Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-gt
June 03, 2007 - July 03, 2007
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
| Does anyone have an address for Homer's?
Kolb, Homer
580 Wall St
Phoenixville, PA 19460
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| From: | "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: English/American |
Pat,
Pulleeze, enough is enough! The US and UK may have different
airworthiness standards for ultralights but, judging from the British and
American UL publications, there is not that big a difference in the
aircraft. You make it sound as if most US ultralights wouldn't make it past
the oh-so-stringent UK inspections. While your regs may be different, they
sound like more of a big pain than having to do with safety. I'd take our
system over yours any day. Much more simple, and a lot more freedom (as you
recently experienced at MV).
----- Original Message -----
From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: English/American
>
> Does the UK allow for UL un-certificated pilots and the UL vehicles to
> go without annual condition inspection?>>
>
> Hi Thom,
> There is no such thing as an un-certificated pilot here. A Pilots licence
> normally allows flying a plane up to a certain weight. Below the
> Ultralight weight limit of 450 k there are certain allowances and a
> microlight licence will not entitle piloting a GA machine.
How does this answer Thom's question?
(Snip)
. Each countries manufacturers
> have until now had to get a plane through its own countries hoops and then
> all the other countries as well. Although our Section `S` is well regarded
> as a bench mark.
By whom? Never heard of it.
(Snip)
> I didn`t mention in my post the angst which our PFA Chief Engineer had to
> go through as he explained to a nice old chap, over tea and cucumber
> sandwiches naturally, that the plane on which he had lavished hundreds of
> hours of work and a pile of money was a flying coffin fit only for the
> scrap heap. Thats when he earns his money.
What aircraft, and when? (If he's "volunteer, unpaid", how does he "earn
his money"?) We have a saying here, "You get what you pay for".
> The regs we have are a pain in the butt but a first time builder can be
> confident that with an approved kit, the building of which has been
> checked by (Volunteer, unpaid) inspectors and on which the test flying has
> been properly conducted will not bite him. It will not vicously drop a
> wing when stalled. The engine will not die from fuel starvation during a
> full throttle climb out.
Again, what instances/aircraft are you citing? What training/standards do
the inspectors meet? Are they all Aircraft/Aerospace Engineers?
In fact if he has trouble it is probably the pilot , not the
> plane. More importantly perhaps the guy with little experience who buys it
> second or third hand can be equally confident that basically the design
> and build is sound and he can sell it without the possibility of being
> sued if things go wrong.
Anyone who buys a used aircraft and doesn't have it inspected (by an A&P or
IA) is foolish, wouldn't you agree?
The days of 'shade-tree' design and manufacture are fortunately long gone.
Even the most basic designs are able to be produced using computer-based
engineering programs, taking the guesswork out of stress-analysis and such.
Sorry to the List in general, but I'm not the only one here who finds your
continued 'US-bashing' offensive. Our two countries have different ways to
meet aircraft safety requirements. I happen to believe ours is a better
system, but that's my opinion and I'm gentleman enough to keep it to myself.
I would prefer you do the same.
Ed in JXN
MkII/503
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| From: | Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net> |
| Subject: | Fly-in to Homer's |
Gentlemen,
It's time to get a count of how many are planing on coming to Clara &
Homer Kolb's Father's Day Fly-in on Saturday June 16th. I need to let
them know how many are coming so that they may prepare for the group.
If you name isn't already on the list, please add it or let me know in
the next couple of days. Also, if your name is on the list, but you
now find you can't make it, let me know! Hope to see many of you there!
For those flying there:
Co-ordinates: N 40 deg 09' 36.3" Also you can check,
Airnav.com for more information.
W 075 deg 32' 46.6"
John Hauck gave the address for those driving there, so you should be
able to look it up on a mapping program.
Those that said they are coming so far: "Add your name if it's not
listed".
Gene Zimmerman
John Hauck
Wilmer Zimmerman
John Murr
Earl Zimmerman
Eddy Zimmerman
Luray Weachter
Steve Green
Ron - from Arizona?
Thom Riddle
Bob Bean
Chuck Davis
George Alexander
Bill Varnes
Alan Mancus
Scott Olendorf
Dave Kulp
Dan Walter
Rick Kelbon
Bob Bennethum
& Me
Terry - Firefly #95
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WAHOOOO>..Boy oh Boy John...that rotax sure does sound good! Nuttin quite sounds
as good as a 1500 hp Kolb!
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Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
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| From: | DAquaNut(at)aol.com |
Group,
I finally got around to flying the firefly Fri. evening after doing a
decarbon. She fired right up and seems to idle a little smoother but I ran out
of
time. I had to reset the Ivo to 6250 static as she was almost making 6800 rpm
in level flight. How do I verify the 447 is making full HP. I had the prop
off, so even though I have adjusted the pitch to obtain 6250 rpm ,I do not know
if the pitch is the same as it was before,so I dont know for sure I f it is
putting out full power. How do I go about doing this check?
Ed Diebel FF #62
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| From: | "The BaronVonEvil" <grageda(at)innw.net> |
Hi Ed,
Did you check the pitch of the prop prior to adjusting it ? Do you know if you
had to increase or decrease the pitch after the decarb? This in itself would
give you an idea what is going on with your engine.
I believe the max rpm for a 447 (depending on model) is 6800rpm. If you are hitting
that in level flight I would say you are about pitched right for cruise.
Do you recall what any of the engine temps were prior to decarb? If everything
else is the same, than cooler running temps would indicate an engine that isnt
having to work as hard to make the same power.
I hope this helps
Best Regards
Carlos G.
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| From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
List
I'm sorry to see what looks like some unnecessary antagonism here --
specifically between USA and UK pilots.
Come on! -- I for one haven't seen what I'd consider any "continual
US-bashing", and I don't see any "continual Brit-bashing" either.
And I hope I don't, and we don't need that!! -- or anything like that.
I am interested in seeing how the Brit regs are different from the US
ones -- and am indebted to Pat for supplying that info.
Our regs are more lenient than theirs, and fuel prices lower too (how
would you like $11/gallon?) but we should all be thankful for that,
not make any accusations or cause our friends-across-the-Pond any
discomfort. They're Friends! -- please try to remember that.
