Europa-Archive.digest.vol-ks
September 03, 2013 - September 23, 2013
Craig
I guess I don't understand the logic behind this setup. As I
understand, the pip pin is there to prevent aft movement of the spars.
So why is the pin only used on the port side and not the starboard
side?
Later on we bond a hardened steel washer to the port socket to retain
the pip pin ball. This sounds structural to me, but I know the socket
is nonstructural, so I am obviously missing something here.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:50 AM, craig wrote:
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> I believe the only reason for opening the hole to 1 inch is so it's a neat
> fit over the bushing in the spar itself
> That socket is the one with the pip pin installed in it which is supposed to
> be packed with washers so the pin doesn't move around guess the logic is you
> would just have to pack the pin more if you remove both sides out to one
> inch, as you say, though the consensus is that these pins are not
> transmitting any lift load, however before the strap around the spars was
> added, the pip pin would be stopping the end of the starboard spar moving
> rearward under those high lift high drag scenarios that were discussed at
> length a month or so ago by everyone when the wing is trying to move
> forward, which is why I believe the tie bar was added. So this may be one of
> those things that hasn't changed because it doesn't really effect anything
> in a bad way if its not altered. So you could probably remove it if you want
> to, the manual is quite clear the sockets are NOT structural, just a rigging
> aid to help you get the wings on. Feel free to correct me Bud if I got this
> all wrong
>
> Regards
>
> craig
>
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> Subject: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement
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> The manual says to open up the port spar socket hole to 1" on one side
> only, presumably the side facing the seatback. So why not the other
> side? If the sockets are non structural, it would seem odd to sandwich
> its plate between the bolt head and the spar bushing. What am I
> missing here?
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| From: | "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net> |
| Subject: | Spar socket hole enlargement |
Hi! Andrew,
The washer/washers are bedded to take up any slack on the back of the
starboard spa tip and canister So contributing to retaining the Starboard
spa close secured to the Port Spa. The Starboard Spar is retained close to
the centre of the port spa by laying up the "cuff" surrounding the two spas
in the middle . The choice of a plain main pin on the starboard side would
have been to do with reducing cost but in any case since the wings fail
FORWARDS it is not so vital to retain the starboard spa from migrating aft
when it is close to the wing close out but it's tip will tend to be parted
from its mate..
Many have purchased an additional pip pin to remove any uncertainty which
pin goes where !
Hope this helps ? But spoken from a pure layman ........with two pip pins !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG (Was it you who was sending me some pictures of main
gear spats which are hinged to fold upwards?)
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Sent: 03 September 2013 19:10
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement
Craig
I guess I don't understand the logic behind this setup. As I understand, the
pip pin is there to prevent aft movement of the spars.
So why is the pin only used on the port side and not the starboard side?
Later on we bond a hardened steel washer to the port socket to retain the
pip pin ball. This sounds structural to me, but I know the socket is
nonstructural, so I am obviously missing something here.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:50 AM, craig wrote:
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> I believe the only reason for opening the hole to 1 inch is so it's a
> neat fit over the bushing in the spar itself That socket is the one
> with the pip pin installed in it which is supposed to be packed with
> washers so the pin doesn't move around guess the logic is you would
> just have to pack the pin more if you remove both sides out to one
> inch, as you say, though the consensus is that these pins are not
> transmitting any lift load, however before the strap around the spars
> was added, the pip pin would be stopping the end of the starboard spar
> moving rearward under those high lift high drag scenarios that were
> discussed at length a month or so ago by everyone when the wing is
> trying to move forward, which is why I believe the tie bar was added.
> So this may be one of those things that hasn't changed because it
> doesn't really effect anything in a bad way if its not altered. So you
> could probably remove it if you want to, the manual is quite clear the
> sockets are NOT structural, just a rigging aid to help you get the
> wings on. Feel free to correct me Bud if I got this all wrong
>
> Regards
>
> craig
>
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> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Sarangan
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 1:38 PM
> To: Europa List
> Subject: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement
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>
> The manual says to open up the port spar socket hole to 1" on one side
> only, presumably the side facing the seatback. So why not the other
> side? If the sockets are non structural, it would seem odd to sandwich
> its plate between the bolt head and the spar bushing. What am I
> missing here?
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| From: | Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> |
| Subject: | solid state contactors |
I'm wondering if anyone has installed or has the expertise to evaluate these:
http://www.periheliondesign.com/powerlinkjr/PowerLinkJrIIIManual.pdf
thanks for any insights,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see! |
| From: | "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> |
So many Europa's, .Nice meeting you all, especially Nigel, great Chef, thanks for
the Burger.
Alan/Sunny
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| Subject: | Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> |
Hi All.
My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my
shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time
squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into
the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it
make your own,??
Regards.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | Richard Iddon <riddon(at)sent.com> |
Hi Alan.
I lift my can onto a non slip pad the wing then use a battery operated fuel pump
to transfer it to the tank. Search for battery operated fuel pump on Amazon
or Ebay. They are a bit flimsy and not terribly fast but they work OK and you
can buy one for about 15. I am on my second one in 8 years. They take a couple
of D cells and the batteries last at least a full season with me.
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, Alan Carter wrote:
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> Hi All.
> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above
my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time
squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged
into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is
it make your own,??
> Regards.
> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Classic radiator(s) needed |
| From: | "Richard Lamprey" <lamprey.richard(at)gmail.com> |
Thanks very much Philip and Paul, and also to Kevin Burns who has been in touch
by email.
So, thanks, good leads to follow:
Best
Richard
Kenya
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| Subject: | Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see! |
| From: | "Richard Lamprey" <lamprey.richard(at)gmail.com> |
Looks fantastic; the last rally I made it to was Cranfield 10 years ago (PFA days)!
And my Europa has never met another Europa.
Richard, Kenya
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk> |
Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel
with a micro mesh filter.
I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect
to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a
25 litre can.
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" wrote:
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> Hi All.
> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above
my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time
squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged
into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is
it make your own,??
> Regards.
> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | Trevpond <trevpond(at)aol.com> |
Hi Richard
I have the same pump, runs on 2 A type batteries - Brilliant! Used mine for years.
Regards
Trev G:-LINN
Sent from my iPad
On 4 Sep 2013, at 16:21, Richard Iddon wrote:
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> Hi Alan.
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> I lift my can onto a non slip pad the wing then use a battery operated fuel pump
to transfer it to the tank. Search for battery operated fuel pump on Amazon
or Ebay. They are a bit flimsy and not terribly fast but they work OK and you
can buy one for about 15. I am on my second one in 8 years. They take a couple
of D cells and the batteries last at least a full season with me.
>
> Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
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> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, Alan Carter wrote:
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>> Hi All.
>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above
my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of
time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged
into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is
it make your own,??
>> Regards.
>> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | "graeme bird" <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk> |
I brought a hand pump for fuel and mounted it on my hangar wall, its the type with
a leaver you waggle. Its quick enough but then I brought a flylight filter
and found that a lot of fuel remained in the feed and out 1" pipes. So I use
20 ltr cans and find I can rest them on the side of the filter and they are ok.
Its rare that I put in more than 1 or 2. Mine has the middle old position filler.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 75 hours 18 months
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com> |
Hi all
I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow', but
filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting
the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having to load
the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with this
and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good.
What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while
refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen
over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I decided to do
without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop of
water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All the same,
I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be interested to know
how other XS owners manage this.
John
Europa XS G-JHKP
On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill wrote:
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> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel
with a micro mesh filter.
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> I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect
to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with
a 25 litre can.
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> Alan
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" wrote:
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>> Hi All.
>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above
my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of
time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged
into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is
it make your own,??
>> Regards.
>> Alan
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| Subject: | My Longest flight |
| From: | "graeme bird" <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk> |
My longest single continuous flight today, 3:20 370nm, 53ltrs. Comfortable enough.
Luton over Cader Idris to Bardsley Isle at the end of the Lynn Northwales,
back just over Snowden. Fab.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 75 hours 18 months
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| From: | Karl Heindl <kheindl(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Refilling a Europa by hand |
I used to use one of those cheap electric pumps=2C with a 25l can on the wi
ng. But the pump eventually fell apart. They are only meant for pumping wat
er=2C maybe heating oil also. I was also concerned about the motor being su
rrounded by fumes.Much easier=2C quicker and safer is to have 2 or 3 of the
same 25l plastic fuel cans=2C but have them only half full. Then they are
easy to lift up and pour. The filter fits right into the cobra neck. I can'
t remember where I bought it.
Cheers=2C Karl
> Hi all
>
> I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow'
=2C but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by sim
ply lifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of h
aving to load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got
fed up with this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably
does me good.
>
> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright
while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thin
g had fallen over a number of times=2C covering me and the plane with fuel
I decided to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never
found a drop of water in the fuel=2C and my gascolator filter is always ve
ry clean. All the same=2C I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel=2C an
d would be interested to know how other XS owners manage this.
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> John
> Europa XS G-JHKP
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> On 4 Sep 2013=2C at 18:39=2C Alan Burrill wrote:
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ter funnel with a micro mesh filter.
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=2C connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack
Barrow' with a 25 litre can.
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> >> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
> >> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann=2C lifting this weight of fuel
to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
> >> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump=2C I presume this take a
lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
> >> Has anyone used or details off =2C an electric inline pump that can be
plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket=2C I have not seen any on the
market=2C so is it make your own=2C??
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
John, I have a simple funnel with the spout cut off so it
is about 6 or 7cm long and with a string attached to the
brim. This attaches by a half hitch to the door strut and
the whole thing is nicely stable. A paint filter inside
the funnel completes the set up when I am using a jerry
can. I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from
an airport pump. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
John Heykoop wrote:
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> Hi all
>
> I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump
>on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes
>a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting the jerry
>can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of
>having to load the barrow into the car every time I go
>flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do
>everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me
>good.
>
> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a
>filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can
>(my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen
>over a number of times, covering me and the plane with
>fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse
>consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the
>fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All
>the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel,
>and would be interested to know how other XS owners
>manage this.
>
> John
> Europa XS G-JHKP
>
> On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill
> wrote:
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>> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to
>>pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter.
>>
>> I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa
>>electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid
>>cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter"
>> wrote:
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>>> Hi All.
>>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
>>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this
>>>weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is
>>>hard work.
>>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume
>>>this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re
>>>fill.??
>>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump
>>>that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket,
>>>I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your
>>>own,??
>>> Regards.
>>> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | Bob Hitchcock <robert.hitchcock(at)virgin.net> |
Hi All
I have used the same Polarn pump for the last four years. No battery needed a
nd allows precise control directly from the jerry can that I place on a stoo
l. Can't remember where I purchased from. This link has a good picture.
http://www.absoluteflying.co.uk/Jerry_Can_Fuel_Pump/cat933351_842633.aspx
Your hand is left free to guide the filler tube into the filter.
Easy and safe.
Regards
Bob
On 4 Sep 2013, at 21:27, John Heykoop wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow',
but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply l
ifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having t
o load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up w
ith this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me g
ood.
>
> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright w
hile refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing h
ad fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I deci
ded to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a
drop of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. A
ll the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be inter
ested to know how other XS owners manage this.
>
> John
> Europa XS G-JHKP
>
> On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill wrote:
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>> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filte
r funnel with a micro mesh filter.
>>
>> I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, co
nnect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow'
with a 25 litre can.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" wrote:
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>>> Hi All.
>>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
>>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to a
bove my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
>>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot
of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
>>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plu
gged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market,
so is it make your own,??
>>> Regards.
>>> Alan
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>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | Sky Email <richard.churchill-coleman(at)sky.com> |
I can second Bob's pump choice - available from Demon Tweeks online - I use i
t to fuel my gyro with a high tank inlet (pending actually building my XS mo
no), the pump is designed for rally car fuelling in the field and can pump w
ith the jerry can at ground level or syphon if the can is close to the same l
evel as the tank inlet.
Regards
Richard CC
On 4 Sep 2013, at 22:33, Bob Hitchcock wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have used the same Polarn pump for the last four years. No battery neede
d and allows precise control directly from the jerry can that I place on a s
tool. Can't remember where I purchased from. This link has a good picture.
>
> http://www.absoluteflying.co.uk/Jerry_Can_Fuel_Pump/cat933351_842633.aspx
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> Your hand is left free to guide the filler tube into the filter.
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> Easy and safe.
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>
> Regards
>
> Bob
>
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | Kelvin Cobb <kelvin.cobb(at)icloud.com> |
I am set up similar to David, I have the smallest 'Mr Funnel' and use a small length
of para cord to tie to passenger lift strut.... Very secure. At the hangar
I have a 'waggle side to side handled pump', but on trips just carry a plastic
Jerry and my funnel and do the filling with good old fashioned brute force....
Hmmm, as I'm not getting any younger, perhaps one of those battery pump thingies
might be worth a look :-)
Sent from my iPad
On 4 Sep 2013, at 22:05, David Joyce wrote:
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> John, I have a simple funnel with the spout cut off so it is about 6 or 7cm long
and with a string attached to the brim. This attaches by a half hitch to the
door strut and the whole thing is nicely stable. A paint filter inside the
funnel completes the set up when I am using a jerry can. I don't bother with the
funnel when I am filling from an airport pump. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
> John Heykoop wrote:
>> Hi all
>> I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow', but
filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting
the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having to load
the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with this
and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good.
>> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while
refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had
fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I decided to
do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop
of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All the same,
I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be interested to know
how other XS owners manage this.
>> John
>> Europa XS G-JHKP
>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill wrote:
>>> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter
funnel with a micro mesh filter. I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in
the Europa electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All
mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. Alan
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" wrote:
>>>> Hi All.
>>>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
>>>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above
my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
>>>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of
time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
>>>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged
into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so
is it make your own,??
>>>> Regards.
>>>> Alan
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005
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>> Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | roddyeuropa(at)aol.com |
I have used a polarn oump for a number of years. The pump attaches to the t
op of a jerry can and you use a hand air pump to pressurize the jerry can.
Integral tube goes through jerry can fitting from base of can to europa fil
ler. Takes quite a lot of pumping to get the fuel transferred - probably 1
- 2 mins per 20l can.See here:
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-containers-funnels/demon-twee
ks-polarn-pump
Needs an extension to reach the filler from jerry can on the ground.
Roddy Kesterton
G-IKRK
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Carter <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net>
Sent: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 16:10
Subject: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand
Hi All.
My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to abov
e my
shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of
time
squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugge
d
into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so
is it
make your own,??
Regards.
Alan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005
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| From: | danny shepherd <danny(at)mcwalterscafe.co.uk> |
| Subject: | hose replacement |
Hi All,
I'll be trailing my a/c back to my hangar ( big shed ) soon
for some maintenance. the five year hose replacement is due early 2014
so I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone and carry out the hose
replacement at the same time.
now a couple of questions, I'd like to use the same spring clips on the
water hoses that Rotax use. so where can I get them and the tool needed
to do the job ? secondly does anyone supply a full kit to change all the
hoes fuel/oil/ water. or do I have to order them seperately?
Cheers Danny G-c.e.r.i
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Brian Davies" <brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Refilling a Europa by hand |
". I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from an
> airport pump."
David, you might be interested in the following news item;-
Contaminated fuel caused Cathay A330 incident
By: <http://www.flightglobal.com/landingpage/mavis%20toh.html> MAVIS TOH
SINGAPORE
3 hours ago
* Print
Fuel contamination has been confirmed as the cause of a double engine
malfunction on a Cathay Pacific Airbus A330-300 on approach to Hong Kong
International airport (HKIA) in 2010.
In a final report released on 4 September, Hong Kong's Civil Aviation
Department (CAD) says that 24.4t of contaminated fuel was uplifed into the
aircraft at Surabaya's Juanda International airport. This caused "stiction"
- static friction - in the fuel metering unit of both engines, leading to
the total seizure of these components and the loss of thrust controls of the
aircraft during approach to HKIA.
It found that though the aircraft was uplifed with the proper grade of fuel,
it was contaminated with super absorbent polymer (SAP) spheres. During the
flight, some SAP spheres were trapped in the fuel metering unit on both
engines, causing stiction in the unit that resulted in engine pressure ratio
fluctuations.
Moral- don't trust airport fuel pumps. I still use my Mr Funnel even when I
uplift from aviation pumps.
Regards
Brian
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of
roddyeuropa(at)aol.com
Sent: 05 September 2013 09:39
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand
I have used a polarn oump for a number of years. The pump attaches to the
top of a jerry can and you use a hand air pump to pressurize the jerry can.
Integral tube goes through jerry can fitting from base of can to europa
filler. Takes quite a lot of pumping to get the fuel transferred - probably
1 - 2 mins per 20l can.See here:
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-containers-funnels/demon-tweek
s-polarn-pump
Needs an extension to reach the filler from jerry can on the ground.
Roddy Kesterton
G-IKRK
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Carter <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net>
Sent: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 16:10
Subject: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand
Hi All.
My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above
my
shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of
time
squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged
into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so
is it
make your own,??
Regards.
Alan
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| From: | "Carl Pattinson" <carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | hose replacement |
Hi Danny,
Conair sports will supply a complete 5 yr rubber replacement kit - excluding
the Europa fuel lines which you will need to source separately.
Its not cheap but if looking for a one stop solution this is the way to go.
http://www.ekmpowershop2.com/ekmps/shops/conairsports/5-year-standard-replac
ement-package-912ul--912uls-engines-only-359-p.asp
The list price is about 500 but If you source the items separately you can
get the job done at half the cost.
The carb parts (eg: diaphragms) are standard Bing as used on BMW
motorcycles. I can find two stockists in the uk - http://www.motobins.co.uk/
\ and http://www.motorworks.co.uk/ . If you source the diaphragms from
these suppliers make sure they are the genuine Bing ones as they also sell
cheaper nitrile ones which are claimed to be superior (but arent - for
reasons I won't go into).
Kevin Dilks may be able to help you with some parts. He is a Rotax engineer
but NOT the official UK agent. He has worked for Rotax in Austria and knows
where they source most of their components from. I believe he would also be
able to supply a 5 yr kit but have no idea regarding cost.
