An additional benefit of the wingtip socket will become evident at
finishing/painting time, as mounting the wing on a rotissary becomes dead
simple. My last project was an Avid Flyer, and I built rotissaries for both
the fuselage and wings, and believe me, they were well worth the effort.
After rigging the Europa, I will poke in a couple of white plastic hole
plugs to fair the sockets and keep them from whistling. (We must keep it
"whisper quiet", you know!)
I have drawings of my planned singlehanded cart, which works well on paper!
I would be interested in hearing of other builder's ideas or experience in
singlehanded rigging.
Chuck Popenoe
A36
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| From: | Peter Thomas <100335.3566(at)compuserve.com> |
I have been asked to forward this message on behalf on Trevor Jackson, the
Europa Club s Social Sec.
EUROPA CLUB FLY-IN
The Europa Club will be holding its first fly-in at Wathstones Farm Strip, Newby
Wiske, Nr Northallerton, North Yorks on Saturday 17th August.
The strip is located 54.16.40 N 1.26.40 W, 3 miles east of RAF Leaming, where
the River Wiske meets the disused railway line, as seen on most good half-mil
charts. Runways 06L, 24R, 450m long, down gradient of 1.3% on 06. Surface is
well mown grass. Low telephone wires 20m from threshold of 24. Avoid overflying
Newby Wiske village. Aircraft attending the fly-in should call Leemimg Zone on
120.50MHz, not their usual LARS frequency.
Were invited to visit RAF Leemings ATC facility, meet the controllers and see
LARS in action. We need to report to the main gate at 13.00. Sadly we can only
go by car, were not permitted to fly in, but therell be plenty of car spaces
for those who fly to Newby Wiske. For security reasons they need to know numbers
of visitors and car registration numbers before the convoy leaves Newby Wiske,
so please advise me when you arrive if youll be going to Leeming.
Other attractions, Europas, Europa people, other aircraft, barbecue ( a late
lunch if youve been to Leeming), Sion Hill Hall stately home and falconry
centre, 10 minutes walk from the strip. All welcome.
Any queries please call Trevor Jackson on 0114 287 6216.
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| From: | Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Messages Dbase file |
Er, you can ignore this one. Having searched further down the list of
files on the server I noted another Dbase file (of different name) which
gave me what I wanted.
Thanks
Tony
> Would it be possible for the person who posted the messages DBASEIII
> file
> to the ftp server to update it.
>
ps
Must have been a cat vs Europa day yesterday. Folowing Grahams experience
with his moggy I got home to discover that my cat had knocked my rudder
off its storage shelf. On impacting the floor it shattered the surface at
the rear tip. The good news is that it is composite and not aluminium -
the repair job is half done already :-)
----------------------------------------------------
Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/08/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 08:03:37 Ph +64 9 358 9124
Visit http://www.kaon.co.nz
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| From: | rowil(at)gn.apc.org (Rowland & Wilma Carson) |
| Subject: | Re: Messages Dbase file |
Tony Krzyzewski wrote
>Would it be possible for the person who posted the messages DBASEIII file
>to the ftp server to update it.
Tony - Pete Thomas did the work on this initially. I'm not sure how often
he plans to update the dBase version, but I have a different solution,
available free for anyone who wants it and can use it.
I considered what might happen as the archive grew, that if Peter simply
added the new messages to the main file, it would get progressively bigger,
and anyone downloading it would be spending a lot of online time getting
repeat copies of the earlier messages. So, despite not wishing to seem
ungrateful for Peter's work in massaging the raw message info, I decided to
set up my own massage service (for personal use only, until now).
Although I keep a copy of the current month's messages in a dedicated
Eudora Mailbox, I don't try to process those messages. Just after the
beginning of each month, I set a "get" request to the robot in control for
the previous month's archive. The file I get back is saved on disc, and
then I run my little massage program on it. (Although I use it in the form
of a Mac application, it's written in C, so it should translate into pretty
much any environment or platform without much hassle.) [Incidentally, my
program also (sorry Avnet!) removes the sponsor's line from the tail of
each message, thus saving quite a bit of space over 1500+ messages. I have
put an acknowledgement in all the screens of my database file, though.] The
result is a tab-delimited text file with 6 fields:
list server timestamp (formatted);
list server datestamp (formatted);
author time
author name
subject string;
message string.
Each record (6 fields) is separated by a newline character. This
tab-delimited format will plug into just about anything anyone uses for
data management (even Excel :-)). I use FileMaker on the Mac, but you can
use your own favourite tool.
So, now, I can download each month's messages and add them to my existing
FileMaker database (now at about 2.1M including July's stuff).
Now that I've offended both the sponsor & poor Peter who spends quite a bit
of time keeping this list on the rails, the question is - does anyone want
the Mac application or the C source so they can do their own massaging? If
so, what's best? Should I put it up on the ftp site (no, no need, since
it's a text file), or ask Monu to put it among the text files retrievable
by e-mail? Or should I just send it direct by e-mail to anyone who asks for
it? I guess it depends on how many ask - maybe what I'll do is put it up
for e-mail download if more than 2 people ask for it. The source is only
about 12k, and that includes over 70 lines of my deathless prose as
comments! NO, I shan't post it to the list!
Well, enough about computer stuff, back to Europas.
cheers
Rowland
... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| From: | eg PATE <70773.1275(at)compuserve.com> |
Did Ivan have his BMW engine demo running at your Cranfield Fly In as planned?
Information is slow getting to the colonies.
Skip
A009
Charlotte NC USA
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| From: | dbosomworth(at)meto.gov.uk |
Hello Skip, you wrote:-
>Did Ivan have his BMW engine demo running at your Cranfield Fly In as planned?
>Information is slow getting to the colonies.
In Newsletter 14 (July 96) the plans for the BMW engine are-
1. initial runs late august
2. after 50 sucessful hours of ground running, a total stripdown of engine and
gearbox
3. then, a 50 hour flight test prog.
After seeing the engine at Cranfield, on the front cockpit
section which will be used for ground running, i am very interested to
see what the results are. The engine is fuel injected, so no carb
icing problems, has electronic ignition, and looked a very neat
installation. Spares should be cheaper than Rotax too.
chus, dave
kit67
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| From: | Steven A Eberhart <newtech(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Propper Europa pets, was: Messages Dbase file |
On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Tony Krzyzewski wrote:
> Must have been a cat vs Europa day yesterday. Folowing Grahams experience
> with his moggy I got home to discover that my cat had knocked my rudder
> off its storage shelf. On impacting the floor it shattered the surface at
> the rear tip. The good news is that it is composite and not aluminium -
> the repair job is half done already :-)
>
I can highly recommend Scottish Terriers, short legs so they can't jump
too high and aren't very good at climbing onto work shelves or tables,
but, they look good in pictures sitting on white airplanes.
Steve
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| From: | bill(at)wynne.co.uk |
| Subject: | ards & Panel labels |
and the panel labels in it were superb (as is the rest of the aircraft).
landline number: 01252-877046 and he is doing mine now.
one off jobs like Europas.
So file this away for the day you need it.
on her first flight and we hope to cool her down soon!
Bill W-Wynne N52=B036.7' W004=B004.5' (N Wales) 01654 710101/2/3(fax)
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| From: | jerry <jerry(at)flyinghi.demon.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel alarms |
In your message dated Monday 5, August 1996 you wrote :
> Is it true that alarms on the instrument panel can be set off the standard
> gauges supplied by Europa? ie oil temp, oil pres, CHT etc?
>
We supply an instrument called the EIS. It is a digital engine instrument and
can be programmed to set off an alarm when engine functions exceed operating
limits (set by the user).
This instrument uses many of the standard 912 engine senders that are included
with the Rotax 912.
If you are interested you can see some details on the Web page
http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown
it may need updating
Please note new large screen version !
Altimeter / VSI option
Under test new low cost fuel flow sender !
If you would like details by mail please send me your address
Jerry
**************** FlyingHi - Wish I was ****************
>>>>UK distributor for Arplast Composite propellers<<<<
>>>>>>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown <<<<<<<<
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| From: | ians(at)avnet.co.uk (Ian Seager) |
| Subject: | Re: Subaru Update |
>Would Europa flyers who have Subaru engines completed and flying please send
>some details about the results you have achieved. The more I learn about the
>conversion, the less appealing it sounds, particulartly the NSI version here in
>the United States. As has been said to me many times, all that glitters is not
>gold, and the NSI package certainly glitters.
>
As a builder who has yet to choose the bit that goes up front, can you tell
me what you have found out about teh Subaru that you don't like?
Ian
Ian Seager FLYER Magazine, 3 Kingsmead Square, Bath, BA1 2AB
Tel: 01225 481440 Fax: 01225 481262
http://www.avnet.co.uk/flyer/flyhome.html
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
Hi Skip,
No the BMW hasn't run yet so far as I know but it should be fairly soon.
Graham
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| From: | jerry <jerry(at)flyinghi.demon.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel alarms |
In your message dated Monday 5, August 1996 you wrote :
> Is it true that alarms on the instrument panel can be set off the standard
> gauges supplied by Europa? ie oil temp, oil pres, CHT etc?
>
We supply an instrument called the EIS. It is a digital engine instrument and
can be programmed to set off an alarm when engine functions exceed operating
limits (set by the user).
This instrument uses many of the standard 912 engine senders that are included
with the Rotax 912.
If you are interested you can see some details on the Web page
http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown
it may need updating
Please note new large screen version !
Altimeter / VSI option
Under test new low cost fuel flow sender !
If you would like details by mail please send me your address
Jerry
**************** FlyingHi - Wish I was ****************
>>>>UK distributor for Arplast Composite propellers<<<<
>>>>>>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown <<<<<<<<
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| From: | "Richard Samulis" <rs(at)ukmail1.cv.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Europa to Aussie Costs |
G'Day from UpOver Tony,
thanks for the info!
Apart from the Europa option, I'm looking at designing and building
from scratch.
Do you know
a) if Oz regs permit this? and
b) which authority controls this ?(equivalent of FAA in USA, PFA in UK
I guess)........and how I can contact them.
For info, I recently took a look at Bob Fairall's Europa (he lives
near me in Surrey) - he's about half way through, and it does look
NICE!!!
Richard Samulis
rs(at)ukmail1.cv.com
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Europa to Aussie Costs
Date: 28/07/96 12:10
As an expat Aussie living in the UK yearning after the space and sun,
I'm considering heading back down under and starting a kit there.
Can any of my compatriot builders tell me:
Sorry to the other readers but your e-mail didn't work direct for some reason!
Gidday from Downunder Richard,
The tail kit will cost you about $750.00 AUD to sea freight out. Then you'll
have to insure it which will cost about $52.00. Then customs clearances
which will be about $120.00, and road transport and its insurance increment
from the port to your home. I recently got a quote from Europa for a part
share in a container for any future stages I may choose to purchase. The
tail kit by the way cost me $6000.00 approx(2900.00 Pounds).
A wing kit 3800.00 Pounds
Packing 40.00
Crating 115.00
Insurance 16.00
Delivery approx 423.00
Fuselage Kit 5200.00
Packing 60.00
Crating 435.00
Insurance 21.00
Delivery 696.00
If both purchased together
Wing kit 3800.00
Fuse " 5200.00
Packing 100.00
Crating 435.00
Insurance 36.00
Delivery 1078.00
If both were sent in a container
Wing kit 3800.00
Fuse " 5200.00
Packing 160.00
Insurance 36.00
Delivery 700.00
The biggest problems Australian builders have had has been with damage
enroute i.e. in the "consolidated containers" ( a mixed container with other
shipping companies stores all combined)
Now that Europa are offering dedicated containering as an option this should
minimise damage.
I hope this helps and I'm happy to answer any other queries, homever I fly
for Qantas and as such I spend a lot of time away, so it may take a few days
before I get a message, and then a few more occasionally to get around to
answering it.