Let's also remember to jump all over our elected politicians every
time they're off-base about User Fees and whatever the next anti-
aviation proposal is. If enough of us bitch a lot, they'll listen --
that's (supposed to be at least) how Democracy works.
Been working for 231 years now and I sure hope it continues.
But it won't, without Us Guys speaking up when we should.
AOPA is doing a fine job for all of us here.
Russ Kinne
Kolb-related but no need to archive
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| From: | "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
You just gotta love Ed... a man of few words... ;-)
-- Robert
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| Subject: | Re: The FlagFly is sold..... |
Thx a Mil Richard....I am sure he is a fine pilot, but transitioning from a DC-3
to a FireFly might be a little tricky!
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Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| From: | "George Bass" <gtb(at)commspeed.net> |
The following was taken from a post in another group:
================
On the 30th of April the CAA issued an exemption, which allows
single-seat
microlights, having an empty weight of less than 115 Kg (approx. 254
lbs), &
an empty wing loading of less than 10 Kg per square metre, to fly in the
UK,
without a permit to fly, design investigation, formal flight tests or
annual inspections.
The only requirement for the aeroplane is that it must have the
appropriate
level of 3rd party insurance, & a noise certificate, issued by the CAA,
which
may require a noise measurement flight test.
Full details of this new class of aeroplane, & guidance on some of the
designs
already available will be found in the June 2007 issue of `Popular
Flying', due
out shortly.
(10 KG = 22.046 lbs, & 1 square meter = 10.76391 square feet) [I
think]
Hope this helps in the understanding of the SIMILARITY between the UK &
the US
MICROLIGHT / ULTRALIGHT categories.
George Bass
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: English/American |
I'm not the only one here who finds your continued 'US-bashing' offensive>>
Hi Ed,
I think you must suffer from an exceptionaly thin skin. And so does at least
one other listee who has written to me this morning apologising to me for
the rudeness of his fellow American.
At no time did I intentionally `US Bash`. and I think that I have always
made it clear that I appreciate that we just approach things in a different
way.
Sure I would love to be able to load my Xtra up in the way John Hauk loads
his or put a lovely streamlined cowl over the engine, but a few weeks ago
the list was discussing cutting up planes instead of taking the risk of a
law suit if the plane was sold and the buyer came to grief. Thats the other
side of the `freedom ` coin. I have never argued about which is best. I just
accept the fact.
2 people at MV said they liked my posts as they gave a different perpective.
And the sympathetic posts which came in when I stupidly crunched my plane
were magnificent..
Still you can`t please everyone and it would seem that the judicious use of
your `delete` key would save a lot of bad temper.
..
If no one is interested in the way things are done or what people are doing
outside the USA, thats fine. Just let me know and I will stop commenting.
I am always interested in the way things are done in other countries. In
other countries than the USA too,( they do exist you know) and I assumed
that othere were interested too. If I am wrong, well OK
Cheers
PAT
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| From: | "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello fellow Kolbers. I read your forum regularly and rarely have anything to contribute
but I want to tell you what happened to me Saturday! I had just completed
a two hr flight in my Mark II and went down to the local wallmart supercenter
to fill my gas jugs up. I prefer to fill here because of the volume of gas
they sell and i have never had a problem with it....I pulled up to the pump
and filled my Pick up up first with diesel. Then I got my two plastic (Wallmart)
5 gal gas jugs out and set them between my truck and the pump, which was my
first mistake. I will allways put the jugs as far from the pump and my truck
as I can in the future, but I do like to be close enough to read the gallons
on the pump as to not overfill the jugs...I put my "Mr Funnel" in the top of the
first jug. I use a small bungee cord to hold the funnel upright while Im filling
the jug.....I start filling the jug and have about two gallons inside when
the funnel starts getting too full. This is a common problem because it is
hard to pump the gas slow enough even though I have the big 5 gallon per minute
"Mr Funnel"....I stop the nozzel for about 15 seconds to let the funnel catch
up and when I squeeze the nozzel again the funnel just lights right up and begins
BURNING!.....I stepped back and dropped the gas nozzel, and tried to believe
my eyes!!! The funnel and gas jug was truely burning and the second jug had
flames coming out the cap!.....This was happening about two feet away from
my truck and about three feet away from the gas pump! I jumped in the truck and
started it up and moved it away and then ran and told the pimple faced kid in
the little office that I had a fire! I then ran back to the pump and the jugs
were still burning but not nearly as bad as I thought they would. I expected
an explosion any minute and was terrified that the fire was so close to the pump
so I grabbed a windshield washer (thankfully this one was one of the longer
kind) and I pushed the burning jugs about 20' away from the pump. About that
time a gu!
y that w
as watching all this had found a fire extinguiser on the side of the building and
ran up and snuffed the fire out!....Mistake # 2 was not having a fire extinguiser
in my truck! Ofcourse your thinking there was a lot more than two mistakes
commited so far in this crises arent you?...About that time the entire Columbia,
Ms police and fire department arrived on the scene.......Well I can tell
you for sure, I'm extremely Lucky! This could have turned into a huge fire and
people could have been hurt!.............Thankfully I had heard that you need
to put jugs on the ground to prevent static electricity even though it didnt
in this case, it did save me from burning down my truck!.....I had a cell phone
on my belt in a leather case but I didnt recieve any calls during this time.
I will in the future leave the phone in the truck in case it was what caused
the spark.....I think it was just static electricty even though the funnel is
or was plastic. The fire cheif later told me not to use the funnel in the future
and to stick the nozzel into the jug and fill it. The cheap plasic gas jugs
were remarkable though! They just vented out the top and the fire never got
out of hand even though the top half of the jug I was filling was gone by the
time the fire was put out...I havnt decided how Im gonna fuel from now on. Suddenly,
that extra 50 cents a gallon for 100LL doesnt seem so high!......Sorry
this story was so long but I hope I might keep this from happening to someone
else...For now, Im off to find that fire extinguisher......Mike
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Subject: Kolb-List: FIRE!!!!!
This is a com!