Kevin Dilks
E-mail: Kevindilks912(at)btinternet.com
Telephone: 0116 288 5643
Mobile Phone Number: 07564 192 942
Hope this helps.
Carl Pattinson. G-LABS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of danny shepherd
Sent: 05 September 2013 09:50
Subject: Europa-List: hose replacement
-->
Hi All,
I'll be trailing my a/c back to my hangar ( big shed ) soon for
some maintenance. the five year hose replacement is due early 2014 so I
thought I'd kill two birds with one stone and carry out the hose replacement
at the same time.
now a couple of questions, I'd like to use the same spring clips on the
water hoses that Rotax use. so where can I get them and the tool needed to
do the job ? secondly does anyone supply a full kit to change all the hoes
fuel/oil/ water. or do I have to order them seperately?
Cheers Danny G-c.e.r.i
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
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=0A". I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from an =0A> airport
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Aviation Department (CAD) says that 24.4t of contaminated fuel was uplifed
into the aircraft at Surabaya's Juanda International airport. This caused "
stiction" - static friction - in the fuel metering unit of both engines, le
ading to the total seizure of these components and the loss of thrust contr
ols of the aircraft during approach to HKIA.=0AIt found that though the air
craft was uplifed with the proper grade of fuel, it was contaminated with s
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es were trapped in the fuel metering unit on both engines, causing stiction
in the unit that resulted in engine pressure ratio fluctuations.=0A-=0A
-=0AMoral- don't trust airport fuel pumps.- I still use my Mr Funnel ev
en when I uplift from aviation pumps.=0A-=0ARegards=0A-=0ABrian=0A-
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
Brian, I should perhaps have added 'This side of
Budapest'! There the Avgas supplied at the otherwise
fantastic GA airfield of Buduors, came out a horrible
yellow colour and you could imagine lumps in it too. But
the policy has worked well for 12 years.
Regards, David
"Brian Davies" wrote:
> ". I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from
>an
>
>> airport pump."
>
>
>
> David, you might be interested in the following news
>item;-
>
>
>
> Contaminated fuel caused Cathay A330 incident
>
> By:
> <http://www.flightglobal.com/landingpage/mavis%20toh.html>
> MAVIS TOH
> SINGAPORE
>
> 3 hours ago
>
> * Print
>
>Fuel contamination has been confirmed as the cause of a
>double engine
> malfunction on a Cathay Pacific Airbus A330-300 on
>approach to Hong Kong
> International airport (HKIA) in 2010.
>
> In a final report released on 4 September, Hong Kong's
>Civil Aviation
> Department (CAD) says that 24.4t of contaminated fuel
>was uplifed into the
> aircraft at Surabaya's Juanda International airport.
>This caused "stiction"
> - static friction - in the fuel metering unit of both
>engines, leading to
> the total seizure of these components and the loss of
>thrust controls of the
> aircraft during approach to HKIA.
>
> It found that though the aircraft was uplifed with the
>proper grade of fuel,
> it was contaminated with super absorbent polymer (SAP)
>spheres. During the
> flight, some SAP spheres were trapped in the fuel
>metering unit on both
> engines, causing stiction in the unit that resulted in
>engine pressure ratio
> fluctuations.
>
>
>
>
>
> Moral- don't trust airport fuel pumps. I still use my
>Mr Funnel even when I
> uplift from aviation pumps.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On
>Behalf Of
> roddyeuropa(at)aol.com
> Sent: 05 September 2013 09:39
> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand
>
>
>
> I have used a polarn oump for a number of years. The
>pump attaches to the
> top of a jerry can and you use a hand air pump to
>pressurize the jerry can.
> Integral tube goes through jerry can fitting from base
>of can to europa
> filler. Takes quite a lot of pumping to get the fuel
>transferred - probably
> 1 - 2 mins per 20l can.See here:
>
> http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/fuel-containers-funnels/demon-tweek
> s-polarn-pump
> Needs an extension to reach the filler from jerry can on
>the ground.
>
> Roddy Kesterton
>
> G-IKRK
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Alan Carter <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net>
> To: europa-list
> Sent: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 16:10
> Subject: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand
>
>
>
> Hi All.
> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this
>weight of fuel to above
> my
> shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume
>this take a lot of
> time
> squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump
>that can be plugged
>
> into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any
>on the market, so
> is it
> make your own,??
> Regards.
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com> |
Kelvin, David
Thanks for the advice about keeping 'Mr Funnel' from falling over when refilling
a Europa XS from a jerry can. Now why didn't I figure out something like that
myself ....
John
On 5 Sep 2013, at 08:34, Kelvin Cobb wrote:
>
> I am set up similar to David, I have the smallest 'Mr Funnel' and use a small
length of para cord to tie to passenger lift strut.... Very secure. At the hangar
I have a 'waggle side to side handled pump', but on trips just carry a plastic
Jerry and my funnel and do the filling with good old fashioned brute force....
Hmmm, as I'm not getting any younger, perhaps one of those battery pump
thingies might be worth a look :-)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 4 Sep 2013, at 22:05, David Joyce wrote:
>
>>
>> John, I have a simple funnel with the spout cut off so it is about 6 or 7cm
long and with a string attached to the brim. This attaches by a half hitch to
the door strut and the whole thing is nicely stable. A paint filter inside the
funnel completes the set up when I am using a jerry can. I don't bother with
the funnel when I am filling from an airport pump. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>>
>>
>> John Heykoop wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>> I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow',
but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting
the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having to load
the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with
this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good.
>>> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while
refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had
fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I decided
to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop
of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All the
same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be interested to
know how other XS owners manage this.
>>> John
>>> Europa XS G-JHKP
>>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill wrote:
>>>> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter
funnel with a micro mesh filter. I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in
the Europa electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All
mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. Alan
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" wrote:
>>>>> Hi All.
>>>>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
>>>>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above
my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
>>>>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot
of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
>>>>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged
into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so
is it make your own,??
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>> Alan
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005
>>> Un/Subscription,
>>> Forums!
>>> Admin.
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>>
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| From: | Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
>>What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel
upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS).<<
Mine's an XS also.
Large Oblong shape funnel with a spout that has been cut so it's about 3
in long. Hooks into the filler and stays in place. Not upright admitted.
Can has a spout fixed to it. Pour fuel from can without resting on
funnel and don't overdo it, aim direct for funnel filter and try not to
overfill funnel use a constant flow of fuel.
Alan
On 4 Sep 2013, at 21:27, John Heykoop wrote:
> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel
upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS).
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Frans Veldman <frans(at)privatepilots.nl> |
| Subject: | Re: solid state contactors |
On 09/03/2013 09:03 PM, Fred Klein wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has installed or has the expertise to evaluate these:
>
> http://www.periheliondesign.com/powerlinkjr/PowerLinkJrIIIManual.pdf
>
> thanks for any insights,
Yeah, I have seen them too. For some purposes they could be fine.
However I just use regular switches for almost all low power purposes.
In the case I need relays (like for high current devices) I like to use
real relays instead of SSR's. Look at the heat sink these SSR's have.
They are there for a reason. The reason is voltage loss (and subsequent
heat production in the relay). And one of the reasons you use a relay
instead of a switch is to eliminate voltage loss due to lenghty wires.
So these SSR's negate their own purpose in some way.
I use regular car relays for high current switching purposes. Our
aircraft see much daily less use than cars, and if these relays are fine
for daily use in a car, they should be fine for an aircraft as well.
Frans
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Side window for photography -is it easy, former? |
| From: | "graeme bird" <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk> |
I need to get the camera out through the perspex, fed up with reflections spoiling
the shots. I looked at it a while back and I recall someone had a template
for cutting out a glider style opening (Pete Jeffers?). I would be interested
to know how hard it is to cut the perspex, whether you use the existing flap
or it comes with its own? Where I can buy them from?
Is a down flap best or slide? And where best to put it for strength and camera
access.
The cooling would be a help too.
Thanks
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 75 hours 18 months
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Side window for photography -is it easy, former? |
| From: | Carl Pattinson <carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk> |
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| Subject: | Re: solid state contactors |
| From: | Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator(at)gmail.com> |
Hi Fred,
I did use one of his SCS switches about 6 or 7 years ago as my main
contactor (not starter relay). My main attraction was that SCS does not
have a hold in current and as you are aware the Rotax alternator is fairly
weak.
If worked okay for about 18 months and then one day the engine kicked back
while it was cranking and it destroyed it.
I think his new product has a much higher current rating, however I still
do not know if it is robust enough for this application.
In your case it solves problems you don't have and creates new ones. :)
Regards Paul.
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| From: | K BURNS <kjburns(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Side window for photography -is it easy, former? |
Graeme,=0ASome good camera options to fasten on outside and use remote cont
rols...=0Ahttp://www.flightcam360.com/=0A-=0AWe have some clear view pane
ls and rails in the workshop off gliders...they can be sourced from mecaple
x Switzerland...if you want a tint to match your aircraft.=0A-=0AThere is
a high risk in installing in a old transparency as they get brittle due to
UV and stress....there will be an annealing temperature, that also is risk
y.=0A-=0AA high speed cut off saw (Air powered disk cutter ) is what we p
refer to use, drill screw holes with a blunted drill to avoid snatch breaka
ges...=0A-=0AMost gliders end up with damage from this area at some point
in their life, usually caused by arms reaching in or out.=0A-=0AHence my
opening sugestions !=0A-=0ABut a clear view panel saved us from coming t
o grief , on take off at dawn from Elverum in Norway, mid winter at minus 1
5 degrees when the canopy instantly iced as we got off the ground at dawn,
we circled the airfield as we climbed to meet the sun using the DV panels u
ntil the ice melted !=0A-=0AKevin=0A =0A=0A______________________________
__=0A From: graeme bird <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list(at)matronics.co
m =0ASent: Thursday, 5 September 2013, 22:12=0ASubject: Europa-List: Side w
indow for photography -is it easy, former?=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-List messag
e posted by: "graeme bird" =0A=0AI need to get the came
ra out through the perspex, fed up with reflections spoiling the shots. I l
ooked at it a while back and I recall someone had a template for cutting ou
t a glider style opening (Pete Jeffers?). I would be interested to know how
hard it is to cut the perspex, whether you use the existing flap or it com
es with its own? Where I can buy them from?=0AIs a down flap best or slide?
And where best to put it for strength and camera access.=0AThe cooling wou
ld be a help too.=0A=0AThanks=0A=0A--------=0AGraeme Bird=0AG-UMPY=0AMono C
lassic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W=0ANewby: 75 hours 18 months =0Ag(at)gdbmk.c
o.uk=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronic
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel filters |
| From: | rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us |
Hi Raimo
You mentioned:
Notice:
- Adding one-way-valve to the fuel return line
(idea by Frans Veldman) is a great must (and
mandatory at least for me).
Can you elaborate a little on why you might want to put a one-way-valve
on the fuel return line? Is this for a 914 fuel system?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel filters |
| From: | rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us |
Hi Raimo
You mentioned:
Notice:
- Adding one-way-valve to the fuel return line
(idea by Frans Veldman) is a great must (and
mandatory at least for me).
Can you elaborate a little on why you might want to put a one-way-valve
on the fuel return line? Is this for a 914 fuel system?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Side window for photography -is it easy, former? |
| From: | "flyingphil2" <flyingphil627-europastuff(at)yahoo.co.uk> |
Hi Graeme,
RD Aviation was absorbed into AFE a long time ago. I found a link here:
http://www.afeonline.com/shop/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Mecaplex&search=Search
Also, Severn Valley Sailplanes sell them too and seem cheaper:
http://svsponline.co.uk
Regards,
Phil
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| From: | "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev(at)talktalk.net> |
| Subject: | Texel weather ,,,...... |
Hi! Just to be helpful........I can confirm that the weather here is hot and
humid with wall to wall blue sky.........what is it
Cavok......
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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| Subject: | Re: Texel weather ,,,...... |
| From: | Frans Veldman <frans(at)privatepilots.nl> |
Beware! Early afternoon bkn008 and sea fog is forecasted, followed by TSRAGR. Better
arrive early.
See you!
Frans
Bob Harrison wrote:
>Hi! Just to be helpful........I can confirm that the weather here is
>hot and
>humid with wall to wall blue sky.........what is it
>
>Cavok......
>
>Regards
>
>Bob Harrison G-PTAG
--
Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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| From: | danny shepherd <danny(at)mcwalterscafe.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: hose replacement |
On 05/09/2013 10:23, Carl Pattinson wrote:
>
> Hi Danny,
>
> Conair sports will supply a complete 5 yr rubber replacement kit - excluding
> the Europa fuel lines which you will need to source separately.
>
> Its not cheap but if looking for a one stop solution this is the way to go.
>
> http://www.ekmpowershop2.com/ekmps/shops/conairsports/5-year-standard-replac
> ement-package-912ul--912uls-engines-only-359-p.asp
>
> The list price is about 500 but If you source the items separately you can
> get the job done at half the cost.
>
> The carb parts (eg: diaphragms) are standard Bing as used on BMW
> motorcycles. I can find two stockists in the uk - http://www.motobins.co.uk/
> \ and http://www.motorworks.co.uk/ . If you source the diaphragms from
> these suppliers make sure they are the genuine Bing ones as they also sell
> cheaper nitrile ones which are claimed to be superior (but arent - for
> reasons I won't go into).
>
> Kevin Dilks may be able to help you with some parts. He is a Rotax engineer
> but NOT the official UK agent. He has worked for Rotax in Austria and knows
> where they source most of their components from. I believe he would also be
> able to supply a 5 yr kit but have no idea regarding cost.
>
>
> Kevin Dilks
> E-mail: Kevindilks912(at)btinternet.com
> Telephone: 0116 288 5643
> Mobile Phone Number: 07564 192 942
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Carl Pattinson. G-LABS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of danny shepherd
> Sent: 05 September 2013 09:50
> To: matronics
> Subject: Europa-List: hose replacement
>
> -->
>
> Hi All,
> I'll be trailing my a/c back to my hangar ( big shed ) soon for
> some maintenance. the five year hose replacement is due early 2014 so I
> thought I'd kill two birds with one stone and carry out the hose replacement
> at the same time.
> now a couple of questions, I'd like to use the same spring clips on the
> water hoses that Rotax use. so where can I get them and the tool needed to
> do the job ? secondly does anyone supply a full kit to change all the hoes
> fuel/oil/ water. or do I have to order them seperately?
>
> Cheers Danny G-c.e.r.i
>
>
> Cheers Carl thanks for the info.
Danny.
>
>
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Texel weather ,,,...... |
Bob, Thanks. Could you be really helpful and post a local
METAR at say 8.30 local tomorrow for the sake of those
contemplating Sat arrival. The forecasts look generally
good apart from RASP predictions which seem to suggest a
cloudbase something below windmill height!
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
"Bob Harrison" wrote:
> Hi! Just to be helpful........I can confirm that the
>weather here is hot and
> humid with wall to wall blue sky.........what is it
>
> Cavok......
>
> Regards
>
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
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| From: | "Scudrunner" <howardbrooksster(at)gmail.com> |
While my bird is in the workshop for some enforced repairs (don't ask, I'm too
embarrassed), I thought I might update the graphics. I've seen some nice swoopy
graphics on Europas and assume that they are simple stick on vinyl?
Can anyone advise on sources and costs?
Thanks
Howard
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| Subject: | Re: hose replacement |
| From: | "Dave Disney" <davedisney(at)yahoo.co.uk> |
Hi Danny,
there is also a silicone hose replacement kit as advertised in the Europa Flyer
- contact is ingemarsson.s(at)telia.com I have no idea what is included in the
kit or how much it costs but it could be a viable alternative.
Cheers
Dave
G-RJWX
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| From: | "Europaul383" <europaul383(at)hotmail.com> |
I used Paul Burton at TWF Solutions (part of Swift) to design the graphic - cost
120 GBP, less 10% for Europa owners, plus 20% VAT = 129.60 GBP.
He gets his local branch of Signs Express to make up the vinyl (he supplies them
with final PDF camera-ready artwork), cost 265 GBP plus 20% VAT = 318.00 GBP.
You could then ask your local Signs Express (or whoever) to apply the vinyl if
you don't feel up to experimenting... I was quoted 290 GBP plus 20% VAT = 348.00
GBP.
Plenty of videos on YouTube of how to apply vinyl; you'll need chinagraph (grease
pencil), masking tape, water, detergent, squeegee, a steady hand and nerves
of steel... :-)
Contact details:
http://www.signsexpress.co.uk/branch-locator/
Paul Burton
This Way Forward
+44 (0)1933 654810
+44 (0)7590 196648
www.twf-solutions.co.uk
Hope this helps
Paul M
383 XS Mono 912S
G-PLPM
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| From: | "Scudrunner" <howardbrooksster(at)gmail.com> |
Wow, that looks great. Who would own copyright for the design? I'd need different
colours but.....
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Scout camp at Defford 14-15/9/13 |
For those in the south of England:
The Gloucester Strut is as ever helping to give a large
group of air scouts free flights during their weekend camp
on 14t or 15th of September, at Croft Farm /Defford
(about 10 nm N of Gloucester, EGBJ, grass runway,570m,
28/10). We could do with a few more pilot volunteers to
help with these highly motivated youngsters.
Timing: 10.00am onwards on the Saturday or if
weather dictates on the Sunday.
Required experience: 250 hrs total. 20hrs on type;
3hrs on type in last 90/7;
3 T/Os &
Landings in last 30/7
Age limit: None
What's involved: Flying scouts around a 20 minute
triangular course alongside
the Malvern Hills
What's in it for you: A feeling of deep
satisfaction at enthusing the next
generation of pilots
+ some scout cooked food, including
some stunning
pancakes!
If you can help or would like to know more contact me
soonest please
David Joyce, G-XSDJ, 01454 260542 or email
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| Subject: | Re: Scout camp at Defford 14-15/9/13 |
| From: | "gtagr" <clive.maf(at)googlemail.com> |
Hi David,
Might be able to help - isn't there some LAA restriction on flying young people?
Maybe that's just the Air Cadets?
Clive
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| From: | Paul Mansfield <europaul383(at)hotmail.com> |
Thanks Howard,
Well I guess I own the copyright - I commissioned Paul B to complete the
graphic design to my ideas/thinking.