Good luck in making a decision, but I'll give you a tip. "Find the money for
a tail kit and JUST BUY IT!! Then the next steps will be easier as you are
already on the bandwagon. This was my strategy anyway, as well as the fact
that I didn't want to retire in 20 years and be kicking myself that I never
commited to this aircraft building dream business!!!
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Builder No. 236
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| From: | Peter.Thomas(at)burton.co.uk |
| Subject: | pa Chat Message Database |
Thanks to Rowland and Tony for reminding me about the archived
messages.
It was obvious as soon as I posted the original dBase III file that it
would be immediately out of date. Also the task of refreshing it every
month would soon become a drag. There was also the assumption that
people had the tools and the skill to set up a database to make it
useful.
To overcome the problems described above I have written a simple stand
alone database that overcomes the problems described above. It's
called eurochat.zip and can be found at ftp.avnet.co.uk (pub/europa).
It runs on Windows 3.1/95/NT. (Sorry no Mac version Rowland, but then
I don't think you would need it )
Like the message archive before it it strips out all the e-mail header
info. However, it adds a sorting and searching facility that makes it
very easy to search for information. You can also edit the messages to
tidy them up or even delete them totally.
I had given it to about 6 beta testers (real Europa builders) several
months ago and as they have not got back to me I can only assume it is
relatively bug free or they don't use it ! Remember, there is no such
thing as bug free software.
One word of warning it is big ! Approx. 2.2 meg so you will need a
fast connection or BT shares to download it. It is big because it
includes all messages to June.
That's all for now, please e-mail me, Peter Thomas at
100335.3566(at)compuserve.com if you have any problems to report or
requests for enhancements.
Good Luck
Pete
PS. The list was one year old last month. Happy Birthday and thanks
again Monu.
PPS. Below are the readme instructions to give you a bit more
information before you decide to download it.....
PPPS. After unzipping it just run setup.exe
PLEASE READ ALL THESE INSTRUCTIONS !!!!
(1) How To Import
In order to use this system you first need to IMPORT the archived
e-mail messages. There are well over 1000 included with this setup
disc. To import them you should click the Import button above. You
will then be presented with a file open dialogue. Open the RAWDATA
directory. You should then see a list of the monthly archived
messages. Select the month you wish to import, one at a time and click
OK.
The system will then import all the messages into the Europa Chat
database. When doing so, all the e-mail header information will be
removed just leaving relevant information.
Each month you can request the AVnet computer to send you updates by
sending an e-mail to the request address. europa-request(at)avnet.co.uk).
The subject does not matter but the body of the message should
contain...
get europa europa.YYMM (where YY = the year and MM = month)
For example to request messages for June 96, send....
get europa europa.9606
Save the returned file as euro9606.msg in the raw data directory and
then just import it as described above.
(2) How To Sort
Click the 'sort by' drop-down box and select the sequence you wish to
see the messages displayed in. Selecting this control will remove any
filters you have active.
(3) How to Filter
If you wish to search for a particular piece of text in ANY field
click the filter button. Enter the text you wish to search for and in
which field then click OK. The system will then search every message
and display the subset of records that match the filter criteria.
(4) How to Edit
When no filters are active you can edit any message by double clicking
the row in the grid that contains the message you wish to edit. This
will allow you to tidy up messy e-mails and even delete them all
together.
(5) The splitter bar.
Between the grid of message headers and the message text itself is a
splitter bar. By using the mouse it is possible to adjust how much of
each message you display.
(6) Nonsense license agreement.
User Obligations.
User assumes full responsibility that this program meets the
specifications, capacity, capabilities, and other requirements of said
user, and agrees not to bother the author if the program does not
perform as expected, or performs other than expected, or does not
perform at all.
User assumes full responsibility for any deaths or injuries that may
result from the normal or abnormal operation of this program. In the
event of casualties exceeding 1000 persons or property damage in
excess of US$10 million, user agrees that he or she has stolen the
program and I didn't even know he or she had it.
User agrees not to say bad things about the program or the author to
anyone claiming to be from "60 minutes".
Limited Warranty.
For a period of 90 seconds, commencing from the time you first thought
about getting this program, I warrant that this program may or may not
be free of any manufacturing defects. It will be replaced during the
warranty period upon payment of an amount equal to the original
purchase price plus US$100 for handling. This warranty is void if the
program has been examined or run by the user, or if the documentation
has been read.
This program is distributed on an AS WAS basis. The author makes no
warranty that this is, in fact, what I say it is in my propaganda, or
that it will perform any useful function. I have no obligation
whatsoever other than to provide you with this fine disclaimer.
Some countries do not allow limitations as to how long an implied
warranty lasts, so I refuse to imply anything.
There is an extremely small but non-zero chance that, through a
process known as "tunnelling", this program may spontaneously
disappear from its present location and reappear at any random place
in the universe, including your neighbours computer system. The
author will not be responsible for any damages or inconvenience that
may result.
Limitation of liability.
I have no liability or responsibility to the user, the user's agents,
my creditors, your creditors, or anyone else.
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
Have you noticed how the flaps/outriggers fall in and out as you move the
wings about ? with danger to limb if not life. Have you also damage your
wing fairings, (as I have twice!). A simple jig can fix both these
possibilities. Make a 5ft by 18" ply board for each wing carrying a hole
for the spar and three stubs or tubes with holes at right angles for the
2 wing pins and flap pin. Trapped onto the spar with the spar pins,(like
a dummy fuselage side) this will a) stop the flap from moving, b) protect
the fairings, and c) enable the wing to be laid in a stable state either
flat or trailing edge down. The latter will be particularly useful for
shaping/spraying the leading edge. Very handy for single-handed
manipulation too.
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
Tony writes
<>
Wouldn't work ! As with the wing, he would depart leaving his (F)rangible
(U)ppermost (R)eticule behind. Could survive eight landings anyway !
and on <> it didn't...
If while painting the wings you turn them over too soon, you get two
inverted bar-stools attached to the top surface. S'pose it's ok if you do
it both sides. Perhaps Graham 1 will make some fairings for them.
I'll keep the cat though, he inspects the tail assembly each day from
within. Must get one of Steve's Scotch terriers too - tortoiseshell only
matches the bits he has modified !
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: EUROPA CLUB FLY-IN |
and then come on up to the Edinburgh Festival Fly-in - that's on Sat. AND
Sunday (as posted in message 1849).
gemin
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| From: | Rolph Muller <100031.533(at)compuserve.com> |
This really does make life easy - and it's for free!! I did tell Peter to charge
for it but there you go. He and his wife are embarked on a project which will
become even more expensive than a Europa!!!!! Yes it is possible.
Any way back to Eurochat - the only problem I have had so far is downloading
9606. I requested this at the same time as 9607. They both were sent , but 9606
appeared as a DAT file for some reason.
Great program - many thanks Peter!!
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| From: | ChuckPops(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Europa Chat Message Database |
Peter:
Congratulations on a fantastic service you have contributed in Eurochat! I
have just downloaded this beautiful windows-based program and am impressed
and delighted! Eurochat looks and feels like it came out of Microsoft ( I
really intend this to be a compliment). I had been browsing the archived
database using Access, with many problems and unnecessary nonsense.
My only suggestion-- it would be an improvement IMHO to have a "Delete
Record" button on the main page. I delete all trivial and chatty messages
immediately upon reading as unworthy of taking up valuable disk space!
Many thanks again!!!!
Chuck Popenoe
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| From: | ChuckPops(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Drawings of single handed cart. |
Hi, Denys:
If you would like copies of the drawings, please send a self-addressed
stamped envelope (1 oz. postage) to me at:
Chuck Popenoe
6307 Wiscasset Road
Bethesda, MD 20816-2111
USA
I have met Don Huot at Sun'n'Fun and have discussed with him his self-rigging
scheme. IMHO I prefer mine, as it is more compact and less bother. But, of
course, we are all stuck on our own ideas!
Hope to see you building soon!
Chuck Popenoe
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
Following the visit of the midges (21's ?) I had a real aviation expert
arrive yesterday - a sparrowhawk made a low level intrusion ! Not sure if
he was just interested in the Europa aerodynamics or intent on a
premptive strike against the threatening intruder to his(her) domain.
The forward weapons system seemed formidable (aside from any internal
stores) so I decided to beekareful. You should have seen the vertical
take-off !... something to do with the powered undercarriage I think
(Ivan?)
BTW G-EMIN will be trailed on the roads this weekend but insurance
companies seem coy about this aspect - anyone had this problem ?
gemin
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Drawings of single handed cart. |
How about a .dxf for the ftp. If you don't "have the technology" I will
do it for you if you send hard copy. I have one based on golf buggy
wheels but its a converted kid's gocart and not very elegant.
gemin
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| From: | ians(at)avnet.co.uk (Ian Seager) |
| Subject: | Re: Drawings of single handed cart. |
>How about a .dxf for the ftp. If you don't "have the technology" I will
>do it for you if you send hard copy. I have one based on golf buggy
>wheels but its a converted kid's gocart and not very elegant.
>
>gemin
I haven't really thought about it yet, and I don't have any solutions...but
if anyone is thinking about one man rigging aids, I would recomend a trip
to your local gliding site...some private owners will have devised a
method...
Ian
Ian Seager FLYER Magazine, 3 Kingsmead Square, Bath, BA1 2AB
Tel: 01225 481440 Fax: 01225 481262
http://www.avnet.co.uk/flyer/flyhome.html
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| From: | SIMON LONGSTAFF <100647.1543(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Rigging aids. |
The enclosed trailer built by Roger Huttlestone has rigging aids designed by a
glider pilot. Seems to work OK. Anyone interested can contact him on 01386
700709. Otherwise take a look at mine currently residing in Aero Developments
hangar at Kemble
Simon Longstaff
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skypilot <skypilot(at)ozemail.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Drawings of single handed cart. |
ChuckPops(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi, Denys:
>
> If you would like copies of the drawings, please send a self-addressed
> stamped envelope (1 oz. postage) to me at:
>
> Chuck Popenoe
> 6307 Wiscasset Road
> Bethesda, MD 20816-2111
> USA
>
> I have met Don Huot at Sun'n'Fun and have discussed with him his self-rigging
> scheme. IMHO I prefer mine, as it is more compact and less bother. But, of
> course, we are all stuck on our own ideas!
>
> Hope to see you building soon!
>
> Chuck Popenoe
Thanks for the reply Chuck, I will get an envelope to you, hopefully the
Australian stamps will be OK.
BTW what is IMHO?
Regards Denys Gover
Canberra Australia.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | skypilot <skypilot(at)ozemail.com.au> |
Graham Singleton wrote:
>
> Hi Skip,
> No the BMW hasn't run yet so far as I know but it should be fairly soon.
> Graham
>
Hello all,
Here's the go, forget the BMW; why not a diesel in the Europa?
I read an article, Zoche Diesels, in the June PILOT magazine (UK) about
a Germam, Michael Zoche "developing a new generation of turbocharged
diesels for light aircraft running on cheap jet fuel" it goes on to say
"they offer enormous potential - but there are problems." (:-{
They claim a 172/cherokee 160 would have a near 1,000 mile range!
The benefits: no valves to burn out; no icing; no magnetos to fail; no
plugs to foul; for the engine no electrics at all (although they do
write about "The injection pressures have risen from a few hundred psi
to 20,00psi - and 40,000psi is in prospect. Electronic control increases
precision.")
They claim a compact aircooled four cylinder turbo-charged direct drive
radial would produce 150 hp (would the europa be able to handle that?);
two cylinders 90hp and 8 cylinder radial 300hp (how would the europa
look with an 8 cylinder radial up front? M E A N!!! (how about 2
cylinders then?) From what they say the engines are quite compact.
Food for thought? Get the magazine, read the article it seems to make a
great deal of sense.