> mon problem because it is hard to pump the gas slow enough even though I
> have the big 5 gallon per minute "Mr Funnel"....I stop the nozzel for
> about 15 seconds to let the funnel catch up and when I squeeze the nozzel
> again the funnel just lights right up and begins BURNING
You certainly did several things right- nobody was hurt. The problem was the
"Mr. funnel". The gas hoses are grounded with a wire inside the rubber of
the hose. The problem with filling tanks in the back of the trucks is that
they are not grounded. Normally when filling a tank one tried to keep the
metal of the nozzle in contact with the plastic jug. This keeps the grounded
part of the nozzle in contact with the jug, no fire. If it is set on the
ground you should have no problem. "Mr. funnel" circumvents the grounding,
and the slow filtering also increases the static build up. I cannot remember
for sure, but I have heard of a lot of fires when the Mr. funnel has been
used. I personally think the possible benefits gained are far less than the
hazards risked.
Larry C,Oregon
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| From: | "Ralph B" <ul15rhb(at)juno.com> |
I fill my red plastic red gas cans all the time at the pump and in my garage. I
always transfer fuel with them on the cement and have never had a problem. During
the winter months, I will ground my hand on the garage door railing to help
discharge any static that might have built up.
I think about this all the time as it could be tragic if they ever caught fire.
Thanks for your post.
Ralph
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Ralph B
Original Firestar
20 years flying it
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| Subject: | No checkouts avail at TNK??? |
Gents,
When I sold my Kolb to Steve Simmons in Eastern Tn, He nor I thought getting a
him a checkride in a Kolb would be a problem, since he was an hour or so south
of London and TNK co. To my great suprise he tells me now he called them and
was told they no longer offer flight training or checkrides.
Brother Pike has give the name of a local Ultralite instructor, but he is unable
to do it right now.
Can anyone help us with getting at least a familiarization flight??
An instructor would be good...but possibly a friendly ride with a Kolb pilot to
talk about the Kolb characteristics would be enough. IF not a Kolb then Maybe
even something light and close to a Kolb?
Any kind of help would be appreciated.
I have given him a written description of critical speeds and the flagfly's flight
characteristics, but that of course is nothing like a ride.
I certainly remember , after I got the plane finished, how I wanted a familiarization
flight and John Hauck stopped by here on the way home from OshKosh 3 years
ago and helped me out in this regard, and how I will always be indebted to
him for that. At that time he saved me a long drive to London, (and maybe a
bent gear leg or 2) But at this time even that option is not availbale to Steve
Simmons, the Flagfly's new pilot.
Anybody with any ideas please email me at
donghe@one-eleven.net
or Steve Simmons at :
flightphoto(at)charter.net
I certainly hope this is a temporary thing at TNK. It seems that manufactureing
and selling aircraft without the ability to give the service of checkrides or
demos would be quite a detriment to new plane sales...not to mention the effect
on the resale of all of our existing aircraft
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Don G.
Central Illinois
Kitfox IV Speedster
Luscombe 8A
http://www.geocities.com/dagger369th/my_firefly.htm
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| From: | "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com> |
> Normally when filling a tank one tried to keep the
> metal of the nozzle in contact with the plastic jug. This keeps the grounded
> part of the nozzle in contact with the jug, no fire. If it is set on the
> ground you should have no problem.
>
>
> So, is it possible to cause a spark pouring from one plastic fuel can thru the
"Mr Funnel" into another on the ground?
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| From: | "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com> |
So, is it possible to cause a spark pouring from one plastic fuel can thru the
"Mr Funnel" into another on the ground?
........Sorry,this was my question, not part of the quote..
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| From: | "Robert Laird" <rlaird(at)cavediver.com> |
Mike --
>So, is it possible to cause a spark pouring from one plastic fuel can
thru the
>"Mr Funnel" into another on the ground?
Yes. Static charges can build up on the surface of (usually hard)
plastic containers and can jump from one to another. Keeping constant
contact between all pieces involved is the safest method, eliminating
the chance for static to be different on one part. My guess: When you
stopped fueling and pulled the handle away, a differential in static
developed between the fuel handle and the Mr. Funnel, so when you went
to restart the pumping, static was discharged as the pump nozzle got
close to the Mr. Funnel. If you had left the nozzle in contact with the
Mr. Funnel while you waited for the Mr. Funnel to drain out, the fire
would possibly have been avoided.
Also note that only gasoline vapor is explosive... liquid gasoline will
simply burn, as you witnessed.
-- Robert
<-----Original Message----->
>From: ropermike [ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com]
>Sent: 6/4/2007 10:08:33 AM
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FIRE!!!!!
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>So, is it possible to cause a spark pouring from one plastic fuel can
thru the
>"Mr Funnel" into another on the ground?
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>.........Sorry,this was my question, not part of the quote..
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Mike --
>So, is it possible to cause a spark pouring from one plastic fuel can thru
the
>"Mr Funnel" into another on the ground?
Yes. Static charges can build up on the surface of (usually hard) plastic containers
and can jump from one to another. Keeping constant contact between all
pieces involved is the safest method, eliminating the chance for static to be
different on one part. My guess: When you stopped fueling and pulled the handle
away, a differential in static developed between the fuel handle and the Mr.
Funnel, so when you went to restart the pumping, static was discharged as the
pump nozzle got close to the Mr. Funnel. If you had left the nozzle in contact
with the Mr. Funnel while you waited for the Mr. Funnel to drain out, the
fire would possibly have been avoided.
Also note that only gasoline vapor is explosive... liquid gasoline will simply
burn, as you witnessed.
-- Robert
<-----Original Message----->
>From: ropermike [ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com]<br>
>Sent: 6/4/2007 10:08:33 AM
>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FIRE!!!!!
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>So, is it possible to cause a spark pouring from one plastic fuel can thru
the
>"Mr Funnel" into another on the ground?
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
I fill up the same red plastic jugs also for my Kolb. Its amazing how static electricity
could do that, but im guessing maybe the static built up durring filling
and possibly sent a small discharge from the nozzle to the metal screen
in the MR Funnel which could have started the fire ??? Understanding the possible
causes of this could help others prevent this in the future....
Cellphones will not start a fire at a gas station, that is a wives tale that has
been well covered on mythbusters, and also by statistics and science. There
is no arcing or static buildup occuring anywhere in a cellphone, not even durring
a call. The explanation lies somewhere else.