Happy for you to use it (imitation is the sincerest form... and all that).
The swirl across the tail is supposed to suggest a parachute (a past life)
so you may want to modify it for your own purposes.
I have artwork PDF if you want.
Paul M
383 XS Mono 912S
G-PLPM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scudrunner
Sent: 06 September 2013 14:47
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Graphics
-->
Wow, that looks great. Who would own copyright for the design? I'd need
different colours but.....
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| From: | "Scudrunner" <howardbrooksster(at)gmail.com> |
Paul,
It would be very kind of you if I could use the design. Personally I have no design
flair whatsoever.
I see what you mean about the parachute. As I started this aviation thing with
paragliding, perhaps it resonates with my history also?
The pdf would be great.
Thanks
Howard
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| From: | Jeff B <topglock(at)cox.net> |
Howard,
Where are you located?
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 9/6/2013 4:27 AM, Scudrunner wrote:
>
> While my bird is in the workshop for some enforced repairs (don't ask, I'm too
embarrassed), I thought I might update the graphics. I've seen some nice swoopy
graphics on Europas and assume that they are simple stick on vinyl?
>
> Can anyone advise on sources and costs?
>
> Thanks
>
> Howard
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408129#408129
>
>
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| From: | "Scudrunner" <howardbrooksster(at)gmail.com> |
I'm in the UK - West Sussex
Howard
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| From: | Jeff B <topglock(at)cox.net> |
I do graphics, but in the US... Sorry.
Jeff
On 9/6/2013 12:00 PM, Scudrunner wrote:
>
> I'm in the UK - West Sussex
>
> Howard
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| From: | danny shepherd <danny(at)mcwalterscafe.co.uk> |
Murray flint of Kings Lyne did mine for me a few years ago, can't
remember the exact price but did a great job.
attached a pic Danny.
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| Subject: | Re: Scout camp at Defford 14-15/9/13 |
| From: | Kelvin Cobb <kelvin.cobb(at)icloud.com> |
Hello David,
I'd be happy to support this, just let me know what you need.
I meet the required experience criteria and am always up for free food especially
pancakes :-)
Regards
Kelvin G-BZAM
07933-698969
Kelvin.cobb(at)gmail.com
Sent from my iPad
On 6 Sep 2013, at 14:54, David Joyce wrote:
>
>
> For those in the south of England:
> The Gloucester Strut is as ever helping to give a large group of air scouts free
flights during their weekend camp on 14t or 15th of September, at Croft Farm
/Defford (about 10 nm N of Gloucester, EGBJ, grass runway,570m, 28/10). We
could do with a few more pilot volunteers to help with these highly motivated
youngsters.
> Timing: 10.00am onwards on the Saturday or if weather dictates on the Sunday.
> Required experience: 250 hrs total. 20hrs on type; 3hrs on type in last
90/7;
> 3 T/Os & Landings in last 30/7
> Age limit: None
> What's involved: Flying scouts around a 20 minute triangular course alongside
> the Malvern Hills
> What's in it for you: A feeling of deep satisfaction at enthusing the next
> generation of pilots + some scout cooked
food, including
> some stunning pancakes!
> If you can help or would like to know more contact me soonest please
> David Joyce, G-XSDJ, 01454 260542 or email
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Texel weather ,,,...... |
| From: | "zwakie" <mz(at)cariama.nl> |
Bob 'The Boss' anker me to provider the UK-folks THE local METAR, so here goes.
These are the ones along Holland's west coaster:
ZCZC
SA070525 EHAM AMSTERDAM/SCHIPHOL NLD -3 m.
METAR EHAM 070525Z 20004KT 9999 BKN040 17/15 Q1014 NOSIG
ZCZC
SA070525 EHKD DE KOOY/DE KOOY NLD 1 m.
METAR EHKD 070525Z AUTO 20003KT 8000 BR FEW062 OVC110 16/15 Q1014
BLU 19004KT 7000 BKN024 OVC060 BECMG 9999 SCT025 BKN060
ZCZC
SA070525 EHRD ROTTERDAM/THE HAGUE AIRPORT NLD -5 m.
METAR EHRD 070525Z AUTO 21004KT 160V250 9999 BKN042 BKN049 16/13
Q1014 NOSIG
ZCZC
SA070525 EHVL VLIELAND NLD 10 m.
METAR EHVL 070525Z AUTO 24008KT 9999 FEW025 OVC055 17/15 Q1014
BLU RMK TS INFO NOT AVBL
ZCZC
SA070525 EHWO WOENSDRECHT/WOENSDRECHT NLD 19 m.
METAR EHWO 070525Z AUTO 16001KT 9999 BKN033 OVC038 15/14 Q1014 BLU
--------
Marcel Zwakenberg
(Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW)
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Texel weather ,,,...... |
Marcel. Thanks. I had really meant him just to look out of
his tent without getting out of bed! David Joyce
"zwakie" wrote:
>
>
> Bob 'The Boss' anker me to provider the UK-folks THE
>local METAR, so here goes. These are the ones along
>Holland's west coaster:
>
>
>
> ZCZC
> SA070525 EHAM AMSTERDAM/SCHIPHOL NLD -3 m.
> METAR EHAM 070525Z 20004KT 9999 BKN040 17/15 Q1014
>NOSIG
>
>
> ZCZC
> SA070525 EHKD DE KOOY/DE KOOY NLD 1 m.
> METAR EHKD 070525Z AUTO 20003KT 8000 BR FEW062 OVC110
>16/15 Q1014
> BLU 19004KT 7000 BKN024 OVC060 BECMG 9999 SCT025 BKN060
>
>
> ZCZC
> SA070525 EHRD ROTTERDAM/THE HAGUE AIRPORT NLD -5
>m.
> METAR EHRD 070525Z AUTO 21004KT 160V250 9999 BKN042
>BKN049 16/13
> Q1014 NOSIG
>
>
> ZCZC
> SA070525 EHVL VLIELAND NLD 10 m.
> METAR EHVL 070525Z AUTO 24008KT 9999 FEW025 OVC055 17/15
>Q1014
> BLU RMK TS INFO NOT AVBL
>
> ZCZC
> SA070525 EHWO WOENSDRECHT/WOENSDRECHT NLD 19 m.
> METAR EHWO 070525Z AUTO 16001KT 9999 BKN033 OVC038 15/14
>Q1014 BLU
>
> --------
> Marcel Zwakenberg
> (Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW)
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Firewall Off-cut |
A bit of a strange request but ...... does anyone (in the UK) still have
the section of the phenolic firewall that would have been cut out and
discarded when installing the main engine/undercarriage frame? As some
of you will be aware, I am developing a conventional gear and as this
does not make use of this frame, I am looking to close off the hole with
suitably fire retardant material.
If you still have this lurking in the scrap pile in your workshop, I
would be happy to offer it a new home.
Nigel
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Firewall Off-cut |
| From: | Richard Iddon <riddon(at)sent.com> |
Nigel.
I have a small piece approx. 7in. x 13in. if this is any good to you.
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS.
On 7 Sep 2013, at 11:46, nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote:
>
> A bit of a strange request but ...... does anyone (in the UK) still have the
section of the phenolic firewall that would have been cut out and discarded when
installing the main engine/undercarriage frame? As some of you will be aware,
I am developing a conventional gear and as this does not make use of this frame,
I am looking to close off the hole with suitably fire retardant material.
>
> If you still have this lurking in the scrap pile in your workshop, I would be
happy to offer it a new home.
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | fuel sight tube - advice needed how to prevent bubble |
| From: | "graeme bird" <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk> |
Filled the tank in stages and checked the sight tube as its been a bit odd and
I thought I may have made a mistake in marking. At about 4/5ths full the reading
goes down but the vent tube stays full. I presume due to wiggles in the pipe
and when the surface tension matches the force of the air wanting to escape
the bubble stays and it misreads.
I am thinking putting a larger dia pipe from the tank to to vent would cure it
or maybe just a wide section (like a filter glass with no filter) might do it.
I only use if for ground fuel state assessment.
Found the seal on the electric qauge is seeping slightly, wretched thing wish I'd
gone straight to the FPL5 fuel flow gauge.
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 75 hours 18 months
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| From: | "graeme bird" <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk> |
My cockpit is all bare apart from the seats, Where would I get light, fire resistant
carpet from? I have made up some paper formers. I could even consider some
upholstery if I knew what to use and where to get it.
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 75 hours 18 months
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid Servo |
| From: | Kelvin Cobb <kelvin.cobb(at)icloud.com> |
Ok, nearly there with getting all the parts together to complete the Navaid wing
leveller installation.
Would anyone know the parent numbers & where to purchase the constituent parts
that make up the 'push rod' that connects the servo to the aircraft? I can see
from photos, that its a length of tubing, rod ends & very small rose joints;
but my head hurts from trying to track down all the correct numbers :-(
Regards as alway
Kelvin (G-BZAM)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Carl Pattinson" <carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk> |
LAS Aerospace Ltd (Light Aero Spares) would be my first port of call - they
should stock everything you require.
http://www.lasaero.com
What you need will depend on the how you are installing it - I am not aware
of any standard installation.
Here is a quick pic of ours which I designed myself (sorry, not the full
installation - this was a shot of the stick which shows where the servo arm
is connected). It is a short length of tube and two rod ends bolted to a
bracket at the base of the control stick.
Hope this helps.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelvin Cobb
Sent: 07 September 2013 16:14
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Navaid Servo
Ok, nearly there with getting all the parts together to complete the Navaid
wing leveller installation.
Would anyone know the parent numbers & where to purchase the constituent
parts that make up the 'push rod' that connects the servo to the aircraft? I
can see from photos, that its a length of tubing, rod ends & very small rose
joints; but my head hurts from trying to track down all the correct numbers
:-(
Regards as alway
Kelvin (G-BZAM)
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jeff B <topglock(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Carpet type ? |
Graeme,
There is a very light carpet, meant for auto interiors, that is sold in
small rolls at places like Auto Zone and other automotive suppliers. It
is pliable enough to be stretched around the contours of the center
tunnel. A little heat from a heat gun and it forms perfectly. Any good
spray adhesive will hold it in place. I would estimate all the carpet in
Baby Blue weighs less than half a kilo.
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 9/7/2013 9:35 AM, graeme bird wrote:
>
> My cockpit is all bare apart from the seats, Where would I get light, fire resistant
carpet from? I have made up some paper formers. I could even consider
some upholstery if I knew what to use and where to get it.
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
> Newby: 75 hours 18 months
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408196#408196
>
>
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| From: | "craig" <craigb(at)onthenet.com.au> |
SOME not all marine carpets are a good choice also, I bought 8 metres on a
roll 8 feet wide and the whole lot weighs in at about 4kg, very hard wearing
and fire resistant, comes in a choice of colours, once cut I expect mine
will weigh in around 2kg, that's covering the front floor and sides up to
the door opening, tunnel, seat back (front top and back)
And baggage bay floor up to the fuselage join and the bulkhead apart from
the D panel
Hope this helps
craig
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Christoph Both <christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLASSIC |
TRI
Dear Europa Community:
I am in the process of establishing Weight&Balance for my Europa Classic En
gine Frame Trigear.
The question of the firewall forward datum has come up as data produced fro
m preliminary measurements of weight and distance have not yet returned a s
atisfactory reference to the required 58'-62.5' CG envelope.
The Classic version I completed has the Classic Engine Mount fitted, this i
s why I referred to the Pilot Handbook from 1998. However, the handbook sho
ws only the MONO configuration. No reference to the recently more common z
ero station to be found at 29.75 inches forward from the backward firewall
juggle is made there. And I assume this newer, more precise measurement pro
bably applies to the XS motor mount and cowling which might have quite diff
erent dimensions. My Classic forward face of the cowling shows 29.0 inches
from that firewall juggle.
Am I missing something important here? Where exactly os the Zero Datum for
Classic Engine Mount Europas to be found?
Finally, I assume the nose wheel is supposed to point backwards towards the
tail when taking weight and distance measurements from station zero.
If there is an official documentation how to establish W&B for my configura
tion, I appreciate this.
Thank you.
Christoph Both
#223 Classic 912ULS
C-GPEL
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| From: | GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLASSIC |
TRI
Christoph=0ADon't be too confused by different data, (datums? don't sound r
ight does it?)=0AThe critical issue is the relationship between Centre of P
ressure and C of G. The datum is an empirical position chosen for convenien
ce of calculation, so you need to refer your calculated CG to the datum use
d to calculate it. I suggest you use the XS datum point, remember you need
to be accurate with distance measurement, (0.1 inch.)-=0AI always use a s
preadsheet, this can be entered in your iPad to check loading in the field.
This -works for any airplane. I simply enter the relevant lengths which
sometimes have a -ve sign if they are the other side of the datum. For anot
her airplane just alter the measurements.-=0AI hope that helps, please no
te I've had my nocturnal Scotch which might dilute quality of communication
.-=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Christoph B
oth =0ATo: "europa-list(at)matronics.com" =0ASent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 23:09=0ASubject: Re
: Europa-List: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLASSIC TRI
=0A =0A=0A=0ADear Europa Community:=0AI am in the process of establishing W
eight&Balance for my Europa Classic Engine Frame Trigear.=0AThe question of
the firewall forward datum has come up as data produced from preliminary m
easurements of weight and distance have not yet returned a satisfactory ref
erence to the required 58'-62.5' CG envelope.-=0AThe Classic version I co
mpleted has the Classic Engine Mount fitted, this is why I referred to the
Pilot Handbook from 1998. However, the handbook shows only -the MONO conf
iguration. No reference to the recently more common zero station to be foun
d at 29.75 inches forward from the backward firewall juggle is made there.
And I assume this newer, more precise measurement probably applies to the X
S motor mount and cowling which might have quite different dimensions. -M
y Classic forward face of the cowling shows 29.0 inches from that firewall
juggle.=0AAm I missing something important here? Where exactly os the Zero
Datum for Classic Engine Mount Europas to be found?=0AFinally, I assume the
nose wheel is supposed to point backwards towards the tail when taking wei
ght and distance measurements from station zero.=0AIf there is an official
documentation how to establish W&B for my configuration, I appreciate this.
===========
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| From: | Christoph Both <christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca> |
| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLASSIC |
TRI
Graham,
Thank you so much for addressing my questions. Much appreciated.
Best,
Christoph
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com<mailto:grahamsinglet
on(at)btinternet.com>>
ropa-list(at)matronics.com>
Date: Saturday, 7 September, 2013 8:36 PM
ist(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLA
SSIC TRI
Christoph
Don't be too confused by different data, (datums? don't sound right does it
?)
The critical issue is the relationship between Centre of Pressure and C of
G. The datum is an empirical position chosen for convenience of calculation
, so you need to refer your calculated CG to the datum used to calculate it
. I suggest you use the XS datum point, remember you need to be accurate wi
th distance measurement, (0.1 inch.)
I always use a spreadsheet, this can be entered in your iPad to check loadi
ng in the field. This works for any airplane. I simply enter the relevant
lengths which sometimes have a -ve sign if they are the other side of the d
atum. For another airplane just alter the measurements.
I hope that helps, please note I've had my nocturnal Scotch which might dil
ute quality of communication.
Graham
________________________________
From: Christoph Both <christoph.both(at)acadiau.ca<mailto:christoph.both(at)acadi
au.ca>>
ist(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 23:09
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLA
SSIC TRI
Dear Europa Community:
I am in the process of establishing Weight&Balance for my Europa Classic En
gine Frame Trigear.
The question of the firewall forward datum has come up as data produced fro
m preliminary measurements of weight and distance have not yet returned a s
atisfactory reference to the required 58'-62.5' CG envelope.
The Classic version I completed has the Classic Engine Mount fitted, this i
s why I referred to the Pilot Handbook from 1998. However, the handbook sho
ws only the MONO configuration. No reference to the recently more common z
ero station to be found at 29.75 inches forward from the backward firewall
juggle is made there. And I assume this newer, more precise measurement pro
bably applies to the XS motor mount and cowling which might have quite diff
erent dimensions. My Classic forward face of the cowling shows 29.0 inches
from that firewall juggle.
Am I missing something important here? Where exactly os the Zero Datum for
Classic Engine Mount Europas to be found?
Finally, I assume the nose wheel is supposed to point backwards towards the
tail when taking weight and distance measurements from station zero.
If there is an official documentation how to establish W&B for my configura
tion, I appreciate this.
Thank you.
Christoph Both
#223 Classic 912ULS
C-GPEL
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m/">ht=======================
://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Scout camp at Defford 14-15/9/13 |
Kelvin, Many thanks I attach the Pilot Briefing sheet.
Regards, David
Kelvin Cobb wrote:
>
>
> Hello David,
> I'd be happy to support this, just let me know what you
>need.
> I meet the required experience criteria and am always up
>for free food especially pancakes :-)
>
> Regards
> Kelvin G-BZAM
> 07933-698969
> Kelvin.cobb(at)gmail.com
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 6 Sep 2013, at 14:54, David Joyce
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> For those in the south of England:
>> The Gloucester Strut is as ever helping to give a large
>>group of air scouts free flights during their weekend
>>camp on 14t or 15th of September, at Croft Farm /Defford
>>(about 10 nm N of Gloucester, EGBJ, grass runway,570m,
>>28/10). We could do with a few more pilot volunteers to
>>help with these highly motivated youngsters.
>> Timing: 10.00am onwards on the Saturday or if
>>weather dictates on the Sunday.
>> Required experience: 250 hrs total. 20hrs on type;
>>3hrs on type in last 90/7;
>> 3 T/Os &
>>Landings in last 30/7
>> Age limit: None
>> What's involved: Flying scouts around a 20 minute
>>triangular course alongside
>> the Malvern Hills
>> What's in it for you: A feeling of deep
>>satisfaction at enthusing the next
>> generation of pilots
>>+ some scout cooked food, including
>> some stunning
>>pancakes!
>> If you can help or would like to know more contact me
>>soonest please
>> David Joyce, G-XSDJ, 01454 260542 or email
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| From: | "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley(at)juno.com> |
Hello Graeme, I sourced my carpet from Airtex Interiors http://www.airte
xinteriors.com/samplesCategory.php?categoryKey=carpeting Meets FAA req
uirements for aircraft interiors. The carpet is plush and rather lightw
eight. I used it for all of the foot wells, rear baggage floor and shel
f. It has held up very well these past 10+ years of service. Good luck.