Denys Gover
Canberra Australia
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Martin <mberner(at)wow.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Drawings of single handed cart. |
skypilot wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply Chuck, I will get an envelope to you, hopefully the
> Australian stamps will be OK.
Isn't it a little likely that Oz stamps will be useful in the USA
??? I run into this trouble too - but I send IRCs or US stamps !
>
> BTW what is IMHO?
> "In my humble opinion"
TTFN
Regards,
Martin
Martin W. Berner,
26 Mayfield Road, Valsayn Park, Trinidad, The West Indies
Live Long and Prosper !
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Martin <mberner(at)wow.net> |
skypilot wrote:
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Here's the go, forget the BMW; why not a diesel in the Europa?
>
> I read an article, Zoche Diesels, in the June PILOT magazine (UK) about
> a Germam, Michael Zoche "developing a new generation of turbocharged
> diesels for light aircraft running on cheap jet fuel" it goes on to say
> "they offer enormous potential - but there are problems." (:-{
I have to think that there must be some serious unsolved problems
! I saw the
Zoche at Oshkosh 1993, static, not running and can't help but think that if it
can live up to its
claims then it should by now be THE engine of choice for General Aviation.
Does anyone know more about it ? It's a beautiful idea but
can the two
turbocharger's work happily for long ?
Martin
>
Martin W. Berner,
26 Mayfield Road, Valsayn Park, Trinidad, The West Indies
Live Long and Prosper !
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Christoph Steiner <csteiner(at)spin.ch> |
--------------7D44698429A8
"Gut Ding will Weile haben"
I am following the development of the Zoche diesel-engines since many
years. After reading an article about the engine in a german aviation
magazine I contacted Michael Zoche in spring 1989 and his estimate
then was, it would take at least two more years until they start
production. Two years later I had the opportunity to talk to him in
Oshkosh, production was still two years away. Guess how far away from
production they were, when I called them two years later.
Part of the delay is certainly due to some bureaucrats from the german
aviation authorities ("Luftfahrtbundesamt"). The way they treated
Zoche must have been a real nightmare.
For more information you don't have to buy a magazine, get online and
check out the Zoche aero-diesel Homepage.
Christoph
--------------7D44698429A8
Zoche aero-diesel Homepage
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ZOCHE AERO-DIESELS
MICHAEL ZOCHE ANTRIEBSTECHNIK
KEFERSTRASSE 13 - 80802 MUENCHEN - GERMANY
TEL. (+49 89) 344591 - FAX (+49 89) 342451
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The very compact Zoche aero-diesel incorporates the latest cylinder technology
as well as refinements like tungsten couterweights and full aerobatic pressure
lubrication. The Zoche aero-diesel's high efficiency reduces the amount of rejected
heat, thereby minimizing cooling air requirements. Cooling problems are
further reduced by the fact that there are no areas in this diesel engine which
demand such exact cooling as the cylinder head of a spark ignited engine. Charge
air pressure is generated by a combination of a highly efficient mechanical
blower and a turbocharger. This reduces power loss at altitude. Recent improvements
include a proprietary pneumatic starter system which uses the gear driven
supercharger as a starter turbine. The fuel injection pump together with
its feed pump, the fuel filter and all connecting plumbing are integrated into
the crankcase assembly. The intake manifold is a part of the crankcase casting,
further reducing the parts count and improving reliability. In 1992 the project
was awarded the prestigious Philip Morris research Prize.
The diesel engine has demonstrated the lowest specific fuel comsuption of any prime
mover (as low as .26 lb/hp hr for large two-stroke marine diesels)=2E It
uses fuel which is cheaper and still contains more energy per gallon than gasoline
or avgas. There were diesel aircraft engines decades ago (Guiberson, Packard,
Rolls-Royce, Clerget, Fiat).
Following these almost forgotten examples we are developing a new piston engine
for the general aviation: the Zoche aero-diesel.
It is a radial engine with 4 cylinders per row. It is a direct drive, highly charged,
direct fuel injected, air cooled two-stroke cycle diesel.
Compared to opposed-cylinder, spark ignited aircraft engines, Zoche aero-diesels
offer many advantages:
The engine has half the specific weight, half the frontal area and burns less
fuel. This leads to remarkable improvements of aircraft parameters: payload,
range and speed will be markedly better.
Environmentally progressive - low CO2 emissions due to low fuel consumption,
low NOx due to two stroke principle, low soot and unburnt hydrocarbon emissions
due to modern high pressure injection. Diesel and jet fuels contain no toxic
substances like lead, benzene or scavengers.
Very low noise emission due to two-stroke and turbocharging.
No electromagnetic interference.
Very low vibration level - the 4 cylinder bank can be 100% balanced for all
rotating and reciprocating inertias. Torque vibration is minimal due to one power
pulse per cylinder per revolution.
Greatly reduced fuel costs - engine burns fewer lb/hp hr; diesel or jet fuel
has more lb/gallon and costs less per gallon.
Easy to operate - one power level only. No mixture, no alternate air, no aux
fuel pump, no magneto switches, no mandatory temperature, boost or power restrictions.
Good reliability and low maintenance costs due to the lack of a reduction drive,
the very low parts count and the use of reliable diesel components.
High inflight reliability - no carburetor-icing, no magneto or spark-plug problems,
no vapor lock. Turbine inlet temperature is so low that it needs no monitoring.
Even cylinder head temperatures are not critical.
Safe electrical power - directly driven overload protected brushless alternator
- no belts, gears, or bearings.
Reduced 'hot and high' problems - sealevel power at least up to 9,000 feet.
Full aerobatic pressure lubrication.
Reliable starting at low temperatures - patented pneumatic start system provides
instant manifold pressure. Cold start and acceleration to 2,500 rpm within
a second has been demontrated. Start air reservoirs is refilled by a manifold
air driven free piston pump. If necessary this pump can be operated on any
2 bar (28 psi) air supply. A fully automatic prelubrication system is standard.
Dramatically reduced fire hazard - diesel fuel has a much lower flammability.
Exhaust manifold temperature is about 720 F lower.
Our Engines
ZO 01A (150 hp)
ZO 02A (300 hp)
ZO 03A (70 hp)
For more information about our company, please send us an e-mail or visit us : like always we'll be at Oshkosh '96 =2E
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| From: | ians(at)avnet.co.uk (Ian Seager) |
We also covered the Zoche diesel a while ago, but, from what I can find out
there is a long long long way to go. I have spoken to some people who I
respect and who have had meetings with Dr Zoche, not to put too fine a
point on it, don't hold your breath...
Ian
>
>Here's the go, forget the BMW; why not a diesel in the Europa?
>
>I read an article, Zoche Diesels, in the June PILOT magazine (UK) about
>a Germam, Michael Zoche "developing a new generation of turbocharged
>diesels for light aircraft running on cheap jet fuel" it goes on to say
>"they offer enormous potential - but there are problems." (:-{
>
>They claim a 172/cherokee 160 would have a near 1,000 mile range!
>
>The benefits: no valves to burn out; no icing; no magnetos to fail; no
>plugs to foul; for the engine no electrics at all (although they do
>write about "The injection pressures have risen from a few hundred psi
>to 20,00psi - and 40,000psi is in prospect. Electronic control increases
>precision.")
>
>They claim a compact aircooled four cylinder turbo-charged direct drive
>radial would produce 150 hp (would the europa be able to handle that?);
>two cylinders 90hp and 8 cylinder radial 300hp (how would the europa
>look with an 8 cylinder radial up front? M E A N!!! (how about 2
>cylinders then?) From what they say the engines are quite compact.
>
>Food for thought? Get the magazine, read the article it seems to make a
>great deal of sense.
>
>Denys Gover
>Canberra Australia
>
Ian Seager FLYER Magazine, 3 Kingsmead Square, Bath, BA1 2AB
Tel: 01225 481440 Fax: 01225 481262
http://www.avnet.co.uk/flyer/flyhome.html
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| From: | Kerry Lamb <kerrylamb(at)worldnet.att.net> |
>Here's the go, forget the BMW; why not a diesel in the Europa?
>
FYI Zoche has an interesting web site http://193.26.97.194/ BUT although
his arguments are interesting and to a degree persuasive two questions to
ask yourself are:
Do I really want to be the one of the first pilots to depend on this brand
new engine design?
and:
If I had the money in my pocket right now could I wire it to him and have an
engine shipped to me from a running production line?
The Rotax and the BMW might not be quite as high tech, they are available
and they have established track records.
Kerry
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| From: | CPattinson(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | h Yorkshire fly in |
We were rather surprised not to have heard about this event. Did anyone go to
the FIRST Europa fly in last weekend. If so how was it. Surely Graham S must
have made it, hopefully most of the other 20 or so flying Europas.
Watching this space
Carl P
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| From: | ChuckPops(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Drawings of single handed cart. |
Denys:
Save your Australian stamps, as they aren't accepted by our finicky postal
system. Hopefully, we can get the sketches on the net as a DXF file. Be
patient!
Chuck Popenoe
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
We've been waiting for the Zoche diesel for years. It never seems to get any
nearer.
Graham
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | h Yorkshire fly in |
Yes I did make it. As did Jon Tye, Jim Naylor and the Europa OLM, Ivan in Dotty.
Jim's partners flew in too in the 4 seat Robin, or is it a Jodel? and swopped
for the return. Good to see Jim and Brenda enjoying the aeroplane after the
early hickup. Trevor's organisation was well up to his now familiar standard and
a few people drove in. Rolf, for one.
We had a very illuminating visit to RAF Leeming ATC unit. It always helps to
know the other guy's problems. I still wish a few more Atcos were pilots...
Sadly we didn't manage to fit in the visit to see the falcons flying. No time.
I
did manage to give Charlie Laverty some stick time in GK Whip. His first ride
was a disappointment, I suspect, no horizon and I forgot to provide a cushion so
he wouldn't have seen it anyway. Second flight later in the evening we stayed
low level and had the cushion, so he and the aeroplane were noticeably much
more relaxed. Trevor came next and had the pleasure of Dotty on our wingtip on
her way back to Womblington.
It would have been nice to see more people flying in but the weather across the
midlands wasn't so nice, vis wise. Nevertheless I think Trevor was well
satisfied that his (and Helen's) efforts were certainly not in vain.
It was lovely to visit another excellent farm strip and sample Northern
hospitality. Joan and I stayed in a superb B&B farmhouse with Charlie and Gilian
and flew back Sunday morning. Into a 25 kt headwind :-(
BTW, the bump moderator is getting better. I'm down to 10% or less bounce to
landing ratio, ;-)
Graham
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| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | ial cooling for Rotax ? |
The following table appears in the 912 Rotax Installation Instruction
Manual p.7. Sept 89 issue (as supplied with my engine this year)
Temp data
coolant freezing point deg C
100% glycol -14
80% glycol/water -38
60% glycol/water -50
See where its leading ?
0% glycol/water i.e. water -60 at least !
May I ask where to get this stuff ?
I wonder about the rest of the information in the book now.
gemin
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| From: | jerry <jerry(at)flyinghi.demon.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel alarms |
In your message dated Monday 5, August 1996 you wrote :
> Is it true that alarms on the instrument panel can be set off the standard
> gauges supplied by Europa? ie oil temp, oil pres, CHT etc?
>
We supply an instrument called the EIS. It is a digital engine instrument and
can be programmed to set off an alarm when engine functions exceed operating
limits (set by the user).
This instrument uses many of the standard 912 engine senders that are included
with the Rotax 912.
If you are interested you can see some details on the Web page
http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown
it may need updating
Please note new large screen version !
Altimeter / VSI option
Under test new low cost fuel flow sender !
If you would like details by mail please send me your address
Jerry
**************** FlyingHi - Wish I was ****************
>>>>UK distributor for Arplast Composite propellers<<<<
>>>>>>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown <<<<<<<<
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| From: | Peter Davis <101621.3070(at)compuserve.com> |
I have been told by someone in the know that there are two new visuses around
against which there are not any effective programmes and which are specifically
written for transmission/propagation via E-mail.