Anyways, I think the fire cheif was on the right track, it seems like a good idea
not to use the MR Funnel while fueling, and I will make sure I park far away
from the plastic cans I am filling. Thanks for posting, it is something that
I never worried about happening by simply filling a jug, but in the future
I will be much more careful.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| From: | Blumax008(at)aol.com |
This is a reply from one of the guys about the fire this dumb ass had.
Basically he says...lose the fuckin' Mr. Funnel bullshit.
In a message dated 6/4/2007 9:31:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com writes:
You certainly did several things right- nobody was hurt. The problem was the
"Mr. funnel". The gas hoses are grounded with a wire inside the rubber of
the hose. The problem with filling tanks in the back of the trucks is that
they are not grounded. Normally when filling a tank one tried to keep the
metal of the nozzle in contact with the plastic jug. This keeps the grounded
part of the nozzle in contact with the jug, no fire. If it is set on the
ground you should have no problem. "Mr. funnel" circumvents the grounding,
and the slow filtering also increases the static build up. I cannot remember
for sure, but I have heard of a lot of fires when the Mr. funnel has been
used. I personally think the possible benefits gained are far less than the
hazards risked.
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| From: | Blumax008(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: After Market Crap...FIRE! |
If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times...get rid of the crap.
The after market crap everyone & their brother throws on the market of any
sport appearing anywhere. Keep it simple. Believe me, with 30 years experience
in
the sport behind me, your little Rotax or whatever will not know the
difference if you've slightly miscalculated the mixing procedure or even if you've
gotten a bit of trash or water in the son of a bitch. That's what the in-line
filter is designed to do.
I've even run my 503 accidentally with NO oil for 5 gallons with no
problems...just a little higher than normal temp. Just lose the crap like Mr.
Funnel
and all the rest of the unnecessary bullshit that they tell you that you
can't live without! Better yet, don't buy the crap in the first place. I'd go
so
far as to tell you to lose that expensive stupid ass overpriced parachute
that you never use. In 30 years I've done some pretty radical crap in
ultralights & never had to use one. Not to mention the expense of having it repacked.
"Don't drink, don't smoke, don't chase women, live an extra two years & die
anyway!" Greatest bumper sticker I ever saw in my life. So what if you're
wing falls off...we're all going to die in a few years anyway! SAVE YOUR MONEY!
Spend it on liquor & women! Live a little with the time you've got left!
Spend time in the air & not on the internet BUYING CRAP YOU'LL NEVER NEED OR USE!
Get rid of the CRAP!
You old timers like me out there will remember when you could ride your
bicycle with nothing more on than a pair of cutoffs. If you fell off in the
gravel & skinned the shit out of your knee it was your dumb ass luck & you learned
a damn good lesson. Now you've got to have these stupid as hell looking
crash helmets, special bicycling shorts & tops, special gloves & sunglasses,
heart rate monitors, stopwatches etc. Anyone seen the latest idiots paddling
Kayaks nowadays? You'd think they were on an around the world trip...non-stop!
The most absolutely rediculous example of this was in the Virgin Islands
when I actually witnessed a SCUBA diver DROWNING under the weight of all the
crap he was trying to swim with!
DON'T BUY THE CRAP IN THE FIRST PLACE...
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: English/American |
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Hi Thom,
a point I had never considered. I don`t know if its the same here. Your way
sounds too much of a common sense approach for us.
Its a problem I may have to face. Changes of pressure though scuba diving,
the same with gliding and ul flying plus playing drums in a jazz band for a
good many years have certainly taken its toll on my hearing according to
Wendy.. WHAT DID YOU SAY DEAR?
I am surprised about the non controlled airfields proportion in the States.
We have this image that everything in the States is superbly oganised and
efficient not like the bumbling, amateur English. I think most places even
pretending to be an airfield here have someone on the ground answering radio
calls. Probably not actually Controlling anything but giving landing info.
Plenty of farm strips with just PPR only Of course we have only just
started the Unicom system which you have had for years.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: English/American |
| From: | "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> |
<< Sorry to the List in general, but I'm not the only one here who finds
your continued 'US-bashing' offensive. Our two countries have different
ways to meet aircraft safety requirements ... Ed in JXN >>
I did not interpret Pat's comparison of UK versus US aircraft cert rules
as "US-Bashing." No where once did Pat suggest that their system in
England is better than the way aircraft are certified in the United
States.
It was interesting to me to learn the differences, and makes me continue
to appreciate the system (even with all its imperfections) and freedoms
we have here in America when it comes to building & flying our
homebuilts.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, in
Cedar Crest, NM
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| From: | "JAMES BEARD" <JAMESBEARD305(at)msn.com> |
| Subject: | Our similar differences |
After reading todays posts, I'm a little confused.....BlueMax is on a
blue streak.....fuel poured into a funnel "down under" is just going to
fall right out of the cans anyway, unless they're held upside
down.....and the americans and british are two peoples divided by a
common language, apparently. Blue, I agree with what you say, but a
little put off by the manner of speech.
Pat, I 'ave the greatest respect for your insightful postings...carry
on! ...and oh, mike, so glad you did not join the ranks of the
"screaming Alpha" (sailor jargon for those ablaze).. God, I love this
place!!!
......Jim and Jackalope (under
destruction) in Az
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Last year Bill Catalina, the Blue Max, was going to unsubscribe because we
didn't put up with his adult words. Is this the same person?
_http://www.flythecoast.com/_ (http://www.flythecoast.com/)
In a message dated 6/4/2007 1:24:38 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
flykolb(at)wowway.com writes:
Right on Richard! I forwarded these to Matt. Let's see what happens.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: _Richard Pike_ (mailto:richard(at)bcchapel.org)
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FIRE!!!!!
Clean up your mouth. This list is not a haven for gratuitous vulgarity.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
do not archive
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| From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: After Market Crap...FIRE! |
Blumax
I really don't think any of the Kolb-ers need, or want, you superb
advice on just about everything. Esp. with your choice of adjectives.
How 'bout going away?
Most sincerely,
Russ Kinne
On Jun 4, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Blumax008(at)aol.com wrote:
> If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times...get rid of the
> crap. The after market crap everyone & their brother throws on the
> market of any sport appearing anywhere. Keep it simple. Believe me,
> with 30 years experience in the sport behind me, your little Rotax
> or whatever will not know the difference if you've slightly
> miscalculated the mixing procedure or even if you've gotten a bit
> of trash or water in the son of a bitch. That's what the in-line
> filter is designed to do.