Erich TrombleyN28ET Classis Mono 914
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| From: | John Cliff <johnfcliff(at)googlemail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Firewall Off-cut |
> A bit of a strange request but ...... does anyone (in the UK) still
have the section of the
> phenolic firewall that would have been cut out and discarded when
installing the main
> engine/undercarriage frame?
I have a piece about 9" x 11" if it's any use.
John Cliff
#0259
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| From: | Andrew Sarangan <asarangan(at)gmail.com> |
I am in the process of bonding the bushes into the CM and the guide
sockets. The pre-made spar bushes align perfectly with each other, and
I can drop the 1/2" bolts in with no effort. However, the mating blank
holes in the CM are a tad too far apart, by about 1mm. The bush
doesn't have much wiggle room in the hole. Nevertheless, with a lot of
force and torque I am able to drive the bolt in. Removing the bolt is
also a big struggle. This doesn't seem right.
My thought was that the holes were either made with a small error, or,
possibly the cockpit module could have expanded or twisted with time.
I was going to lightly grind the inside of the hole to expand it and
then bond the bush with flox. My question is, which bush? We are only
talking about 1mm, so it may not matter but I didn't want to run in to
problems later due to this.
Another related concern is, given that the CM has some flexibility at
this stage, even if I make the bushes align perfectly now, I am
concerned if they may not align later. So one thought I had was to
attach a long thick steel plate to the bushes (like a dummy spar) and
leave it in there until after the cockpit module is bonded. Has anyone
tried something like this, or is this an overkill?
BTW, I am in awe of those who did this step by supporting the wings on
wooden blocks and beer crates. It took me a greater part of a week to
tweak the height and angles and lots of shimming to get the wings line
up. This was not trivial. I have some photos on my website.
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| From: | "Greg Fuchs " <gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcast.net> |
Hi Andrew,
I had the same problem as you did. With the bushings dry-fit into the holes
into the cockpit module, it was a very tight fit for installing the wing
plus bolts into the module.
After scratching my head a little, I decided to split the difference, and
file the inboard part of both holes a little bit to prevent any offset
towards either side of the aircraft. Then if you set up your wings carefully
at the proper attitude at this stage, it should supply dividends throughout
the entire project. The front of the module was on the ground during this
procedure, and hence the leading and trailing edges of the wings were
pointed groundward and skyward, respectably. That way only two wing supports
were needed to be built up, and they doubled as wing holders for the rest of
the project. My wing pins still slide in easily, and the bushings never had
to be re-positioned later on. I Araldited (is that a verb? :) )and floxed
mine in at that early stage, but skipped putting in the 3mm plywood supports
over the bushings until the wing lift-drag pins were installed into the
fuselage...just in case the bushings didn't line up later, and needed to be
removed. All was good however, and I installed those plywood pieces about 6
months ago. I never had to support the bushings with anything but the
cockpit module.
If I remember correctly, my method of filing both holes in the cockpit
module was ok'd and verified by the company before I did it. It was only a
very small amount that needed to be filed.
To sum up, if the bushings are installed properly in the beginning (taking
lateral offsets and wing attitude into account) they should not ever have to
be removed or re-positioned later.
Regards,
Greg F
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:55 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Spar pin bushes
I am in the process of bonding the bushes into the CM and the guide sockets.
The pre-made spar bushes align perfectly with each other, and I can drop the
1/2" bolts in with no effort. However, the mating blank holes in the CM are
a tad too far apart, by about 1mm. The bush doesn't have much wiggle room in
the hole. Nevertheless, with a lot of force and torque I am able to drive
the bolt in. Removing the bolt is also a big struggle. This doesn't seem
right.
My thought was that the holes were either made with a small error, or,
possibly the cockpit module could have expanded or twisted with time.
I was going to lightly grind the inside of the hole to expand it and then
bond the bush with flox. My question is, which bush? We are only talking
about 1mm, so it may not matter but I didn't want to run in to problems
later due to this.
Another related concern is, given that the CM has some flexibility at this
stage, even if I make the bushes align perfectly now, I am concerned if they
may not align later. So one thought I had was to attach a long thick steel
plate to the bushes (like a dummy spar) and leave it in there until after
the cockpit module is bonded. Has anyone tried something like this, or is
this an overkill?
BTW, I am in awe of those who did this step by supporting the wings on
wooden blocks and beer crates. It took me a greater part of a week to tweak
the height and angles and lots of shimming to get the wings line up. This
was not trivial. I have some photos on my website.
_
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| Subject: | Re: Scout camp at Defford 14-15/9/13 |
| From: | "Bill & Sue" <Billandsue(at)billbell.co.uk> |
David,
Sue and I live near Defford and were planning to attend, unfortunately our plane
has to go in for its Annual on the Friday but we aim to show up and see what
we can do to help. If anyone needs it we can offer a bed for the night. Our contact
number 01684 311001.
Regards
Bill & Sue
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| From: | "Max Cointe (Free)" <mcointe(at)free.fr> |
Hi There All,
I changed my tires on main gear in June 2011 and they are now completely
smooth and looks very thin after only 150 hours (maybe 150 TO and landing?)
on paved runway. What tire do you use (certified or not, Michelin, AirTrac,
...) and how long do you keep them?
Max Cointe
mcointe(at)free.fr
F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 450 hours
F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S
Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1550 heures
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| From: | Jeff B <topglock(at)cox.net> |
Max,
I've used them all, from Michelins to cheapest. They all seem to last
about 150 hours. I now have 6 ply Air Tracs on board and they per form
well...
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 9/9/2013 7:57 AM, Max Cointe (Free) wrote:
>
> Hi There All,
>
> I changed my tires on main gear in June 2011 and they are now completely
> smooth and looks very thin after only 150 hours (maybe 150 TO and landing?)
> on paved runway. What tire do you use (certified or not, Michelin, AirTrac,
> ...) and how long do you keep them?
>
> Max Cointe
> mcointe(at)free.fr
> F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
> Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 450 hours
>
> F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S
> Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1550 heures
>
>
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| From: | DAVID JOYCE <stranfaer(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Avcomm bulbs still in business |
Does anyone know if Avcomm are still trading, my Europa has a unit supplied
by them that monitors engine starter, fuel pressure etc and shows a red bu
lb on the dash. I believe the bulbs are 6 volt and want to source one urgen
tly.=0A-=0Argds=0ADJ=0AThe other one=0A=0ASent to you from David Joyce=0A
www.eastmidsspas.com
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| Subject: | Re: Avcomm bulbs still in business |
| From: | John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com> |
David
They have a website www.avcomm.co.uk, so it looks as if they are still tradi
ng.
John
On 9 Sep 2013, at 19:28, DAVID JOYCE wrote:
> Does anyone know if Avcomm are still trading, my Europa has a unit supplie
d by them that monitors engine starter, fuel pressure etc and shows a red bu
lb on the dash. I believe the bulbs are 6 volt and want to source one urgent
ly.
>
> rgds
> DJ
> The other one
>
> Sent to you from David Joyce
> www.eastmidsspas.com
>
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| From: | DAVID JOYCE <stranfaer(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Avcomm bulbs still in business |
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| Subject: | Re: Avcomm bulbs still in business |
| From: | John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com> |
I see your problem. If they are not responding to your emails then that is n
ot a good sign. You could try and get a phone number for them. Avcomm is a l
imited company so Companies House should be able to tell you where they are l
ocated.
On 9 Sep 2013, at 20:26, DAVID JOYCE wrote:
> Cant get any answer from them John?
>
> Sent to you from David Joyce
> www.eastmidsspas.com
>
> From: John Heykoop <john.heykoop(at)gmail.com>
> To: "europa-list(at)matronics.com"
> Sent: Monday, 9 September 2013, 20:03
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Avcomm bulbs still in business
>
> David
>
> They have a website http://www.avcomm.co.uk/, so it looks as if they are s
till trading.
>
> John
>
> On 9 Sep 2013, at 19:28, DAVID JOYCE wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if Avcomm are still trading, my Europa has a unit suppli
ed by them that monitors engine starter, fuel pressure etc and shows a red b
ulb on the dash. I believe the bulbs are 6 volt and want to source one urgen
tly.
>>
>> rgds
>> DJ
>> The other one
>>
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>> http://www.eastmidsspas.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> |
Hi all.
Many thanks for replies, Lots to choose from.
Personally I am not keen on jerry cans, maybe safer in transporting, but I like
plastic possibly cleaner inside. however I have seen many use jerry cans without
problems.
I always use a filter, I have a plastic one that fits quit tightly into the filler
hole, What I do notice in the filter after refilling is insects ie a small
flies.
I suppose one of these could block the jets, ???
So recommend using a filter,
They was a post saying filter as you refill you cann at the pumps, sounded a good
idea to me, till I remembered the flies.
Regards.
Alan
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| From: | "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> |
Hi All.
I remember a post and photo of a jig cam you placed under the main gear leg,
Like a Cam shaft drive, it lifted the wheel off the ground with easy.
Changing the wheel in the field.
Please post it again, as I have lost the photo.
Regards.
Alan
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| From: | William Bliss <william(at)wbliss.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Landing Gear Warning System |
Dear All
I am considering adding a landing gear warning system to my monowheel
Europa. I would be grateful for any ideas or tips on how to go about it.
Thanks in anticipation
Will Bliss G-WUFF
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
Alan, As a point of interest one of he (rarely) fatal
ditchings in the UK was said by the AAIB to be due to a
fly blocking he carburettor jet! Regards, David Joyce,
GXDJ
"Alan Carter" wrote:
>
>
> Hi all.
> Many thanks for replies, Lots to choose from.
> Personally I am not keen on jerry cans, maybe safer in
>transporting, but I like plastic possibly cleaner inside.
>however I have seen many use jerry cans without problems.
> I always use a filter, I have a plastic one that fits
>quit tightly into the filler hole, What I do notice in
>the filter after refilling is insects ie a small flies.
> I suppose one of these could block the jets, ???
> So recommend using a filter,
> They was a post saying filter as you refill you cann at
>the pumps, sounded a good idea to me, till I remembered
>the flies.
> Regards.
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408302#408302
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Un/Subscription,
>Forums!
>Admin.
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>
>
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning System |
William, If you invest in a smartASS it may well save your
life and it also incidentally comes with a system warning
you if gear is not down when you reduce to approach speed,
so it may save your prop and engine too!
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
William Bliss wrote:
>
>
> Dear All
> I am considering adding a landing gear warning system to
>my monowheel Europa. I would be grateful for any ideas or
>tips on how to go about it.
> Thanks in anticipation
> Will Bliss G-WUFF
>
>Un/Subscription,
>Forums!
>Admin.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> |
Well just goes to show, The carburettor jet life or death.
I don't know why she swallowed the fly, perhaps she'll die.
Regards,
Alan
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
Yes the AAIB couldn't work out why she swallowed a fly
either! It was an exotic brand of fly normally only found
in N Africa and this was a PA 28 (which sink in 3 mins),
in the wilds of E Scotland in winter, at night, with both
crew not wearing lifejackets, so it was a bit hard to
blame it all on the fly!
Regards, David
"Alan Carter" wrote:
>
>
> Well just goes to show, The carburettor jet life or
>death.
> I don't know why she swallowed the fly, perhaps she'll
>die.
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408309#408309
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>
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| From: | Justin Kennedy <Justin(at)systemwise.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Refilling a Europa by hand |
Hi,
I am a happy Polarn pump user. You neglect to say that you can empty a Jerr
y can into the plane with it more quickly than pouring it direct.
This is also through the filter funnel which you can steady with the left h
and along with the tube. The Jerry can stay on the deck so that as it gets
near empty you can put your foot on it to keep it stable while you pump the
last wee bit.
I have two Jerry cans in the back of the car and I take two ten litre plast
ic containers with me in the plane so I can go to a garage when I am landin
g away.
I was not enjoying lifting cans to my side filler and tis sorted it.
It was great to see so many Europas at Sywell.
Cheers
Justin
Justin Kennedy
SystemWise
107 Saughtonhall Drive
Edinburgh EH12 5TS
O: 0131 313 0707
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
| From: | "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> |
Hi.
This Polarn Pump.
Will it fit in and work with a 25litre plastic container.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning System |
| From: | rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us |
Hi Will
I am considering adding a landing gear warning system to my monowheel. I
would be grateful for any ideas or tips on how to go about it.
I am not flying yet, but here is what we are doing:
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=27480
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=29497
See last 6 schematics:
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=81632
Ron Parigoris
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning System |
Ron, I would very seriously recommend putting in a
SmartASS (see article in upcoming Europa Club Mag.) I know
that it has saved at least one Europa pilot's life. It is
an amazing bit of kit that is your best bet for avoiding
stall spin accidents, but also has a nice lady telling you
to put the U/C down! If you are at all interested I will
send you a preview of the article. Regards, David Joyce,
G-XSDJ
rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Will
>
>
> I am considering adding a landing gear warning system
>to my monowheel. I
> would be grateful for any ideas or tips on how to go
>about it.
>
>
> I am not flying yet, but here is what we are doing:
>
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=27480
>
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=29497
>
>
> See last 6 schematics:
>
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=81632
>
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
>
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| From: | "Carl Pattinson" <carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
I am guessing that the Polarn pump uses a cap that seals and clips to the
top of the jerry can.
Ron Swinden (sadly no longer with us) made a filling system for 20l steel
cans which works on the same principle.
You need a spare filler cap and an airbed inflating pump. Basically as long
as you can seal the can and pressurise it (doesn't require much pressure) a
hose that reaches to the bottom will empty the can once pressure is applied.
So two connections - one which takes fuel from the bottom of the can and one
which enables you to pressurise the sealed air above the fuel level.
I'm guessing that with a plastic fuel can it would be possible to make a
rubber or plastic bung which seals the top of the container.
You might want to consider this if there is nothing specifically designed
for your cans.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Carter
Sent: 10 September 2013 11:44
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand
-->
Hi.
This Polarn Pump.
Will it fit in and work with a 25litre plastic container.
Alan
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408329#408329
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning System |
| From: | rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us |
Hi David
Ron, I would very seriously recommend putting in a SmartASS:
We purchased a Smart ASS Mk 1 that will be installed:
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=79836
I forget if it has a UC warning input, if it does will probably use it as
well as our warning system.
Thx. for your INPUT!
Ron Parigoris
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning System |
Ron, If it is reasonably current it has a wire for a U/C
warning which you can attach to a microswitch in the
indent where the U/C lever goes when locked. You shouldn't
need another one as well. regards, David
rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi David
>
>
> Ron, I would very seriously recommend putting in a
>SmartASS:
>
>
> We purchased a Smart ASS Mk 1 that will be installed:
>
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=79836
>
>
> I forget if it has a UC warning input, if it does will
>probably use it as
> well as our warning system.
>
>
> Thx. for your INPUT!
>
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Off-cut |
Thanks to everyone that responded to my request - both on and off-list.
I have been offered enough phenolic off-cuts to build a new workshop!
It is truly alarming how much material does get thrown away during the
build process - I still have a (warm) loft full of blue foam.
Nigel
On 07/09/2013 11:46, nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote:
> <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
>
> A bit of a strange request but ...... does anyone (in the UK) still
> have the section of the phenolic firewall that would have been cut out
> and discarded when installing the main engine/undercarriage frame? As
> some of you will be aware, I am developing a conventional gear and as
> this does not make use of this frame, I am looking to close off the
> hole with suitably fire retardant material.
>
> If you still have this lurking in the scrap pile in your workshop, I
> would be happy to offer it a new home.
>
> Nigel
>
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| From: | " Peter Jeffers" <pjeffers(at)talktalk.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
No, you will just have to get Jerry cans.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Carter
Sent: 10 September 2013 11:44
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand
Hi.
This Polarn Pump.
Will it fit in and work with a 25litre plastic container.
Alan
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| From: | "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> |
Hello ALL.
I spent to much money at the LAA Sywell show. At 67 I must be crazy considering
the price of second-hand aircraft at the moment.
I purchased a MGL Flow meter, 2 Flowscan Senders, and line fittings,
An incredible 650, the final job will cost nearer a 1000, as I will need a few
more bits and a new externally mounted compass, as I need the panel compass hole
for the new meter, and they tell me I will need new 8.33 radio in 4 years
time, Crazy Country.
However, a couple Questions,
914 rubber fuel hose, what type and Where do I get this from,?
The instruction for the Flow scan senders, at low fuel flows ie the 914 it recommends
installing a jet in the fuel line before the flow meter, no picture of
this jet, no item number or price, just give a different K value to use,
Anybody know what this is all about.???!!!!!
Regards.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Tube Clamp SM11906 |
| From: | Brian Phillips <bphillips(at)ausgrid.com.au> |
Hi Pat,
I received back torque tube fitted with your clamps, knurled bronze & new
nylon bushes, it was very professional.
I am very pleased with results, the machining was A1, anyone thinking of
this mod, I believe it is well worth the cost.
Many thanks for your help, Pat!
Regards,
Brian Phillips
| *: bphillips(at)ausgrid.com.au |
----- Forwarded by Brian Phillips/Ausgrid on 11/09/2013 06:47 AM -----
From: "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net>
Date: 19/08/2013 06:43 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Torque Tube Clamp SM11906
Sent by: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Pat.
My clamps are working well and removed all play in the tube, absolute no
movement.
I am pleased with them, many thanks.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning System |
| From: | roddyeuropa(at)aol.com |
Instead of a microswitch, I use a magnetic reed switch mounted on the centr
e console, with a small magnet embedded in the undercarriage latch. It has
the advantage of not restricting the latching in any way.
Roddy Kesterton
G-IKRK
-----Original Message-----
From: David Joyce <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Tue, 10 Sep 2013 17:01
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Landing Gear Warning System
>
Ron, If it is reasonably current it has a wire for a U/C
warning which you can attach to a microswitch in the
indent where the U/C lever goes when locked. You shouldn't
need another one as well. regards, David
rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi David
>
>
> Ron, I would very seriously recommend putting in a
>SmartASS:
>
>
> We purchased a Smart ASS Mk 1 that will be installed:
>
>
> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=79836
>
>
> I forget if it has a UC warning input, if it does will
>probably use it as
> well as our warning system.