The subject to look for in the title headings are 'Good Times' and 'PKZIP
300.ZIP'. Apparently both these can transmit by not only getting onto your
computer, but they read your address book and past addressees and sent
themselves to all those others. Clever, eh!
They trash your hard disk and apparently one of them sets up some sort of binary
loop that stuffs the processor as well, although I forget which one (not that it
necessarily matters).
I suppose that the only thing we can do to protect against these is to read the
headings of our mail before downloading it all (unlike my present method), and
if a suspect heading is noticed, then delete it before downloading the rest.
Hope nobody has any problems, 'cos we could all have it then!
Luv & kisses,
Peter Davis
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| From: | Peter Davis <101621.3070(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel alarms |
Read a lot about panel alarms recently on the 'net. What's wrong with Mk1
eyeball and the usual instruments, or are they old hat these days?
Peter.
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| From: | Matt Lawrence <matt(at)access.digex.net> |
This is an urban legend. No such virus exists. Please do not spead this
any further.
-- Matt
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | ial cooling for Rotax ? |
>>100% glycol -14
80% glycol/water -38
60% glycol/water -50 See where its leading ? 0% glycol/water i.e. water
-60 at least<<
Nope. dig out your physical chemistry notes. It starts to rise again at 50%
Most of us seem to be running at 75% glycol or thereabouts. The compromise is
boiling point related. Glycol boils at around 170 deg, which is why Rotax hint
at its peferability. Something to do with suspect hot spots in the heads.
Trouble is conductivity and flow rate tend to be worse.
Anything to add Duncan?
Graham
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel alarms |
>>What's wrong with Mk1 eyeball and the usual instruments<<
Nothing, however the eye can only watch one thing at a time. The electronix can
watch 6 or 10 paramaters simultaneously and allow the eye to monitor the other
6
or 10. Sure reduces the workload.
Graham
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| From: | Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz> |
the following may be of interest to those who are up to finishing stage
or those looking for corrosion protection for their aluminum components.
System Three in the USA manufacture a range of water reduceable coatings
for aluminum, glass, and wood. unlike other surface coatings these other
products have minimal health and environmental impact.
The main products that will be of interest to europa builders are as
follows.
WR-COR
This is a corrosion inhibitor that is used instead of zinc chromate.
The normal corrosion protection technique of phosphoric acid etching
followed by alodine is used and then this is covered with the two part
WR-COR product. once this is complete a finishing coat of WR-LPU is
used. WT-COR may be applied with a paint brush or with a spray gun.
Being water reduceable the thickness of the coating can be easily
controlled.
WR-155 is epoxy primer for composites. Again it is a water reduceable
product which allows it to be used safely at home.
WR-LPU is a final coat treatment and is available in over 150 colours. A
high gloss finish can be achieved by understanding with a clear coat.
System Three are also a very useful source of epoxy tools and associated
products including CAB-O-SIL.
You can find more information about their system at
http://www.systemthree.com.
I haven't tried their products yet but intend using their corrosion
inhibitor on my europa as I have concerns about zinc chromate following
recent studies indicating that it had carcinogenic properties and that
Aircraft Spruce will no longer supply the product to home builders.
Regards
Tony
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Date: 08/22/96 Auckland, New Zealand
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| Subject: | Re: Special cooling for Rotax ? |
Gemin,
The numbers you quote are exactly correct, antifreeze, as
we call it in Canada, stayes in a liquid state at a much lower temperature
when mixed with water than it does undeluted.
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| From: | John Cliff <jfc(at)oasis.icl.co.uk> |
'Good Times' is a hoax (though I wish our products could achieve the kind
of visibility that it has achieved!).
PKZIP300 is not a hoax. The latest genuine version of PKZIP is 2.04g. If
you come across a purported version 3.00, bin it - on no account try to
run it.
It will do no harm just by reaching your mailbox or your PC by email,
providing you do not run it.
John Cliff
#0259
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| From: | jerry <jerry(at)flyinghi.demon.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel alarms |
In your message dated Monday 5, August 1996 you wrote :
> Is it true that alarms on the instrument panel can be set off the standard
> gauges supplied by Europa? ie oil temp, oil pres, CHT etc?
>
We supply an instrument called the EIS. It is a digital engine instrument and
can be programmed to set off an alarm when engine functions exceed operating
limits (set by the user).
This instrument uses many of the standard 912 engine senders that are included
with the Rotax 912.
If you are interested you can see some details on the Web page
http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown
it may need updating
Please note new large screen version !
Altimeter / VSI option
Under test new low cost fuel flow sender !
If you would like details by mail please send me your address
Jerry
**************** FlyingHi - Wish I was ****************
>>>>UK distributor for Arplast Composite propellers<<<<
>>>>>>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown <<<<<<<<
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| From: | Harry Davis <harry(at)eng.hlp.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel alarms |
jerry wrote:
>
> In your message dated Monday 5, August 1996 you wrote :
> > Is it true that alarms on the instrument panel can be set off the standard
> > gauges supplied by Europa? ie oil temp, oil pres, CHT etc?
> >
> We supply an instrument called the EIS. It is a digital engine instrument and
> can be programmed to set off an alarm when engine functions exceed operating
> limits (set by the user).
>
> This instrument uses many of the standard 912 engine senders that are included
> with the Rotax 912.
>
> If you are interested you can see some details on the Web page
>
> http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown
>
> it may need updating
>
> Please note new large screen version !
> Altimeter / VSI option
> Under test new low cost fuel flow sender !
>
> If you would like details by mail please send me your address
>
> Jerry
>
> **************** FlyingHi - Wish I was ****************
> >>>>UK distributor for Arplast Composite propellers<<<<
> >>>>>>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown <<<<<<<<
>
Are the alarm annunciations audible and visible?
Harry
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| From: | Gunnar Thaden <thaden(at)boellhoff.lili.uni-bielefeld.de> |
Hello, please see our web pages
http//www.boellhoff.de
best regards
gunnar thaden
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| From: | Peter Davis <101621.3070(at)compuserve.com> |
Matt Lawrence writes:-
This is an urban legend. No such virus exists. Please do not spead this
any further.
-- Matt
Where do you get your info from? Mine comes from someone in the software
business who's firm is continuously updated with the latest info on everything,
including viruses.
As he is in the business of writing software he has to know what the latest
dangers are, so I would be most interested to know how you are able to give such
a positive dismissal to such a potential problem.
Regards
Peter
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| From: | Peter Davis <101621.3070(at)compuserve.com> |
>>Matt Lawrence writes:-
This is an urban legend. No such virus exists. Please do not spead this
any further.<<
As my information comes from someone in the software business who in constantly
updated with the latest information I would be very interested to know how you
can dismiss such a warning with such aplomb.
Regards,
Peter
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| From: | rowil(at)gn.apc.org (Rowland & Wilma Carson) |
| Subject: | Chesbrough, where are you? |
Sorry to bother the whole list with this, but I'd like to contact John
Chesbrough in Australia, who e-mailed me for Europa Club info recently, but
the return address on his e-mail was broken (it was somewhere on
Compuserve).
If you're listening, John, please try to reach me again, but fix the
configuration on your e-mail or browser application first!
cheers
Rowland
... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| From: | rowil(at)gn.apc.org (Rowland & Wilma Carson) |
Peter Davis wrote
>>>Matt Lawrence writes:-
>
>This is an urban legend. No such virus exists. Please do not spead this
>any further.<<
>
>As my information comes from someone in the software business who in constantly
>updated with the latest information I would be very interested to know how you
>can dismiss such a warning with such aplomb.
Calm down, everybody! In a way, you're _both_ correct!
Good Times is not a "computer" virus - it's a people virus - it gets into
their heads and make them behave irrationally. Even the tech hot-shots are
not immune - in my former life at BT Labs, on the cutting edge of
communications technology, I saw that virus infect an entire division twice
in less than 18 months. Nobody in the entire organisation had ever seen or
received a copy of the Good Times "virus" itself - it was just the
"warning" message.
Further evidence of the ability to spread havoc by a few well-chosen words
was demonstrated to me yesterday when I discovered that one of the other
lists I subscribe to had _itself_ been subscribed to quite a number of
other lists by some prankster. Stuff like this is probably designed to see
if they can bring the net to its knees by some sort of geometric increase
in the number of postings. (Fun, huh? Let's go out & wreck a train next!)
I apologise for the size of this post, but maybe it's needed in order to
put this to bed. I reproduce below the text of the WWW page to be found at:
http://www.crew.umich.edu/~chymes/newusers/Think.html
It's worth browsing this page and following a few of the links - but even
if you don't do that, read the stuff below - it's all pretty sound
common-sense. (Incidentally, advice to anyone else posting copies of WWW
pages - save a copy as "text" _not_ "html" - makes it easier on the brain.)
Don't Spread that Hoax!
This document is very much under construction, please send comments, advice,
criticism, and further information to chymes(at)crew.umich.edu.
This link gives some information on who I am.
http://www.CREW.umich.edu/~chymes/
Don't Spread that Hoax!
You are visitor number 34799
Recently, the internet community has endured a wave of e-mail hoaxes and
pranks, exploiting users unfamiliarity with how the internet, and computer
systems in general work. With the explosive growth of the internet and its
popularity, more and more new users are "getting online" and becoming
targets for pranksters. "Ancient" myths, like the cookie story, are just
waiting for a critical mass of people who have not been exposed, so that
they can go streaming across the net again. There is no technical solution
to this problem. Even when users users become experienced enough to be able
to tell a silly message when they see one, anyone can get suckered
sometimes. It seems that all users of the internet will have to put up with
a certain amount of nonsense. Right now, these messages are only an
annoyance, but it is only a matter of time before someone's` reputation,
career or bank account is ruined by some out of control e-mail message.
Experienced users call these problem messages Junk-mail Viruses, because
they act like other computer viruses, only they use people as the method of
infecting new systems. Users of the internet must learn to be skeptical, and
think carefully before spreading a message to new users. There are some
simple things you can do to avoid being a carrier for Junk-mail Viruses.
1) If you get a message, or see a posting on usenet that seems like it
should be shared with LOTS of people, **DON`T SEND IT** unless either you
KNOW the message is true, you can authenticate their identity (through PGP
or some other system), or you know the sender personally, and know they
would have written this message. The more urgent it sounds, the more
skeptical you should be. Even if you think it might be true, let someone
else spread it.
2) If you really want to send it, **ALWAYS CHECK WITH THE ORIGINATOR**
before forwarding it! This is the best way to tell a hoax or a prank. Just
reply to the first sender, and ask them if it is true. If they can`t tell
you, then don`t send it! Most pranks and hoaxes have forged headers and
signatures, and when you try and verify the validity of the message, you
will find that the address is not valid. Even if the originator is the
prankster, and tells you to go ahead, at least they can be caught and dealt
with. If this seems like too much of a bother, than it is not that important
and you should not send it anyway.
3) If the message tells you to do something, especially if that something
involves changing in your account or sending a file or message over the
network, **CHECK WITH SOMEONE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAT YOU CAN TRUST**. Imagine
you received a package in your real homes mailbox asking you to place your
house keys in the return envelope provided, and mail them to a post office
box. Would you comply? People fall for the computer version of this all the
time.
4) If you see or get something that really makes you angry, remember *** YOU
CAN`T BE SURE WHO SENT IT!!** It is very very easy to frame someone with an
e-mail message or usenet post. All someone has to do is sit at their
computer when the victim is away from the keyboard. But hackers can be much
more sophisticated. They can forge any message to make it appear from
anyone.
4)Chain e-mail and Pyramid posts on usenet are a scam, and they may be a
crime. If you forward one, you will be blasted with hundreds of angry
messages in reply. But if you see one, remember that you can`t be sure who
sent it.