>
> I've even run my 503 accidentally with NO oil for 5 gallons with no
> problems...just a little higher than normal temp. Just lose the
> crap like Mr. Funnel and all the rest of the unnecessary bullshit
> that they tell you that you can't live without! Better yet, don't
> buy the crap in the first place. I'd go so far as to tell you to
> lose that expensive stupid ass overpriced parachute that you never
> use. In 30 years I've done some pretty radical crap in ultralights
> & never had to use one. Not to mention the expense of having it
> repacked.
>
> "Don't drink, don't smoke, don't chase women, live an extra two
> years & die anyway!" Greatest bumper sticker I ever saw in my life.
> So what if you're wing falls off...we're all going to die in a few
> years anyway! SAVE YOUR MONEY! Spend it on liquor & women! Live a
> little with the time you've got left! Spend time in the air & not
> on the internet BUYING CRAP YOU'LL NEVER NEED OR USE! Get rid of
> the CRAP!
>
> You old timers like me out there will remember when you could ride
> your bicycle with nothing more on than a pair of cutoffs. If you
> fell off in the gravel & skinned the shit out of your knee it was
> your dumb ass luck & you learned a damn good lesson. Now you've got
> to have these stupid as hell looking crash helmets, special
> bicycling shorts & tops, special gloves & sunglasses, heart rate
> monitors, stopwatches etc. Anyone seen the latest idiots paddling
> Kayaks nowadays? You'd think they were on an around the world
> trip...non-stop!
>
> The most absolutely rediculous example of this was in the Virgin
> Islands when I actually witnessed a SCUBA diver DROWNING under the
> weight of all the crap he was trying to swim with!
>
> DON'T BUY THE CRAP IN THE FIRST PLACE...
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.
>
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| From: | "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
Regarding MV, I would be willing to bet NO ONE came so close to going, but
didn't than me!! As I have mentioned in the past, I am building a shop
(for building airplanes) and a pool and 40 sq yards of RV parking at my new
home in SW Utah. I am almost finished, and the afternnon of the 18th of May
I was busy chasing around town looking for some special shaped flashing for
my roofing crew that was showing up on the 19th to get started roofing my
shop. I finally found the flashing at 5:00 Friday afternoon. After eating
dinner and what-not I didn't finish my flight planning until 11:45 Friday
night. I was whipped!! I then got up at 5:00 am, with intentions on going,
but I was SO tired I couldn't see straight! I do not fly under these
conditions....period. So, as it turns out, I was about as close to making
it as anyone can get, but no ceegar!! And I probably live the closest, for
crying out loud!!!
So, it is with deep appreciation I salute those you that did make it to
Monument Valley! I know many of you really went to a lot more trouble than
I would have to to make it.....and you did!!
I missed an easy opportunity to fly and meet a bunch of you nice people,
and put it off until the last minute, and then couldn't make it. I even
talked to Arty and Pat Ladd (on the phone) and told them I was planning on
making it.
I will be there next year, and I will be flying my plane (Kolb).
Realizing I miissed out big
time, Mike in SW Utah
>From: "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com>
>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
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| From: | "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | Re: English/American |
Not trying to disagree with anyone, or make things any worse, but from
what I saw (read), Pat
simply pointed out the "differences between the US and Great Brittain. I
didn't get the feeling he was trying to show us up at all. In fact, if
anything, I get the impression he felt we here in the US have it a little
easier than they do in GB.
Thanks for the patriotism, Ed, but I wasn't left with the impression that
Pat was "disrespecting"
us. Mike in SW Utah
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| From: | possums <possums(at)bellsouth.net> |
At 10:22 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote:
>
>
>Jim -
>
>You write that you fill your 6 gal. gas can at the gas
>station and add oil, and later run the entire mixture
>through Mr. Funnel. I've been told that the Mr.
>Funnel manufacturer states that it works only with
>gasoline - not with a gas-oil mixture. I can't find
>the source. Anyone have any info about this?
>
>Arty Trost
http://www.mrfunnel.com/Mr.%20Funnel/FAQ.html
Q. Will the filter work on mixed fuel with 2-cycle oil in it?
A. Yes, but if your 2-cycle oil has a detergent base the detergents
can break down molecules of water and some water might pass the
screen. Usually only a drop or two but if you are concerned, filter
the fuel a second time because unless the sump is full of water, it
is not possible that any water passed the filter.
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| Subject: | Firestar for sale |
| From: | "Richard Pike" <richard(at)bcchapel.org> |
A friend of mine is selling his Firestar, I have flown it and it is a nice little
airplane, it has a good running 447 with 300 hours on it. I know the original
builder, he did a good job on it. Somewhere during it's early life it suffered
some leading edge damage on one wing, the L/E tube, and was properly repaired.
It still has the original paint and fabric, has gone through a couple owners prior
to it's present owner, and is presently looking a bit less than sharp, but
I think it needs only cosmetics and being owned by someone who has dope/fabric
skills and wants to take the trouble to spruce it up. If I did not have my MKIII,
I would get it.
Not sure if it can be made part 103 legal, it certainly flies like something that
weighs less than 300 pounds. It does have hydraulic brakes. The BRS chute is
out of currency and needs repacking but is included. It is located about fifteen
miles south west of Johnson City, Tn.
Asking price is $6,500.00
Contact Sherrill Phillips
423-257-3280
423-737-7317
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
PS - tried to post this ad earlier and messed something up. Hope it doesn't end
up getting posted twice... sigh
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
On the 30th of April the CAA issued an exemption,>>
Hi George,
that looks like the same stuff that I was referring to but I [picked it
up from another source.
Incidentally, do you have to have a Noise Certificate in the US.? I bet
you don`t
Pat
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Monument Valley |
NO ONE came so close to going,>>
Hi Mike
Good try. Hard luck. Sounds as though the fact that we only made contact
over the phone was a plus. If I had been able to actually call you wouldn`t
have got even close to going to MV.
I had no idea that when I rang you, beer in hand, from the quiet of a log
cabin in Zion Canyon, that you were rushing round like the proverbial blue
assed fly trying to get ready to fly.