>
>
> Thx. for your INPUT!
>
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Meter |
| From: | "rampil" <ira.rampil(at)gmail.com> |
Alan,
Floscan makes 3 models of the 201 sender for varying expected mean
flow rates of gasoline. The appropriate unit for the 914 is the 201A
model which handles 0.3 - 30 gal per hour.
If a jet is added, at least in my imagination of what a "jet" or orifice might
be, it will add turbulence and reduce accuracy of the flow turbine. I could
not find a reference to such an addition in the FloScan site. Further, in a
914 application, the meaningful flow regime is roughly 3 - 7 gal/hour, well
within the linear range of system. Does it really matter if the measured
flow rate at idle power (less than 2 gal/hr) is slightly off?
The only place where the flow rates are less than that is in the return line
to the tank. In my 912s application, the return flow is unmeasured, but
very small, since my measured forward flow rate are right at what Rotax
predicts in the manual. It is much less than the LAA posited rate of 0.8
gal/hr through the 0.35mm orifice.This was after I independently
calibrated my Floscan at three different flow rates. Perhaps the LAA
used a higher than Rotax max pressure head of 5 psi through the orifice?
The slight apparent increase in fuel flow rate (by not measuring the return
flow and subtracting it in the totalizer) seems to me a a safety feature.
BTW, any additional "jet" in the return line, if that is what you were
contemplating is a direct violation of the engine install instructions for the
914 which requires a low resistance path bach to the tank after the
pressure regulator.
The return flow rate situation with the 914 may be a bit different than
with the 912s, though the pressures and the return orifice are the same.
I recognize that if the LAA tells you that you must have return flow measured,
if measuring flow at all, you must comply.
It is just my opinion that trying to measure flow rates under 0.5 gal/hr will
be inherently inaccurate with the Floscan 201A in an aircraft environment
and isnot worth the trouble and expense. On the other hand, many
builders have this feature installed.
Best of luck!
--------
Ira N224XS
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Meter |
Alan, I go along with that. My 914/twin Floscan set up has
worked nicely without any sort of jet. The only relevant
stipulation I can remember is that there should be a
reasonable length of fairly straight hose leading into
each Floscan as sharp corners will produce turbulence and
false readings. One of the key points with the Floscan I
believe is that even if its spinner jams it will not
significantly impede flow. It seems a bad idea to put
anything in the flow if you don't have to.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
"rampil" wrote:
>
>
> Alan,
>
>Floscan makes 3 models of the 201 sender for varying
>expected mean
> flow rates of gasoline. The appropriate unit for the
>914 is the 201A
> model which handles 0.3 - 30 gal per hour.
>
> If a jet is added, at least in my imagination of what a
>"jet" or orifice might
> be, it will add turbulence and reduce accuracy of the
>flow turbine. I could
> not find a reference to such an addition in the FloScan
>site. Further, in a
> 914 application, the meaningful flow regime is roughly 3
>- 7 gal/hour, well
> within the linear range of system. Does it really matter
>if the measured
> flow rate at idle power (less than 2 gal/hr) is slightly
>off?
>
> The only place where the flow rates are less than that
>is in the return line
> to the tank. In my 912s application, the return flow is
>unmeasured, but
> very small, since my measured forward flow rate are
>right at what Rotax
> predicts in the manual. It is much less than the LAA
>posited rate of 0.8
> gal/hr through the 0.35mm orifice.This was after I
>independently
> calibrated my Floscan at three different flow rates.
>Perhaps the LAA
> used a higher than Rotax max pressure head of 5 psi
>through the orifice?
> The slight apparent increase in fuel flow rate (by not
>measuring the return
> flow and subtracting it in the totalizer) seems to me a
>a safety feature.
>
> BTW, any additional "jet" in the return line, if that is
>what you were
> contemplating is a direct violation of the engine
>install instructions for the
> 914 which requires a low resistance path bach to the
>tank after the
> pressure regulator.
>
> The return flow rate situation with the 914 may be a bit
>different than
> with the 912s, though the pressures and the return
>orifice are the same.
>
> I recognize that if the LAA tells you that you must have
>return flow measured, if measuring flow at all, you must
>comply.
>
> It is just my opinion that trying to measure flow rates
>under 0.5 gal/hr will
> be inherently inaccurate with the Floscan 201A in an
>aircraft environment
> and isnot worth the trouble and expense. On the other
>hand, many
> builders have this feature installed.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408424#408424
>
>
>
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| From: | Dean Seitz <daseitz(at)cfl.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Meter |
The 914 does not have a low flow rate. It pumps around 20 gal per hour from the
tank and returns all of that minus what the engine used back to the tank. Feed
is around 20 gal/hr and return is about 15 gal/hr at cruise. At idle it's almost
20 gal/hr return.
---- David Joyce wrote:
>
> Alan, I go along with that. My 914/twin Floscan set up has
> worked nicely without any sort of jet. The only relevant
> stipulation I can remember is that there should be a
> reasonable length of fairly straight hose leading into
> each Floscan as sharp corners will produce turbulence and
> false readings. One of the key points with the Floscan I
> believe is that even if its spinner jams it will not
> significantly impede flow. It seems a bad idea to put
> anything in the flow if you don't have to.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
> "rampil" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Alan,
> >
> >Floscan makes 3 models of the 201 sender for varying
> >expected mean
> > flow rates of gasoline. The appropriate unit for the
> >914 is the 201A
> > model which handles 0.3 - 30 gal per hour.
> >
> > If a jet is added, at least in my imagination of what a
> >"jet" or orifice might
> > be, it will add turbulence and reduce accuracy of the
> >flow turbine. I could
> > not find a reference to such an addition in the FloScan
> >site. Further, in a
> > 914 application, the meaningful flow regime is roughly 3
> >- 7 gal/hour, well
> > within the linear range of system. Does it really matter
> >if the measured
> > flow rate at idle power (less than 2 gal/hr) is slightly
> >off?
> >
> > The only place where the flow rates are less than that
> >is in the return line
> > to the tank. In my 912s application, the return flow is
> >unmeasured, but
> > very small, since my measured forward flow rate are
> >right at what Rotax
> > predicts in the manual. It is much less than the LAA
> >posited rate of 0.8
> > gal/hr through the 0.35mm orifice.This was after I
> >independently
> > calibrated my Floscan at three different flow rates.
> >Perhaps the LAA
> > used a higher than Rotax max pressure head of 5 psi
> >through the orifice?
> > The slight apparent increase in fuel flow rate (by not
> >measuring the return
> > flow and subtracting it in the totalizer) seems to me a
> >a safety feature.
> >
> > BTW, any additional "jet" in the return line, if that is
> >what you were
> > contemplating is a direct violation of the engine
> >install instructions for the
> > 914 which requires a low resistance path bach to the
> >tank after the
> > pressure regulator.
> >
> > The return flow rate situation with the 914 may be a bit
> >different than
> > with the 912s, though the pressures and the return
> >orifice are the same.
> >
> > I recognize that if the LAA tells you that you must have
> >return flow measured, if measuring flow at all, you must
> >comply.
> >
> > It is just my opinion that trying to measure flow rates
> >under 0.5 gal/hr will
> > be inherently inaccurate with the Floscan 201A in an
> >aircraft environment
> > and isnot worth the trouble and expense. On the other
> >hand, many
> > builders have this feature installed.
> >
> > Best of luck!
> >
> > --------
> > Ira N224XS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408424#408424
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Factory upholstery kit |
| From: | "Kelvin Weston" <kelv(at)kdweston.biz> |
Hi all
If anyone has the Europa supplied seat and upholstery kit, I would like some information
regarding the seats.
How well does the seat back cushion fit around the wing spar pins? and do the cushions
provide support in the lower back area?
I saw some examples of the seats at the LAA Rally a few weekends ago. The seat
base looks ok but the seat back looks like a very simple flat, slab-like arrangement.
On returning home and looking at the cockpit module, it would appear that the back
cushion will conflict with and cover the wing spar pins.
Has anybody experienced problems in this area?
In addition, I was also very aware of the change in angle of the cockpit module
front face. There is a tendency to think of this as a flat face but there is
actually quite a large change of angle. From sitting in the seat - something
I do quite a lot, with associated noises, etc, I have come to the conclusion
that any seat back cushion should follow the headrest angle down to the seat base.
Is that correct?
This would leave a triangular shaped void between the bottom of the seat back cushion
and the cockpit module. This would almost certainly need some additional
foam / support if bad backs were to be avoided. Anyone had any problems like
this?
--------
Regards
Kelv Weston
Kit 497
kelv(at)kdweston.biz
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408442#408442
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jan de Jong <jan_de_jong(at)casema.nl> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Meter |
I saved a message by Jim Butcher on a blue-mountain-avionics forum where
he reported measuring a flow of 41 gph into a bucket. The Rotax 914
installation manual gives 30 gph as the rated flow for 1 pump at 300 hPa
(airbox at sea level pressure) to 25 gph at 1000 hPa (airbox at 16000'
with full boost). The second pump would increase this by a small amount.
Floscan 201A-6 seems marginal, 201B-6 seems better.
I bought from Floscan 2 of type 231 ("marine use only"), similar to
201B-6 but heavier (steel). And less expensive. And no fretting with
aluminium adapters...
Alan, if you have a 914 I believe you might get the 914 installation
manual - it has a flow graph for the pump (Pierburg E1F no. 7.21440.78.0).
And you might check out the Floscan website. There are 2 aviation pages.
Regards, Jan de Jong.
On 9/11/2013 7:45 PM, Dean Seitz wrote:
>
> The 914 does not have a low flow rate. It pumps around 20 gal per hour from the
tank and returns all of that minus what the engine used back to the tank. Feed
is around 20 gal/hr and return is about 15 gal/hr at cruise. At idle it's
almost 20 gal/hr return.
>
>
> ---- David Joyce wrote:
>>
>> Alan, I go along with that. My 914/twin Floscan set up has
>> worked nicely without any sort of jet. The only relevant
>> stipulation I can remember is that there should be a
>> reasonable length of fairly straight hose leading into
>> each Floscan as sharp corners will produce turbulence and
>> false readings. One of the key points with the Floscan I
>> believe is that even if its spinner jams it will not
>> significantly impede flow. It seems a bad idea to put
>> anything in the flow if you don't have to.
>> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>>
>>
>> "rampil" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan,
>>>
>>> Floscan makes 3 models of the 201 sender for varying
>>> expected mean
>>> flow rates of gasoline. The appropriate unit for the
>>> 914 is the 201A
>>> model which handles 0.3 - 30 gal per hour.
>>>
>>> If a jet is added, at least in my imagination of what a
>>> "jet" or orifice might
>>> be, it will add turbulence and reduce accuracy of the
>>> flow turbine. I could
>>> not find a reference to such an addition in the FloScan
>>> site. Further, in a
>>> 914 application, the meaningful flow regime is roughly 3
>>> - 7 gal/hour, well
>>> within the linear range of system. Does it really matter
>>> if the measured
>>> flow rate at idle power (less than 2 gal/hr) is slightly
>>> off?
>>>
>>> The only place where the flow rates are less than that
>>> is in the return line
>>> to the tank. In my 912s application, the return flow is
>>> unmeasured, but
>>> very small, since my measured forward flow rate are
>>> right at what Rotax
>>> predicts in the manual. It is much less than the LAA
>>> posited rate of 0.8
>>> gal/hr through the 0.35mm orifice.This was after I
>>> independently
>>> calibrated my Floscan at three different flow rates.
>>> Perhaps the LAA
>>> used a higher than Rotax max pressure head of 5 psi
>>> through the orifice?
>>> The slight apparent increase in fuel flow rate (by not
>>> measuring the return
>>> flow and subtracting it in the totalizer) seems to me a
>>> a safety feature.
>>>
>>> BTW, any additional "jet" in the return line, if that is
>>> what you were
>>> contemplating is a direct violation of the engine
>>> install instructions for the
>>> 914 which requires a low resistance path bach to the
>>> tank after the
>>> pressure regulator.
>>>
>>> The return flow rate situation with the 914 may be a bit
>>> different than
>>> with the 912s, though the pressures and the return
>>> orifice are the same.
>>>
>>> I recognize that if the LAA tells you that you must have
>>> return flow measured, if measuring flow at all, you must
>>> comply.
>>>
>>> It is just my opinion that trying to measure flow rates
>>> under 0.5 gal/hr will
>>> be inherently inaccurate with the Floscan 201A in an
>>> aircraft environment
>>> and isnot worth the trouble and expense. On the other
>>> hand, many
>>> builders have this feature installed.
>>>
>>> Best of luck!
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Ira N224XS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408424#408424
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Meter |
Jan, I wonder whether he was measuring what came out of
the pump, rather than what came back through the return
hose with the engine not going,
once the fuel had gone through the pressure release
valve., which will be quite a bit less I guess.
Regards, David Joyce, G- XSDJ
Jan de Jong wrote:
>
>
> I saved a message by Jim Butcher on a
>blue-mountain-avionics forum where he reported measuring
>a flow of 41 gph into a bucket. The Rotax 914
>installation manual gives 30 gph as the rated flow for 1
>pump at 300 hPa (airbox at sea level pressure) to 25 gph
>at 1000 hPa (airbox at 16000' with full boost). The
>second pump would increase this by a small amount.
>Floscan 201A-6 seems marginal, 201B-6 seems better.
> I bought from Floscan 2 of type 231 ("marine use only"),
>similar to 201B-6 but heavier (steel). And less
>expensive. And no fretting with aluminium adapters...
> Alan, if you have a 914 I believe you might get the 914
>installation manual - it has a flow graph for the pump
>(Pierburg E1F no. 7.21440.78.0).
> And you might check out the Floscan website. There are 2
>aviation pages.
> Regards, Jan de Jong.
>
> On 9/11/2013 7:45 PM, Dean Seitz wrote:
>>
>>
>> The 914 does not have a low flow rate. It pumps around
>>20 gal per hour from the tank and returns all of that
>>minus what the engine used back to the tank. Feed is
>>around 20 gal/hr and return is about 15 gal/hr at cruise.
>>At idle it's almost 20 gal/hr return.
>>
>>
>> ---- David Joyce wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan, I go along with that. My 914/twin Floscan set up
>>>has
>>> worked nicely without any sort of jet. The only relevant
>>> stipulation I can remember is that there should be a
>>> reasonable length of fairly straight hose leading into
>>> each Floscan as sharp corners will produce turbulence
>>>and
>>> false readings. One of the key points with the Floscan I
>>> believe is that even if its spinner jams it will not
>>> significantly impede flow. It seems a bad idea to put
>>> anything in the flow if you don't have to.
>>> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>>>
>>>
>>> "rampil" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alan,
>>>>
>>>> Floscan makes 3 models of the 201 sender for varying
>>>> expected mean
>>>> flow rates of gasoline. The appropriate unit for the
>>>> 914 is the 201A
>>>> model which handles 0.3 - 30 gal per hour.
>>>>
>>>> If a jet is added, at least in my imagination of what a
>>>> "jet" or orifice might
>>>> be, it will add turbulence and reduce accuracy of the
>>>> flow turbine. I could
>>>> not find a reference to such an addition in the FloScan
>>>> site. Further, in a
>>>> 914 application, the meaningful flow regime is roughly 3
>>>> - 7 gal/hour, well
>>>> within the linear range of system. Does it really matter
>>>> if the measured
>>>> flow rate at idle power (less than 2 gal/hr) is slightly
>>>> off?
>>>>
>>>> The only place where the flow rates are less than that
>>>> is in the return line
>>>> to the tank. In my 912s application, the return flow is
>>>> unmeasured, but
>>>> very small, since my measured forward flow rate are
>>>> right at what Rotax
>>>> predicts in the manual. It is much less than the LAA
>>>> posited rate of 0.8
>>>> gal/hr through the 0.35mm orifice.This was after I
>>>> independently
>>>> calibrated my Floscan at three different flow rates.
>>>> Perhaps the LAA
>>>> used a higher than Rotax max pressure head of 5 psi
>>>> through the orifice?
>>>> The slight apparent increase in fuel flow rate (by not
>>>> measuring the return
>>>> flow and subtracting it in the totalizer) seems to me a
>>>> a safety feature.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, any additional "jet" in the return line, if that is
>>>> what you were
>>>> contemplating is a direct violation of the engine
>>>> install instructions for the
>>>> 914 which requires a low resistance path bach to the
>>>> tank after the
>>>> pressure regulator.
>>>>
>>>> The return flow rate situation with the 914 may be a bit
>>>> different than
>>>> with the 912s, though the pressures and the return
>>>> orifice are the same.
>>>>
>>>> I recognize that if the LAA tells you that you must have
>>>> return flow measured, if measuring flow at all, you must
>>>> comply.
>>>>
>>>> It is just my opinion that trying to measure flow rates
>>>> under 0.5 gal/hr will
>>>> be inherently inaccurate with the Floscan 201A in an
>>>> aircraft environment
>>>> and isnot worth the trouble and expense. On the other
>>>> hand, many
>>>> builders have this feature installed.
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck!
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Ira N224XS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408424#408424
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Meter |
| From: | "rampil" <ira.rampil(at)gmail.com> |
I defer to those with 914 experience!
--------
Ira N224XS
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| From: | Richard Holder <richard.holder(at)outlook.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Club clothing |
On 14/08/2013 09:27, Steven Pitt wrote:
> At the LAA Rally at Sywell, we hope to have some clothing
> for sale with the Club emblem (please see website under
> sales for the items expected to be on sale). If you would
> like to order personalised items, to include the Club logo
> and your aircraft registration, then I can arrange this
> and save you postage.
> Time is short so if anyone is interested contact me off
> list to arrange the order and you can save on postage. I
> need to order by this weekend to have them at Sywell.
> Pilot shirts are 15
> Fleeces are 16
> Polo shirts are 10
> Caps are 9
> See you at the show.
> Steve Pitt
> Chairman, Europa Club
> steven.pitt2(at)ntlworld.com
Hi Steve
Hope everything went well at Sywell - everything bar my
four polos !
Any plans to be passing this way in the near future ?
Richard
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jan de Jong <jan_de_jong(at)casema.nl> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Meter |
David, "I measured actual fuel flow (ran pump into a bucket) and
determined it is 41 gph."