Famous Hoaxes
The cookie story (Mrs Fields, Neimen Marcus, etc) is a myth. It has been
circulating for at least 10 years. Please do not forward it. The kid who
wants postcards before he dies is also no longer true, don't forward it
either. Similarly, the federal government is NOT going to start charging for
e-mail, or any other use the the internet. When you see a call to arms about
this issue, disregard it.
The Good Times "virus" deserves several pages all its own. Here are HTML
versions:
1. http://www.hr.doe.gov/goodtime.html
2.
And here are plain text.
1. ftp://usit.net/pub/lesjones/GoodTimes-HoaxFAQ.txt
2. ftp://usit.net/pub/lesjones/good-times-virus-hoax-faq.txt
3. ftp://users.aol.com/macfaq/good-times-virus-hoax-mini-faq.txt
Anyway, there is ABSOLUTLY NO WAY** for an email message to infect your
computer with a virus just by reading it. Even the infamous internet worm
did not operate this way. This "mother of all Junk-mail virues" Has made it
into the photocopy room, and is going around again. Note however, that it IS
possible to dounload an executable program through e-mail, or through your
web browser. For heaven's sake DON'T RUN A PROGRAM FROM A SOURCE YOU DON'T
HAVE VERY GOOD REASON TO TRUST! If your browser or e-mail reader does not
ask you permission before it runs a dounloaded program, THROW THAT BROWSER
OR READER AWAY! It's no more useful than a door to your house that can't
keep anyone out.
There are enough myths, legends, and hoaxes on the net to fill a book, in
fact, one is growing, check out an alt.folklore.urban Frequently asked
Questiones list. When it is available again.
Finally, note that when April 1st comes up, the Net will be awash in phony
messages, forged return addresses, pranks, and general amusing nonsense. The
best thing to do is to read them and have a good laugh. Barring that, ignore
any message from anyone you don't know, and ignore any message from anyone
that asks you to do something.
Hoaxes & Humor on the Internet
1. April Fools on the Net
2. Official Usenet Alt.Folklore.Urban Frequently Posted Legends
3. Usenet group on Computer folklore
Serious Information
1. Pretty Good Privacy, a great way to authenticate the sender and insure
privacy for the receiver.
2. How NOT to create USENET Posts
3. USENET frequently asked questions
4. Hints on Writing Style
5. USENET Primer
6. Rules for posting
Please Email me here: Charles Hymes , I'd like to know what you think!
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Voice:(313)-763-6992
* Well, maybe it was true at one point, but it is not true now.
** Really experienced users know about holes in sendmail and
particular mail readers, but this message is not for you.
cheers
Rowland
... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| From: | Matt Lawrence <matt(at)access.digex.net> |
>Where do you get your info from? Mine comes from someone in the software
>business who's firm is continuously updated with the latest info on everything,
>including viruses.
>
>As he is in the business of writing software he has to know what the latest
>dangers are, so I would be most interested to know how you are able to give
such
>a positive dismissal to such a potential problem.
Your friend obviously has no clue. The "Good Times" virus was debunked a
long time ago. I know, I received more copies of the CIAC report than I did
warnings. I also correspond on a regular basis with the woman who wrote the
report. I am in the computer business. I hang around with a number of
major league computer people, including folks who administer the Internet
connections for a couple of major computer companies.
In short, the "Good Times" hoax is old news. It ranks right up there with
Craig Shergold. Please do not continue to spread these rumors. And please
find someone who is actually up to date on these things to get your info from.
-- Matt
P.S. If you think that was nasty, you should have seen what I originally wrote.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "John Ellerington" <john_ellerington(at)uk.ibm.com> |
Could the participants in this mailing list please limit their postings
to material relevant to the EUROPA aircraft!
This is *not* the place to discuss viruses, real or imaginary. Please
remember that participants may have to pay to download e-mail and most
people will not want to receive irrelevant information, no matter how
well-intentioned or ill-informed.
TIA.
***************************************************************
John Ellerington
SuperMIX Project team
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Drawings of single handed cart. |
Sorry I thought you'd made one. Mine is just two wheels on an axle wider
than the wingtip with a carpeted base between. There is an arm extending
rootwards where it first lies on the ground. When you rest the wing tip
beyond the axle, the arm comes up to lie parallel to the wing, and a
bungee is put round it and the wing in the chord direction. You then just
pick up the spar end and wheel the whole lot about.
gemin
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Martin <mberner(at)wow.net> |
John Ellerington wrote:
>
> Could the participants in this mailing list please limit their postings
> to material relevant to the EUROPA aircraft!
Sounds reasonable.............
> This is *not* the place to discuss viruses, real or imaginary. Please
> remember that participants may have to pay to download e-mail and most
> people will not want to receive irrelevant information, no matter how
> well-intentioned or ill-informed.
............but wouldn't you appreciate a warning that,say, PKZIP30 would reformat
your hard
drive ?
I know that I for one am happy to have been warned !
Martin
--
Martin W. Berner,
26 Mayfield Road, Valsayn Park, Trinidad, The West Indies
Live Long and Prosper !
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Duncan McFadyean <101234.3202(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Special cooling for Rotax ? |
Graham,
I would add that specific heat capacity also takes a nosedive upon the addition
of antifreeze to water. Not that this matters during steady state conditions,
but it reduces the thermal inertia of the system and the ability to cope with
short term peaks.
The fact that Rotax have gone from an antifreeze mixture of 50% ( I think it
was) to 100% is, IMHO, indicative of a shortcoming in head design.
Rgds. Duncan McFadyean
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerry <jerry(at)flyinghi.demon.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel alarms |
In your message dated Monday 5, August 1996 you wrote :
> Is it true that alarms on the instrument panel can be set off the standard
> gauges supplied by Europa? ie oil temp, oil pres, CHT etc?
>
We supply an instrument called the EIS. It is a digital engine instrument and
can be programmed to set off an alarm when engine functions exceed operating
limits (set by the user).
This instrument uses many of the standard 912 engine senders that are included
with the Rotax 912.
If you are interested you can see some details on the Web page
http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown
it may need updating
Please note new large screen version !
Altimeter / VSI option
Under test new low cost fuel flow sender !
If you would like details by mail please send me your address
Jerry
**************** FlyingHi - Wish I was ****************
>>>>UK distributor for Arplast Composite propellers<<<<
>>>>>>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown <<<<<<<<
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerry <jerry(at)flyinghi.demon.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel alarms |
Harry kindly reposted my EIS advert.
If any Europa mail readers would like to receive information by snail mail on
any of our products they can phone or e_mail a request.
The Arplast inflight Variable Pitch propeller has now done 23 hours of its 25
hours test flying period.
Jerry
**************** FlyingHi - Wish I was ****************
>>>>UK distributor for Arplast Composite propellers<<<<
>>>>>>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown <<<<<<<<
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | jerry <jerry(at)flyinghi.demon.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel alarms |
In your message dated Monday 5, August 1996 you wrote :
> Is it true that alarms on the instrument panel can be set off the standard
> gauges supplied by Europa? ie oil temp, oil pres, CHT etc?
>
We supply an instrument called the EIS. It is a digital engine instrument and
can be programmed to set off an alarm when engine functions exceed operating
limits (set by the user).
This instrument uses many of the standard 912 engine senders that are included
with the Rotax 912.
If you are interested you can see some details on the Web page
http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown
it may need updating
Please note new large screen version !
Altimeter / VSI option
Under test new low cost fuel flow sender !
If you would like details by mail please send me your address
Jerry
**************** FlyingHi - Wish I was ****************
>>>>UK distributor for Arplast Composite propellers<<<<
>>>>>>> http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown <<<<<<<<
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steven A Eberhart <newtech(at)newtech.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel alarms |
On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, jerry wrote:
[snip]
> We supply an instrument called the EIS. It is a digital engine instrument and
[snip]
Is there anyone on this mailing list that doesn't know, by now, that they
supply an instrument called the EIS ? :-(
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Martin <mberner(at)wow.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Panel alarms |
jerry wrote:
>
> In your message dated Monday 5, August 1996 you wrote :
> > Is it true that alarms on the instrument panel can be set off the standard
> > gauges supplied by Europa? ie oil temp, oil pres, CHT etc?
> >
> We supply an instrument called the EIS.......................................
> If you would like details by mail please send me your address
>
> Jerry
>
Jerry,
This message has now reached me three times - most recently today
when it came in
twice !! I don't want to seem ungrateful but wonder whether this was the intention
or
whether, if this is a glitch in the Net, anyone else has had this experience ?
Regards,
Martin
--
Martin W. Berner,
26 Mayfield Road, Valsayn Park, Trinidad, The West Indies
Live Long and Prosper !
________________________________________________________________________________
Matt the pkzip.300 virus does exsit. It is real and harmfull.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Richard Thomas <richard(at)olympics.demon.co.uk> |
| Subject: | o, I'm new here. |
Hello everyone, I have just joined this mailing list after finding
the email address in a back issue of Flyer (Janruary 1996 issue).
In a reply to my request, I was asked to send a message to the list
introducing myself.
Well I'm a University student, who so dearly would love to fly for
the big'uns, but unfortunately my degree has to come first, just
to stand a chance in obtaining a place at British Airways sponsorship
scheme. As if I don't get sponsorship, its a long road to the flight
deck of an airliner... :(
Anyway my name's Richard Thomas and I'm a nineteen year old (yes only 19)
Private Pilot. I think I come under the following category (as seen in
the Welcome to europa message, but a modified version of it):
4) Would so dearly love to build a Europa if I can find the currage.
Well the money isn't a problem, my Grandfather and Father have agreed
to put up the money until such time I can pay them back (lucky me) after
University.
The time factor, well Its been my dream since I was about ten to build my
airplane and I think I'm ready to start on the job to hand. I am very good
with electronics and computers, 3rd year of my Software Engineering course
at Uni this year, started when i was 17, a bit young for Uni), so the
avionics side of things won't be a problem (I hope). And I'm prepared to
put in a lot of long hours, through thick and thin, to make my kit perfect.
I do hope people here take me seriously as my friends at University think
I'm barmy, and especially when I say they can fly in it with me when its
completed (in later years than these as these things take time as all
you builders are probably aware) they said they'll rather jump off a cliff
than fly in a plane that Richard (Jack, house??? Never mind) have built.
Best wishes to everyone hear and good luck everyone with their Europas...
PS. My http pages aren't up and running yet, so please ignore my http
address in my footer. Thanks fellow airmen in advance...
------------------------------+---------------------------------
richard@olympics.demon.co.uk | http://www.olympics.demon.co.uk
------------------------------+---------------------------------
Compulsive, Paranoid and Anti-Social, but basically Happy!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Drawings of single handed cart. |
Would having the wing support higher be of any additional benefit when
rigging?
I presume that the rigging procedure is grab the spar, wheel the wing
into place, rest the spar in the slot, dash down to the tip and slide the
wing into place.
I would have thought that you would have lined your cart with cat fur
instead of carpet!
Tony
Mine is just two wheels on an axle wider
> than the wingtip with a carpeted base between. There is an arm
extending
> rootwards where it first lies on the ground. When you rest the wing tip
> beyond the axle, the arm comes up to lie parallel to the wing, and a
> bungee is put round it and the wing in the chord direction. You then
just
> pick up the spar end and wheel the whole lot about.
>
----------------------------------------------------
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Date: 08/26/96 Auckland, New Zealand
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | o, I'm new here. |
You'll find plenty of help and encouragement here. Best, however would be to
find a local builder and go have a look, so you can anticipate the problems. The
only serious problem (apart from cash) is allergy to epoxy. You have to keep the
stuff at arms length right from the beginning.
Tell us where you live. Presumably Britain?