You will have the opportunity to make it next year, take it. . I,
unfortunately will not. Maybe in a couple of years I might make Homers fly
in. Something to look forward to.
Cheers
Pat.
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| From: | Dana Hague <d-m-hague(at)comcast.net> |
At 06:00 AM 6/5/2007, pat ladd wrote:
>
>that looks like the same stuff that I was referring to but I [picked it up
>from another source.
>
>Incidentally, do you have to have a Noise Certificate in the US.? I bet
>you don`t
I'm guessing that your exemption is similar to the "foot launch exemption"
that your PPG and PHG guys have been operating under for years now?
Nope, no noise certificate required here. No minimum altitude, either,
under Part 103 :) ... though an ultralight can't fly over any "congested
area" at ANY altitude.
-Dana
--
--
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other 10 percent look bad.
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| From: | "pat ladd" <pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com> |
'm guessing that your exemption is similar to the "foot launch
exemption"
that your PPG and PHG guys have been operating under for years now?
Nope, no noise certificate required here. No minimum altitude, either,
under Part 103 :) ... though an ultralight can't fly over any "congested
area" at ANY altitude.>>
Hi Dana,
I wouldn`t know about that. I turned my back firmly against any `foot
launching` after breaking my leg hang gliding many years ago. This
Single Seat Deregulation is a whole new ball game for us and as I am not
going to change my Xtra in for a singhle seater I have not been
following the details.
Re noise cert. A new type of plane or new plane /engine combination HAS
to have a noise test carried out.This certification then applies to all
similar set ups. As the new SSDereg. is expected to produce a series of
different planes/combinations a Noise Cert. will have to be issued to
each one. We think our noise levels are difficult to get down to but
the Germans rules are a lot tougher.
We have no lower height limit except the usual `congested area` rule.
Some countries, Holland I think, have maximum height rules, some have
minimum height rules. It is a mess which is gradually being sorted out
now that we are all members of the European Union. (Oh Yeah!)
Basically we operate under exactly the same rules as GA which seems
pretty sensible to me. Why complicate things?
Pat
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| From: | "ropermike" <ropermike2002(at)yahoo.com> |
Thanks for all your advice, well, allmost all of it!....I have decided that I will
buy me another "Mr Funnel" and keep filling the way I'm filling now except
I will make a simple ground wire with three clamps and connect the nozzel handle,
jug, and funnel before I start. I will also have a fire extinguisher handy..........As
for Blumax, I dont appreciate being called a dumbass but I'm not
gonna lose any sleep over it! Since your into bumperstickers, I've got one for
you and it fits you perfectlly! Jesus loves you! But everyone else thinks your
an ASSHOLE!
--------
The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing!...Mike Hillger
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| From: | "David Lucas" <d_a_lucas(at)hotmail.com> |
Re grounding and sparks, I can recall a briefing some years back where the lecturer
told us that when you fill your car at the gas station as you put the nozzle
into the filler point that more often than not a small spark is created as
the two items come together. The saving grace is that; A) the spark is very weak
and B) the fumes in the nozzle area are too rich for the fuel to ignite. Technicaly
speaking each vehicle should be grounded with a ground wire to Earth
and the Pump before refueling starts but from a practical point of view nobody
would do it and the risk is so small it is accepted. Sobering thought eh ?
David.
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| Subject: | Re: After Market Crap...FIRE! |
| From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
Russ says "BlumaxI really don't think any of the Kolb-ers need, or want, you superb
advice on just about everything. Esp. with your choice of adjectives.
How 'bout going away?"
Bluemax, I kinda liked it. [Laughing]
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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| From: | WillUribe(at)aol.com |
_Click here: YouTube - Gas Station Fire With Rescue_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvSr7vyXXo4)
Hi Mike,
Happy to hear no harm was done, unlike the man on this video.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of ropermike
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:07 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: FIRE!!!!!
Hello fellow Kolbers. I read your forum regularly and rarely have anything
to contribute but I want to tell you what happened to me Saturday!
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| From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
I saw a guy pouring from a red plastic gas can into his Minimax and it caught on
fire. The guy had the sense to put the gas cap back on his airplane tank really
fast and no more fire. I was impressed.
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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| From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
RIGHT ON , ROPERMIKE !!
On Jun 5, 2007, at 7:53 AM, ropermike wrote:
>
> Thanks for all your advice, well, allmost all of it!....I have
> decided that I will buy me another "Mr Funnel" and keep filling the
> way I'm filling now except I will make a simple ground wire with
> three clamps and connect the nozzel handle, jug, and funnel before
> I start. I will also have a fire extinguisher handy..........As for
> Blumax, I dont appreciate being called a dumbass but I'm not gonna
> lose any sleep over it! Since your into bumperstickers, I've got
> one for you and it fits you perfectlly! Jesus loves you! But
> everyone else thinks your an ASSHOLE!
>
> --------
> The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and
> losing!...Mike Hillger
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116609#116609
>
>
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| From: | "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> |
Morning Gang:
A few photos of my recent flight to MV2007 and beyond. I'll try to do
a couple a day to give you some idea of the flight.
Steven Green, mkIII, just west of Russellville, AR, where we spent the
night in the FBO, which was opened up for us to use, plus the courtesy
car. In the back ground is a nuclear power plant. Gives one some
idea of how large the plant is compared to an aircraft with a 30 foot
wing span.
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_001.JPG
My early morning flight at MV:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_015.JPG
Got to have an early morning silhouette:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_031.JPG
Lake Powell from a Kolb:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_045.JPG
Interesting rock formations in Southern Utah or Northern Arizona:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_051.JPG
Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah, is rather salty:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_068.JPG
The Kolbra and mkIII resting near the black line, Bonneville:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_070.JPG
John Williamson and the Kolbra on short, short final, McDermott,
Oregon:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_087.JPG
A quick stop off at the Alvord Dessert prior to arrival at the Rock
House:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_098.JPG
Fun flying on the Alvord:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_112.JPG
John W flying the Owyhee River Canyon:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_116.JPG
John W taking off from the Owyhee Reservoir State Airport, Oregon:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_137.JPG
Flying from the Rock House over to Rome, OR, for fuel, auto fuel that
is:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_146.JPG
Fill'er up:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_147.JPG
Ha! I beat the 18 wheeler to the gas pump:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_148.JPG
Three musketeers on the Alvord, John W, Larry C, and Miss P'fer:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_151.JPG
Home of Larry and Karen Cottrell, the Rock House in SE Oregon dessert:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_160.JPG
I theenk I got mooned. Three of the four musketeers, now includes
Roger Hankins, Grants Pass, OR:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_169.JPG
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_172.JPG
Miss P'fer (P fer plane) got fancy with her foot work. Can you figure
it out?