The maximum operating flow through the forward flow sensor would be
slightly smaller than 41 gph - the difference between 300 hPa and 0 hPa
in the pump diagram is between 1 and 2 gph.
I agree that the return flow is 0 (engine off) to 10 gph (115%) smaller
than the forward flow.
Regards, Jan de Jong
On 9/11/2013 9:32 PM, David Joyce wrote:
>
>
> Jan, I wonder whether he was measuring what came out of the pump,
> rather than what came back through the return hose with the engine not
> going,
> once the fuel had gone through the pressure release valve., which will
> be quite a bit less I guess.
> Regards, David Joyce, G- XSDJ
>
>
> Jan de Jong wrote:
>>
>> I saved a message by Jim Butcher on a blue-mountain-avionics forum
>> where he reported measuring a flow of 41 gph into a bucket. The Rotax
>> 914 installation manual gives 30 gph as the rated flow for 1 pump at
>> 300 hPa (airbox at sea level pressure) to 25 gph at 1000 hPa (airbox
>> at 16000' with full boost). The second pump would increase this by a
>> small amount.
>> Floscan 201A-6 seems marginal, 201B-6 seems better.
>> I bought from Floscan 2 of type 231 ("marine use only"), similar to
>> 201B-6 but heavier (steel). And less expensive. And no fretting with
>> aluminium adapters...
>> Alan, if you have a 914 I believe you might get the 914 installation
>> manual - it has a flow graph for the pump (Pierburg E1F no.
>> 7.21440.78.0).
>> And you might check out the Floscan website. There are 2 aviation pages.
>> Regards, Jan de Jong.
>>
>> On 9/11/2013 7:45 PM, Dean Seitz wrote:
>>>
>>> The 914 does not have a low flow rate. It pumps around 20 gal per
>>> hour from the tank and returns all of that minus what the engine
>>> used back to the tank. Feed is around 20 gal/hr and return is about
>>> 15 gal/hr at cruise. At idle it's almost 20 gal/hr return.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- David Joyce wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alan, I go along with that. My 914/twin Floscan set up has
>>>> worked nicely without any sort of jet. The only relevant
>>>> stipulation I can remember is that there should be a
>>>> reasonable length of fairly straight hose leading into
>>>> each Floscan as sharp corners will produce turbulence and
>>>> false readings. One of the key points with the Floscan I
>>>> believe is that even if its spinner jams it will not
>>>> significantly impede flow. It seems a bad idea to put
>>>> anything in the flow if you don't have to.
>>>> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "rampil" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Floscan makes 3 models of the 201 sender for varying
>>>>> expected mean
>>>>> flow rates of gasoline. The appropriate unit for the
>>>>> 914 is the 201A
>>>>> model which handles 0.3 - 30 gal per hour.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a jet is added, at least in my imagination of what a
>>>>> "jet" or orifice might
>>>>> be, it will add turbulence and reduce accuracy of the
>>>>> flow turbine. I could
>>>>> not find a reference to such an addition in the FloScan
>>>>> site. Further, in a
>>>>> 914 application, the meaningful flow regime is roughly 3
>>>>> - 7 gal/hour, well
>>>>> within the linear range of system. Does it really matter
>>>>> if the measured
>>>>> flow rate at idle power (less than 2 gal/hr) is slightly
>>>>> off?
>>>>>
>>>>> The only place where the flow rates are less than that
>>>>> is in the return line
>>>>> to the tank. In my 912s application, the return flow is
>>>>> unmeasured, but
>>>>> very small, since my measured forward flow rate are
>>>>> right at what Rotax
>>>>> predicts in the manual. It is much less than the LAA
>>>>> posited rate of 0.8
>>>>> gal/hr through the 0.35mm orifice.This was after I
>>>>> independently
>>>>> calibrated my Floscan at three different flow rates.
>>>>> Perhaps the LAA
>>>>> used a higher than Rotax max pressure head of 5 psi
>>>>> through the orifice?
>>>>> The slight apparent increase in fuel flow rate (by not
>>>>> measuring the return
>>>>> flow and subtracting it in the totalizer) seems to me a
>>>>> a safety feature.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, any additional "jet" in the return line, if that is
>>>>> what you were
>>>>> contemplating is a direct violation of the engine
>>>>> install instructions for the
>>>>> 914 which requires a low resistance path bach to the
>>>>> tank after the
>>>>> pressure regulator.
>>>>>
>>>>> The return flow rate situation with the 914 may be a bit
>>>>> different than
>>>>> with the 912s, though the pressures and the return
>>>>> orifice are the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recognize that if the LAA tells you that you must have
>>>>> return flow measured, if measuring flow at all, you must
>>>>> comply.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is just my opinion that trying to measure flow rates
>>>>> under 0.5 gal/hr will
>>>>> be inherently inaccurate with the Floscan 201A in an
>>>>> aircraft environment
>>>>> and isnot worth the trouble and expense. On the other
>>>>> hand, many
>>>>> builders have this feature installed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best of luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> Ira N224XS
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
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| From: | Keith Hickling <keithhickling(at)clear.net.nz> |
| Subject: | Re: Factory upholstery kit |
Hi Kevin,
I used the factory upholstery kit. I made a triangular wedge shaped piece of
stiff foam rubber to fill in the lower part of the seatback so that in
continues the slope of the upper seatback. This is fixed to the seatback
with velcro. I made a cutout for the wingpins, and these are then
effectively in a recess in this foam and behind the seatback cushion, so
they do not protrude into the cushion. The result is quite comfortable.
I can't find a photo of the actual foam wedge at the moment, but attach a
photo showing the velcro on the seatback where it attaches.
Regards,
Keith.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kelvin Weston" <kelv(at)kdweston.biz>
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 6:50 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Factory upholstery kit
>
> Hi all
>
> If anyone has the Europa supplied seat and upholstery kit, I would like
> some information regarding the seats.
>
> How well does the seat back cushion fit around the wing spar pins? and do
> the cushions provide support in the lower back area?
>
> I saw some examples of the seats at the LAA Rally a few weekends ago. The
> seat base looks ok but the seat back looks like a very simple flat,
> slab-like arrangement.
> On returning home and looking at the cockpit module, it would appear that
> the back cushion will conflict with and cover the wing spar pins.
> Has anybody experienced problems in this area?
>
> In addition, I was also very aware of the change in angle of the cockpit
> module front face. There is a tendency to think of this as a flat face
> but there is actually quite a large change of angle. From sitting in the
> seat - something I do quite a lot, with associated noises, etc, I have
> come to the conclusion that any seat back cushion should follow the
> headrest angle down to the seat base. Is that correct?
>
> This would leave a triangular shaped void between the bottom of the seat
> back cushion and the cockpit module. This would almost certainly need
> some additional foam / support if bad backs were to be avoided. Anyone
> had any problems like this?
>
> --------
> Regards
>
> Kelv Weston
> Kit 497
> kelv(at)kdweston.biz
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408442#408442
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Factory upholstery kit |
| From: | rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us |
Hi Kelv
If anyone has the Europa supplied seat and upholstery kit, I would like
some information regarding the seats.
We purchased Factory seat cushions. This was I think in 2007. The fit was
not great. I don't know if Europa changed dimensions since then.
Here is a link to how my cushions fit when I first got them, you can see
the spacer I made out of blue foam and Balsa, you can see how I mutilated
the supplied cushion foam. I sent back to Europa and they modified the
covers and location of velcro and now all is well, except that my bird is
not yet flying.
Note that I have long wings too, so the balsa and blue foam will allow
for airbrake cable routing as well:
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=86921
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning SystemLanding Gear Warning System |
| From: | stephan cassel <stephan.cassel(at)gmail.com> |
Hi all,
I built a Gear Up Warning System for some years ago.
Input 1,2:
One micro switch mounted on each outrigger locking system.
Input 3:
One pressure switch mounted on the dynamic pressure hose, same type that is
used for the stall warning system. Bought from Europa Aircraft.
Pressure switch will turn off below 65 knots.
All inputs are connected to a relay via diodes.
When all are off (Gear UP and speed below 65 knots): ALARM
Micro switch on the outrigger locking system also tell you that the
outrigger is locked.
Best regards
Stephan
LN-STE. Norway
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| From: | Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | farm strips guide offered |
I have a 5th edition (one before current) of the Farm Strip Guide. It's available
free to anyone who can offer it a good home, or suggestions welcome for how
to dispose of it.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Meter |
| From: | "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> |
Hello All.
Sorry but I may have got into a bit of a muddle over this.
1. At LAA Show Rotax Stand, said the flow rate being pumped around the system on
a 914 was about 100 Ltr/Hr.and my sender could cope with measuring up to 136
an hour.
Does not fit in with what the Forum are saying, but maybe the bods on the Rotax
Stand have it wrong.
2. On Advice from the Rotax Stand, and the MGL Stand, I purchased the
Flowscan "A" model 0 to 30 gallons and hour, ("B" modal was 0 to 60 Gph) for larger
engines.
3. The MGL instructions referring to installing these in line Jets before the
sender, which it clearly states, but give no information on,
I believe may be only relating too, and with installing a MGL Flow Sender,!!
However I think the whole lot is very poor with the instruction, and what Sender
to use.
Rotax Stand, Rotax don,t approve of any Flow sender being install in the fuel line,
Regards .
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Meter |
| From: | rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us |
Hi Group
Curiosity question, has anyone had a Flowscan fuel flow sender fail
because of stale auto fuel? Somehow I think I remember pulses are created
optically, not magnetically and was always wondering if stale fuel would
cloud the optics. If the optics do cloud, is there any procedure to
clean?
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Meter |
| From: | "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> |
Hi All.
MGL. Instructions. It is highly recommended a small jet is installed on engines
with low fuel flows.
The sender is delivered with a small jet that can be installed in the flow senders
inlet, Installation of this jet is recommended with engine with fuel flows
less than 30 gal/Hr, this would apply to most small 2 stroke and 4 stroke engines.
The FF-1 is shipped with the fuel flow sender calibration set for the jet installation,
in a good installation you can expect an accuracy of +- 3% you can calibrate
the sender yourself to a higher degree of accuracy if you desire.
So it the FF-1 , mentioned here, so what about other makes of senders,
does this only apply to the FF-1 ?????
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Flow Meter |
| From: | "Europaul383" <europaul383(at)hotmail.com> |
Maybe try the MGL Knowledge Base http://www.mglavionics.com/kb/ or ask the MGL people if they have install instructions specifically for the Floscan sensor?
HTH
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning SystemLanding Gear Warning System |
| From: | "Remi Guerner" <air.guerner(at)orange.fr> |
Stephan,
I am interested in this subject as I am planning to install a Smart ass and the
associated landing gear warning.
In my opinion there is one weakness in your system: if your gear/flap lever is
in the down position but not completely pushed to the right the lock is not engaged
and your system will not detect it. This "gear down and unlocked" situation
happened to me twice recently. Fortunately in both occasions I detected it
during the second check and pushed the lever into the locked position before
landing.
Has anyone fitted a switch which detect the position of the lock?
Remi
F-PGKL
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| Subject: | Re: Factory upholstery kit |
| From: | "Kelvin Weston" <kelv(at)kdweston.biz> |
Thanks Keith / Ron
You have confirmed my thoughts about the seat back cushion.
I spoke with Ingrid at Auto-Trim, the company that makes the factory kit and she
sent me this reply regarding the conflict with the wing spar pins:
Having seen the aircraft, the position of the pins and the comments from potential
customers I have made the decision to modify the pattern and cut away the
foam in that area and re shape the cover accordingly.
Good to hear, a bit late for those that have already purchased a kit or seats and
still doesn't address the potential problem of the gap between the bottom of
the seat back and the cockpit module.
At the moment, I am investigating some local upholstery businesses to see what
they can offer and at what price. Living near to the sailing areas of Portsmouth
and The Solent, there are lots of marine upholsterers that have shown an interest.
I have also approached some car and vehicle trimmers.
To assess what I wanted from the seat cushions, I purchased some foam from a company
that will cut any shape and size for you either regular shapes, or to your
supplied template. I had some rectangles cut to the required thickness for
the main part of the seat base and seat back and also some trapezium and triangle
shaped bits for under the knees and as an infill for the gap at the lower
back.
I glued the various bits together to form the two cushions and cut the back to
the headrest shape. They look good even without covers, are really comfortable
to sit on and should give me a good template to take to the upholsterer. I
will probably substitute some Dynafoam or Confor foam for the seat base in the
final configuration.
I ordered enough foam for two seats to allow a bit of experimenting and this only
cost 20 uk pounds. Well worth the expense and time getting it right if I'm
going to spend several hundreds on the final upholstered article.
--------
Regards
Kelv Weston
Kit 497
kelv(at)kdweston.biz
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning SystemLanding Gear Warning System |
| From: | roddyeuropa(at)aol.com |
're- Has anyone fitted a switch which detect the position of the lock?'
Yes, I have a small magnet on the gear down latch which activates a magneti
c reed switch on the console only when the latch is in the right position.
This lights up a green light 'gear down'. I didn't want to use a microswitc
h as I thought there was a chance that it could interfere with the latching
, which relies of the latch dropping into position under its own (light) we
ight.
Roddy Kesterton
G-IKRK
-----Original Message-----
From: Remi Guerner <air.guerner(at)orange.fr>
Sent: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 9:17
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Landing Gear Warning SystemLanding Gear Warning S
ystem
Stephan,
I am interested in this subject as I am planning to install a Smart ass and
the
associated landing gear warning.
In my opinion there is one weakness in your system: if your gear/flap lever
is
in the down position but not completely pushed to the right the lock is not
engaged and your system will not detect it. This "gear down and unlocked"
situation happened to me twice recently. Fortunately in both occasions I
detected it during the second check and pushed the lever into the locked
position before landing.
Has anyone fitted a switch which detect the position of the lock?
Remi
F-PGKL
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408543#408543
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning SystemLanding Gear Warning System |
| From: | "Remi Guerner" <air.guerner(at)orange.fr> |
Roddy,
Do you have pictures showing details of your installation?
Remi
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning SystemLanding Gear Warning |
System
Remi, My gear down system, iinked into my SmartASS is
triggered by a small micro switch bonded on the bottom of
the gear slot so that it only activates when the lever is
completely in the detent - foolproof! Regards, David
Joyce, G-XSDJ
"Remi Guerner" wrote:
>
>
> Stephan,
> I am interested in this subject as I am planning to
>install a Smart ass and the associated landing gear
>warning.
> In my opinion there is one weakness in your system: if
>your gear/flap lever is in the down position but not
>completely pushed to the right the lock is not engaged
>and your system will not detect it. This "gear down and
>unlocked" situation happened to me twice recently.
>Fortunately in both occasions I detected it during the
>second check and pushed the lever into the locked
>position before landing.
> Has anyone fitted a switch which detect the position of
>the lock?
> Remi
>F-PGKL
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408543#408543
>
>
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: farm strips guide offered |
| From: | Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson(at)gmail.com> |
On 12 Sep 2013, at 14:01, Rowland Carson wrote:
> I have a 5th edition (one before current) of the Farm Strip Guide. It's available
free to anyone who can offer it a good home
It's gone!
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning SystemLanding Gear Warning |
System
| From: | rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us |
Hi Remi
Has anyone fitted a switch which detect the position of the lock?
I installed a reed switch that detects a magnet in the latch. I detail
components in europa owners link on prior e-mail.
Ron Parigoris
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| From: | "Scudrunner" <howardbrooksster(at)gmail.com> |
Anyone (in the UK) using the NSI VP prop? I might be able to help you out with
spare parts (um not blades though)
Howard [Embarassed]
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| Subject: | Re: Landing Gear Warning SystemLanding Gear Warning System |
| From: | "Remi Guerner" <air.guerner(at)orange.fr> |
Thank you Ron, Roddy and David for your responses.
The read switch with the the magnet embedded in the latch as shown in Ron's album
is a very clever solution.
Remi
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| From: | Thomas Scherer <thomas(at)scherer.com> |
| Subject: | Re: My Longest flight |
having changed from webbased mailer to thunderbird as mail client, this
is a test to the forum. Was hitherto unable to post to the forum.
greetings, Thomas, N81EU
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Fwd: Europa-List: My Longest flight
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 17:02:22 +0100
From: Graeme Bird <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk>
Ha, ha thanks for the email. Why cant you post to forum, company
firewall/policy?
Regards Graeme
On 07/09/2013 11:00, Thomas Scherer wrote:
> Graeme,
>
> long flights are addictive ! Congrats.
>
> One anectode from my longest flight nonstop Alaska to Japan with 20 hrs and 50
mins: I was on freq 123.45 Mhz which is for air-to-air over the bodies of water.
>
> Talked to a Northwest Airliner B747 and as I was in the weather asked him when
I could expect to break out. Gave him my lat/lon and he told me that 50 nm further
I will be in the clear. He asked then when I'd expect Japan. Told him:
14 hrs to go. Quite a surprised voice came back: "what type aircraft are you flying
there ?". Told him to be in a little homebuild burning 2.5 gals of fuel
an hour. His voice - again puzzled - when he repsonded "Wow, sheeet we're burning
120 gals a minute here".
>
> As I cannot post to the forum - feel free to relay.
>
> be well
>
>
> ------------Forwarded message------------
> From: europa-list(at)matronics.com
> Date: Sep 4, 2013 04:39:00 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: My Longest flight
> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
> My longest single continuous flight today, 3:20 370nm, 53ltrs. Comfortable enough.
Luton over Cader Idris to Bardsley Isle at the end of the Lynn Northwales,
back just over Snowden. Fab.
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
> Newby: 75 hours 18 months
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| From: | Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Kelvin Weston wrote:
> I ordered enough foam for two seats to allow a bit of experimenting
and this only cost 20 uk pounds. Well worth the expense and time
getting it right if I'm going to spend several hundreds on the final
upholstered article.
Kelvin...I would urge that you consider using the very special (and
quite spendy) temperfoam for the seat bottoms rather than upholstery
foam...your tush will be very appreciative. My seat bottoms are 1" of
the green "crash foam" (very dense), 1" of blue (less dense), plus
triangular wedges of upholstery foam...it could save you some trauma
from a hard landing...sorry but I cannot source this material for you.