Graham
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Drawings of single handed cart. |
>>grab the spar, wheel the wing into place, rest the spar in the slot, dash down
to the tip and slide the wing into place.<<
That's it! It's easier than you might think. Once the wing is in place on the
fuselage and the main pin started the whole lot becomes stable. It is essential
that the lift and flap drive pins all slide in unassisted, which implies a guide
of some sort (conical?) for the flap pin.
Graham
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Colin Wray <colin(at)greench.co.uk> |
I have just had the opportunity of examining Walter Binder's Europa at
Dunstable. Walter designs and sells add-on engine installations for gliders.
He built the Europa for his personal use, and because he could get a good
deal from Rotax. He is definitely not interested in making his mods
available in kit form; whether he would supply drawings etc. I do not know,
but his passenger says he has enough to do in his business already. The
group are in England for the rest of the week, but he is going up to the
factory on Tuesday to show it to Ivan. These are the mods I picked out -
goodness knows how many more there are.
1. Constant speed prop on Rotax 912.
2. Completely redesigned cowlings, incorporating two air intakes and the
radiator.
3. Carb cold air supply.
4. Cabin heat or fresh air, individually selectable to left and right seats
(four knobs).
5. Wing tips turn up to the vertical towards the trailing edge (2 or 3
inches max).
6. 20 litre extra fuel tank in each wing outboard section.
7. Electrically retracting outriggers. A single spring-steel strip leg
folding spanwise towards the wingtips, wheel and leg flush inside wing when
retracted.
8. Two stage (17/32 degrees) electrically operated flaps, independent of
undercarriage.
9. Electrically operated main wheel; one large screw jack but original
rubber block. Most of original tubework frame discarded, wheel forks redesigned.
10. All fuel caps are small diameter black plastic flush-fitting.
11. Flush fitting nav lights on wing tips and rudder.
12. Large flush strobe unit in top front of fin.
13. Long probe-type pitot on stbd wing tip.
14. Steerable tail wheel with integral glider tow hook mounted 18 to 24
inches further aft on a three leaf spring. (Yes, he tows gliders with it !).
15. Tailplane securing pins must be glider-type requiring an extractor tool,
because the holes are quite small diameter (0.5 inch ?).
16. Flap-to-fusalage gap completely faired-in when retracted. The ends of
the flaps have fusalage-shape extensions.
17. Centre console: Throttle, prop, and third lever (?) on a single pivot
where the manual gear-retract lever would normally be. Two wing tank slider
valves. Normal brake lever and electric trim switch. Undercarriage and flap
switches on the panel.
18. Main fuel tank vent on fin leading edge; wing tank vents on under
surface facing aft.
I think the decoupling of gear and flaps, with the added advantage of
separate take-off and landing positions, is the major achievement here, and
one I would definitely go for if I were a builder.
-- Colin Wray
-------------------------------------------------------
Colin Wray, Greenchurch Software Ltd, UK
Email: colin(at)greench.co.uk
-------------------------------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Martin J.Tuck" <102034.2747(at)compuserve.com> |
D-EPWR Mods
<< I have just had the opportunity of examining Walter Binder's Europa at
Dunstable. Walter designs and sells add-on engine installations for gliders.
He built the Europa for his personal use ... >>
Mmmm ... all good stuff but one vital piece of info missing .. how much does it
weigh? Any ideas?
Extra fuel tanks eh? Must have a very large bladder!
<< and I would definitely go for if I were a builder.>> Check with the PFA first
if I remember rightly.
Regards
Martin Tuck
#152
Wichita, Kansas
(Waiting for the weather to cool down so that I can bond top and bottom fuselage
halves).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | gemin(at)cix.compulink.co.uk (Graham Clarke) |
| Subject: | Re: Single handed manoevres |
>>Would having the wing support higher be of any additional benefit when
rigging?<<
Not really, a tip cartis very easy to manoevre just as you describe by
manhandling the spar. What you do need, I find, is a stop of some sort on
the lower aft bit of the spar aperture. Otherwise the spar tends to slide
downhill and won't enter the far cup. I have also have a guide (hardwood
not girl!) attached to the cockpit wall pointing at the cup to get easier
entry, but it's still necessary sometimes to run around to the otherside
to persuade the end to enter longitudinally. There is unfortunately no
room to add aft direction extensions to the cup due to closeness of the
bell crank.
The starboard wing is guided by a similar guide reduxed to the port spar.
Graham C.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tom Dawes-Gamble <tmdg> |
| Subject: | met: Some problems with METAR |
Hi,
I would like to update you on a couple of problems with the weather
page.
It would seem that METAR for some non UK airfields are not available
from my page any more. I have notified Skytrak of this and they are
investigating.
The list of users is now so large that I need to trim down the list
so I have removed any user that doesnot appear to have used the page since
March 1996. I will be automating the process in the near future.
If you don't access the page for 100 days they your registration will be
deleted.
Best regards,
Tom.
--
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Http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg
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The top level URL is http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg/weather/main_menu.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Single handed manoevres |
> >>Would having the wing support higher be of any additional benefit
when
> rigging?<<
>
> Not really, a tip cartis very easy to manoevre just as you describe by
> manhandling the spar. What you do need, I find, is a stop of some sort
on
> the lower aft bit of the spar aperture. Otherwise the spar tends to
slide
> downhill and won't enter the far cup. I have also have a guide
(hardwood
> not girl!) attached to the cockpit wall pointing at the cup to get
easier
> entry, but it's still necessary sometimes to run around to the
otherside
> to persuade the end to enter longitudinally. There is unfortunately no
> room to add aft direction extensions to the cup due to closeness of the
> bell crank.
>
> The starboard wing is guided by a similar guide reduxed to the port
spar.
>
I noticed that ODTI had spar guides additional to the manual
specification when I photographed her in June. These obviously assisted
in rigging.
The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
with a warped imagination would think of!
Tony
#272 Starboard tailplane gave birth to a trim tab last night. Both doing
well.
----------------------------------------------------
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Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 08:21:26 Ph +64 9 358 9124
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Subject: tmdgmet: Some problems with METAR
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:58:01 +0100 (BST)
Hi,
I would like to update you on a couple of problems with the weather
page.
It would seem that METAR for some non UK airfields are not available
from my page any more. I have notified Skytrak of this and they are
investigating.
The list of users is now so large that I need to trim down the list
so I have removed any user that doesnot appear to have used the page since
March 1996. I will be automating the process in the near future.
If you don't access the page for 100 days they your registration will be
deleted.
Best regards,
Tom.
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:21:25 +1200
From: Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
> >>Would having the wing support higher be of any additional benefit
when
> rigging?<<
>
> Not really, a tip cartis very easy to manoevre just as you describe by
> manhandling the spar. What you do need, I find, is a stop of some sort
on
> the lower aft bit of the spar aperture. Otherwise the spar tends to
slide
> downhill and won't enter the far cup. I have also have a guide
(hardwood
> not girl!) attached to the cockpit wall pointing at the cup to get
easier
> entry, but it's still necessary sometimes to run around to the
otherside
> to persuade the end to enter longitudinally. There is unfortunately no
> room to add aft direction extensions to the cup due to closeness of the
> bell crank.
>
> The starboard wing is guided by a similar guide reduxed to the port
spar.
>
I noticed that ODTI had spar guides additional to the manual
specification when I photographed her in June. These obviously assisted
in rigging.
The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
with a warped imagination would think of!
Tony
#272 Starboard tailplane gave birth to a trim tab last night. Both doing
well.
----------------------------------------------------
Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 08:21:26 Ph +64 9 358 9124
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From: Tom Dawes-Gamble <tmdg(at)ayla.avnet.co.uk>
Subject: tmdgmet: Some problems with METAR
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:58:01 +0100 (BST)
Hi,
I would like to update you on a couple of problems with the weather
page.
It would seem that METAR for some non UK airfields are not available
from my page any more. I have notified Skytrak of this and they are
investigating.
The list of users is now so large that I need to trim down the list
so I have removed any user that doesnot appear to have used the page since
March 1996. I will be automating the process in the near future.
If you don't access the page for 100 days they your registration will be
deleted.
Best regards,
Tom.
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________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Guerrero <zephyrtool(at)earthlink.net> |
Dear Gemin:
Search no more!
Let me introduce myself. I'm Rick Guerrero, Vice President of ZEPHYR
Manufacturing Company. We are the manufacture of the Kwik-Lok Temperary
Fastener (cleco's) product line. Please let me know your address so I
can send you our Kwik-Lok Catalog.
You can contact me at:
Zephyr Mfg. Co.
213-776-7600 (Tel)
310-410-2913 (Fax)
zephyr(at)zephyrtool.com (Email)
www.zephyrtool.com (Web Site)
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:21:25 +1200
From: Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
> >>Would having the wing support higher be of any additional benefit
when
> rigging?<<
>
> Not really, a tip cartis very easy to manoevre just as you describe by
> manhandling the spar. What you do need, I find, is a stop of some sort
on
> the lower aft bit of the spar aperture. Otherwise the spar tends to
slide
> downhill and won't enter the far cup. I have also have a guide
(hardwood
> not girl!) attached to the cockpit wall pointing at the cup to get
easier
> entry, but it's still necessary sometimes to run around to the
otherside
> to persuade the end to enter longitudinally. There is unfortunately no
> room to add aft direction extensions to the cup due to closeness of the
> bell crank.
>
> The starboard wing is guided by a similar guide reduxed to the port
spar.
>
I noticed that ODTI had spar guides additional to the manual
specification when I photographed her in June. These obviously assisted
in rigging.
The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
with a warped imagination would think of!
Tony
#272 Starboard tailplane gave birth to a trim tab last night. Both doing
well.
----------------------------------------------------
Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 08:21:26 Ph +64 9 358 9124
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From: Tom Dawes-Gamble <tmdg(at)ayla.avnet.co.uk>
Subject: tmdgmet: Some problems with METAR
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:58:01 +0100 (BST)
Hi,
I would like to update you on a couple of problems with the weather
page.
It would seem that METAR for some non UK airfields are not available
from my page any more. I have notified Skytrak of this and they are
investigating.
The list of users is now so large that I need to trim down the list
so I have removed any user that doesnot appear to have used the page since
March 1996. I will be automating the process in the near future.
If you don't access the page for 100 days they your registration will be
deleted.
Best regards,
Tom.
--
Email: tmdg(at)avnet.co.uk
Http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg
G-ATAG: is a Jodel 1050 /* Bent Wings are Best */
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:21:25 +1200
From: Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
> >>Would having the wing support higher be of any additional benefit
when
> rigging?<<
>
> Not really, a tip cartis very easy to manoevre just as you describe by
> manhandling the spar. What you do need, I find, is a stop of some sort
on
> the lower aft bit of the spar aperture. Otherwise the spar tends to
slide
> downhill and won't enter the far cup. I have also have a guide
(hardwood
> not girl!) attached to the cockpit wall pointing at the cup to get
easier
> entry, but it's still necessary sometimes to run around to the
otherside
> to persuade the end to enter longitudinally. There is unfortunately no
> room to add aft direction extensions to the cup due to closeness of the
> bell crank.
>
> The starboard wing is guided by a similar guide reduxed to the port
spar.
>
I noticed that ODTI had spar guides additional to the manual
specification when I photographed her in June. These obviously assisted
in rigging.
The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
with a warped imagination would think of!
Tony
#272 Starboard tailplane gave birth to a trim tab last night. Both doing
well.
----------------------------------------------------
Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 08:21:26 Ph +64 9 358 9124
Visit http://www.kaon.co.nz
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Borderware Internet Firewall and Security Software,
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:27:26 -0700
From: Rick Guerrero <zephyrtool(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Kwik-Lok
Dear Gemin:
Search no more!
Let me introduce myself. I'm Rick Guerrero, Vice President of ZEPHYR
Manufacturing Company. We are the manufacture of the Kwik-Lok Temperary
Fastener (cleco's) product line. Please let me know your address so I
can send you our Kwik-Lok Catalog.