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_177.JPG
Larry and Roger on the Alvord:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_186.JPG
High plains and snow just west of Jack Pot, Nevada:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_197.JPG
Jack Pot airport and the casinos. Catus Pete's owned the RV park and
their casino was right next to the parking pad and gas pump. Had
lunch here in the casino. Was reasonable and excellent:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_198.JPG
Great Salt Lake, UT:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_206.JPG
Walden, Colorado, where I spent the first night on the way home to
Alabama. Condensation from my breath froze on the inside of my tent
that night. Elevation was 8,250 feet ASL:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_220.JPG
Beautiful, peaceful morning in NW Arkansas, my last morning of four on
the way home to Alabama. I departed Neosho, MO, at 0610 that morning,
a record for me and Miss P'fer:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_222.JPG
Rice paddies in Mississippi. This photo was shot for Jim Hefner's
wife who misses trees, water, and rice paddies:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_227.JPG
You know you are getting near home when you cross the mighty
Mississippi. This particular tow is pushing 27 barges. That is a
big'un:
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_229.JPG
Well, I fooled myself and completed the flight in one sitting.
Hope you enjoy looking at the photos as much as I enjoyed my flight.
john h
mkIII
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/5/2007 12:15:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes:
Miss P'fer (P fer plane) got fancy with her foot work. Can you figure
it out?
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_177.JPG
Yeah John, I got it figured. I think! You came forward using the left set
of tracks, made a sharp turn to the right, probably using your right brake to
help. The left wheel continued in a nice arc, while the right wheel stayed
still, even going backwards a foot or two, then all wheels going away and
curving to the right to your final parking position.
Was I right?
Some beautiful pictures you have there. Thanks for sharing.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
----- Original Message -----
From: WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MV2007
In a message dated 6/5/2007 12:15:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com writes:
Miss P'fer (P fer plane) got fancy with her foot work. Can you
figure
it out?
http://home.elmore.rr.com/jhauck/MV2007/%20_177.JPG
Yeah John, I got it figured. I think!
Bill,
Take a close look at the video that I took of John landing and you
see how it is made.
Larry C
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8252079461989792144
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| From: | "Mark Shimei" <mshimei(at)bellsouth.net> |
Thanks to the kind people that have e-mailed me. I am still looking for
someone closer to Florida with a set of Ultrastar wings(or the whole plane
less eng).I have determined that the early firestar wings will be a little
too heavy. Got the chance to talk to Ellery, George Alexander, Tim Cowan,
and Jeremy Casey. What a great bunch of people!! Mark
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| From: | Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net> |
| Subject: | Fly-in to Homer's |
Gentlemen,
Latest update to the list of those going to Homer's on the 16th. I will
be contacting Homer tomorrow with a count.
Again for those flying there:
Co-ordinates: N 40 deg 09' 36.3" Also you can check,
Airnav.com for more information.
W 075 deg 32' 46.6"
John Hauck gave the address for those driving there, so you should be
able to look it up on a mapping program.
"Add your name if it's not listed". Please let me know if you have a
change of plans!
Those that said they are coming:
Gene Zimmerman
John Hauck
Wilmer Zimmerman
John Murr
Earl Zimmerman
Eddy Zimmerman
Luray Weachter
Steve Green
Ron - from Arizona?
Thom Riddle
Bob Bean
Chuck Davis
George Alexander
Bill Varnes
Alan Mancus
Scott Olendorf
Dave Kulp
Dan Walter
Rick Kelbon
Bob Bennethum
John Donato
& Me
Terry - Firefly #95
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| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
olendorf wrote:
> I saw a guy pouring from a red plastic gas can into his Minimax and it caught
on fire. The guy had the sense to put the gas cap back on his airplane tank really
fast and no more fire. I was impressed.
I have never heard of an airplane catching fire because of fueling with plastic
gas cans. Was he doing something strange, or did you see anything that might
have caused this to happen ?
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for MV photos of Drifters departing |
| From: | "JetPilot" <orcabonita(at)hotmail.com> |
Follow this link for the pictures of the out of control drifter:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=27642
There is also a story to read there. It seems strange your friend did not want
the video, it was offered to him. If I had that close a call, I would at least
want a good video for my trouble :)
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| From: | WhiskeyVictor36(at)aol.com |
In a message dated 6/5/2007 11:21:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com writes:
Take a close look at the video that I took of John landing and you see how
it is made
Larry,
Thanks for that video. That's about how I envisioned him doing it, but with
a little bit more Hot Rodding than I thought.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
Do Not Archive
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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| From: | "olendorf" <olendorf(at)gmail.com> |
He was just standing there pouring it in. Plane and pilot were standing on grass.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't using a funnel.
After that I always make sure my spout is in contact with the plane while pouring.
I also keep my body in contact with the plane as well.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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| From: | Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> |
JetPilot wrote:
>
>
> olendorf wrote:
>> I saw a guy pouring from a red plastic gas can into his Minimax and it caught
on fire. The guy had the sense to put the gas cap back on his airplane tank
really fast and no more fire. I was impressed.
>
>
> I have never heard of an airplane catching fire because of fueling with plastic
gas cans. Was he doing something strange, or did you see anything that might
have caused this to happen ?
>
> Mike
Happened to a friend of mine who flies a rotary powered RV-6. I can send
you his email account of what happened, if you like. He stopped the fire
with the same techniques mentioned by others: cap the fuel tank on the
plane & put out the fire in the gas can with an extinguisher.
He won't use auto fuel any more; fuels only from avgas pumps now.
On the other hand, millions of people fuel boats, cars, lawnmowers,
planes, etc from plastic cans every day with no problems.
About a dozen people had car wrecks within 20 miles of each one of us
today. Anyone plan to stop driving? :-)
Charlie
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FIRE!!!!!