Good luck,
Fred
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| From: | GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
Fred Klein is right. Soft foam and a hard landing (not damaging the airplan
e)=0Awill probably cause serious back injury. Think about it, the foam will
still be compressing-=0Aand you are still going down ,when the airplane
has started its bounce so you hit the seat base twice as hard.-=0ABest se
at cushion is a styoroam bean bag in this situation.=0AGraham=0A=0A________
________________________=0A From: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>=0ATo:
europa-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, 14 September 2013, 14:56=0ASu
bject: Europa-List: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A
=0AOn Sep 13, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Kelvin Weston wrote:=0A=0AI ordered enough
foam for two seats to allow a bit of experimenting and this only cost 20 uk
pounds. -Well worth the expense and time getting it right if I'm going t
o spend several hundreds on the final upholstered article.=0A=0AKelvin...I
would urge that you consider using the very special (and quite spendy) temp
erfoam for the seat bottoms rather than upholstery foam...your tush will be
very appreciative. My seat bottoms are 1" of the green "crash foam" (very
dense), 1" of blue (less dense), plus triangular wedges of upholstery foam.
..it could save you some trauma from a hard landing...sorry but I cannot so
=======
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| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
Here's some more info on Tempur-Pedic foam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempur-Pedic
.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Europa XS A070
Rotax 914
Airframe complete
Avionics a work in progress
From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:57 AM
Subject: Europa-List: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit
On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Kelvin Weston wrote:
I ordered enough foam for two seats to allow a bit of experimenting and this
only cost 20 uk pounds. Well worth the expense and time getting it right if
I'm going to spend several hundreds on the final upholstered article.
Kelvin...I would urge that you consider using the very special (and quite
spendy) temperfoam for the seat bottoms rather than upholstery foam...your
tush will be very appreciative. My seat bottoms are 1" of the green "crash
foam" (very dense), 1" of blue (less dense), plus triangular wedges of
upholstery foam...it could save you some trauma from a hard landing...sorry
but I cannot source this material for you.
Good luck,
Fred
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| From: | Jan de Jong <jan_de_jong(at)casema.nl> |
| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
Aircraft Spruce has pieces on page 29 of the catalogue as follows:
1" x 16" x 18" .........................P/N 01-09310
........................ $23.50 ea.
2" x 16" x 18" .........................P/N 01-09320
........................ $45.75 ea.
3" x 16" x 18" .........................P/N 01-09300
........................ $74.75 ea.
On 9/14/2013 8:36 PM, Rob Housman wrote:
>
> Here's some more info on Tempur-Pedic foam.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempur-Pedic
>
> .
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rob Housman
>
> Europa XS A070
>
> Rotax 914
>
> Airframe complete
>
> Avionics a work in progress
>
> *From:*owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Fred Klein
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:57 AM
> *To:* europa-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Europa-List: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit
>
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Kelvin Weston wrote:
>
>
> I ordered enough foam for two seats to allow a bit of experimenting
> and this only cost 20 uk pounds. Well worth the expense and time
> getting it right if I'm going to spend several hundreds on the final
> upholstered article.
>
> Kelvin...I would urge that you consider using the very special (and
> quite spendy) temperfoam for the seat bottoms rather than upholstery
> foam...your tush will be very appreciative. My seat bottoms are 1" of
> the green "crash foam" (very dense), 1" of blue (less dense), plus
> triangular wedges of upholstery foam...it could save you some trauma
> from a hard landing...sorry but I cannot source this material for you.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Fred
>
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| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
| From: | rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us |
Hi Group
I don't have personal experience flying in colder weather with
temperfoam, but Richard who flies a Europa upstate NY got rid of his
because it got too hard for his likes in the cold.
Ron Parigoris
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| From: | "David Joyce" <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk> |
| Subject: | Re: My Longest flight |
Thomas, Received on forum and a big welcome back, David
Joyce, G-XSDJ
Thomas Scherer wrote:
> having changed from webbased mailer to thunderbird as
>mail client, this is a test to the forum. Was hitherto
>unable to post to the forum.
>
> greetings, Thomas, N81EU
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Europa-List: My Longest flight
> Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 17:02:22 +0100
>From: Graeme Bird <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk>
> To: thomas(at)scherer.com
>
>
>
> Ha, ha thanks for the email. Why cant you post to forum,
>company
> firewall/policy?
>
> Regards Graeme
>
> On 07/09/2013 11:00, Thomas Scherer wrote:
>> Graeme,
>>
>> long flights are addictive ! Congrats.
>>
>> One anectode from my longest flight nonstop Alaska to
>>Japan with 20 hrs and 50 mins: I was on freq 123.45 Mhz
>>which is for air-to-air over the bodies of water.
>>
>> Talked to a Northwest Airliner B747 and as I was in the
>>weather asked him when I could expect to break out. Gave
>>him my lat/lon and he told me that 50 nm further I will
>>be in the clear. He asked then when I'd expect Japan.
>>Told him: 14 hrs to go. Quite a surprised voice came
>>back: "what type aircraft are you flying there ?". Told
>>him to be in a little homebuild burning 2.5 gals of fuel
>>an hour. His voice - again puzzled - when he repsonded
>>"Wow, sheeet we're burning 120 gals a minute here".
>>
>> As I cannot post to the forum - feel free to relay.
>>
>> be well
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------Forwarded message------------
>> From: europa-list(at)matronics.com
>> Date: Sep 4, 2013 04:39:00 PM
>> Subject: Europa-List: My Longest flight
>> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
>>
>>graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk>
>>
>> My longest single continuous flight today, 3:20 370nm,
>>53ltrs. Comfortable enough. Luton over Cader Idris to
>>Bardsley Isle at the end of the Lynn Northwales, back
>>just over Snowden. Fab.
>>
>> --------
>> Graeme Bird
>> G-UMPY
>> Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
>> Newby: 75 hours 18 months
>> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408021#408021
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04664_1_213.jpg
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc046101_186.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
| From: | Richard Iddon <riddon(at)sent.com> |
I had a similar experience. Couldn't sit on it for more than an hour without my
nether regions going numb.
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS
On 14 Sep 2013, at 20:36, rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
> Hi Group
>
> I don't have personal experience flying in colder weather with temperfoam, but
Richard who flies a Europa upstate NY got rid of his because it got too hard
for his likes in the cold.
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
>
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
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| From: | GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: My Longest flight |
Thomas=0Agood to see you back! How is Camaroon?=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A__________
______________________=0A From: David Joyce <davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk>=0AT
o: europa-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, 15 September 2013, 8:42=0ASub
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n forum and a big welcome back, David Joyce, G-XSDJ=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, 14 Sep
changed from webbased mailer to thunderbird as mail client, this is a test
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ks for the email. Why cant you post to forum, company=0A> firewall/policy?
=0A> =0A> Regards Graeme=0A> =0A> On 07/09/2013 11:00, Thomas Scherer wrote
:=0A>> Graeme,=0A>> =0A>> long flights are addictive ! Congrats.=0A>> =0A>>
One anectode from my longest flight nonstop Alaska to Japan with 20 hrs an
d 50 mins: I was on freq 123.45 Mhz which is for air-to-air over the bodies
of water.=0A>> =0A>> Talked to a Northwest Airliner B747 and as I was in t
he weather asked him when I could expect to break out. Gave him my lat/lon
and he told me that 50 nm further I will be in the clear. He asked then whe
n I'd expect Japan. Told him: 14 hrs to go. Quite a surprised voice came ba
ck: "what type aircraft are you flying there ?". Told him to be in a little
homebuild burning 2.5 gals of fuel an hour. His voice - again puzzled - wh
en he repsonded "Wow, sheeet we're burning 120 gals a minute here".=0A>>
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| Subject: | Impact absorbing foam and reed switches |
| From: | alan.twigg775(at)gmail.com |
The online shop for the British Gliding Association sells seat sized pieces of both densities of foam. The BGA strongly recommend impact absorbing foam, which to my knowledge has saved many backs. BGA site is www.gliding.co.uk
On reed switches, I had a wiring system designed for Tim Houlahan by Robin Morton.
This employs micro switches but I scratched my head raw trying to get the
down latch to strike a switch. My other requirement was to hide the switches in
the tunnel. The solution that worked has a reed switch supported in paxolene
shaped within the tunnel, with several disc magnets within a hole at the lower
most point the latch falls.
Having really struggled to repair a broken cable, I have built the whole set of
switches onto a module that mounts on the screws used to mount the aluminium
undercarriage gate. Since I have Motorglider wings this is enlarged to accommodate
the airbrake lever.
I will try to attach photos when I work out how.
Alan Twigg
(Twiggy)
Motorglider kit 463.
Wings ready to fill
Panel built engine and prop (Airmaster) on.
Fuselage just about ready to paint.
Completion possibly before Motorglider approved in UK.
Sent from my iPhone
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| From: | GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
that's the advantage of a bean bag, just shuffle a bit and the shape adjust
s=0Ato the new profile of your backside. In a bump the beans crush and abso
rb energy.=0AThat came from Farnborough via the BGA donkeys years ago.=0AGr
aham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Richard Iddon <riddo
n(at)sent.com>=0ATo: europa-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, 15 September 2
013, 9:27=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery k
om>=0A=0AI had a similar experience. Couldn't sit on it for more than an ho
ur without my nether regions going numb.=0A=0ARichard Iddon =0A=0AG-RIXS=0A
On 14 Sep 2013, at 20:36, rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:=0A=0A> Hi Group
=0A> =0A> I don't have personal experience flying in colder weather with te
mperfoam, but Richard who flies a Europa upstate NY got rid of his because
it got too hard for his likes in the cold.=0A> =0A> Ron Parigoris=0A> =0A>
=0A> =0A> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List=0A> =0A> http://fo
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| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
| From: | Richard Iddon <riddon(at)sent.com> |
Do you have a source for a small bean bag Graham or is it a case of DIY? I just
googled it and could only find giant things.
Richard
On 15 Sep 2013, at 10:18, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote:
> that's the advantage of a bean bag, just shuffle a bit and the shape adjusts
> to the new profile of your backside. In a bump the beans crush and absorb energy.
> That came from Farnborough via the BGA donkeys years ago.
> Graham
>
> From: Richard Iddon <riddon(at)sent.com>
> To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013, 9:27
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit
>
>
> I had a similar experience. Couldn't sit on it for more than an hour without
my nether regions going numb.
>
> Richard Iddon
>
> G-RIXS
> On 14 Sep 2013, at 20:36, rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
>
> > Hi Group
> >
> > I don't have personal experience flying in colder weather with temperfoam,
but Richard who flies a Europa upstate NY got rid of his because it got too hard
for his likes in the cold.
> >
> > Ron Parigoris
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigatorsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
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| From: | "richard" <rcollings(at)talktalk.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Factory upholstery kit |
Hi Kelvin
I found the solution to your problem was to make two cushion shaped seat
backs in 3mm ply wood. I covered both sides with bid and re-enforced with 2
lengths of 1/2 inch tube approx 12 inches apart running down about 12 inches
of the back surface and extending about 1 inches from the bottom edge. I
made 2 holes in the 3mm ply wood seat floor for the extended re-enforcement
tubes to locate at an angle that best suited my comfort and cut out the
profile of the wing pins on each side . I just lay the seat cushion back up
against these back rests and hold them in place with the Velcro flap at the
top and the seat cushion at the base, problem solved. It would be possible
to add further holes in the seat base to alter the seat position but I have
not found it necessary.
Best of luck Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: Kelvin Weston
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit
on.biz>
Thanks Keith / Ron
You have confirmed my thoughts about the seat back cushion.
I spoke with Ingrid at Auto-Trim, the company that makes the factory kit and
she sent me this reply regarding the conflict with the wing spar pins:
Having seen the aircraft, the position of the pins and the comments from
potential customers I have made the decision to modify the pattern and cut
away the foam in that area and re shape the cover accordingly.
Good to hear, a bit late for those that have already purchased a kit or
seats and still doesn't address the potential problem of the gap between the
bottom of the seat back and the cockpit module.
At the moment, I am investigating some local upholstery businesses to see
what they can offer and at what price. Living near to the sailing areas of
Portsmouth and The Solent, there are lots of marine upholsterers that have
shown an interest. I have also approached some car and vehicle trimmers.
To assess what I wanted from the seat cushions, I purchased some foam from a
company that will cut any shape and size for you either regular shapes, or
to your supplied template. I had some rectangles cut to the required
thickness for the main part of the seat base and seat back and also some
trapezium and triangle shaped bits for under the knees and as an infill for
the gap at the lower back.
I glued the various bits together to form the two cushions and cut the back
to the headrest shape. They look good even without covers, are really
comfortable to sit on and should give me a good template to take to the
upholsterer. I will probably substitute some Dynafoam or Confor foam for
the seat base in the final configuration.
I ordered enough foam for two seats to allow a bit of experimenting and this
only cost 20 uk pounds. Well worth the expense and time getting it right if
I'm going to spend several hundreds on the final upholstered article.
--------
Regards
Kelv Weston
Kit 497
kelv(at)kdweston.biz
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| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
| From: | "AirEupora" <AirEupora(at)sbcglobal.net> |
I bought the foam for my seats at the following URL:
> http://www.seatfoam.com/aviation.htm
They have three different firmness and they are heat activated. Just like ski
boots. It a little on the pricey side, but they work.
I need to put a lumbar support on my airplane and one more layer of the dense foam
as I'll hit bottom after an hour of flight time. There are three colors .
Pink real soft, green middle and then the hard Blue. I'm 250 lbs and I fly
in a warm climate.
Rick Stockton
N120EJ
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| From: | Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com> |
Gidday,
Considering seating solutions I was wondering if anyone has an opinion on whether
there might be an argument to take a plaster moulding of my back, then laying
it up with cloth, then applying a suitable depth of foam to that plug, and
then re-laying more cloth on-top of that. This way you get an insert that has
your upholstery attached that you can drop in, and the plan is to then pack it
out appropriately. Would that be a worthy strategy, or am I thinking too much?
It might be a bit limiting for wriggle room I suppose, but as I see it, there
isn't much wiggle room anyway. I'm interested in the bean bag solution, but
I have never sat in one that was initially comfortable, and I don't know how you
could contain the beads such that they didn't migrate. So, any opinions on
my attempts to "redesign the wheel" ? I would love to find a product, a spray
foam, that would go off quickly and then be shapeable. It would be great to be
able to use a spray foam as a template-able material. If there is anything out
there that can do that, I'd love to know.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Aussie
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| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
| From: | "Dave Disney" <davedisney(at)yahoo.co.uk> |
I need an additional cushion to raise my height in the aircraft so I have been
following this thread with interest.
There is a company in the UK that appears to supply just the sort of cushions that
I am looking for.
http://www.qbitus.co.uk/
If you click on the green tab on the right hand side for the 'Dynamic Range', there
is an interesting write up that includes reference to the thermo-reactive
problems of some foam products.
I haven't contacted the company yet to discuss my needs, but there may be some
interesting information on their site for others with regards to different types
of foam products and their attributes.
Dave
G-RJWX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408653#408653
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| From: | Alan Burrill <alanb(at)dpy01.co.uk> |
As far as the shape of the setback to clear the spar pins mine has a clear curved
hardback which clears the pins and provides a firm base for the foam for the
back. It also offer s a little Lumbar support.
The seat cushion insert is the 'absorbing foam material which is a little hard
after a long flight and I'm looking to try and provide more thigh support to take
the pressure off and spread the load a little better.
No idea of the manufacture but I did let the Yorkshire lass at the LAA Rally Tent
have a look to see if it helped her seat design.
As far as shaping seats to persons profile I remember once watching a program on
formula one cars and they had the driver sit in a mould while they pumped in
a foam to get the exact shape required - sorry don't have any details other than
that.
Alan
G-OBJT
On 16 Sep 2013, at 09:31, Tony Renshaw wrote:
>
> Gidday,
> Considering seating solutions I was wondering if anyone has an opinion on whether
there might be an argument to take a plaster moulding of my back, then laying
it up with cloth, then applying a suitable depth of foam to that plug, and
then re-laying more cloth on-top of that. This way you get an insert that has
your upholstery attached that you can drop in, and the plan is to then pack
it out appropriately. Would that be a worthy strategy, or am I thinking too much?
It might be a bit limiting for wriggle room I suppose, but as I see it, there
isn't much wiggle room anyway. I'm interested in the bean bag solution, but
I have never sat in one that was initially comfortable, and I don't know how
you could contain the beads such that they didn't migrate. So, any opinions on
my attempts to "redesign the wheel" ? I would love to find a product, a spray
foam, that would go off quickly and then be shapeable. It would be great to
be able to use a spray foam as a template-able materia!
> l. If there is anything out there that can do that, I'd love to know.
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Aussie
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
Dave=0Aa deep soft cushion WILL cause injury in a moderately heavy landing.
=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Dave Disney <da
vedisney(at)yahoo.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, 16 S
eptember 2013, 9:56=0ASubject: Europa-List: europa-List: Re: Factory uphols
ney(at)yahoo.co.uk>=0A=0AI need an additional cushion to raise my height in th
e aircraft so I have been following this thread with interest.=0A=0AThere i
s a company in the UK that appears to supply just the sort of cushions that
I am looking for. =0A=0Ahttp://www.qbitus.co.uk/=0A=0AIf you click on the
green tab on the right hand side for the 'Dynamic Range', there is an inter
esting write up that includes reference to the thermo-reactive problems of
some foam products.=0A=0AI haven't contacted the company yet to discuss my
needs, but there may be some interesting information on their site for othe
rs with regards to different types of foam products and their attributes.
=0A=0ADave=0AG-RJWX=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://
forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408653#408653=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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| From: | Brian Davies <brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk> |
Tony
Take a look at www. Demon-tweaks.co.uk and look up expanding foam seat kit. I have used this in racing car and makes an exact foam shape of your body. I am not sure of the practicality of in a Europa because it be could uncomfortable for any one else who sat in the seat.
Regards
Brian Davies
Sent from my iPad
On 16 Sep 2013, at 09:31, Tony Renshaw wrote:
>
> Gidday,
> Considering seating solutions I was wondering if anyone has an opinion on whether
there might be an argument to take a plaster moulding of my back, then laying
it up with cloth, then applying a suitable depth of foam to that plug, and
then re-laying more cloth on-top of that. This way you get an insert that has
your upholstery attached that you can drop in, and the plan is to then pack
it out appropriately. Would that be a worthy strategy, or am I thinking too much?