You can contact me at:
Zephyr Mfg. Co.
213-776-7600 (Tel)
310-410-2913 (Fax)
zephyr(at)zephyrtool.com (Email)
www.zephyrtool.com (Web Site)
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From: Tom Dawes-Gamble <tmdg(at)ayla.avnet.co.uk>
Subject: tmdgmet: Some problems with METAR
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:58:01 +0100 (BST)
Hi,
I would like to update you on a couple of problems with the weather
page.
It would seem that METAR for some non UK airfields are not available
from my page any more. I have notified Skytrak of this and they are
investigating.
The list of users is now so large that I need to trim down the list
so I have removed any user that doesnot appear to have used the page since
March 1996. I will be automating the process in the near future.
If you don't access the page for 100 days they your registration will be
deleted.
Best regards,
Tom.
--
Email: tmdg(at)avnet.co.uk
Http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg
G-ATAG: is a Jodel 1050 /* Bent Wings are Best */
The top level URL is http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg/weather/main_menu.html
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Single handed manoevres |
Tony Krzyzewski wrote:
>
>
>
> The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
> probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
> with a warped imagination would think of!
> I thought that all intrepid birdmen used warping ? Some can be quite
attractive !
Ember
-
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Boy, that ccmail automated message really gets up you nose doesn't it!
Tony
----------------------------------------------------
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Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 12:46:54 Ph +64 9 358 9124
Visit http://www.kaon.co.nz
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From: Tom Dawes-Gamble <tmdg(at)ayla.avnet.co.uk>
Subject: tmdgmet: Some problems with METAR
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:58:01 +0100 (BST)
Hi,
I would like to update you on a couple of problems with the weather
page.
It would seem that METAR for some non UK airfields are not available
from my page any more. I have notified Skytrak of this and they are
investigating.
The list of users is now so large that I need to trim down the list
so I have removed any user that doesnot appear to have used the page since
March 1996. I will be automating the process in the near future.
If you don't access the page for 100 days they your registration will be
deleted.
Best regards,
Tom.
--
Email: tmdg(at)avnet.co.uk
Http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg
G-ATAG: is a Jodel 1050 /* Bent Wings are Best */
The top level URL is http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg/weather/main_menu.html
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:25:41 -0300
From: martin <ember@carib-link.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
Tony Krzyzewski wrote:
>
>
>
> The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
> probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
> with a warped imagination would think of!
> I thought that all intrepid birdmen used warping ? Some can be quite
attractive !
Ember
-
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From: Tom Dawes-Gamble <tmdg(at)ayla.avnet.co.uk>
Subject: tmdgmet: Some problems with METAR
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:58:01 +0100 (BST)
Hi,
I would like to update you on a couple of problems with the weather
page.
It would seem that METAR for some non UK airfields are not available
from my page any more. I have notified Skytrak of this and they are
investigating.
The list of users is now so large that I need to trim down the list
so I have removed any user that doesnot appear to have used the page since
March 1996. I will be automating the process in the near future.
If you don't access the page for 100 days they your registration will be
deleted.
Best regards,
Tom.
--
Email: tmdg(at)avnet.co.uk
Http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg
G-ATAG: is a Jodel 1050 /* Bent Wings are Best */
The top level URL is http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg/weather/main_menu.html
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Boy, that ccmail automated message really gets up you nose doesn't it!
Tony
----------------------------------------------------
Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 12:46:54 Ph +64 9 358 9124
Visit http://www.kaon.co.nz
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Borderware Internet Firewall and Security Software,
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From: martin <ember@carib-link.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
Tony Krzyzewski wrote:
>
>
>
> The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
> probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
> with a warped imagination would think of!
> I thought that all intrepid birdmen used warping ? Some can be quite
attractive !
Ember
-
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:27:26 -0700
From: Rick Guerrero <zephyrtool(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Kwik-Lok
Dear Gemin:
Search no more!
Let me introduce myself. I'm Rick Guerrero, Vice President of ZEPHYR
Manufacturing Company. We are the manufacture of the Kwik-Lok Temperary
Fastener (cleco's) product line. Please let me know your address so I
can send you our Kwik-Lok Catalog.
You can contact me at:
Zephyr Mfg. Co.
213-776-7600 (Tel)
310-410-2913 (Fax)
zephyr(at)zephyrtool.com (Email)
www.zephyrtool.com (Web Site)
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:21:25 +1200
From: Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
> >>Would having the wing support higher be of any additional benefit
when
> rigging?<<
>
> Not really, a tip cartis very easy to manoevre just as you describe by
> manhandling the spar. What you do need, I find, is a stop of some sort
on
> the lower aft bit of the spar aperture. Otherwise the spar tends to
slide
> downhill and won't enter the far cup. I have also have a guide
(hardwood
> not girl!) attached to the cockpit wall pointing at the cup to get
easier
> entry, but it's still necessary sometimes to run around to the
otherside
> to persuade the end to enter longitudinally. There is unfortunately no
> room to add aft direction extensions to the cup due to closeness of the
> bell crank.
>
> The starboard wing is guided by a similar guide reduxed to the port
spar.
>
I noticed that ODTI had spar guides additional to the manual
specification when I photographed her in June. These obviously assisted
in rigging.
The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
with a warped imagination would think of!
Tony
#272 Starboard tailplane gave birth to a trim tab last night. Both doing
well.
----------------------------------------------------
Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 08:21:26 Ph +64 9 358 9124
Visit http://www.kaon.co.nz
The New Zealand Home of
ATM Ltd Intranet ATM Networks,
NetManage Internet and Intranet Software Solutions,
Spider/Shiva Remote Networking Systems
Borderware Internet Firewall and Security Software,
Banyan and SNMPc
----------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:25:41 -0300
From: martin <ember@carib-link.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
Tony Krzyzewski wrote:
>
>
>
> The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
> probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
> with a warped imagination would think of!
> I thought that all intrepid birdmen used warping ? Some can be quite
attractive !
Ember
-
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From: Tom Dawes-Gamble <tmdg(at)ayla.avnet.co.uk>
Subject: tmdgmet: Some problems with METAR
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:58:01 +0100 (BST)
Hi,
I would like to update you on a couple of problems with the weather
page.
It would seem that METAR for some non UK airfields are not available
from my page any more. I have notified Skytrak of this and they are
investigating.
The list of users is now so large that I need to trim down the list
so I have removed any user that doesnot appear to have used the page since
March 1996. I will be automating the process in the near future.
If you don't access the page for 100 days they your registration will be
deleted.
Best regards,
Tom.
--
Email: tmdg(at)avnet.co.uk
Http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg
G-ATAG: is a Jodel 1050 /* Bent Wings are Best */
The top level URL is http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg/weather/main_menu.html
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Subject: Regarding ccMail SMTPLINK Undeliverable Message
Boy, that ccmail automated message really gets up you nose doesn't it!
Tony
----------------------------------------------------
Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 12:46:54 Ph +64 9 358 9124
Visit http://www.kaon.co.nz
The New Zealand Home of
ATM Ltd Intranet ATM Networks,
NetManage Internet and Intranet Software Solutions,
Spider/Shiva Remote Networking Systems
Borderware Internet Firewall and Security Software,
Banyan and SNMPc
----------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:27:26 -0700
From: Rick Guerrero <zephyrtool(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Kwik-Lok
Dear Gemin:
Search no more!
Let me introduce myself. I'm Rick Guerrero, Vice President of ZEPHYR
Manufacturing Company. We are the manufacture of the Kwik-Lok Temperary
Fastener (cleco's) product line. Please let me know your address so I
can send you our Kwik-Lok Catalog.
You can contact me at:
Zephyr Mfg. Co.
213-776-7600 (Tel)
310-410-2913 (Fax)
zephyr(at)zephyrtool.com (Email)
www.zephyrtool.com (Web Site)
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:21:25 +1200
From: Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
> >>Would having the wing support higher be of any additional benefit
when
> rigging?<<
>
> Not really, a tip cartis very easy to manoevre just as you describe by
> manhandling the spar. What you do need, I find, is a stop of some sort
on
> the lower aft bit of the spar aperture. Otherwise the spar tends to
slide
> downhill and won't enter the far cup. I have also have a guide
(hardwood
> not girl!) attached to the cockpit wall pointing at the cup to get
easier
> entry, but it's still necessary sometimes to run around to the
otherside
> to persuade the end to enter longitudinally. There is unfortunately no
> room to add aft direction extensions to the cup due to closeness of the
> bell crank.
>
> The starboard wing is guided by a similar guide reduxed to the port
spar.
>
I noticed that ODTI had spar guides additional to the manual
specification when I photographed her in June. These obviously assisted
in rigging.
The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
with a warped imagination would think of!
Tony
#272 Starboard tailplane gave birth to a trim tab last night. Both doing
well.
----------------------------------------------------
Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 08:21:26 Ph +64 9 358 9124
Visit http://www.kaon.co.nz
The New Zealand Home of
ATM Ltd Intranet ATM Networks,
NetManage Internet and Intranet Software Solutions,
Spider/Shiva Remote Networking Systems
Borderware Internet Firewall and Security Software,
Banyan and SNMPc
----------------------------------------------------
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From: martin <ember@carib-link.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
Tony Krzyzewski wrote:
>
>
>
> The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
> probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
> with a warped imagination would think of!
> I thought that all intrepid birdmen used warping ? Some can be quite
attractive !
Ember
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:21:25 +1200
From: Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
> >>Would having the wing support higher be of any additional benefit
when
> rigging?<<
>
> Not really, a tip cartis very easy to manoevre just as you describe by
> manhandling the spar. What you do need, I find, is a stop of some sort
on
> the lower aft bit of the spar aperture. Otherwise the spar tends to
slide
> downhill and won't enter the far cup. I have also have a guide
(hardwood
> not girl!) attached to the cockpit wall pointing at the cup to get
easier
> entry, but it's still necessary sometimes to run around to the
otherside
> to persuade the end to enter longitudinally. There is unfortunately no
> room to add aft direction extensions to the cup due to closeness of the
> bell crank.
>
> The starboard wing is guided by a similar guide reduxed to the port
spar.
>
I noticed that ODTI had spar guides additional to the manual
specification when I photographed her in June. These obviously assisted
in rigging.
The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
with a warped imagination would think of!
Tony
#272 Starboard tailplane gave birth to a trim tab last night. Both doing
well.
----------------------------------------------------
Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 08:21:26 Ph +64 9 358 9124
Visit http://www.kaon.co.nz
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Tony
----------------------------------------------------
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Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 12:46:54 Ph +64 9 358 9124
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Banyan and SNMPc
----------------------------------------------------
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From: Tom Dawes-Gamble <tmdg(at)ayla.avnet.co.uk>
Subject: tmdgmet: Some problems with METAR
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:58:01 +0100 (BST)
Hi,
I would like to update you on a couple of problems with the weather
page.
It would seem that METAR for some non UK airfields are not available
from my page any more. I have notified Skytrak of this and they are
investigating.
The list of users is now so large that I need to trim down the list
so I have removed any user that doesnot appear to have used the page since
March 1996. I will be automating the process in the near future.
If you don't access the page for 100 days they your registration will be
deleted.
Best regards,
Tom.
--
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:25:41 -0300
From: martin <ember@carib-link.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
Tony Krzyzewski wrote:
>
>
>
> The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
> probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
> with a warped imagination would think of!
> I thought that all intrepid birdmen used warping ? Some can be quite
attractive !
Ember
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:21:25 +1200
From: Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
> >>Would having the wing support higher be of any additional benefit
when
> rigging?<<
>
> Not really, a tip cartis very easy to manoevre just as you describe by
> manhandling the spar. What you do need, I find, is a stop of some sort
on
> the lower aft bit of the spar aperture. Otherwise the spar tends to
slide
> downhill and won't enter the far cup. I have also have a guide
(hardwood
> not girl!) attached to the cockpit wall pointing at the cup to get
easier
> entry, but it's still necessary sometimes to run around to the
otherside
> to persuade the end to enter longitudinally. There is unfortunately no
> room to add aft direction extensions to the cup due to closeness of the
> bell crank.