>
> JetPilot wrote:
>>
>>
>> olendorf wrote:
>>> I saw a guy pouring from a red plastic gas can into his Minimax and it
>>> caught on fire. The guy had the sense to put the gas cap back on his
>>> airplane tank really fast and no more fire. I was impressed.
The thing to remember is that you should always have a ground when fueling
your plane. If you insist on using a Mr Funnel, the ground should be
connected to each of the componets of the process, if not then you are at
risk. The fluid passing through the plastic openings build up static
electricity. I use a gascolator to prevent water building up in my tanks, I
also draw from the bottom of the fuel tank, so any water in the system will
be passed on to the gascolator. I have not yet ever found any in any of my
tanks. Of course it is so dry here that spitting could be a problem. I
transfer fuel to my plane using a siphon tube from a 5 gal gas can sitting
on the wing. I always make sure that the tube is touching both tanks and so
far have not had any problem. Hopefully this will always be so.
Larry C
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| From: | "Carl Radcliffe" <crad238(at)verizon.net> |
Have been lurking on the list for several years.
I am a 40 some year veteran in chemical manufacturing. It is well
known that the pumping and pouring of a dielectric fluid (non conducting)
can build up tremendous static charges. Great pains are taken to ground all
sections of the system.
Pouring/ pumping such a fluid into a plastic container always entails
some risk.
Grounding of non conductive plastic containers is recommended but not
terribly effective.
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| From: | "Larry Cottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Radcliffe" <crad238(at)verizon.net>
. It is well
> known that the pumping and pouring of a dielectric fluid (non conducting)
> can build up tremendous static charges. Great pains are taken to ground
> all sections of the system.
> Pouring/ pumping such a fluid into a plastic container always entails
> some risk.
> Grounding of non conductive plastic containers is recommended but not
> terribly effective.
Carl,
It is also known that static releases occur when two surfaces containing
a static charge gets close enough for the charge to bridge the gap. It would
also follow that if there was no gap, there should be no release or spark
jump. It is my belief that by its construction and function that the Mr
Funnel causes a bit more of the static buildup than just pouring it into a
plastic gas container, so therefore if one insists on using it he would be
better off making sure that all of the components are at least grounded to
each other. Even if you do not use a Mr Funnel you should endeavor to
maintain contact between the receptacle and pouring spout. Terribly
effective or not.
Larry C
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| From: | russ kinne <kinnepix(at)earthlink.net> |
I've fueled from plastic cans many many times (hi-wing Cessna), in
Canada & when on floats. Never had a problem, thankfully. Only thing
I do, if I can, is hold spout closed with a fingertip until it's in
the tank neck and in contact. Mainly to avoid spilling. 'Cans' are
apparently non-conducting plastic, marked "UL Classified" Some are
'approved by the LAFD'.
On Jun 6, 2007, at 11:32 AM, JetPilot wrote:
>
>
> olendorf wrote:
>> I saw a guy pouring from a red plastic gas can into his Minimax
>> and it caught on fire. The guy had the sense to put the gas cap
>> back on his airplane tank really fast and no more fire. I was
>> impressed.
>
>
> I have never heard of an airplane catching fire because of fueling
> with plastic gas cans. Was he doing something strange, or did you
> see anything that might have caused this to happen ?
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=116877#116877
>
>
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| From: | Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net> |
Dear Clara & Homer,
Thought it might be time to let you know how many are planning on coming
on the 16th. This list does not include some "maybe's" like Dick
Kuntzleman. Looks like a nice big group, but of course there will be
some no show's I'm sure as usual. I figure somewhere between 22 and
24. Looking forward to another fine day visiting you folks and please
do not go too far out of your way to accommodate us! Hoping for good
weather and not have the day spoiled!
Those that said they are coming:
John Hauck
Jim Hauck
Gene Zimmerman
Wilmer Zimmerman
John Murr
Earl Zimmerman
Eddy Zimmerman
Luray Weachter
Steve Green
Ron - from Arizona?
Thom Riddle
Bob Bean
Chuck Davis
George Alexander
Bill Varnes
Alan Mancus
Scott Olendorf
Dave Kulp
Dan Walter
Rick Kelbon
Bob Bennethum
John Donato
John W.
& Me
Terry - Firefly #95
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| From: | "David Kulp" <undoctor(at)rcn.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Re: Fly-in to Homer's |
Does anyone know what time the fly-in starts?
Dave Kulp
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| From: | Terry <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Re: Fly-in to Homer's |
David Kulp wrote:
> Does anyone know what time the fly-in starts?
>
> Dave Kulp
Dave,
There no official time! Come sometime in the morning, not real early,
but make sure your there before lunch. Clara and family is going to
prepare a picnic lunch as usual and that is when introductions are made
and pictures taken. Leave when you have to. Most will depart sometime
in the afternoon. See you there!
Terry - FireFly #95
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| From: | "lcottrell" <lcottrell(at)fmtcblue.com> |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Radcliffe"
. It is well
> known that the pumping and pouring of a dielectric fluid (non conducting)
> can build up tremendous static charges. Great pains are taken to ground
> all sections of the system.
> Pouring/ pumping such a fluid into a plastic container always entails
> some risk.
> Grounding of non conductive plastic containers is recommended but not
> terribly effective.
Carl,
It is also known that static releases occur when two surfaces containing
a static charge gets close enough for the charge to bridge the gap. It would
also follow that if there was no gap, there should be no release or spark
jump. It is my belief that by its construction and function that the Mr
Funnel causes a bit more of the static buildup than just pouring it into a
plastic gas container, so therefore if one insists on using it he would be
better off making sure that all of the components are at least grounded to
each other. Even if you do not use a Mr Funnel you should endeavor to
maintain contact between the receptacle and pouring spout. Terribly
effective or not.
Larry C
I posted this yesterday. It showed up on the regular list where we get each message,
but not on this one. Oh by the way, it was not meant to be nasty, frustrated
perhaps, but definately not nasty.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=117153#117153
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| From: | robert bean <slyck(at)frontiernet.net> |
It was a lot of work but I'm happy with the result. They open wider
than
I have shown here. Excellent entrance quality.
Maybe next year some engine/radiator fairings but not as fancy as
uncle Craig's.
Time now for flying, not fixing.
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