It might be a bit limiting for wriggle room I suppose, but as I see it, there
isn't much wiggle room anyway. I'm interested in the bean bag solution, but
I have never sat in one that was initially comfortable, and I don't know how
you could contain the beads such that they didn't migrate. So, any opinions on
my attempts to "redesign the wheel" ? I would love to find a product, a spray
foam, that would go off quickly and then be shapeable. It would be great to
be able to use a spray foam as a template-able materia!
> l. If there is anything out there that can do that, I'd love to know.
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Aussie
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| From: | GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> |
Tony=0Ayour idea is a good starting point. The trick with bean bags is that
they have to be only half full so that the beans can wriggle too. They don
't migrate through normal upholstery fabric.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______
_________________________=0A From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
=0ATo: europa-list(at)matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, 16 September 2013, 9:31
=0ASubject: Europa-List: Seat backs=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted
by: Tony Renshaw =0A=0AGidday,=0AConsidering sea
ting solutions I was wondering if anyone has an opinion on whether there mi
ght be an argument to take a plaster moulding of my back, then laying it up
with cloth, then applying a suitable depth of foam to that plug, and then
re-laying more cloth on-top of that. This way you get an insert that has yo
ur upholstery attached that you can drop in, and the plan is to then pack i
t out appropriately. Would that be a worthy strategy, or am I thinking too
much? It might be a bit limiting for wriggle room I suppose, but as I see i
t, there isn't much wiggle room anyway. I'm interested in the bean bag solu
tion, but I have never sat in one that was initially comfortable, and I don
't know how you could contain the beads such that they didn't migrate. So,
any opinions on my attempts to "redesign the wheel" ? I would love to find
a product, a spray foam, that would go off quickly and then be shapeable. I
t would be great to be able to use a spray foam as a
template-able materia!=0Al. If there is anything out there that can do tha
t, I'd love to know. =0ARegards=0ATony Renshaw=0ASydney Aussie=0A=0A=0A=0A_
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| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
| From: | "h&jeuropa" <butcher43(at)att.net> |
We chose Oregon Aero for our seat cushions. They have years of experience engineering
seats that are comfortable and provide safety in the event of hard landing
/ crash. They now have a pattern for the Europa XS, with cut outs for the
spar pins. They sent us the cushions to try before upholstering. They can
do upholstery or you can have a local person do it. They also sold us lightweight,
aircraft quality (fire resistant) carpet which we cut & finished for our
interior.
We actually had 3 sets made - one for each seat plus a "booster" that can be used
in pilot or co-pilot side (since Heather couldn't reach pedals / see out to
land with normal seats). It works well for taking Young Eagles also.
Seats are very comfortable. When it is cold out, they initially feel hard, but
within minutes you don't even notice the seat. Most of our flights are 2-3 hours,
and it can be very cold in Michigan & at altitude. We've flown from Michigan
to Colorado and Arizona (6-7 hours in a day). Absolutely no back pain or
discomfort in flight and after arriving.
People complain that they are expensive, but between comfort & knowing that they
will protect in the event of hard landing, we think they are the best way to
go for seats.
Jim & Heather Butcher
N241BW
485 hrs
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| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
| From: | Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> |
An excellent description and documentation of a Europa seat upholstery method can
be found at:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/justin@systemwise.co.uk.05.07.2007/
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| From: | "flyingphil2" <flyingphil627-europastuff(at)yahoo.co.uk> |
When I used to work in F1, we would have people come round to help with the seat
fitting for the new drivers.
The procedure was to get the driver to sit in their preferred position whilst sitting
on a bag full of polystyrene beads and resin (it may have been more glamorous
than that - just to get the price up to F1 standards). Once they had sat
there for a while and it had cured, the bag could then be taken away and used
as a mould to make a padded seat from.
So, all of the ideas so far and the link to demon tweaks are similar to this and
would achieve the same end result.
Regards,
Phil
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| From: | "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq(at)onetel.net> |
Hi All.
The Met Office have given themselves 1000000 bonus for predicting the weather this
year,
Is, ant this what they are employed to do, or am I missing something.
Crazy country.
Alan
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| From: | "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi> |
| Subject: | Re: Fuel return line one-way-valve |
Hi Ron,
I try to elaborate this a bit:
Think what happen if you will get a leak to this line. Return fuel is
then coming out from engine as well as direct from the tank by gravity.
Remember =93 if installed as per manual =93 a fuel return
line is connected to the reserve side bottom of the tank.
Even worse scenario: during succesful forced landing your ac will suffer
minor damages to the fire wall etc. Before landing you have closed as
per POH your fuel valve but you have no valve in the fuel return line.
If it is broken your tank will go empty under you. Maybe you are not
able to escape in time. How is then sitting as jammed in the ac,
listening fuel splitting out and waiting the possible flames?
Of course it is possible to have also a manual fuel valve in the return
line also. Intead of that one-way-valve is automatic and works well if
located as close as possible from the tank.
Before installing my one-way-valve I closed the entire fuel return line
and I did not noticed any difference (there is a risk for a vapour lock
/fire upp engine difficulties when semi warm and reserve side of the
tank is then also not refreshed ie. always full).
If I were building now, I would like to instal the fuel return line
joint to the top of the tank instead of the bottom of it. That=C2=B4s
bad only if you are inverted...and damaging the ac same time.
How was my elaboration?
Cheers, Raimo Toivio
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417
Updated flight hours /landings: 376 /604
(no damaged props so far)
37500 Lempaala
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
www.rwm.fi
From: rparigor(at)suffolk.lib.ny.us
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel filters
Hi Raimo
You mentioned:
Notice:
- Adding one-way-valve to the fuel return line
(idea by Frans Veldman) is a great must (and
mandatory at least for me).
Can you elaborate a little on why you might want to put a one-way-valve
on the fuel return line? Is this for a 914 fuel system?
Thx.
Ron Parigoris
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| From: | "graeme bird" <graeme(at)gdbmk.co.uk> |
Maybe I am a Philistine; I just used 2" memory foam (blue) with a 6mm ply base
and back to match the headrest angle. It adapts to your shape, its absorbs energy,
I cant feel the spar pins, its square shape was easy to upholster. I used
3" for the seat, 2 blue and one pink. Just a rectangle. I cant see how it could
be more comfortable.
Dont forget you will be taking them in and out a lot and putting your muddy feet
on them and kneeling on them too.
I was very impressed with the upholstery for Europas at the LAA Rally though for
400 quid though
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 75 hours 18 months
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| From: | "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi> |
| Subject: | Re: Texel weather ,,,...... |
Yes it definetely was - below windmills - and both
directions from and to the East. We elected to
climb to the clouds and relax in IMC.
Marke and Raimo
OH-XRT
-----Alkuper=E4inen viesti-----
From: David Joyce
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Texel weather ,,,......
Bob, Thanks. Could you be really helpful and post
a local
METAR at say 8.30 local tomorrow for the sake of
those
contemplating Sat arrival. The forecasts look
generally
good apart from RASP predictions which seem to
suggest a
cloudbase something below windmill height!
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
"Bob Harrison" wrote:
> Hi! Just to be helpful........I can confirm that
> the weather here is hot and
> humid with wall to wall blue sky.........what is
> it
>
> Cavok......
>
> Regards
>
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
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| From: | Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | =?windows-1252?Q?Instrument_Panel_Sub_Panel_Setup=85=2E=2ERunner?= |
=?windows-1252?Q?s=3F_?
Gidday,
I am interested in advice on what might be considered the best setup for the instrument
panel, in terms of ease of maintenance, removal etc. I am wondering if
the main sub panel could be removable forward on runners, like drawer sliders?
Big aircraft have these, as was my misfortune one day to realise when I grabbed
the two foot rests D rings either side of the panel and pulled to give my
shoulders a stretch, but little did I know that during maintenance the locking
screws had not been actuated, and the whole panel came forward up to the back
of the control column! I looked at the other guy with shock, and just gently
eased it back in place, hoping nothing had, or would disconnect in the process.
Yes, we were airborne! It left an indelible memory, but has inspired me as
to whether such a setup could work on the Europa. This idea is borne out of imagining
how unwieldy it might be with all the weight aft of the sub panel, to
remove it forward easily, especially with plumbing attached. Runners would make
it a lot easier.
If there is other options for these sub panels I'd appreciate knowing, or whether
my anxieties are unfounded. Thanks in anticipation.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Aussie
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| From: | Jeremy Fisher <jffisher(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
Let me emphasize the importance of using a Temperfoam or Comforfoam seat
bottom cushion. Two years ago I flew my Lancair 360 when the engine
quit after only 8 hours from new, because the fuel transfer system
failed. I had to deadstick into a small field. A Lancair glides like a
brick so I had a long flare at the bottom. According to the FAA, I
clipped a tall tree, which caused me to land in a horizontal attitude,
but with a very high descent rate, and little forward speed. =46rom my
experience with ejection seats, I estimate that I pulled between 25 and
30 Gs. It was enough to snap the main spar, break the crankshaft and
break off the rear fuselage. I survived with relatively minor injuries,
broken ribs, two broken teeth and a very badly sprained neck. I believe
that this was due to two things. I had used Temperfoam with all 3
grades of hardness for the seat cushions, and I had repositioned the
upper seatbelt attachment points to the upper fuselage just behind the
canopy. The original seatbelt point is below the pilot's shoulder level
and well back, so that there is always some slack left, and it will
increase the likelihood of spinal injury.
If I had used ordinary upholstery foam, I think that I would have broken
my spine. Ordinary foam would have rebounded and increased the stress on
my back. As it was, I lost one full inch in height as the discs all
compressed. The original seat belt location would also have increased
the spinal loading. As it was the belt held rock solid, and I just had
bad bruising. Now that I am building a Europa, I see the same issues,
especially the upper seat belt mounting position. As you can guess, I
am using Temperfoam and have repositioned the upper belt mountings in a
similar way to that done by Frans Veldmann. I don't care if the seat
feels hard (it didn't), I want the protection.
As a slightly amusing side effect, I used to have a bad back, and
occasionally a slipped disc. Since the crash, my bad back is almost
cured, with no slipped discs; but I don't recommend it as a treatment!
Jerry Fisher
On Sep 14, 2013, at 2:21 PM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote:
Fred Klein is right. Soft foam and a hard landing (not damaging the
airplane)
will probably cause serious back injury. Think about it, the foam will
still be compressing
and you are still going down ,when the airplane has started its bounce
so you hit the seat base twice as hard.
Best seat cushion is a styoroam bean bag in this situation.
Graham
From: Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com>
Sent: Saturday, 14 September 2013, 14:56
Subject: Europa-List: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit
On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Kelvin Weston wrote:
> I ordered enough foam for two seats to allow a bit of experimenting
and this only cost 20 uk pounds. Well worth the expense and time
getting it right if I'm going to spend several hundreds on the final
upholstered article.
Kelvin...I would urge that you consider using the very special (and
quite spendy) temperfoam for the seat bottoms rather than upholstery
foam...your tush will be very appreciative. My seat bottoms are 1" of
the green "crash foam" (very dense), 1" of blue (less dense), plus
triangular wedges of upholstery foam...it could save you some trauma
from a hard landing...sorry but I cannot source this material for you.
Good luck,
Fred
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| From: | Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com> |
| Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
On Sep 16, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Jeremy Fisher wrote:
> I had used Temperfoam with all 3 grades of hardness for the seat
cushions, and I had repositioned the upper seatbelt attachment points to
the upper fuselage just behind the canopy. The original seatbelt point
is below the pilot's shoulder level and well back, so that there is
always some slack left, and it will increase the likelihood of spinal
injury.
Jeremy...as you're no doubt aware, the standard shoulder belt on the
Europa is at or below shoulder height and is apt to contribute to spinal
compression in a hard landing. I've raised mine w/ a hinged riser as
shown in the attached photos...I've stress-tested them to 15 Gs w/ no
collapse or deformation...the hinge allows for the normal "sitting on
the raised seat back" method for entering and exiting a XS mono...no
change in shoulder belt attach point.
The last photo shows my layers of blue and green Temperfoam, augmented
w/ regular upholstery foam wedges...note the ends of the lumbar support
visable at the seat back...backs are propped in place w/ blocks of pink
styrofoam.
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: f-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Inst?= =?utf-8?Q?rument_Panel_Sub_Pane?= |
=?utf-8?Q?l_Setup..Runners=3F?
| From: | roddyeuropa(at)aol.com |
Hi Tony
I installed a sub panel for the six standard instruments. The instruments w
ere installed in a 3 mm aluminum plate, a hole cut to that size and the su
b panel attached to the main panel by six countersunk machine screws. The s
ub pane is installed flush with the main panel - I added a narrow fiberglas
s backing strip, and the sub panel screws into anchor nuts - the type with
the two holes for the pop rivets on the same side. Qutie a tight fit for a
mono panel, but just about room. All the instruments have connectors - incl
uding the pitot static, which means you can get the sub panel out in about
5 minutes. It has worked well. It makes it easier to take the main panel in
and out as you have 1) a big hole through which you can work behind the pa
nel and 2) when you take the panel in and out, quite a lot of the weight ha
s already been removed. if I did it all again, 10 years on, I wouldn't be i
nstalling gyro instruments, but would still go for a sub panel.
Roddy Kesterton
G-IKRK
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 1:24
Subject: Europa-List: Instrument Panel Sub Panel Setup..Runners?
Gidday,
I am interested in advice on what might be considered the best setup for th
e
instrument panel, in terms of ease of maintenance, removal etc. I am wonder
ing
if the main sub panel could be removable forward on runners, like drawer
sliders? Big aircraft have these, as was my misfortune one day to realise w
hen I
grabbed the two foot rests D rings either side of the panel and pulled to g
ive
my shoulders a stretch, but little did I know that during maintenance the
locking screws had not been actuated, and the whole panel came forward up t
o the
back of the control column! I looked at the other guy with shock, and just
gently eased it back in place, hoping nothing had, or would disconnect in t
he
process. Yes, we were airborne! It left an indelible memory, but has inspir
ed me
as to whether such a setup could work on the Europa. This idea is borne out
of
imagining how unwieldy it might be with all the weight aft of the sub panel
, to
remove it forward easily, especially with plumbing a!
ttached. Runners would make it a lot easier.
If there is other options for these sub panels I'd appreciate knowing, or
whether my anxieties are unfounded. Thanks in anticipation.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Aussie
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| From: | GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEV1cm9wYS1MaXN0OiBJbnN0cnVtZW50IFBhbmVsIFN1YiBQYW5lbCBT?= |
=?utf-8?B?ZXR1cOKApi4uUnVubmVycz8g?
Tony=0Aexcellent idea to think about this. I've been working on an old Clas
sic and several times wanted to check things =0Abehind the panel. Accessibi
lity on a standard plans built Europa is a long way from being good. Factor
y was so =0Astressed at design time that they laft all that to we builders
and there were a few good ideas tried.=0AOne I haven't seen is a hinge at t
he bootom of the panel.=0AMost important is to keep it light, early panel i
nstallations with a lot of steam age stuff in them weighed anything =0Aup t
o 40lbs!=0ADigital stuff has made it a lot easier and engine management sys
tems ease the workload of single crew VFR.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________
_______________________=0A From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com>=0A
y, 17 September 2013, 1:23=0ASubject: Europa-List: Instrument Panel Sub Pan
ny Renshaw =0A=0AGidday,=0AI am interested in adv
ice on what might be considered the best setup for the instrument panel, in
terms of ease of maintenance, removal etc. I am wondering if the main sub
panel could be removable forward on runners, like drawer sliders? Big aircr
aft have these, as was my misfortune one day to realise when I grabbed the
two foot rests D rings either side of the panel and pulled to give my shoul
ders a stretch, but little did I know that during maintenance the locking s
crews had not been actuated, and the whole panel came forward up to the bac
k of the control column! I looked at the other guy with shock, and just gen
tly eased it back in place, hoping nothing had, or would disconnect in the
process. Yes, we were airborne! It left an indelible memory, but has inspir
ed me as to whether such a setup could work on the Europa. This idea is bor
ne out of imagining how unwieldy it might be with all the weight aft of the
sub panel, to remove it forward easily,
especially with plumbing a!=0Attached. Runners would make it a lot easier.
=0AIf there is other options for these sub panels I'd appreciate knowing,
or whether my anxieties are unfounded.=C2- Thanks in anticipation.=0ARega
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| Subject: | Re: f-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Instrument_Panel_Sub_Panel_Setup?= =?utf-8?Q?..Runners=3F_? |
| From: | Donald Cameron <fireflier(at)btinternet.com> |
Hi
I went down the route of aluminium sub panels screwed into anchor nuts which
were riveted onto a 15mm edge all the way around my panel cut outs. Below i
s photo of my panel with the sub panels cut out and mounted, then another on
e with the completed panel with instruments installed.
This set up is very easy to remove if required for maintenance just undo sec
uring screws and panel pulls out giving plenty of access to work in behind p
anel.
Kind regards
Donald
Sent from my iPhone
On 17 Sep 2013, at 01:23, Tony Renshaw wrote:
>
> Gidday,
> I am interested in advice on what might be considered the best setup for t
he instrument panel, in terms of ease of maintenance, removal etc. I am wond
ering if the main sub panel could be removable forward on runners, like draw
er sliders? Big aircraft have these, as was my misfortune one day to realise
when I grabbed the two foot rests D rings either side of the panel and pull
ed to give my shoulders a stretch, but little did I know that during mainten
ance the locking screws had not been actuated, and the whole panel came forw
ard up to the back of the control column! I looked at the other guy with sho
ck, and just gently eased it back in place, hoping nothing had, or would dis
connect in the process. Yes, we were airborne! It left an indelible memory, b
ut has inspired me as to whether such a setup could work on the Europa. This
idea is borne out of imagining how unwieldy it might be with all the weight
aft of the sub panel, to remove it forward easily, especially with plumbing
a!
> ttached. Runners would make it a lot easier.
> If there is other options for these sub panels I'd appreciate knowing, or w
hether my anxieties are unfounded. Thanks in anticipation.
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Aussie
>
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