>
> The starboard wing is guided by a similar guide reduxed to the port
spar.
>
I noticed that ODTI had spar guides additional to the manual
specification when I photographed her in June. These obviously assisted
in rigging.
The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
with a warped imagination would think of!
Tony
#272 Starboard tailplane gave birth to a trim tab last night. Both doing
well.
----------------------------------------------------
Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 08:21:26 Ph +64 9 358 9124
Visit http://www.kaon.co.nz
The New Zealand Home of
ATM Ltd Intranet ATM Networks,
NetManage Internet and Intranet Software Solutions,
Spider/Shiva Remote Networking Systems
Borderware Internet Firewall and Security Software,
Banyan and SNMPc
----------------------------------------------------
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Boy, that ccmail automated message really gets up you nose doesn't it!
Tony
----------------------------------------------------
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Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 12:46:54 Ph +64 9 358 9124
Visit http://www.kaon.co.nz
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----------------------------------------------------
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From: Tom Dawes-Gamble <tmdg(at)ayla.avnet.co.uk>
Subject: tmdgmet: Some problems with METAR
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:58:01 +0100 (BST)
Hi,
I would like to update you on a couple of problems with the weather
page.
It would seem that METAR for some non UK airfields are not available
from my page any more. I have notified Skytrak of this and they are
investigating.
The list of users is now so large that I need to trim down the list
so I have removed any user that doesnot appear to have used the page since
March 1996. I will be automating the process in the near future.
If you don't access the page for 100 days they your registration will be
deleted.
Best regards,
Tom.
--
Email: tmdg(at)avnet.co.uk
Http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg
G-ATAG: is a Jodel 1050 /* Bent Wings are Best */
The top level URL is http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg/weather/main_menu.html
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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 08:21:25 +1200
From: Tony Krzyzewski <tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
> >>Would having the wing support higher be of any additional benefit
when
> rigging?<<
>
> Not really, a tip cartis very easy to manoevre just as you describe by
> manhandling the spar. What you do need, I find, is a stop of some sort
on
> the lower aft bit of the spar aperture. Otherwise the spar tends to
slide
> downhill and won't enter the far cup. I have also have a guide
(hardwood
> not girl!) attached to the cockpit wall pointing at the cup to get
easier
> entry, but it's still necessary sometimes to run around to the
otherside
> to persuade the end to enter longitudinally. There is unfortunately no
> room to add aft direction extensions to the cup due to closeness of the
> bell crank.
>
> The starboard wing is guided by a similar guide reduxed to the port
spar.
>
I noticed that ODTI had spar guides additional to the manual
specification when I photographed her in June. These obviously assisted
in rigging.
The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
with a warped imagination would think of!
Tony
#272 Starboard tailplane gave birth to a trim tab last night. Both doing
well.
----------------------------------------------------
Tony S Krzyzewski Kaon Technologies Ltd
Reply to tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz L7, 19 Victoria St West
Date: 08/28/96 Auckland, New Zealand
Time: 08:21:26 Ph +64 9 358 9124
Visit http://www.kaon.co.nz
The New Zealand Home of
ATM Ltd Intranet ATM Networks,
NetManage Internet and Intranet Software Solutions,
Spider/Shiva Remote Networking Systems
Borderware Internet Firewall and Security Software,
Banyan and SNMPc
----------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:27:26 -0700
From: Rick Guerrero <zephyrtool(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Kwik-Lok
Dear Gemin:
Search no more!
Let me introduce myself. I'm Rick Guerrero, Vice President of ZEPHYR
Manufacturing Company. We are the manufacture of the Kwik-Lok Temperary
Fastener (cleco's) product line. Please let me know your address so I
can send you our Kwik-Lok Catalog.
You can contact me at:
Zephyr Mfg. Co.
213-776-7600 (Tel)
310-410-2913 (Fax)
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Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 20:25:41 -0300
From: martin <ember@carib-link.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Single handed manoevres
Tony Krzyzewski wrote:
>
>
>
> The thought of having a girl guide attached to the cockpit wall (
> probably holding your ground proximity cat) is one that only a person
> with a warped imagination would think of!
> I thought that all intrepid birdmen used warping ? Some can be quite
attractive !
Ember
-
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tom Dawes-Gamble <tmdg(at)uksr.hp.com> |
| Subject: | met: Problems with METARS |
Hi,
Firstly I'm sorry if this is the second time you have received
this message. But due to a problem on AVnet the mail file got truncated
part way thought the transmission last time.
I would like to update you on a couple of problems with the weather
page.
It would seem that METAR for some non UK airfields are not available
from my page any more. I have notified Skytrak of this and they are
investigating.
The list of users is now so large that I need to trim down the list
so I have removed any user that doesn't appear to have used the page since
March 1996. I will be automating the process in the near future.
If you don't access the page for 100 days they your registration will be
deleted.
If you wish to reply then please reply to tmdg(at)avnet.co.uk
I always have a large back log of email so you may find that my reply is a
little terse. I will not reply to anyone asking for help with lost passwords
or forgotten user id etc. (If people can't be bothered to read what
I write for them to read via the www, Why should I think they will read my
email. More to the point why should they think I read my email? ;-)
Best regards,
Tom.
The top level URL is http://www.avnet.co.uk/tmdg/weather/main_menu.html
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| From: | Marc Campagna <"air(at)together.net"(at)together.net> |
| Subject: | citance fuel gauge |
Dear Wilma & Rowland
I would like to order your catalogue you seem to have
the type of product that we are searching for.One of them is a
capacitance fuel probe your price appear competitive. Would appreciate a
reply from your part.
Have a good day Marc Campagna air(at)together.net
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| Subject: | Re: tmdgmet: Problems with METARS |
Tom Dawes-Gamble wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Firstly I'm sorry if this is the second time you have received
> this message............................
Actually, Tom, I have twenty-one - yes, count them - twenty-one copies
in my Trash
folder! Not that I mind - gives the old fingers a little exercise and keeps the
arthritis away
!
As a matter of fact I thought it was a plot to swamp the Net with duplicated
messages and
I was wondering who to blame this time - the Moral Majority or the CIA ..............
Ciao !
Martin
--
Martin W. Berner,
26 Mayfield Road, Valsayn Park, Trinidad, The West Indies
Live Long and Prosper !
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| From: | Colin Wray <colin(at)greench.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: tmdgmet: Problems with METARS |
> Actually, Tom, I have twenty-one - yes, count them - twenty-one copies
in
my Trash
>folder! Not that I mind - gives the old fingers a little exercise and
keeps the arthritis away
> As a matter of fact I thought it was a plot to swamp the Net with
duplicated messages and
>I was wondering who to blame this time - the Moral Majority or the CIA
Well it wasn't Tom's fault, it was a combination of my ISP and the majordomo
software at avnet. What happened was a system crash at my ISP, which
produced mail bounces for one hour, during which time avnet sent copies of
the returned mail to all subscribers, including me, which got bounced by my
ISP, which avnet ......
It is exponential, a little longer downtime, a few more messages, and
everyone is swamped. I have dropped them a note pointing this out.
Sorry for the inconvenience (I got 32 copies eventually).
-- Colin
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Colin Wray, Greenchurch Software Ltd, UK
Email: colin(at)greench.co.uk
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| From: | Steven A Eberhart <newtech(at)newtech.com> |
On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Colin Wray wrote:
> I have just had the opportunity of examining Walter Binder's Europa at
> Dunstable. Walter designs and sells add-on engine installations for gliders.
[snip a bunch]
Is it possible to get some photographs published on the web? Tony K's
page might be a good place for them. Sure would like to see more
information about D-EPWR. The modifications sound very interresting.
Steve
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Single handed manoevres |
>>I noticed that ODTI had spar guides additional to the manual specification
when I photographed her in June. These obviously assisted in rigging.<<
Spar guides are essential for rigging. Why they aren't included I can't imagine.
Perhaps because Ivan never gets to rig a Europa anymore. The guide stops the
spar slipping to the back of the spar hole and tangling with the quick connects.
It also lines up all three pins, fore and aft, leaving you to handle the
vertical. This can be seen from the tip byu the position of the wing root
fillet.
Graham
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| From: | rowil(at)gn.apc.org (Rowland & Wilma Carson) |
Colin Wray wrote
>I have just had the opportunity of examining Walter Binder's Europa
Colin - my information, from the German registration section of Air-Britain
News, shows Walter Binder's Europa registered 8-11-95 as D-EPWB (_not_
D-EPWR). Given his initials, WB seems more likely. Can you confirm which is
actually painted on the aeroplane, please?
With all that extra stuff, I assume it's operating as a single-seater,
right? And who did the stress calculations (& spin testing?) for all that
extra weight in the outboard ends of the wings?
cheers
Rowland
... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
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| From: | Colin Wray <colin(at)greench.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: D-EPWR or D-EPWB? |
Rowland Carson replies:
>Colin - my information, from the German registration section of Air-Britain
>News, shows Walter Binder's Europa registered 8-11-95 as D-EPWB (_not_
>D-EPWR). Given his initials, WB seems more likely. Can you confirm which is
>actually painted on the aeroplane, please?
You are quite right. I cannot tell now whether I wrote it down wrong or
typed it in wrong, but it is D-EPWB. The aircraft was still there this lunch
time, but packed with bags ready to go.
>With all that extra stuff, I assume it's operating as a single-seater,
>right? And who did the stress calculations (& spin testing?) for all that
>extra weight in the outboard ends of the wings?
Definitely still a two seater, complete with passenger and his luggage, for
which space is no problem. Walter speaks no English - he even flew here by a
long round-about route to avoid speaking to any non-German speaking
controllers. His passenger had a few words of English, and several people
tried to enquire about the weight, but he was not conversant with the
project (or aviation ?) and could not help - save to say he thought he had
heard 600kg mentioned, or was it 500 ? We could not get any technical
answers. If you would like his address, and can write to him in German,
email me direct. The workmanship all appears to be absolutely first class,
which encourages me to assume that the paperwork will be the same. If he did
all this himself without the help of a team of experts from the aviation
industry, then he is a remarkable man. (As pure speculation, based on his
address, did Schleichers have a hand in it - for instance, is it covered in
Gel-Coat ?).
I watched it take-off and land twice, both times fully loaded. The take-off
run in nil wind was longer (and the climb-out flatter) than I would have
liked, perhaps 400 yards. Walter does a good job of controlling the dreaded
porpoising, especially since the main wheel is un-damped, the tail wheel
well sprung, and Dunstable is a rough and undulating field (to say the
least). I think that this emphasises the value of 20 degree take-off flap
and 32 degree landing. (Yes, it is marked on the panel as 0/20/32 degrees
rather than the 0/17/32 I first noted).
In answer to another query, I did not take any photos (sorry). They would
have to be detailed close-ups to be of any use, and mostly from the ground
upwards, and I do not have that sort of equipment.
-- Colin Wray
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Colin Wray, Greenchurch Software Ltd, UK
Email: colin(at)greench.co.uk
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| From: | Graham Singleton <100421.2123(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Re: D-EPWR or D-EPWB? |
>>The aircraft was still there this lunch time, but packed with bags ready to
go.<<
Still? or again. I understand he called in at Wombleton on Tuesday. Wish I'd
known I'd have been there.
I'd like to know what the climb rate is with a glider on the back. What I would
really like to know, though, is the cooling details. I suspect he has greatly
reduced the cooling drag. Maybe also improved the efficiency of the prop by
cleaning up the cowling.
Would you Email me his address please.
Graham
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| From: | Richard Thomas <richard(at)olympics.demon.co.uk> |
June 25, 1996 - August 31, 1996
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